UFC 113 Post-Fight: Dana White Says Paul Daley and Kimbo Slice Are "Done" in the UFC
by Anton Tabuena on May 9, 2010 4:04 AM EDT
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On the post-fight press conference, Dana White said that Kimbo Slice (4-2, 1-1 UFC) and Paul Daley (23-9-2, 2-1 UFC) are both getting cut following their showing at UFC 113, one for a bad performance in the fight, and the other for his poor decision making after.
Kimbo's turned in a poor showing and succumbed to a second round TKO loss to former NFL player, Matt Mitrione (2-0), leading the UFC president to say that the former YouTube star's UFC run is over:
"Kimbo is done. We're going to cut him."
Daley on the other hand, after months of trash talking between the two, lost a decision to Josh Koscheck, then threw a cheap shot after the final bell rang. Dana White, obviously angered at the situation, said Daley will never fight in the UFC again:
"[Paul Daley] He’s done. I don’t give a sh*t if he’s the best 170-pounder in the world. He’ll never come back here again. I don’t care if he fights in every show all over the world and becomes the best and everybody thinks he’s the pound-for-pound best in the world. He will never fight in the UFC ever again."
"There’s no excuse for that. These guys are professional athletes. You don’t ever hit a guy blatantly after the bell like that whether you’re frustrated or not. It was probably one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen."
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Daley’s excuse was that he didn’t hear the bell, straight from Dana White.
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haha that’s a pathetic excuse, Daley almost had to shove Dan out of the way to get to Kos
by MikeD32 on May 9, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Comparing to the fake injury from the knee this is nothing. Double standard at it’s finest! Dana should Koscheck as well!
Knees to the ground and fighting after the bell are both fouls
I don’t blame Kos for playing it up, the blame goes to Daley for attempting to blatantly cheat.
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Here's the thing
why would Daley intentionally throw that knee when Kos was down knowing that it’s illegal and could at best get a point taken away and at worst get him DQ’d if it actually landed and Kos couldn’t continue? I guess with the sucker punch he must of honestly figured he’d be able to get away with it at least as far as keeping his career as a UFC fighter, but the knee was so blatant I don’t know how he’d figure he’d get away with it.
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thats a bs excuse
Even if he didnt, mirg was breaking them up and holding back daley the whole time before he ran in and sucker punched him
Daley’s excuse was that he didn’t hear the bell
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im sorry to hear that....
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by mma is #1 on May 9, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
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by Brian Mayes on May 9, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wish this weren't someone's fetish...
… but it is.
HAHAHA
so he thought Koscheck just let him go
?
by GoldenSt8OfMind on May 9, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Dana is too hotheaded
I’m sorry but professional athletes do this all the time (most recently, Kevin Garnett).
As for Kimbo, give him one more fight on a Fight Night to get that ratings/money. Dude is 1-1. Al-Turk went 0-3 before getting cut.
I think theres a very large difference between a scuffle in team sports, and a fight in combat sports. These guys are trained to hurt people, and flat out attacking someone is dangerous. I think a strong stance like Dana has taken is the best way to combat incidents like this.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
What strong stance?
He laughed about Nate and Jake pummeling Mayhem…
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Also
Rehiring Yvel and Baroni…
Dana is batshit random in his decision making on these sort of things.
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by Chris Barton on May 9, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please
Enlighten me. I’m hear to learn and discuss, not to have people make snide comments.
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This,
“Dana is batshit random in his decision making on these sort of things.”
If you think Dana isn’t makes analytical decisions when he aquires people like Yvel and Baroni and when he releases other people, then you haven’t been paying attention.
You haven’t been paying attention to his actions over the last decade plus, especially in regards to rival promotions.
I’m curious what you find analytical about it.
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He acquiring talent...
to deny it to his competition and releasing fighters after their value has been used up.
The decision show a degree of analysis in determining who to get, who not to, who to release, and who to hold on too.
Your statement indicates some sort of lack of thought in the process, but the opposite is both more likely based on historical precedence as well as the evidence.
He isn’t denying talent to competition by cutting Daley. His value has certainly not been used up. Which is why I don’t really buy the analysis bit. Did Gilbert really have any value to Strikeforce? Baroni?
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Gilbert and Baroni definitely had value to SF.
SF lacks depth across the board and denying them either recognizable fighters (Baroni) or capable fighters (Gilbert), especially at HW…is a definite strategic move.
And Daley, while out of context still has value, given the context of the Nashville brawl and Dana’s comments, I think Daley’s value is heavily damaged.
I think that’s a really political opinion on those fighters. I love Baroni, but all he was known for in Strikeforce was getting beat up. If that was Danas reasoning he wouldn’t let the fighters walk that he does. Werdum, etc.
I totally disagree about Daley. If anything I think he gained fans due to the Koscheck hate most people have.
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Sigh...
I give up. You are right…the most successful promoter in MMA, a guy running a billion dollar company, etc…is just randomly acquiring and releasing fighters based on…who knows.
by Razreshat on May 9, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alright
I think you’re missing my point and we’re arguing past each other. I don’t think Dana had no reasoning in picking up those guys, I’m saying it makes his decision making on cutting or picking up people due to bad behavior random.
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Dana is very inconsistent in his position on this stuff
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
by judonerd on May 9, 2010 9:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dana is inconsistent on pretty much everything he says
hyperbole is his favorite word
Not really – the common denominator is whether it happens in the UFC.
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 9, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Baroni
Attacked a ref in the UFC.
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Really? Which fight?
And was it long-ago enough to have lapsed from public consciousness, thus giving Dana an out?
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 9, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 9, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well, Nate did that in Strikeforce, as said. And who’s to say Dana didn’t talk to him? I don’t know, but there were multiple parties involved, and for Dana to just punish Nate for that would be walking a fine line. Yvel has had his shit under control as of late, and if Baroni didn’t clock the guy he KO’ed in England’s brother who ran at him, I think we don’t need to worry about him hitting an official anymore.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand
But it’s inconsistent. The thing that makes it most inconsistent is the “banned for life” portion of this cut.
Dana may have talked to Nate, but that’s wholly different than cutting him “for life”. In addition, Dana was laughing about the incident with Nate. While he can say, “Well it was in Strikeforce” that doesn’t make it an utterly hypocritical stance.
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When you say “laughing abut the incident with Nate”…are you referring to the smiley? Because thats very ambiguous.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
danawhite@OGVegasBatman maybe mayhem will stay in his fucking seat next time! Lol
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I have a funny feeling that Dana wasn’t so nice to Nate if they spoke. It’s all a lot of if’s though. In the end, inconsistent or not, maybe it’s a sign of things to come, and I’m glad Daley was cut for his actions. What Nate did wasn’t quite as blatant as Daley’s sucker punch. Heck, it’s pretty hard to top, although, there’s been a few incidents, as you’ve pointed out.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That's really my issue
Not that Daley got cut, if that’s the policy then fine. I don’t have much of a problem, although I think a suspension is a more fitting punishment, because being cut in the UFC isn’t usually permanent. This time, Dana claims it is.
Dana only has a strong hand when it suits him and it makes the thing to inconstant to support or rationalize.
What Paul did was totally unacceptable, not matter what Kos did or said to him.
That said, I think punishment for blatant cheating during an MMA contest should be punished far more severely.
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Daley did throw an illegal knee though… even though it didn’t land, it was still a foul if he intended to hit Kos, isn’t it?
yep, it is still a foul even if it didn't land...
but still, Kos has good acting skills. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on May 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Dana is a hypocrite
he probably high fived Nate
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah!
Dana is a hypocrite! so let’s assume and make up stuff of what he might have done to make everything look even worse!
by Anton Tabuena on May 9, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The reason Dailey is getting cut is because Dana would look like an idiot if he didn’t after running his mouth about Strikeforce for 2 weeks. If he had just made a simple comment and moved on Dailey would probably still be in the UFC all be it with some form of punishment..
As with most things in the UFC these days it is more about Dana than it is about the fighter.
and
how was it less blatant? HE KICKED A MAN IN THE HEAD WHILE HIS BROTHER LAID ON HIM ON THE GROUND????
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not. They should be punished equally. It is not a fair world indeed. Dana is only concerned of what happens in the UFC or how the UFC looks. Daley just shitted on the UFC with that punch. Nate shitted on Strikeforce and hasn’t gotten hardly any heat being associated with the UFC.
Same thing with how Tito a major star of the UFC domestic abuse would get him cut while Anthony Johnson’s did not warrant as big of a deal.
This. Dana is hypocritical, greedy and morally inconsistent. He is not, however, unpredictable or logically inconsistent, and his actions tonight fit in with his persona entirely.
by Lordjimbo2 on May 9, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, SF happened in a country and state that sanctions MMA. Daley hit Kos in a province that does not sanction MMA yet, but allows exceptions, and in a country where no other province sanctions MMA either.
Canadians, per capita, buy the most PPVs. Dana really wants in. Daley wasn’t helping, and embarrassed his boss.
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
You fail to realize though ...
That the Canadians don’t care for Koscheck.. So the sucker punch doesn’t hurt the UFC or it’s ability too gain a foot hold in the Canadian market..
If he cuts Daley.. Then he should have a moral obligation to cut Nate all the same. Neither events were acceptable. Kos admitted to “egging him on with words during the final minute.”
Daley ley his emotions get the best of him.. No different than when the DIaz brothers jumped Miller.. You can’t pick and choose what’s acceptable and whats not by the same definition..
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The fans opinion of Koscheck is not the issue. It is the politicians fear of the reprisals from the non-fans, who use such incidents as ammunition. If they don’t want to legalize MMA, all they have to do is show the SF incident, the UFC one, and then run the clip of “these things happen in MMA”. This is incredibly damaging when you are dealing with the people currently in power in Ontario.
Also, don’t confuse Montreal fans with Canadians in general. Quebec is a distinct society (they even got that written into law). Hell, I’ve been on airplanes in Quebec where a late boarder was boo’d.
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Incorrect
Quebec has sanctioned MMA for quite some time and there are several other provinces that sanction MMA.
Hell MFC is a Canadian promotion holding most if not all of their cards in Alberta.
mostly circumstantial
with that kind of logic you should do PR for the UFC, there is no excuse for Dana cutting Daley and not Nate
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Again it is because it reflects on the UFC when it happens
If I tell my boss I got into a fight at TGI Friday’s he probably wouldnt care as long as I wasnt arrested but if I get into a fight on company property it reflects poorly on him and the company. Thus I would probably get fired for the fight on company property and not at TGI fRIDAY’S.
Is it right? Probably not. Is it faie? Probably not. But it’s life/
by bigdmmafan on May 9, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If you were on
live TV and soccer kicked somebody in the face while your brother was holding him down you would probably be fired from any respectable job as well as go to jail
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem there is only the hardcore fans knew it was Nate Diaz. If I asked most casuals the majority probably think it was only Strikeforce fighters.
Even most articles that brought it up on non-mma sites didnt say UFC fighter Nate Diaz so again the fact that it didnt reflect poorly on the UFC except maybe among the hardcores and the fact that most people have moved on helps Nate Diaz cause.
Is it right? No. Is it hyppocriticle(sp)? Yes but guess what you bashing Dana on what a hypocritt(sp) he is, is not going to get Daley reinstated and Nate cut.
Kind of my point
if the UFC wants to be recognized as a major or even minor sport then they at least need to have some sort of rules in place for such events! They can’t depend on an over emotional Dana to make non rational decisions based on emotions after an event. If T.O. was at a college football game and kicked a player then Goodell would punish him and probably as harsh or harsher than he would if he did it at an NFL game
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
So I'm confused
is your point that Nate Diaz should have been cut from the UFC for his role in the Strikeforce brawl? or is your point that the UFC shouldnt have cut Daley for his post fight actions?
And 2 if we are at the point that ESPN front page is covering the results and mma live is doing pre-fight and post fight shows on ESPN 2 I think it’s safe to say we have at least been recognzied as a “minor sport”.
not trying to be confusing
my point is that the same thing should happen to both of them, there should be at least some sort of consistency. and I wasn’t trying to take a shot at mma there MMA to me is at least a top 3 sport with some of the best athletes in the world
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
It didn’t happen at a UFC event for Nate. I think Dana just as much blames Strikeforce for allowing so many people in the cage post fight and being sloppy.
that doesn't change the need for consistency from the UFC
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS
Everybody thinks Dana is taking a moral position on this, so they are getting caught up in ethical arguments. This isn’t a moral thing…
This is a business decision. Daley pulled his shit during a co-main event of a show expected to have high ratings and press coverage. MMA Live was going on ESPN after the event which meant new TV eyes on the sport and on UFC.
Nate did nothing to the UFC but participate in a brawl that reflected badly on strikeforce—business WIN. Daley threw an unprovoked shot in the Co-Main Event of a highly watched UFC card—business FAIL.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
by judonerd on May 9, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
a Paul Daley sucker punch could give someone a concussion. a Kevin Garnett slap probably won’t do shit. If you want to compare “professional athletes”, let’s say after a game, Ray Lewis decided to blindside a helmet-less Tom Brady
so let me get this straight
a gloved punch from a 5’8 170lb man is going to do that much more damage than a bare open hand strike from a 7ft tall 250lb man? I don’t get this
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Training to hurt people works wonders.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Can't forget the hand wraps under the gloves
The gloves are to protect the wearer’s hands, not the target’s physical integrity… and that’s even if they haven’t gotten the plaster cast treatment like Margarito was accused of.
So a professional
Basketball player (maybe the best athletes in the world) that probably does boxing training in the off season can’t throw a punch like a pro fighter?
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Mariuz Pudz, World’ Strongest Man, Karate black belt, trains boxing. He can’t throw a punch worth shit
i thought pudz was a green belt
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by Dr.Glaze on May 9, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“than a bare open hand strike”, as you say, so apparently not, if he slapped the guy. Just saying, in court, you being a professional fighter can increase charges brought against you. “Deadly Weapon” bull shit. Thing is, Daley has been separating people from their senses for a living, and he tried to hurt someone. Theres a difference.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, me trying to quote you looks retarded. Bare with me, I’m half asleep.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
Garnett isn’t a trained fighter, and really this argument is going no where, haha, but I would imagine any professional athlete could inflict significant damage with any strike not just pro fighteres
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Fights in the NBA are usually like a schoolyard fight. You throw a couple pot shot arm punches until a teacher breaks it up. They usually swing out of frustration rather than malicious intent. Fighters generally only throw punches with malicious intent.
I have seen
much worse punches in all 4 major sports than what Daley threw tonight after the bell. If anything I thought it was merely out of annoyance with Kos and not with intent to hurt him
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The UFC is different from other organizations and other athletes have faced criminal charges for their actions in games before. I don’t think what Daley did is criminal, but his punishment was fine in my opinion. I was surprised Artest was allowed to play again, but that is the NBA’s call not Dana White’s,
The only players that I've
ever heard of facing charges are the ones that used weapons IE a hockey stick
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
but none of them, at least players, came to fruition
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Youre argument is wrong on multiple fronts, just let it go.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
by judonerd on May 9, 2010 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And last point, Boxers and trained fighters are considered to be “dangerous weapons” in some states and can be charged with harsher crimes for assault and battery.
by Dropkick434 on May 9, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
A fight during a basketball game is still not as bad as a professional fighter taking a cheap shot after the fight has ended. This has happened in boxing before with pretty horrible results. I have never seen a basketball player KO someone despite them being huge human beings. I don’t think what Daley did is criminal, but if significant damage is done like in that boxing clip, it easy could become criminal. I still think athletes have leeway when it comes to fights during an athletic event.
I meant other players by “someone”. I personally haven’t seen a basketball player punch out a ref before until you showed that video.
Ron Artest
Attacked a fan…
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And he was suspended for a long ass time and faced criminal charges. Also, the fan wasnt knocked out.
I’m not sure what you’re arguing anymore. Regardless, Artest did something far worse and wasn’t cut.
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And here I was thinking BE was a very PC site. I am not too much of a PC guy but I mean that Daley shit is just too much. I like Daley and wished he could be in the UFC still but Dana is making the right choice here.
This is weird but true. If Daley got into a fight any other time with Koscheck prior to or after their fight it wouldn’t be as big of a deal. If Daley tried this backstage or in the street it would get him in trouble but what he did when he did it is just wrong. Funny how things work like that sometimes.
As for Kimbo; I agree they should use him in a Fight Night or something. But I wonder if there could be an issue with his contract? Maybe he is getting more than he is worth? Could be a way for the UFC to get him to renegotiate to a lower amount or something if he is getting part of the PPV $. It is curious to cut him after only one loss when he is such a big draw.
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Yet somehow
Nate Diaz still has a job
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Daley has been...
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 9, 2010 2:35 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Kudos to Dana taking a strong stance on this.
Clearly colored by the Babalu expulsion and the Nashville brawl. Dana White don’t play that shit.
As for Kimbo… I won’t miss him. He’s looked pathetic in three fights (counting TUF) and they’ve run out of favorable matchups for him. They’d have to really dilute the talent pool at this point.
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Six years had passed
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by pdl on May 9, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
yea
but what about a strong stance?
as in.. never.
Daley is a complete innocent compared to Gilbert.
You're being silly.
Dana is saying that he won’t tolerate his fighters fucking up like this. He cut Junie Browning for it. It contributed to why they cut War Machine. I love Daley and would love to see the fights he could have in the UFC, but he did something really really dumb.
Yvel rehabbed his image and is no longer the off-the-handle bad boy he used to be. Think about how fucking stupid you were six years ago. Embarrassing, right?
I don’t buy the lifetime ban talk. But this cut is justified and I’m glad he did it.
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by pdl on May 9, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think Dana may mean if you fuck up this bad in the UFC that’s it. If you do stupid shit in another organiztion you were growing up , still learning, maturing etc. Once you reach the UFC you are a top talent and expected to act as a professional and a grown man. I think I can understand this as crazy as it seems. You can be a fuck up but just don’t fuck up here, not on my watch kind of situation.
what if
you get cut from the UFC, spend time in another org and then go back to the UFC?
you cannot treat things that happened 6 years ago as equivalent to things that happened today.
6 years ago Dana probably would have said that Yvel would never be back, and no one could blame him.
If you really think getting cut is unfair (which I think is a ridiculous position), come back in 6 years if the guy is still a quality fight and does nothing eles wrong and you have a legit gripe.
Where the sport and the UFC were 6 years have a big impact, and the fact that it was 6 years ago. Time heals all wounds.
ok well
i assumed when you said you approved of Dana’s strong stance you approved of the life time ban.
The moment it happened… I said to my friends Paul Daley is cut from the UFC.
A Life time ban though? Ridiculous…
Oh lifetime ban is just Dana talking his nonsense. If Daley does great and destroys everyone while going on a campaign about how sorrry he is and how his emotions took control he’ll be back in a heartbeat.
Daley I totally agree with
Kind of bummed about Kimbo. He wasn’t ever going to be anything special, everyone knew that, but one loss and out? Kinda sucks
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I was going to say they should give Kimbo another fight
But they would have to bring in guys with no talent at all to match up with him so I’m fine with them cutting him. What are the odds Kimbo and Daley show up on a Strikeforce card in the near future?
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Greg Nagy, is basically the equivalent of Bo Cantrell vs Kimbo.
by Anton Tabuena on May 9, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Out-wrestled by Tan Dan too. Bad night for Daley.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Even Kos raised his hands for defense.
How did Dan not suspect that Daley was going to attack him, or at least take preventative measures?
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 9, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Most fighters go to congratulate people, Dan was probably just giving Daley the benefit of the doubt. I was worried about it though, Daley is moving aggressively, as you see his right arm pulled up, not walking normal. Kos saw it coming though, no doubt.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Daley was gonna man up and try to hug/congratulate him.
by Anton Tabuena on May 9, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
i knew he was gonna throw as soon as he got off the ground.
He got up way too fast, reaching for Kos. Then he shoves Dan (well, he tries to shove his big ass) and starts following Kos in a not-so-subtle, hurry-without-appearing-to-hurry way — with his shoulder dropped, hand cocked. It was a classic sucker punch. Seen it in bars too many times before.
Dude was pissed.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
True, but given the trash talk between them, I'd have been wary.
I mean, If you saw Wandy aggressively walk up to Rampage, would you let them get close?
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 9, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope, but I don’t expect a ref to have to be on the ready for post-fight beat downs. Especially when you’re dealing with UFC fighters.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess it’s a “preferable, but not obligatory” situation. It’d be nice if he stopped it, but he shouldn’t have been expected to anticipate it. Besides, he did a great job of stopping before it escalated (Thankfully, Kos just walked away).
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 9, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
People forget that this is all happening in a matter of seconds, Dan did just about as good as I’d do, and he grabbed Daley quick. I mean, dunno why Dan is even brought up. Putting myself into his shoes, it was like thinking, well theres another fight down…hey…what…!!!, and he took care of business. Dunno, I don’t find fault with Dan here.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s probably the attitude that since he’s the ref, he should be in control of the fighters at all times. Also, Tan-Dan-hate – had it been BJM, we’d be praising him for ending it so quickly.
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 9, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
It looks like Dan expected it but didn’t believe it would actually happen. I think this is just about how everyone else felt who was watching as well. Dan made a mistake but a normal human mistake. Perhaps this will be a lesson.
I think Dan as well as others figured shit this is the UFC shit like that doesn’t happen here it couldn’t be.
Hey maybe the ref doesn deserve some blame. I mean sure fighters are supposed to act professional but emotions run high in the heat of the moment . It’s not as if Daley did something that crazy considering that he is a fighter was just fighting the guy and really disliked the guy not to mention got his ass kicked and was shittalking back and forth with him.
Meh, that's what I said in another post.
Apparently Dan is absolved of all responsibility because “…this kind of thing usually doesn’t happen.”
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by lowellthehammer on May 9, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
More great acting by Koshcheck
I played that punch over, at least twelve times, and it looked like a total air punch. This slo-mo confirms that, at best, it wasn’t a clean shot. Kos was defending himself when he realized Daley was approaching. That said, I still agree with Dana’s ban.
I completely agree with canning Daley but isn’t Dana trying to sign Shields after the Mayhem incident?
Shields didn't actually take part in the incident.
He was immediately grabbed and pulled away before it actually turned into brawl. The rest of his team…that’s another matter.
its all about optics
no one in the Strikeforce incident looked as culpable as Daley did.
the situations were similar… but the optics were very different.
This has been discussed to the point of making my eyes bleed, but Shields threw two punches.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 9, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It didnt happen in the UFC
If it happens outside the UFC Dana can make it out to be Strikeforce and Showtime’s fault and why they shouldnt be involved in mma.
If it happens in the UFC it reflects on Dana and the Ferrttitas and so they have to do something about it.
by bigdmmafan on May 9, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
meh
Both these guys have been used up.
Both these guys can now be canned.
Good call on cutting Kimbo
They cut Mark Coleman for looking bad,and Mark Coleman at least lost to a stud.
Kimbo got totally run over by a guy with one pro fight.There’s nowhere to go from there.He doesn’t belong in the UFC.
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yep, kimbo just doesn't have it. he tried, but I think the ufc is not for him. wish him the best
by higgledy-piggledy on May 9, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Therein lies the sad
And Dana White respecting him for trying to give it a legit go and earn/deserve that spot that the UFC had gone above and beyond for him on.
And Dana didn't go out of his way to trash Kimbo after the lost
He just said he didn’t have it. Given what Dana has said about Kimbo before, this was amazing restraint on Dana’s part, I’m betting. There’s got to be about 90 minutes worth of “I TOLD YOU!” stored up in him, waiting to be screamed out.
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by Earl Montclair on May 9, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
As far as Daley goes
I think what he did was wrong, but all the hypocritical bull crap about how crappy he was is old. For one the UFC kept Nate on their payroll after he soccer kicked a guy in the face while he was being held down on live national TV, second all the admitted shit talking Kos was doing to Daley as he was laying on top of him at the end of the third a long with the third fake injury do to an illegal blow that Kos faked isn’t exactly good for the sport (looks like pro wrestling). I don’t think Kimbo would ever contend for a title, but I think he could have put on some more exciting fights, I think he just let the emotions get to him and he gassed in the first round, and expanded a lot of energy on some slams and wrestling that was unnecessary for him.
if the knee didn’t land, where did the blood in the middle of Kos’s forehead come from? it showed up immediately after the knee
by BradCr on May 9, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
watch the replay again...this time in slow motion
by higgledy-piggledy on May 9, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
i have 3 times…what am i watching for? what i see is Kos trying to get the choke before they scramble and the knee comes. there’s no blood on his forehead prior to the knee, and there is after the knee, so it may not have been flush, but it was enough for blood.
Wait, you're really claiming it hit?
It may have possibly grazed his jheri curl, but the fact that he looked to the ref before realizing, “Oh yeah, that’s supposed to hurt” and flopping like a fish out of water is pretty damning evidence.
what i’m asking is where the blood on his forehead came from? there was no blood before the “knee” and there was after. I already said it wasn’t flush, but people just don’t start bleeding from their forehead for no reason. that’s all i’m saying
if thats all you're saying
then you aren’t saying the koscheck got hit..
right?
so you are saying he got hit by that knee?
say it. please.
lol
okay.. you are correct, but you are also a coward.
alright
I disagree with you… but to be honest, it looked close/weird enough that I understand where you are coming from.
Its hard to tell with all the movement going on.
What I saw though was… at most, Daley’s thigh grazing Koscheck’s head. I can’t imagine a wound being created from that.. let a lone one that would bleed fast enough or do enough damage.
if that makes sense
the meat of his leg, basically, is what i’m getting at
he wasn't cut on the middle of his forehead
are you really going to try and argue that the knee landed?
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
his NOSE
they were up and down and all over the place, I just watched two post fight Kos interviews and didn’t see any sign of a forehead cut, his nose right eye and “MAYBE” a cut on his right hairline which there is no way his knee even grazed that side
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
good argument!
nobody in a fight where they were rolling around on the ground ever got blood from their nose to their forehead? what a joke argument, if you can watch the replay and honestly say you think the knee landed then there is obviously no intelligent debate here
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i guess blood snuck from his nose up under his hair, but not on it, and then decided to come down his forehead. you could have defended OJ. or at least sold everyone the magic bullet theory.
you are the only that saw the fight willing to argue the knee landed
I am done with you on this
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
dude….you;re still running around claiming nate diaz kicked mayhem in the face which absolutely did not happen so I’m not taking your assessment on anything. not to mention trying to say that NBA players are the best athletes….giggle
by BradCr on May 9, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
who are better athletes?
and I have the Nate kick tivo’d and have watched it plenty
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
i doubt that if you think someone got kicked in the face. mayhem is on his knees and nate is on his left kicking him in the side and leg. as far as better athletes, what are the criteria for such a judgement?
um off the top of my head
fastest/strongest/quickest/jumping ability/hand-eye/foot coordination
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
hockey players do as many athletic things as bball players and they do it at 30 mph on skates. Football players are faster, stronger, and pretty coordinated.
i think it’s impossible to say who’s best because they’re all specialized. there are some who could crossover in almost everysport
hockey players do as many athletic things as bball players
Like jumping
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even if he was cut, which he wasn’t [maybe grazed] , it wasn’t as a result of the ‘phantom’ knee.
watch Ariel’s post fight interview hear Kos explanation of the ‘knee’.
“I got hit pretty hard” he says. I don’t know about that.
by higgledy-piggledy on May 9, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It was there before the knee.
If the knee DID land (it didn’t) it wasn’t anywhere near his nose.
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I for one am bummed about Daley being Cut
I mean on the replay it looks like Daley only hits Koscheck’s hand. I suppose the intention counts as well but either way I am still bummed.
BUT...
That one dimension was REALLY good. Either way, WW divison is stacked, they can afford to lose a guy there
by CaptainKneebar on May 9, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
If Daley were to hypothetically run through all the competition outside the UFC impressively, apologize to Dana and whatnot I have no doubt that he’d be re-signed. Dana spouts a lot of hyperbole immediately during and after incidents but I’m not so sure I believe him when he says he’d never let Daley back in.
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I agree
Dana will do what’s best for the UFC and right now that is cutting a guy who looks like a frustrated punk who got outclassed. If in the future Daley looks like a top talent that could help UFC then he’ll bring him back.
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well apparently that won't be good enough in White's eyes.
“He’ll [Daley] fight again in the UFC”.
But we’ll have to see as stranger things have happened
by higgledy-piggledy on May 9, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone think the Kimbo post fight interview hijacking was hillarious! How unprofessional? He was lurking behind him and I was like..I will see you in the parking lot after! Then he grabbed the Mic…you lost give the Meat train his due and let him interview!
I for one
Am surprised he didn’t get gang jumped by Mitriones homies for it.
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by Tim the Enchanter on May 9, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
bad call on slice
he should get at least 1 more shot, i mean he didnt look that bad in round one.
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by Dr.Glaze on May 9, 2010 3:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
slice was a questionable call to begin with
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by milk72 on May 9, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i hate what daley did
but id say a lifelong ban is a little harsh, if the UFC is gonna be the league of the best fighters in the world unfortunately they’re gonna have to welcome back athletes who have done forgettable shit like michael vick in the nfl
daley deserves nothing less than a year long ban from the UFC if that punch hurt kos than there would be a even bigger backlash from everybody
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
I agree with you, and expected a suspension more than a ban, but nothing’s set in stone there. He better go on one hell of a winning streak, improve his wrestling, and beg forgiveness. It’s frustrating to be completely dominated, but he has only himself to punch. And Kos came off like as much of a dirtbag as usual. AKA vs. St.Pierre/Tristar/Jackson’s will be pretty entertaining, though I wish they’d just book the fight for August/September and be done with it.
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 9, 2010 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Vick should have never
been allowed back into the NFL.
by Riney on May 9, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Both these decisions make sense
They wanted to see if Kimbo could draw, but he just doesn’t really have the talent to hang in the UFC. Meanwhile Daley looked like a kid having a temper tantrum and Dana didn’t allow him to ruin the UFC brand.
I would guess that both these guys get signed by Strikeforce, fairly soon.
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Actually let me rephrase my subject
Neither decision surprises me
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Kimbo post fight:
“WHERE’S MY REMATCH HOMIE?”
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on Kimbo
he is what he is, I don’t think he would ever have contended for a UFC title. I think he could put on semi-exciting to exciting fights and draw interest from casual fans, but if the UFC thought he would be any more than that I would have to seriously question their talent evaluation
what, other than the Kimboplex, about his other pro fights has led you to believe that he could put on even semi-exciting fights?
whatever
he stands and bangs, and the casual fan will tune in just for that, maybe I should have said exciting fights for casual fans not very intelligent hard core all seeing fans like your self
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i’m not hard core, and i’m definitely not intelligent, i just watch fights and talk about what i see. and what i;ve seen from kimbo is some standing, not much banging, and a lot of gassed fighter looking like he doesn’t want to be there. Dana made his money on kimbo just like everyone else, and now he’s on his way to the next stop
by BradCr on May 9, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
my only question is what did he expect from Kimbo? did he really expect him to be a title contender? or did he just want to prove that he couldn’t hand in the UFC, which I really don’t think anything was proven with a 1-1 record
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
nobody expected him to be a title contender. he proved tonight that he can;t hang in the UFC. he got dominated by Matt Mitrione for god’s sake. what more must be proven?
by that logic
Shogun could have been cut after he was nearly beaten by Mark Coleman, Shogun if I remember right was behind on the cards when Coleman was so exhausted he couldn’t continue with like 30 seconds left. I don’t think you can cut a fighter on one loss if that was his first loss in the UFC. In the end it really doesn’t matter to me I always felt like I was watching a bad Elite XC fight when Kimbo came out there, I think they should have put him in there against Randy or somebody in his first fight and then cut him if he embarrassed his self
by blueballlefty on May 9, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
not at all, Shogun has a history of high caliber professional fights on the biggest stages. kimbo had a history of knocking guys around in someones backyard for chump change. it’s not even close to the same logic or really even logic at all
by BradCr on May 9, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The difference is Shogun went on to WIN
Sure it was through Coleman’s collapse, but Shogun powered through his own issue, came back and made the win, as ugly as it was back then. Kimbo… didn’t.
it kinda pisses me off
dana was saying all this kimbo showed me he is a legit fighter bullshit, but then when he loses his 2nd cuts him? fuck you dana, you just lost some serious star power.
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by Dr.Glaze on May 9, 2010 4:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
comedy?
dude whether you like it or not, kimbo has alot of drawing power. if i was dana, i have would a slice/petruzelli rematch on a fight night card.
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by Dr.Glaze on May 9, 2010 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Real Crime
Lets talk about the ‘REAL CRIME’….KOS disrespecting the host city/country directly following his win.
I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!
no crime.
Cheap heat, yes, but fine. You boo the guy who wins a dominant decision, and he should make fun of you.
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by Tim the Enchanter on May 9, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana claims he asked Daley, "you want to keep fighting in the UFC"... Daley....
Daley shrugged “whatever. I don’t give a shit.” Dana says that’s why he cut him. The attitude towards the whole thing.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 9, 2010 5:09 AM EDT reply actions
Helwani's interview he says that CaDreamer
It was Daleys bad boy attitude to Dana that has made him get cut. All about Dana! He offered Hendo a new contract for the worst most brutal sucker punch in UFC history.
I was a fool to think Bisping had any chance against the Axe Murderer, and even more foolish to bet agaisnt the great Puck Head.
you are reaching.
There is one thing to hit someone while the fight and going for the knockout ,
it is another to clearly punch someone in frustration ‘long’ after the fight has ended.
very different situations Tonyuk.
by higgledy-piggledy on May 9, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would actually like to see Kimbo get one more chance as he’s only 1-1 in the org, but I suppose his value is diminished in his loss to someone I just don’t see as a potential draw.
Figured a suspension w/ fines would be in Daley’s future, not this. I don’t think Dana really went overboard in that decision though. It’s best he sets an example now for those kind of actions, especially in light of the Mayhem/Cesar Gracie camp brawl at Strikeforce.
Speaking of late hits (about 2:55).
A lifetime ban for Daley seems excessive given that a) anyone who doesn’t want to punch Josh Koschek in the face at least a little bit is objectively wrong, and that b) other fighters have done worse and gone on to have UFC careers.
Also what about pre-fight sucker punches like Herring / Nakao?
Did that not show Heath to be morally unfit to fight in the hallowed confines of the UFC?
by WanderleiNoooooo! on May 9, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions
To be fair, Nakao was acting, like, totally gay, and a red-blooded individual like Heath just couldn’t help himself. (Daley’s excuse obviously should have been that Kos was whispering sweet nothings in his ear.)
by WanderleiNoooooo! on May 9, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, of course. Then we would have been talking about his late hit in terms of his violent homophobia inspired assault instead of being a bad loser and Kos could have easily passed it off as simple mind games.
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by Earl Montclair on May 9, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
People need to get it through their thick skulls … if it didn’t happen in the Octagon, DANA DOES NOT CARE.
Whether you agree with that stance or not is immaterial. The fact remains that Dana doesn’t give a shit what guys do when they aren’t on his dime, but if they screw him at one of his events, he will crucify them.
by Steve4192 on May 9, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^ This.
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by Earl Montclair on May 9, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Nakao ostensibly ‘started’ it when he kissed Heath. Not saying you, but whether other people want to consider that homophobia or not, it was still unwarranted physical contact on Nakao’s part.
When he kissed him he committed sexual assault
technically that is true
Bye, bye, buddy.
Too bad about Kimbo, he’ll probably do one or two more fights then open a sports bar in Miami or something. Good for him.
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Dana could've made kimbo fight one last time (if he lost again) in one of the Spike Fight Night shows,
and got 5 million ++ viewers, but he passed… I wonder how many promoters would do that.
by Anton Tabuena on May 9, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Earl Montclair on May 9, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I gotta say, Mitrione amuses the hell outta me.
Everyone hates him because he is a big, dumb, meathead but thats exactly why I like him.
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I totally agree; Mitrione’s fun and I derived great satisfaction from seeing him put a beating on Kimbo.
by WanderleiNoooooo! on May 9, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
We need more
…Heavies who don’t gas after two minutes. Go Mitrione!
After reading this mess I have 3 things.
Dana is only concerned with incidents in the UFC. Fuck what happened in PRIDE or Wargos or anywhere else.
If you can’t see the difference between the Kos and Mayhem incidents you have serious perception issues. Take off you Dana Hater Glasses.
Daley should be released. Let him go fight somewhere for 2-3 years and mature some. If he has a great record AND matures, he will be welcomed back.
by Riney on May 9, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I missed this fight
because of travel. I woke up this AM to see that Daley had been cut from the UFC. Having only seen the gif of the the punch, I’m not in much position to comment on what happened, but I will say I’m incredibly depressed by this result.
Daley is (was) probably my favorite non-belt holder in the UFC leading up to this incident. He was a huge draw for me. Him getting cut makes the WW division less interesting to me (you won’t get $50 out of me to see GSP easily beat Fitch or Kos again at their own game).
Obviously some significant penalty is in order, but I think a lifetime ban is excessive. I hope that’s just Dana being hotheaded, but who knows. As a fan, I will follow Daley to wherever he ends up fighting, because I think he puts on great fights.
And now there’s a matter of a sig bet I lost.
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It was a chickenshit move that revealed a severe lack of character.
Daley has a lot of work to do, outside the gym, on himself, as a person.
It was also an assault. He should count himself fortunate he didn’t get arrested.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 10, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a chickenshit move that revealed a severe lack of character that revealed some anger management issues. I’m a little tired of people expecting fighters to make an immediate transition from killer to choirboy as soon as the bell rings. A fight is a highly charged environment and extracurricular fisticuffs are hardly a new phenomenon.
The punch reflects badly on Daley and the UFC — and by extension MMA itself — and deserves to be punished, but a lifetime ban is excessive. If Daley can rehab himself, he should have a shot to return.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on May 10, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a little tired of people expecting fighters to make an immediate transition from killer to choirboy as soon as the bell rings.
It’s called “being a professional.” Look it up.
If I want to watch two guys who hate each other fight with rage, I’ll go down to the bar on any Saturday night.
If I want to watch two disciplined fighters who have worked to perfect their technique and respect each other as competitors, I go to the UFC.
If Daley can’t make the distinction, he should spend more time in the former and less time in the latter.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 10, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Could you point out to me where I said
that the post-bell punch was a “professional” move? I have said all along that it was wrong and that he should be punished.
What I did say was that it is unrealistic and unfair to expect that the aggression that drives many professional fighters won’t occasionally spill over outside of the bounds of the sport. When it does, there should be a clear set of rules and penalties in place that can be imposed without favor or emotion.
To ban a fighter for life over a punch that ultimately didn’t do any damage is completely out of line, not only with the common standard of combat sports, but with the standards of all sports everywhere.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on May 10, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
And that is why we have athletes with huge senses of entitlement who believe the rules don’t apply to them.
See: Roethlisberger, Ben
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 10, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, what?
I just suggested that there be a clear set of rules and penalties like there are in other sports, and you said that’s why athletes don’t think rules apply to them? Did I miss something?
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on May 10, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You said the lifetime ban was "completely out of line, not only with the common standard of combat sports, but with the standards of all sports everywhere.
And I agreed with you that it was, and then suggested that this fact could have something to do with why so many pro athletes rape women or shoot themselves in the leg while wearing sweatpants at a strip club.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 10, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Total sucker punch.
Chickenshit move. Permaban justified.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 10, 2010 2:08 AM EDT reply actions
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