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Chuck Liddell

#19 Light Heavyweight
Former UFC LHW Champ



vs.

Rich Franklin

#13 Light Heavyweight
Former UFC MW Champ

+105 (5DIMES) / 48.8% Best Line -125 (5DIMES/BODOG) / 55.6%
40 Age 35
6'2" Height 6'1"
21 - 7 - 0 Record 26 - 5 - 0, 1 NC
13 / 1 TKO / SUB 14 / 9
The Pit Camp Team Extreme
L - Rua (TKO)
L - Evans (KO)
W - W Silva (UD)

Last 3
L - Belfort (TKO)
W - W Silva (UD)
L - Henderson (SD)

If Mike Goldberg says this is a "fight for the fans", I'm going to stab someone.

The big story heading into this fight is that Chuck Liddell is in shape. This is me not caring.

OK, it's certainly a better sign for Chuck-backers than your typical beer-gutted "Iceman" at the weigh-in, but the problem with Chuck over the past few years has little to do with his conditioning. His three KO losses came within seven minutes of the opening bell. He split two fights that went to a decision, and he didn't seem to gas out in either fight.

You can't train reflexes. Well, you can. You can keep the reflexes you have sharp, but Chuck is past forty. He's lost some of those reflexes and they're not coming back.

I think this fight comes down to one thing: How often can Liddell land a big right hand and turn Franklin's lights off? He hasn't done it in almost four years, and that includes fighting a chinny Keith Jardine and an oft-concussed Wanderlei Silva in 2007.

The Silva fight was Liddell's swan song. Franklin's better days are long behind him as well, but he'll be the more dynamic fighter and should have a better gameplan coming into the fight.

Hey, maybe Chuck does look reinvigorated. Maybe he implements a gameplan that expands on "land a right hand". Maybe maybe maybe. It's hard to teach old dogs new tricks. It'll be a fun sweat, but I like Rich Franklin for two units.

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Mirko "Cro Cop"

#17 Heavyweight
2006 PRIDE OWGP Winner



vs.

Pat Barry

 

+155 (BOOKMAKER) / 39.2% Best Line -170 (BODOG/5DIMES) / 63.0%
35 Age 30
6'2" Height 5'11"
26 - 7 - 2, 1 NC Record 5 - 1 - 0
20 / 3 TKO / SUB 5 / 0
Cro Cop Squad Gym Camp Roofusport Fight Club
W - Perosh (TKO)
L - Dos Santos (SUB)
W - Al-Turk (TKO)
Last 3 W - Hardonk (TKO)
L - Hague (SUB)
W - Evensen (TKO)

Imagine Mirko Cro Cop's career as a scale. Now, let's imagine his opponents as weights for the scale. The better the opposition, the heavier the weight. Using his fights since winning the PRIDE OWGP, we'll put the guys he's beaten on one side and the guys who have beaten him on the other.

You've got one lopsided scale. And when you have to decide between Mostapha Al-Turk and Eddie Sanchez as your most relevant win, you know your career's taken a turn for the worst.

Leading into fights, we hear the same story from Mirko: he's training right this time, he wants to get back on the road to a title shot, he's finally 100% healthy. But when he steps in with someone willing to stand up to him, he wilts. Mirko offered nothing against Junior dos Santos, who did just about whatever he wanted to the Croatian.

Pat Barry likes to remind us that he modeled his game after his UFC 115 opponent. I don't think he's as good as a prime Cro Cop - though the present meta-game in MMA may have something to do with that, but at this point, he's more than capable of chopping down his hero.

Pat Barry is fast. Athletic. Dynamic. All the things that made Cro Cop such a feared fighter in PRIDE. Most of all, he's hungry. Maybe he doesn't enter the cage with this mindset, but once he realizes he's outmatched, Cro Cop looks content to just get through the fight and collect his paycheck.

There's one thing that concerns me with Barry in this fight. In addition to being good kickboxers, there's one thing that Cheick Kongo, Alistair Overeem, and Junior dos Santos all have in common: All three are well above six feet tall (they're all 6'4"+). Pat Barry stands at a squat 5'11" (and may be 5'11" wide). Will this visual give Cro Cop the confidence he's been missing in meaningful bouts?

I took Cro Cop in our staff picks, but if you're using your head, Barry's the right play. Maybe Cro Cop comes out and looks reinvigorated and I can celebrate a vintage performance. But it's more likely he comes out as usual - slow, uninspired, and lazy. You'll be able to tell what kind of Cro Cop you're getting if you watch his feet. If he comes out flat footed and walks straight at Barry, you can be sure he'll be in for a long day. I like Pat Barry for a unit.

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Paulo Thiago

#5 Welterweight


vs.

Martin Kampmann

#11 Welterweight

-230 (5DIMES) / 69.7% Best Line +190 (Consensus) / 34.5%
29 Age 28
5'11" Height 6'0"
13 - 1 - 0 Record 16 - 3 - 0
2 / 8 TKO / SUB 7 / 6
Black House Camp Xtreme Couture
W - Swick (SUB)
W - Volkmann (UD)
L - Fitch (UD)
Last 3 W - Volkmann (SUB)
L - Daley (TKO)
W - Condit (SD)

I slept on Paulo Thiago heading into this bout. I still viewed him as the guy who luckboxed a win against Josh Koscheck (and I think Koscheck takes a rematch like his buddy Jon Fitch), but in reality, he's shown a lot of growth since his UFC debut.

I really liked what I saw in his last fight with Mike Swick. Swick's not a top fighter, and never really had the talent to maintain a top 10 ranking at 170. Still, Thiago owned him at UFC 109. Why? Much improved striking. His footwork looked very clean, using short, quick steps instead of long, deliberate movement. He looked tight when he threw and threw in combination. And when he had Swick on the ropes, he pounced immediately and locked in a tight submission.

I've been a big Martin Kampmann fan for awhile, but this is gonna be a rough fight for him. He's not easy to take down, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Kampmann outpoint Thiago over the course of fifteen minutes. The problem is that Kampmann seemingly has little regard for protecting his face. Whatever you think of the stoppage against Paul Daley (I didn't have a problem live, but I thought it was premature in subsquent viewings), allowing a dangerous striker like Daley to land multiple power shots is the epitome of an apathetic defense.

So, when I first saw Thiago hanging well past -200, I thought Kampmann would be an easy underdog value pick. Maybe he is if you can get him better than +200, but until you see that, I don't like a play.

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Five units on Barry (even), two on Kampmann (220, one on Dunham (+170), one on Rothwell (-170) and a half on MacDonald (-115) GL ALL

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by Postpubescent on Jun 11, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

great stuff Mike

I’m always so proud that I was writing such shitty gambling posts that you felt compelled to step in and show us how it was done.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 11, 2010 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

These are my picks

Franklin
Barry
Thiago

Chuck looks great, I just don’t think his chin is up to snuff.
Time has caught up to Mirko
Thiago via strikes Rd. 1

by JAYGK95 on Jun 11, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree,

and as much as I would like to see Chuck KO Franklin, I don’t think he will do it…

This just makes me wonder how Chuck’s career would’ve gone if he was in shape like this all through out his reign on the top of the LHW division… What if he did this, and came started camp in shape? What if all of his camps were spent learning and refining techniques rather than spending the entire camp trying to get out of party boy shape?

by Anton Tabuena on Jun 11, 2010 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

i find it funny that people seem to think chuck is done cuz he hit forty but randy is no better then him but they named him captain america…..he lost his hunger for the game he can still get it back so relax

by Isaac Audacia Jaz on Jun 11, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

No.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Jun 12, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its more the 3 KO losses than the age...

but don’t actually read what people are saying, just compare age ranges.

Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters

By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters

by Razreshat on Jun 12, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Styles play into it a lot too.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

My only issue with the styles

Is that Chuck is unlikely to be knocked out and still has enough pull to win close decision (if it comes to that). Franklin can only win a decision and has lost to higher profile fighters in razor close decisions (hendo). I just see more ways Chuck can win

"All I guarantee is violence" - Wand

by rockied on Jun 12, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a fair point, but I think Franklin can outvolume/outwork Liddell in a way that he couldn’t do against Henderson or Wandy (a fight he won, to be fair).

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chuck has looked really bad lately, but his last two loses, the worst of his last four, were against top level talent (Rua, Evans). Jardine is awful, but Jackson is quite a great fighter too. At best I’d say he’s a gatekeeper right now, but it’s really hard to say how far gone he is without seeing him against some weaker guys. It’s evident he’s not at the top of the LHW division any longer, but Rua, Evans and Jackson all have serious KO power.

Still think the man is done but I’m not as hasty to consider his career dead. I’m not as familiar with Franklin’s recent fights, but the competition in his last five fights is nowhere near that of Chuck’s (they share Wanderlei). Still I think Chuck’s game is about up and the reason someone like Couture can roll into his late-40s and still face some decent competition is that so little of his game relies on power punching and taking a punch.

by Erasedhead on Jun 11, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

The Rua KO was the worst...

not because Rua doesn’t have KO power, he most obviously does. It’s the worst because he managed to land that blow from several extra steps away and Chuck still didn’t seem to see it til the last second and was completely unable to react in time.

That KO showed, to me at least, that the mileage was finally catching up to him and that the sport was finally moving faster than he could handle…which is scary because it was a rather quick decline.

Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters

By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters

by Razreshat on Jun 12, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

That being said, has Franklin ever lunged at somebody like that before in his career?

Still can’t decide personally who will win, I’m going with Chuck via coin toss. Who ever wins gets fed to Bones in his ppv main even debut.

People do not like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant.

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by The Blackula on Jun 12, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Franklin is a relatively safe opponent for Chuck at this stage.

Rich isn’t going to land some brain chemistry altering blow to increase the damage to Chuck’s brain…and there is a chance that Chuck might just land a KO blow of his own.

Rich will probably out point Chuck, but there is always a chance that Chuck pulls some magic out of his bag.

Frankly, for the sake of Chuck’s health I hope Rich puts on a clinic displaying how slow Chuck’s reaction time has become forcing Liddell to accept the truth.

Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters

By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters

by Razreshat on Jun 12, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

that hey should feed Tito to Jones. With his ego he would probably be tricked into thinking he would win and it’ll be Jones’ first win against a really big name. But the real reason I want to see that is because Tito talks too damn much and hopefully Jones would shatter Tito’s big ass jaw.

by av1o3 on Jun 12, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, Chuck looked awkward and sort of dazed before the fight even started. He moved very slowly and almost too deliberately. Still, I can’t imagine a layoff helping an aging fighter, unless he learned some crazy dance moves.

by Erasedhead on Jun 12, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Chuck 6’2 and looks smaller then Rich when Rich is hunched over and he is 6’1?

Damn Chuck looks great and I am expecting a KO for Chuck or a grinding decision win for Rich Franklin.

by K1Noob on Jun 12, 2010 1:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Could be the perspective of the shot. Chuck might be bending his legs more. Wikipedia might not have the most accurate information.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Chuck isn’t wearing his shoes. But then again the UFC has been known to exaggerate people’s height.

by av1o3 on Jun 12, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

My line is..

Franklin
Thiago
Barry
Rothwell

That line brings the money back x 6.9

Betting in Europe is a little bit different.. And I do it just to have a little extra interest..

by lavis on Jun 12, 2010 3:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow, while I would say that Franklin should be a slight favorite, it is incredible how little credit you are willing to give Chuck, absolutely none, and second, if you are picking Crocop in the staff picks, why would you pick Barry for one unit in your betting column, if you even felt it was 50/50 Crocop would be the value bet, and if not, why would you pick him at all, it doesnt make any sense.

by metaldome on Jun 12, 2010 6:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I will agree with…"If Mike Goldberg says this is a “fight for the fans”, I’m going to stab someone" but I will really laugh if he does. I have to say as much as people have complained about this card (as they do with every one), I think it will be better than any in the last few months, not as far as title or division implications but as far as exciting matches, which is all I really ask for (only time will tell).

by metaldome on Jun 12, 2010 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

“I think Barry’s the right pick, but I’m a sucker for nostalgia.”

The staff picks are for fun. The gambling picks is serious bidness.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

as far as bets go I am going with…

Thiago/Griffin Parlay – $100 to win $105

Liddell/Barry/Thiago/Griffin Parlay – $55 to win $310

by metaldome on Jun 12, 2010 6:21 AM EDT reply actions  

PARLAYS

As long as the title of the article is called gambling spotlight, its worth mentioning that parlays are ALWAYS a bad bet. You always get -EV compared to if you bet on each outcome individually. For more information read this thread:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicapper-think-tank/33268-why-parlays-considered-bad-plays-good-players.html

by jaybot on Jun 12, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not entirely true. If you can get true parlay odds, you’re really just multiplying your Expected Value. It goes both ways though. If you have an edge on two fights, you’ll get a better payoff with the parlay. But if you miscap the fights and the house has an edge on you, your losing more value as well.

That said, I agree that it’s wise to tell novice bettors to stick with straight wagering.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re*

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honest question what book do you use that doesnt take value out of parlays? The only one ive ever had money in (sportsbook.com) took a major cut from any parlay.

by jaybot on Jun 12, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shame to see Chuck carrying on while completely shot. Most dramatic fall since Roy Jones. Chuck looks in great shape, so did Jones.

by sheikybaby on Jun 12, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

How did chuck get a 6 pack?

What did the Ice man do to lose his belly? Not sure how a guy that is 40 changes everything in his life and gets a better body than when he was younger.

by Darren Watkins on Jun 12, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Stops partying/lives healthier.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Franklin’s down to -115 on Bodog.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

When you say "unit"

do you mean betting $150 on a -150 is a unit? Or is betting $100 a unit?

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jun 12, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

A unit is roughly 1-2% of your bankroll, depending on your aggressiveness and risk tolerance. So, a 2 unit play on Rich Franklin using a $100 bankroll would be a $2 bet.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume it’s usually better to wait until the day of the fight to make bets because I got Franklin at -140 a few days ago. I’m new to this.

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jun 12, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends. Pat Barry opened at +160 for instance. Mousasi opened at +200 or something outrageous against Babalu before the fight got canceled and rescheduled. He ended up at something like -200 or -250.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 12, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

My fake $$ parley: Mcdonald-Miranda-Dunham

by moonlapse88 on Jun 12, 2010 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

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