UFC 113: Machia vs. Rua 2 - Post-Fight Recap and Analysis
by Mike Fagan on May 9, 2010 1:01 AM EDT
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-Wow.
-Lyoto Machida didn't seem to have solved the Muay Thai riddle presented by Mauricio "Shogun" Rua. On the feet, the fight looked a lot like the first one with Shogun able to press forward and implement his game. In October's 25 minutes of fighting, neither fighter actively worked for a takedown. Machida landed two takedowns himself in less than five minutes of action. Too bad it got him nowhere.
-Anyone else excited at the possibilities for Shogun-Rampage 2?
-Can someone tell me where Franklin McNeil got his information re: a Shogun knee injury? I feel like a lot of bettors would like to have a word with him.
-I don't care what anyone says, Josh Koscheck's super-heel act is awesome. I knew he was playing things up right away when his first reaction to Daley's "knee" was to stare at the referee wide-eyed and THEN clutch his face. I'm sure Koscheck will get hell for it, but you've got a big thumbs up from me, Josh!
-Speaking of getting hell, Daley through a punch following the bout. Or so I hear. I was busy putting together the post-fight writeup, so I missed the action. And the UFC is too classy to show a replay of something like that. Expect disciplinary action from the commission and possible release from the UFC.
-And just in case no one else noticed...Dan Miragliotta threatened to stand the bout up at separate times with Koscheck in mount or having back control. SAY WHAT?
-I'm not sure how a judge gave Sam Stout two rounds after his bout with Jeremy Stephens, but the right guy ended up getting the nod. Quality fight, and it goes to show how threatening power can change the complexion of a fight.
-Kimbo's post-fight reaction was...different. He seemed a little too joyous and self-promoting for someone who just got his ass beat. Nevertheless, Matt Mitrione looked much improved after spending time at Roufusport, though he might want to lay off submissions he's only seen on TV.
-I thought Patrick Cote was finding his groove in round two. He looked more comfortable and was winning the punching exchanges with Alan Belcher. Then Belcher landed a very legal and very awesome faceslam, which looked to confuse, hurt, and surprise the Canadian all at once. I loved that Belcher wasted no time looking for the choke.
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Cote tried to pull a Kos
needs moar acting
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
Wait, WHHHHHHAAAAAA?
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
That is crazy. I thought Meathead looked good more than Kimbo looked bad. Kimbo was what we thought he was.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
really?!
I thought they both looked pretty bad. Meathead is waaaay off where he needs to be if he is planning on still fighting in the UFC in 2-3 fights time
I’ll be watching it again for sure, but I thought Mitrione looked good for someone so green in MMA. Those were some really good leg kicks with some good power behind them. I might be wrong, but my initial impression was that his striking looked sub-par due to his unwillingness to fully commit with his punches, which could have left him open for a Kimbo highlight reel knockout. Add to that his chillingly calm demeanor and what seems to be a drastic departure from his TUF personality (which I’m assuming was another example of ‘just for ratings / exposure’), to one that is much more likable, and you’ve got a guy I’m eager to see again.
On a side note, I didn’t think Kimbo looked bad enough to warrant a cut. Yes, his conditioning is clearly not where it needs to be. Yes, he has holes in his game. But the guy is marketable still, and seems to actually be a nice person. His wrestling (or maybe I’ll just call it brute-strength HULK-SMASHING since he couldn’t really keep control after said smashing) looked impressive. That was a fun fight to watch. There is no reason I can think of to not keep the guy around for Fight Night-type cards, where he can still be a televised (but not main) bout, fighting guys that match up well for a slobber-knocker. Paul Buentello would have been perfect.
I'm tired...
Wanted to correct myself. Kimbo isn’t a nice person actually. I was judging that from hearing him speak, forgot about the extremely blatant, obviously intentional eye gouge. If it were me in charge, yeah cut him after that. And the Daley cut is a judgment call that I could see going either way, but I would completely support cutting him. Honestly though, Kos should get fined, suspended, lose his title shot… something. There is no room for cheating in this sport. These athletes work too damn hard for what amounts to not a ton of money most of the time. It was disgusting. I agree with what the author said, in the regard that I enjoy is heel act, but not when it comes to cheating.
I actually thought Machida looked much better than in the first fight . . . he just got caught. For all the work Machida did and controlling the round, Shogun just would never stop coming forward and swung with precision, not wildly. Machida’s lost the fight when he couldn’t keep Shogun on the mat.
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just got caught? lol… you funny brah, from my perspective he got totally pwned.
by kanodogg on May 9, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
read the whole post
Shogun just would never stop coming forward and swung with precision, not wild
Shogun knew what he was doing.
Vote Quimby
More aggressive anyway
Got caught on the feet, but after that it was all Shogun… though TBH I kinda had Machida winning R1 before that on the TDs.
Agreed. Machida was winning a close round on points. He failed to do two things – one, cause any damage when he was on the ground and in control, and two, he didn’t protect his chin with that straight left. Shogun was swinging for the fences the whole night, and Machida just wanted to win on points again.
I disagree with your analysis, Mike. He did solve the puzzle. His goal was to land a takedown whenever Shogun kicked, and he landed twice. If he was a better lay and pray artist like St. Pierre he would have coasted to a boring five-round decision.
Shogun wanted this badly and more. His heart was great and it was good for the sport to have him erase the embarrassment that Koscheck’s flop job, appallingly boring style, terrible sportsmanship and Daley’s inexcusable disaster of a sucker punch would have done.
Machida solved some of the puzzle, but not all of it
He did some work with quick knees from the clinch and got takedowns, but Machida couldn’t do any damage and had poor base (especially against Shogun’s Jujitsu on the ground) these might have helped with a decision, but not for doing real damage or control.
Machida still looked very uncomfortable when Shogun came forward which he did often. Machida was going to have to counter with power or control and do damage in GnP he was doing neither and was likely to get knocked out in a 5 round fight.
I agree the shot was one of those clipping blows, but it was kina inevitable and the follow up was awesome.
oh my god
machida solved the how to get himself knocked out in the first round puzzle.
when someone keeps winning its not necessarily a puzzle. Machida was a puzzle because he seemed to do it without getting hit. shogun does not boast such a game plan. There’s not a shogun puzzle.
by Body Triangle on May 9, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know how you can say he solved a puzzle when he got knocked out the way he did
Even if he figured out how to land a takedown, he couldn’t do anything when he got there.
To solve a puzzle you need to put together all of the peices, not just one.
Shogun said his gameplan was to go for the KO while Machioda reacted to kicks. If anyone solved a puzzle it was Rua.
Kimbo did the same thing after the Seth fight. I think the guy realises he’s genuinely fortunate to be getting these paydays and opportunities. Don’t know yet if he’ll get another fight though, Toney is probably the only HW in the UFC that he stands a chance of beating. Kimbo would have been subbed several times over in the first round if Mitrione had any real skills.
…whoa wait. I know nothing about Toney because I don’t follow boxing but would Kimbo seriously stand a chance at all against a professional boxer? I highly doubt it.
Kimbo at 205,
vs Petruzelli, Toney, or even Chuck.
by Anton Tabuena on May 9, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
And yeah, I’m now 100% on the Kos-wagon. He won me over in the Rumble fight and upped the awesome here.
Welcome aboard...
If you want to see the real Kos check out his post fight interviews. That said I can’t blame you if don’t watch them to avoid spoiling the show he puts on.
Google Ron Paul!
Dana just stated e post-fight presser that on that Daley is cut from the UFC
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
I agree.
-I thought Patrick Cote was finding his groove in round two. He looked more comfortable and was winning the punching exchanges with Alan Belcher. Then Belcher landed a very legal and very awesome faceslam, which looked to confuse, hurt, and surprise the Canadian all at once. I loved that Belcher wasted no time looking for the choke.
and on breaking news:
Dana White says Paul Daley will never come back to UFC. “He’s done.”
from josh gross on twitter.
Cutting him from the UFC?
Damn.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
F Daley
There are shit-talkers, head games, all that. But to punch someone after a fight . . . unacceptable. He needs to be made an example of, Dana is doing the right thing. After the Strikeforce stuff last month MMA just can’t have this.
Vote Quimby
Seriously, especially after being dominated for three rounds. That’s not going to help you save face dood.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
This isn't wrasslin'
And slugging the heel doesn’t make a face…
Be interested if Ariel or whoever asks what Dana’s rationale is for cutting Daley but doing nothing to Nate Diaz and openly stating that Shields is going to sign.
You Sure?
That was a whole team of fighters tagging one guy thrown to the floor. I see it as different, but in a worse way. Yell if it is not just me.
Why do people keep acting like nick and nate diaz held down mayhem while melendez and shields beat the shit out of him?
The guy didn’t have a scratch on him, the ring was full of people pushing, shoving, pulling, kicking, and punching each other.
The only thing similar about theses two incidents is that they are stupid and shouldn’t have happened. In Nashville, a lot of people were a stupid. Here, one person was very stupid.
by Phildo on May 9, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
if rampage could have a run with the cops outside the UFC,
I guess you also get leeway for gang style beatdowns ;)
by Anton Tabuena on May 9, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
It's like Babalu all over again.
See ya later, Daley. I’d like to say it was a pleasure knowing you, but it wasn’t.
by pud333 on May 9, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you beat me by seconds. lol
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I was hoping for Daley vs Alves fight. Oh well…
by dancingChicken on May 9, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As was I...
Someone needs to stop the ridiculous hype Brits get by beating average strikers. That said it’s hard to blame the UFC when that’s all they got to promote.
Google Ron Paul!
What he did...
was basically the same thing that Babalu did, but worse… He deserves to be cut and maybe even serve jail time for assault.
Day-man! Fighter of the Night-man! Champion of the sun. You're a master of Karate and friendship for everyone!
"Charlie"
I have always hated Koscheck.... until tonight.
How he handled the Canadian crowd was awesome! Ofcourse being that I live in Pittsburgh and LOVE the Penquins might have something to do with it. ;)
Day-man! Fighter of the Night-man! Champion of the sun. You're a master of Karate and friendship for everyone!
"Charlie"
Yes, but it will probably go 7 games…
Day-man! Fighter of the Night-man! Champion of the sun. You're a master of Karate and friendship for everyone!
"Charlie"
Sharks muthafucka
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
by Neil Manich on May 9, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ummmm, I don’t think so. :)
Day-man! Fighter of the Night-man! Champion of the sun. You're a master of Karate and friendship for everyone!
"Charlie"
A couple of things,
1. I’m from Nor Cal
2. I’m drunk
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Sharks are going to get the cup, they have the gold medal line. Goalie is a siv though.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. - HP Lovecraft
by Ubernoober on May 9, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heresy against Nabby will not be allowed. Fair warning.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Nabonkadonkov was the goalie for that olympic game against team Canada. He’s baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. - HP Lovecraft
He’s past his best, admitted. But he was solid as hell.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Consistently mediocre. Except for the times he lets in 5 goals in one period.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. - HP Lovecraft
I wouldn't say he "handled" the Canadian crowd
Insulting the local sports team is pretty cliche. He shoulod really have Dan Hardy write his stuff.
Mms live: will you fight Anderson silva?
Shogun: yes of course, I am professional fighter
Shogun is awesome
by Mocha Shaka Khan on May 9, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Styles make fights.
- Shogun owns Machida the way Rampage owns Liddell. Bring on Shogun/Rampage 2! That’s all I have to say about that.
- Kos – The guy dives more than Luongo, and if you’re a hockey fan, you know what I’m talking about. From that fight, I don’t see how Kos even competes with GSP. It’ll be a long night for Kos.
- Kimbo / Meathead – I like Kimbo. I know he’s not the best MMA fighter, but I have to admit, I got pretty worked up in round one when he slammed Meathead. Kimbo is really only effective in the first two minutes.
- Cote – Granite chin, but I guess that changes when someone slams you on your face. Nice comeback win for Belcher.
Paul Daley is cut
Paul Daley will never fight in the UFC again
-Dana White. Post Fight Press Confrence.
Stout-Stephens
I have a much bigger problem with the 30-27 than the 28-29. I’d be curious to see the strikes landed numbers on the first two rounds, as I think Stout may have landed more, just obviously less monster strikes, and can thus see how he may have taken the first or second on a card. On the other hand, I have no idea how Stephens got round 3 after nearly being finished by that wicked body shot, and in my humble, losing most of the rest of the round as well.
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Strikeforce now has somebody to fight Diaz at 170...
that is, if they stay in business.
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"Charlie"
SF will sign him I'm sure
but I don’t know how anxious they will be to have a guy cut for sucker-punching someone after a fight in an organization that just had a post-fight brawl
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They won't care...
They just need fighter’s at 170… BADLY. Diaz can’t keep crushing Dream fighters forever.
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"Charlie"
by punchdrank on May 9, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That Belcher slam was the second coolest thing to happen both in the night and the year. The first being Shogun becoming a super hero.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Apparently Daley is done in the UFC.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/5/9/1464288/dana-on-daley-hes-done-i-dont-care
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Strikeforce should set up Daley vs Diaz for a 5 round title bout,
with the last two rounds without rules, and the option of tagging in your cornerman.
by Anton Tabuena on May 9, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Diaz by gang thump!
Day-man! Fighter of the Night-man! Champion of the sun. You're a master of Karate and friendship for everyone!
"Charlie"
Daley by hooliganism!
Keep Firing, Assholes!
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. - HP Lovecraft
Speaking from experience Stockton ain't no joke...
Daley would get wrecked in a brawl with the Diazs’
Google Ron Paul!
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Does microsoft siverlight work for a mac?
by milliondollardreams on May 9, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions
Note to self
Don’t trust Franklin McNeil.
Oh wait I never did.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Ariel Helwani just asked Shogun about McNeil's BS Inside info.
Best Reporter in MMA
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
Helwani is the only real reporter in MMA it seems. No offense Luke and Rome, you guys don’t have the same access.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
by Neil Manich on May 9, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they’re more analysts. They don’t generate original news content, but are awesome at picking apart existing info.
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 9, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
DAMN
KIMBO cut! wow Dana is on a roll
by milliondollardreams on May 9, 2010 1:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I bet SF is hoping a few more exciting fighters pull some post fight BS and get cut
they could use the casual-fan friendly fighters to add to their rosters and they clearly don’t have the same disdain for general low class thuggery that Zuffa and the UFC does.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
And Dana says, “Fuck them, take em I don’t want them.”
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
pure speculation by me, but the fact that Seth has only had one fight since then and is more well known for co-starring in Lawlor’s ring entrances leads me to believe that SF hasn’t been willing to pony up the dough to get Petruzelli in there, and his price will be a lot higher if he knows a kimbo fight is on the table.
There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that CBS/Showtime want anything to do with Seth Petruzelli.
He pretty much destroyed their first foray into MMA by starting the whole standgate fiasco in interviews after the fight. If he had just KO’d Kimbo and kept his mouth shut, EliteXC might have survived. Hell, they probably would have pulled in massive ratings for a rematch based on the ‘Kimbo was unprepared for a late replacement’ angle.
I’ll guarantee you the bigwigs at CBS/Showtime will shut Coker down on any conversations involving Seth.
It would be lolwtf
To say the least… because what would that say about everyone he’d beaten on the way to Shogun?
Oh god I just imagined it
You have brought wonderfulness to my mind…
So Shogun cut, Machida cut, Rashad Evans cut, Thiago Silva cut, Tito Ortiz cut… KazNak, Sokoudjou, Heath, Hoger already cut…
… damn son, damn. UFC 113 was the damn battleaxe of pink slips.
Dan Mirgleotta often threatens to stand up fighters in dominant positions, but how often does he actually do it? Examples?
by Kefka on May 9, 2010 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't like Dan
But I think he did a positive job in the fight. He adjusted and didn’t take a point for Kos’s faking and he did as good as could be expected after Daley’s cheap shot (He kept daley in control and Kos in control).
As far as the backmount thing, just because you get someones back doesn’t give you the right to just sit there. I’m open to disagreement on this because its such a dominant position, but I don’t want to see a guy get back mount in minute one and then sit there for two minutes before going for the sub in the 4th minute.
When he was warned Josh was really not active, I mean i assume it was a long way (45 more seconds of that) before a standup so I think it was a fine warning.
As far as the backmount thing, just because you get someones back doesn’t give you the right to just sit there. I’m open to disagreement on this because its such a dominant position, but I don’t want to see a guy get back mount in minute one and then sit there for two minutes before going for the sub in the 4th minute.
Bunk.
Big John summarized it best after the Couture-Sylvia fight. You should never stand a fight up when someone is in full mount or has back control. EVER.
Those are the two most dominant positions in grappling and should never be taken away from a fighter for the sake of entertainment. To do so would completely undermine the legitimacy of the sport and put MMA on the road to becoming ‘sports entertainment’.
in Couture Sylvia, Randy was working for the choke and Sylvia was effectively defending, but obviously one slip up and the fights over. There was a moment in the kos fight where kos didn’t seem to be doing anything, he wasn’t working for a choke, he was just sitting there.
Look if the position is so dominant then how hard is it to do something form it? The rules say you have to stay active, Dan prodded him to and he started working. If you literally can’t do anything even when prodded then there isn’t much hope for you.
I LOVE ME SOME KOS!
All the hype to sell fights is cool but what Daley did was dispicable.
Hold off on Dana's declarations
I’m not sure on Daley and Kimbo yet until its official…Dana is an emotional guy and might backtrack on these things…
He might say for instance “You know, I really was going to cut Paul, but he came to me and….blah…blah”
To be honest yes its a cheap shot, its bad, its bad for the sport, but we’ve seen the same sort of stuff in other sports so I don’t think daley deserves a lifetime ban unless he has had other incidents I don’t know about.
I don’t think Dana will backtrack on cutting Daley. He might backtrack on the ‘lifetime’ ban two or three years from now, but he won’t backtrack on cutting him.
In regards to Kimbo, I haven’t seen Dana make it official anyway. People are reporting it as a sure thing but he seems to hedging bets with a ‘probably’ in most interviews. He might have skipped the ‘probably’ in a few interviews, but that could just be an oversight on his part.
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