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U.S. Anti-Doping Agency CEO Travis Tygart informed the NSAC on Wednesday that "they could do much better". Will the NSAC ramp up their policies? Photo By Andrew P. Scott, USA TODAY

Yesterday was an interesting day for the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Not only were referees and judges decided upon by the commission for the epic heavyweight tilt between Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin, but the commission continued to jab at the possibility of ramping up their drug testing policy.

In an information gathering session, U.S. Anti-Doping Agency head Travis Tygart was brought in to talk about the limitations of the current NSAC drug testing policy and how it could be improved. As you would have probably guessed, his ideas were met with some defensiveness. Ivan Trembow listened via teleconference, and here's some of the issues and thoughts from that meeting:

Tygart emphasized that you need to have both urine testing and blood testing in order to have a legitimate drug testing system that can detect various different kinds of banned substances.

The line of questioning by the NSAC's commissioners seemed to be trying to focus on the limits of blood testing and the things that it can't detect (ie, defending the status quo of Nevada's urine-only testing), but Tygart kept emphasizing that if you only have one or the other (only urine testing or only blood testing), you're missing out on detecting entire groups of banned substances.

Tygart added that even if the NSAC were to give itself the authority to order blood tests on fighters and then rarely use that authority, that would still be a big step in the right direction. Tygart said that just the fact that the NSAC would have the authority to order blood tests would act as a deterrent to cheaters, and it would be up to the NSAC to decide how frequently or infrequently these blood tests would be ordered.

Another point that Tygart made is that when a fighter is ordered to take an out-of-competition drug test under the NSAC's current system and the fighter has 24 or 48 hours to submit a urine sample from the time when they are notified, that is plenty of time for any drug-savvy fighter to beat a drug test. Under WADA and USADA standards, athletes must either submit to a drug test immediately, or the athlete must not leave the sight of the inspector until the athlete has submitted a sample.

The NSAC's commissioners appear to be getting a bit defensive, as Commissioner Avansino defensively told Tygart, "We at the Nevada State Athletic Commission have been devoted to random drug testing for years!"

Travis Tygart referred to "the money excuse" and said to the NSAC commissioners (paraphrasing), "The money is there. You just have to decide how you want to prioritize it. You could take one dollar or one percent from every PPV buy of the Mayweather/Mosley fight and that could fund your drug program for the next five years."

To be perfectly honest, this is the type of back-and-forth banter you've probably heard at a place of employment. Something you've done in the past is being scrutinized, and the conclusion is that it is far from adequate. While 95% of the population would feel threatened, the commission's sole purpose is to promote fighter safety and regulate the sport. There isn't room for defensive reactions to someone stating facts.

Tygart has been a very loud figure against the state athletic commission's agenda of stating their programs are sufficient enough to catch fighters. In interviews earlier this year, he talked about how commission testing is a joke and even went into detail about how fighters could submit fake samples with as little as ten minutes notice. I suppose I could say that bringing Tygart in for an information-gathering session is a step in the right direction, but the notion that he was met with resistance is baffling.

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Tygart's suggestion to take one dollar from every pay-per-view that is promoted within the state is a plan that can work. Even if the UFC decides that they don't want to take profits from their existing pay-per-view rate, adding one dollar to a forty-five dollar pay-per-view isn't going to shun away droves of UFC fans. The commission would also be able to limit the added dollar to only a few events a year as the revenue would be more than enough to fund a better program.

The fact of the matter is that Tygart's suggestions will either deter fighters or catch more fighters. Twenty-four to forty-eight hours urine sample submissions are inexcusable, and they need to be immediate upon request. Blood testing must be an option, and use of newly-created EPO urine testing needs to be implemented. Cheaters have likely found ways to circumvent these tests, but the NSAC can't simply look away at the situation as their testing policy enters ancient times. They need to up the ante.

I've grown rather tired of the NSAC's responses, and perhaps my reaction is premature -- but these meetings give off the perception that the NSAC isn't looking to progressively move into a new age of "promoting fighter safety". I won't bash the commission for their conduct at events. They are there to protect fighters, and they do that. But before fights and after fights, the commission needs to have stricter drug testing policies that conform with the modern era, not ten years ago.

Would you pay an extra dollar per pay-per-view that resides in the state of Nevada to see a more extensive drug testing program put together? It would include both urine and blood testing along with more random testing without any notice. It would also include EPO testing via the new test on the market. Is that something that you would pay that extra dollar to see become a reality?

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by Kneeeeee on Jun 10, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

So…are you gonna rec him? He is at 0 recs at the time of this writing.

by dv8shun on Jun 10, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Kneeeeee on Jun 10, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO

The MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL and LPGA should all lift their bans on steriod testing.

This is entertainment.

by JAYGK95 on Jun 10, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

Wouldn’t be surprised someone got that Def Comedy reference/Chris Tucker, but I am surprised the 1st comment someone called it. Good job Kneeeeee

by D241 on Jun 10, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And on June 10, the year of our lord 2010 leland brought forth a shit storm

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by II SMASH II on Jun 10, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

1a. GSP steriod accusations

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by DayGeaux on Jun 10, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Luke’s doctor said so…!

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by Kid Nate on Jun 10, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I would not pay an extra dollar

Because I do not believe that money, even if earmarked for better drug testing, would be used efficiently and effectively by the NSAC. Would they use it for only UFC fighters then? Or for all sporting events that they reside over?

by soxrule!35 on Jun 10, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m going to assume it would be used to test for all events in the state. The problem is that I’m sure the UFC would either receive less testing or more testing depending on how the NSAC sees their relationship with them. I’m going to go a step further and assume that relationship is good because of the revenues they bring, which may mean some shady dealings for some testing not to happen. But that’s speculation.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 10, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right

Way too much room for a conflict of interest here.

by soxrule!35 on Jun 10, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

if there is Olympic testing there will be way few 40 year old main eventers.

IMHO. I mean it is totally reasonable to think some one puts on more lean muscle mass then they have had in their life @ 40+ years. Old…….. but I just see it happening a lot less with Olympic testing. Which I would not want if I was the nsac. Steroids add years to the back side of careers. That’s when pay days are biggest . Nsac gets a piece of the action from shows. Its counter productive to have testing that is so much harder to beat.

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by Rayce. on Jun 10, 2010 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’d pay a dollar extra to scrap testing alltogether

by kanodogg on Jun 10, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I am real cheap, but I might pay a dollar for that, more likely I will just keep my dollar though.

by Kefka on Jun 10, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Asking the wrong crowd

It would seem most people here don’t buy the PPVs as is considering all the people asking for streams and complaining when their stream dies etc.

by Goonisis on Jun 10, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

so I’m in the UK and I have ESPN. I also download the event. The reason being is that it airs at 3am, I dont have a dvr and I just cant wait or avoid BE until 10 pm the next day to watch the re-airing. Is that wrong? Opinions? ;)

by Danthemmaman on Jun 10, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you watch re-airing so you can catchup on the commercials that you missed?

by truck on Jun 10, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't somebody ask...

If fans would be willing to pay an extra dollar for fighter health benefits too?

This can’t all fall on the fans. The State and the promoters are making money off the events… They should have to deal with these things.

Will I stop buy PPVs if the price goes up two bucks? No.
Should I have to pay one or two bucks extra? No.

Charging PPV buyers doesn’t make a lot of sense either…

PPVs pretty much mall soley on the UFC, the drug testing should cover all promotions.

by truck on Jun 10, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

No, they don’t.

Tygart specifically said $1 from each PPV on some of the most recent boxing PPV’s would fund the program for five straight years… on one pay-per-view. It isn’t all on the UFC. It’s on any combative sports PPV in the state.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 10, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, they don’t

No who doesn’t what? I asked a few questions…

by truck on Jun 10, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

As far as the increase goes?

Would I pay it? Should I have to pay it? Nope.

A PPV fighting event brings millions of dollars to the state.
A PPV fighting event brings millions of dollars to the promoter and to the fighter.
A PPV fighting event takes money out of the fans pockets.

Drug testing is a cost of doing business make the people that are profitting pay…

I suppose the obvious problem with that would be promoters taking their shows elsewhere if they had to pay a dollar per buy, but with all the money being made on both ends they should have to open their wallets first.

by truck on Jun 10, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

One dollar to a PPV is nothing.

Even the most die-hard combat sport buyer will spend under $20 in the whole year, and it’s done to clean up the sport. Factor in passing this cost along to Hooters and Buffalo Wild Wings as well, there’s a huge influx of revenue to the state that will provide for high level drug testing and clean up the sport.

If promoters want to start nickel and diming fans for profit then it’s reasonable to take a stand. But you digging your heels in over one dollar to improve the quality of the product is inane.

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by pdl on Jun 10, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fail to see how drug testing would improve the quality of the product

I liked watching baseball a lot more when everyone was juicing and there was 5 HR’s a game. Sure, it would be nice if everyone was forced to be on a level playing field with stronger drug testing, but saying that it will improve the quality of the fights doesn’t make sense to me.

by soxrule!35 on Jun 10, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Less cheating is an improvement in quality.

The other thing to consider is the use of greater testing in media. Can’t you hear Dana doing an interview saying “Look, this is going to be the biggest sport in the world because it’s real competition. You see the drug testing in the NFL? It’s a fuckin’ joke compared to what we do. We have random piss tests that these guys can’t just wrangle their way out of. The Olympics aren’t even this strict. We keep the sport clean better than any of those other fuckers. Those are just contests between fuckin’ doctors.”

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by pdl on Jun 10, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is it an improvement? I don’t watch baseball or team sports, but having more home runs because people use phd’s sounds better to me. And some of the drug testing rules are just absurd like the ban on THC.

by Kefka on Jun 10, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You were fooled...

Baseball was never entertaining…

by truck on Jun 10, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

i nominate this for comment of the decade.

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by truck on Jun 10, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot Kyle Farnsworth.

His blast double leg on Paul Wilson was great, and his GNP from the guard is absolutely savage.

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by pdl on Jun 10, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to have to check that out. I don’t really watch baseball. These were the first images that poped up in google when I typed baseball fight

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by DayGeaux on Jun 10, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

re: Farnsworth.

Probably the only GOOD thing he’s done in baseball as he sucked heavily when he played for the Cubs.

by JAYGK95 on Jun 10, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is that drug testing policy which includes random testing in regular intervals and blood testing is a very high cost. It isn’t cheap by any means, and I’m sure the state itself wants to make some profit from the commission’s activities as well. After all, that’s what many commissions are around to do… provide some infusion of revenue into the budget.

Pay-per-views bring a percentage of the live gate to the commission along with licensing fees, etc., but imagine taking a large chunk of that and running a drug testing policy that’s being suggested. I think they could make a case that the money would be needed, to be perfectly honest.

But there is obviously political battles to be won if we wanted the commission and the state to open up their wallets. And that’s a losing battle. They’ll look for anyway to generate the money first and foremost, and this is a solution. Albeit, it’s probably not a great one.

Honestly, I think the NSAC could stab only two or three pay-per-views a year with the fee, but that’d be unfair. I think it would almost work out if they took .25 to .50 cents per pay-per-view versus a dollar. That way, it could be spread out over multiple events while barely affecting the price, if at all. It depends on how Golden Boy or the UFC views the required take.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 10, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NSAC is probably worried that what they make off ppv might not offset what they lose from Golden Boy and UFC moving their shows out of town to keep fighters away from the new testing procedures.

by John Nash on Jun 10, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is where it gets interesting to me.
It depends on how Golden Boy or the UFC views the required take.

Dana White wears many hats. He’s a ruthless profiteer, but also a die hard fan. We’ve seen those conflict before, such as the Fedor negotiations, where the fanboy was willing to throw money out the window because he was so excited.

When it comes to drug testing, what Dana White would we see? The fan who wants strict drug testing, or the promoter who doesn’t want his prices controlled by the state and stars getting busted. Even if Lorenzo and Mersch are more likely to be the players in this, Dana’s voice will be the one heard. I can’t wait to see where it lands.

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by pdl on Jun 10, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I can't wait for

Is when the UFC turns the drug tests into a promotional tool as they did with the weigh-ins.

If some people have stage fright now, try pissing when it’s being live-streamed to a bunch of fanboys.

by John Nash on Jun 10, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That brings a whole new meaning to Live Stream.

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by Kneeeeee on Jun 10, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

An interesting angle is Dana White using it to promote the sport as cleaner than many of the other mainstream sports, especially if the NSAC becomes rather aggressive in randomly testing fighters. Sure, it hurts his profits if a myriad of stars test positive, but I wonder if it helps him in the eyes of major networks and advertisers.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 10, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sort of hope that they turn towards that direction after they get sanctioning in NY and maybe toronto.

It’s an easy way to score brownie points with the public (and will do lots of good for the sport). But I don’t know if they should be trying to force the athletic commissions to change things while they are still trying to get other athletic commissions to just buy in.

by Phildo on Jun 10, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i couldent care less to who is and i sent doing ped’s….

by sundin4prez on Jun 10, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t feel strongly one way or the other about whether fighters should be allowed to take PEDs, but I feel very strongly that a half enforced rule is wrong. If PEDs are against the rules, I would happily pay $1 to see that the rule doesn’t just effect the honest.

by rask4p on Jun 10, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I think they could get their money without charging the fans extra. There is already plenty of money pouring into the big fights in the fight business for them to fund it.

by JeremyShane on Jun 10, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I think a more realistic scenario is that the NSAC takes .25 cents or possibly less. As Tygart said, $1 off a Mayweather pay-per-view could have funded the program for five years alone. The NSAC can’t just poach selected pay-per-views. It would keep promotions out of town. A very small take off the PPV buy would be ideal.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 10, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem I have is

that means that a few companies are funding it for everyone else.

I can see a small fee on ALL tickets to ALL shows, but not for PPV.

by Lynchman on Jun 10, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, what else does the NSAC sanction or regulate? I suppose those should probably be under the gun as well in all of this.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 10, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I’d rather they take a smaller even amount from everyone. But my point was: the industry is making more than enough money right now to not have to pass that cost on to the fans. (Which is the way the poll question was phrased)

by JeremyShane on Jun 10, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure what “industry” entails. The commission? I doubt the commissions is making enough to fund an extensive program that is suggested. New EPO tests were discussed as being $400-$500 a pop. Add in blood testing, which is very expensive, and add in travel expenses for agents of the commission to perform random testing, fees to process those results, etc.

Right now, they barely do one random test every 3 or 4 events.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 10, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was referring to what the UFC and Boxing already makes; charge a small amount of small shows for small promotions and a slightly bigger cut for the larger deals like UFC. So everyone pays a little at least. But I certainly dont’ see why I’d need to pay another dollar on a fifty dollar UFC PPV for better testing.

by JeremyShane on Jun 10, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only sports fan who isn’t beyond beyond tired of the steroids/drug testing talk? Any time sports are played for money people use drugs, and many athletes enjoy rec drugs and pain killers. Why no one is willing to except this reality is incredible tiring. I am not saying shame on the author. Its what people are talking about so it needs to be covered. But I am looking forward to the day when no one cares.

by MattTil on Jun 10, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s not going to go away for a while because it is a problem that was horribly botched from the beginning.

If people would have reacted differently when they found the andro in mark mcgwire’s locker maybe things would have been cleaned up by no, or at least the arguments would be clearer.

The problem has been festering for years and there are people getting unnecessarily upset about transgressions from the past, and that’s bad because the outrage is wasted and putting people off of the problems of the present and the future.

by Phildo on Jun 10, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The andro thing happened 12 years ago. Three presidents ago. SI ran the cover the “Steroids in baseball” cover story eight years ago. They had hearings in congress when the Canseco book came out, five years ago. The bull has been grabbed by the horns for a long ass time. But my issue is with sports fan still being interested in this, and ESPN and other sports outlets (like bloody elbow) getting traffic/ratings for having stories about steroids. I don’t get it.

by MattTil on Jun 10, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re only still interested because of the nonsense that should have been nipped in the butt 12 years ago.

Every year they have to talk about McGwire going into the hall of fame until the writers get the sand out of their panties and put him in. Every once in a while another 1 of the 104 people on that list is going be be leaked and that 1 person will be crucified (unless they are currently on the red sox) while the rest of the list skates.

The media keeps the story going because they can. It’s not a coincidence that the source of all of these problems is the media, they need to wrap it up so people can move on, because they’re coming close to burning everyone out on the subject and letting chaos happen.

by Phildo on Jun 10, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with everything you said for the most part. I am 26 years old and I can never remember a topic in the news/sports news that had legs like the steroid issue. To each their own, but I am flabbergasted that people still care.

But on McGuire getting into the hall, in my opinon eventually everyone is going to come to the reality that enough sports stars used PEDs in the 70s-00s that no individual should be shunned for using PEDs, and that’s when he’ll get in. I don’t know when that happens. Every time a big name admits he used PEDs or gets convicted in the court of public opinon I hope that we’re ready to slap a sticker of mystery on every pro sports star of the 70s-90s. That day will come but I am guessing a few more names need to get busted before we’re ready. I am really interested to see how this issue evolves if it is ever revealed that a certain bike rider used PEDs. I think that will force a lot of people to turn the corner.

by MattTil on Jun 10, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine Dana's reaction

if a percentage of his PPV gross was going to fund the drug testing of Strikeforce fighters. I’m sure he’d be cool with that. ;-)

by soxrule!35 on Jun 10, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Tygart always makes it sound so easy. First off, USADA and WADA testing is definitely more stringent than the state athletic commissions, but it hasn’t exactly ended PED use (not even close). The effect of a better testing system is that we’ll get more sophisticated PED users. That doesn’t mean we should avoid better testing regimes, but we should be honest from the outset and acknowledge that WADA testing doesn’t end PED use.

Second, notice that fighters who get busted are doing really stupid things… like taking Deca, which can be detected up to 18 months after use. Of the MMA fighters who test positive, a large number are taking Deca. Better testing probably increases fighter safety not by preventing PED use but instead by making them be more intelligent about their PED use (like, for instance, actually having some knowledge about what they’re putting in their bodies).

Also, Tygart doesn’t seem to take into account issues of jurisdiction. I’m sure NSAC or any other AC could require licensed fighters to submit to tests any time, any where (well, within reason). But it’s not terribly practical. A more practical approach – which has its own difficulties – is to have state ACs coordinate their anti-doping programs, so that NJSAC can test Frankie Edgar when he’s training at home in Jersey to prepare for a fight in Las Vegas.

by mma_critic on Jun 10, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Tygart always makes it sound so easy. First off, USADA and WADA testing is definitely more stringent than the state athletic commissions, but it hasn’t exactly ended PED use (not even close). The effect of a better testing system is that we’ll get more sophisticated PED users. That doesn’t mean we should avoid better testing regimes, but we should be honest from the outset and acknowledge that WADA testing doesn’t end PED use.

Fighter income becomes a problem in that scenario. Fighters aren’t making millions like MLB and NFL players, and I imagine we’d see more paranoia about getting busted if these testing practices came into play. Sophisticated use takes more money, and I think we’d see a decline.

Second, notice that fighters who get busted are doing really stupid things… like taking Deca, which can be detected up to 18 months after use. Of the MMA fighters who test positive, a large number are taking Deca. Better testing probably increases fighter safety not by preventing PED use but instead by making them be more intelligent about their PED use (like, for instance, actually having some knowledge about what they’re putting in their bodies).

It doesn’t mean there aren’t athletes out there now circumventing tests by simply using steroids only detectable through blood testing. NSAC actually gives notice of urine testing, which is just dumb.

Also, Tygart doesn’t seem to take into account issues of jurisdiction. I’m sure NSAC or any other AC could require licensed fighters to submit to tests any time, any where (well, within reason). But it’s not terribly practical. A more practical approach – which has its own difficulties – is to have state ACs coordinate their anti-doping programs, so that NJSAC can test Frankie Edgar when he’s training at home in Jersey to prepare for a fight in Las Vegas.

Sure, this would be ideal to curb expenses of sending guys around the country on the Nevada commission’s buck. Join the commissions in a coalition would work great.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 10, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on the above, the question should be would you pay $1 extra on one PPV in each five year period? Yes, I would – that $0.20 per year, or about $0.01 per PPV, which would not be noticed. “$44.96 for this one? Forget it, man, that’s a penny too far – $44.95 or nothing!”

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by outlander78 on Jun 10, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Whatever is done should be done at least at the national level. It would be nice for the ABC to work out a way for all the states to get together (to cut down costs and be more effective) to do all of this testing. People have brought up problems with people avoiding one state if they are the only state that is doing it.

A problem with just taxing PPV buys is that the people putting in the most money to get it done for everyone are also the people potentially taking the biggest risks (UFC and Golden Boy will be hurt more by a positive test than smaller shows)

Why not solicit donations/sponsorship for the thing? Have a clean supplement company or any other company involved in teh sport to fork up a bunch of cash and let it be known that they are pushing to make sure the sport is clean and the fighters are safe.

by Phildo on Jun 10, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

The UFC and Golden Boy certainly have more risk in the public eye, but I imagine smaller shows will be highly affected. CSAC used to have a lot of narcotic-related positives from smaller shows, and in theory — those positives deter the next generation of fighters to an extent.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 10, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO

Steroids and PEDs are a slippery slope with some hellacious shit at the bottom—fighters pushing their physiology to the limits and all kinds of unintended consequences, side effects, black-eye news stories, etc. I’ve got no interest in the Ultimate Roid-Fest-Pharma-Fighter Championship.

I would totally be for the extra dollar to go towards testing, but my guess is that they could scrape that out of the current $44 I’m giving them, and that extra dollar would get absorbed by some bullshit committee and put towards nicer hotel rooms for commissioners.

by judonerd on Jun 10, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I would pay a dollar if they agreed to do NO drug testing. I will never understand why people want their fighters and sports stars clean. I want to see the biggest strongest motherfuckers possible, let them use all the roids they want.

by thenutman69321 on Jun 10, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed!!!!!!!!

Who gives a shit what these people do in their own personal time. If they want to do recreational drugs or even roids. That need to be up to an individual.

None of our business.

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by aaronb on Jun 10, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Test

It’s like the border in Cali. In san diego here there is fences and gaurds but if you drive out an hour or so it’s open desert. This gives you the illusion like the Man cares. Same with testing…everyone including probably even the commish knows these guys are juicing but they have to give the illusion like people are trying to do something about it. The end result of no PED’s would be fighters probably fighting half as often or something. LET IT BE! The system is working!

by derreckla on Jun 10, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

i'd rather have those assholes die from steroid use

then pay another fucking cent for my ppv’s. they used, they deal with the consequences, end of story. once people start dying horrible deaths (a la pro wrestling) people will take notice. no sympathy for any of them

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by glassjawsh on Jun 10, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

What a great idea. A bunch of steroid related deaths! That would really get the ball rolling on regulation in NY, Canada, and Germany! Great Idea!

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by DayGeaux on Jun 10, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Yes! Die!Die!Die! I have everything and you got nothing!

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it's the only good fight there is."

by dancingChicken on Jun 10, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

To say the playing feild is level is a joke

What will adding more drug test help? Is there hard data that shows adding more testing would stop cheating? If a guy wants to cheat they will find a way around the test. Have a standardized testing for all know PED’s and have true random drug test with out any notice. Make the fighter provide the sample and all cost on the fighter/ufc. It is not the fans responsibility to pay for their test. Why does the fan have to pay to keep the sport clean? The fighters should be calling for stronger testing to prove to us that they are clean if this is such a problem.

by Darren Watkins on Jun 10, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I think they should have two separate leagues.

One for sterioids where guys can get as big as they want cut no weight and rip each others heads off and one where guys can fight clean have weight classes and ripping off heads wouldnt be against the rules.

by K1Noob on Jun 10, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

One for sterioids where guys can get as big as they want cut no weight

PRIDE Open Weight GP?

by truck on Jun 10, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The question is silly...

Why should I as a fan pay a surcharge to help the promoter prove that the fights he’s putting on are legitimate? That’s his problem. The promoter is there to cater to the fans, not the other way around.

by Limelight on Jun 10, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Test them

This argument I am reading about skipping all testing because guys will find a way to cheat is plain stupid. No plan is going to end all PED use but better testing will certainly curb some of it’s practice. Nothing is going to end crime either, but you idiots lock your door at night.

by bignerd on Jun 10, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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