Quote of the Day - Alistair Overeem: "They Can Test Me All They Want"
by Anton Tabuena on May 4, 2010 9:25 AM EDT
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"People will always speculate. I will be tested just like anybody else and like I’ve said before I weighed 235lbs in no time when I did not have to cut weight. Gaining 10lbs a year by lifting weights isn’t a big problem. Before I would cut between 22lbs-26lbs to get to the 205lbs weight limit. It was crazy. Now that I can eat and do not have to cut anymore(with his move to heavyweight division) it was easy to put on the extra muscle weight. I feel great…People are just jealous…I don’t see or hear any of these types of accusations towards Brock Lesnar yet he is even bigger than I am. They can test me all they want. I’ll be in the states soon and I will prove everyone wrong."
--Strikeforce Heavyweight Champion, Alistair Overeem, responding to all the steroid accusations he's been getting.
His bout against Brett Rogers will be the first time he fights, and gets tested, in American soil after defeating Paul Buentello back in 2007 to win the title. While Overeem sounds confident of passing these tests, Rogers' manager has said that Olympic style blood testing might be involved for this bout.
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The testing will only matter if he isn’t expecting it. Who cares if he knows it’ll be x days before the fight? He can plan for it.
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 4, 2010 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
Not if it's blood testing, which is apparently an option.
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by lowellthehammer on May 4, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Olympic style blood testing would be random
And I know at least CA can do random testing; anyone know if the Missouri AC can too?
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People did accuse Lesnar of being a roider actually, and he’s not even the one that used to fight at 205.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
What weight did Lesnar wrestle in the NCAAs?
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HW. he’s always been huge. he was a good deal more shredded during his time in WWE than in college or now, but that doesn’t mean much. There are plenty of non-roid ways to appear more cut for a short period of time that aren’t conducive to good cardio. who knows tho
I have little doubt that Brock was using during his WWE days. It’s almost impossible to maintain that kind of physique while living on the road 300 days a year. Eating shitty food, having to find a different gym every day, spending hours driving to the next town, getting banged up in the ring, etc. 100% of those guys have to resort to pharmaceutical help just to keep going.
However, I don’t give a shit what Brock did while he was in the WWE. All I care about is what he is doing now, and I see no reason to believe he is still using.
Everyone assumes Brock used while in WWE.
What ppl don’t realize is that there are a lot of supplements that someone can pick up at GNC to get big. Many or most of those supplements would be deemed illegal in pro sports. You don’t have to take steroids to get big and ripped. There are plenty of legal PED’s to use.
I don’t think Brock took steroids to get big. He was already big.
I think he took them to recuperate from the daily wear-and-tear of the pro wrestling business. Most of the steroid users in the WWE, and pro sports in general, aren’t taking them to become huge vascular monsters. They are taking them to reduce the amount of downtime they have to deal with because of injuries.
and Bobby Lashley wrestled at 165 in college
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i actually think Bobby Lashley is the most ridiculous looking out of everyone. Allistair may have extra flesh to his face these days, but Lashley’s head doesn’t even look human
Lashley looks like a ninja turtle.
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by Pandanus on May 4, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
heh
I remember my girlfriend walking up behind me when there was a pic or fanshot of lashley on here and asked what was wrong with his head, why was it so small
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idk, it was that picture of him standing at the top of the ramp with his arms extended out; his head did look pretty tiny in that pic
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He looks like Wayne Brady in a muscle suit.
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by AJB on May 4, 2010 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions
and Bobby Lashley wrestled at 165 in college
Actually it was 185, but yeah, still a huge amount of growth. I agree he looks quite unnatural.
Lesnar, on the other hand, I believe wrestled at 285 in college. Even if he might have ‘roided in the WWE, he’s still just a freakish athlete and naturally gigantic.
I love this little game we play. If you saw Alistair in your local gym you wouldn’t doubt for a second that he was taking roids. We know it. He knows it. Of course he’s going to continue to deny it, and as long as he continues he won’t be fighting much in the US.
And what does a roid user look like? Josh Barnett? His physique could very well be a combination of great genetics and hard work ethic. Don’t forget, he’s a professional athlete who has the advantage of training at all times of the day. Innocent until proven guilty.
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in response to bringing up Barnett not looking it
that’s very common. if you start out looking like a pudgy-ish/athletic-ish guy, and you don’t lift tons of weight while on roids, just train and moderately roid-up, you’re not gonna look a whole lot different, just a bit more muscular.
it’s not about what a guy looks like at a single point in time, it’s the massive muscle gain with zero fat gain, and facial changes of guys like Overeem and Lashley, that many people are going to find unnatural.
I’ll reserve judgement til i see a test or obviously ducked test, but it’s damn hard to put on that much pure muscle mass without any fat coming along with it
mir only put on 20 pounds and had a lot of fat to convert into muscle. he was also doing a shitload of pure powerlifiting with Mark Philippi, former World’s Strongest Man finalist and national powerlifting champion. that being said, some could say that Mir also had some cranial changing, but i’ve thought his head was always kinda weird lookin’. i also wouldn’t be surprised if it somehow come out that many guys who have never been accused were using at some point. it’s the nature of the beast
I meant to say that it’s easy for some guys to put on muscle naturally. Plus Ubereem has only put about 20lbs on and then peaked same as Mir. With Mir in mind we ought to be more mindful about trashing Alistair.
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Considering how quickly Mir put on that muscle, I have to think it’s a bit suspicious. The guy went from being like 245 to having to cut at least 10 lbs. to get down to 265. He put on 30 lbs. of pure muscle in 5 months. You don’t think that’s at least a tiny bit suspicious?
Nope...
245 was the lowest Mir functioned at in the HW division. His weight then jumped b/c of a whole new diet and conditioning program. Also it’s important to remember that few are “all natural” in the sense that they only eat traditional food and drink. Most use some type of supplement primarily to repair their bodies. So combine a natural 255(ish) man with world class training and good genetics and expect UBERMIR. A man that weighs about 270-75lbss.
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exactly… Mir is naturally a beefy guy. 255 ish. He was likely back to this weight a couple of days of pigging out after the fight and I think he confirmed it.
Mir’s change likely was all natural. Its not like he did anything crazy you take a big beefy guy who never lifts weights and give him weights for the first time and wala bigger beefier guy.
Yup...
Frank Mir weighed in at 245 for UFC 100 according to the UFC’s own website. That was when he was supposedly in peak fighting shape, pre-weight gain. Gaining 30 lbs. of straight muscle in 5 months (and that’s all it was between the Brock and Kongo fights, 5 months and 1 day) is a hell of a lot. And yes, I’m fully aware that most fighters take legal dietary supplements. Very few things will gain you muscle that fast that aren’t illegal, and even if Mir was taking straight creatine, he’d have to be spending most of his training time just on weights and not on actual fighting, or cardio for that matter (hell, traditional cardio training would actually be detrimental here). It’s at least a tad suspicious.
He was 245 on a diet and staying ripped. That was the leanest Mir we have ever seen. He put on that 10-15 lbs right back on a couple of days later.
Mir did not gain 30 lbs of muscle Lol.
Mir probably gained 15 to 20 pounds of muscle and 10 to 15 lb just mass,fat, or size.
Some people are just built like that. Its just being a beefy guy. I can definiltey understand that as I am one of those beefy guys.
I never touched anything in my life but if I get into the weights for one month I will put on about 10 lbs of muscle and look like I out on 20. Some people just have genetics that react certain ways.
Not saying that Mir couldn’t have possible did anything but just bringing up his weight gain was a natural one.
How does fighting in the US stop anyone from taking PEDS?
The number one state for combat sports, Nevada, never test outside of competition (it can but I have never read of it doing so), even with fighters that have been nailed before. And then when they do test it is a random selection of fighters after the event. So anyone using knows they only have a 50% of being tested and that if they do test it will be the day of the fight (to plan their cycle).
Yeah, we have very stringent anti-doping rules in the US.
Ok.
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by mma is #1 on May 4, 2010 1:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That’s b/c Lesnar was the same size he is now when he was like eight.
And they still make the accusation.
"expect us to take you seriously or think you’re even remotely intelligent?" - Luke Thomas
No dude
People make the accusation because it’s fucking obvious. Lesnar was a shredded 330 during his WWE stint and had barely any body fat. Now that he’s competing in MMA and gets tested regularly, he probably hasn’t juiced at all, but you look at these 2 pics and tell me there’s no difference:
(WWE Brock):
(MMA Brock):
Obviously he’s a genetic freak and has always been a huge dude, but there’s an obvious difference from him in his WWE days and his MMA days. More body fat, a little less muscle, etc etc.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 4, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
it should also be taken in consideration that
those two photos were years apart.
by Anton Tabuena on May 4, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Or that he isn't doing showy weight training any more...
He should be a doing a much greater variety of things…
Not to mention the legal PED's he could have used and gotten from GNC.
Look up supplements like Andro and Hemobolin. They’re pretty much steriods, but legal to use for anyone on the street or wrestling for WWE.
They’re pretty much steriods
No.
They are not.
Look at the clinical studies and you will find the data on the efficacy of steroids is irrefutable. They work. They work fucking great.
The same can not be said of prohormones and other ‘performance enhancers’ found at the local GNC. The best evidence they have in their favor is anecdotal pseudoscience that doesn’t even need to pass peer review or require government approval for their claims.
Andro was taken off the market because it boosted testosterone levelsand acted like a steriod. The chemcial make-up is extremly close to actual steroids. Hemobolin also boost testosterone and was recently taken off the market. I don’t know what prohormone PED you are talking about, but in the early 2000’s Androstene was as close to steroids as one could get. You could even get it in injectable form.
LOL
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Andro was not taken off the market because ‘the chemicial make-up is extremely close to actual steroids’. It was taken off the market because of a highly sensationalized PED witch hunt during the congressional hearings on steroids in baseball. It was a knee-jerk political move, not a medical one.
Andro’s chemical makeup looks nothing like steroids. It is a prohormone that stimulates your body to produce more testosterone on it’s own. It has no androgenic effects on it’s own. Steroids are basically synthetic testosterone and have the opposite effect. They flood your system with so many androgenic compounds that your body stops producing testosterone.
Go take a look at all of the research done on Andro and you will find that most of it was (1) andecdotal (2) not peer reviewed and (3) had serious conflicts of interest [researchers were on the manufacturers payroll. All of the independently conducted, peer reviewed studies on Andro were inconclusive at best.
You sound like you know more about it than me so I’ll take your word for it. I can remember a senator around that time showing the chemical compund of the two. I can also remember him showing teenagers that had broken bones from getting too much muscle too fast(or atleast that’s what he was claiming). Have you heard of hemobolin? Do you know why it was taken off the market? I was told if I took Hemobolin for more than a 3 month period I would stop producing as much testosterone and begin to produce more estrogen(bitch tits). That sounds a lot like the effects of steroids. (not trying to sound sarcastic)
As far as I know both a prohormone and a steroid can produce the same “positive” effects but the former can lead to the negative effects much sooner.
Prohormones
…lead to negative effects sooner due to the ingestion method. It wreaks havoc on your liver and kidneys, and if you drink while on them, it puts even more stress on those vital organs. Steroids, if supervised correctly by a doctor, can be administered with minimal negative side effects.
the MAJOR problem with steroids is that they’re unregulated, which leads to people not cycling correctly, becoming mentally addicted (shit changes the chemical make-up in your brain if you don’t cycle correctly, leading to people doing batshit crazy things).
Steve, you are correct about pro-hormones being a political reaction. Pro-hormones do not at all have a similar make-up to steroids; as stated before, steroids are “manufactured testosterone” pro-hormones are “advanced testosterone boosters”. One boosts testosterone, the other one injects it directly into your body.
by Body Triangle on May 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
and that lifting weights to LOOK good,
and training for MMA affects different sets of muscles.
by Anton Tabuena on May 4, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, you mean I shouldn’t adopt the Aleks Emelienenko weight training program? 100% curls, 100% of the time?
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by AJB on May 4, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar was never 330
IIRC, the WWE always billed him as a 300 pounder +/- 5 pounds. Given the WWE’s propensity to exaggerate heights/weights, I doubt he was much over 290.
That said, I have little doubt he was using. Not because of how he looked, but simply because of the industry he was in. Wrasslin’ is a rough business and all of those guys need pharmaceutical help to maintain their physiques while living out of a suitcase for 300 days a year.
Why you decided to take my joke as serious that he was the same size since he was eight I have no idea, but anyways…
I don’t know that those two pics are “obvious”. I guess at least 3 whole people agree with you. But having a low body fat count isn’t a sure sign of ‘roids. In the WWE, part of the job is your appearance. I’m sure most of them spend time more on their “physique” than in their training and abilities.
But who knows, I guess he could have in the WWE, especially if he had been through injuries and wanted to push through and heal better, etc. If I were him, I don’t know why I would bother though, if I was 300 pounds since I was 16 I don’t think I’d suddenly start ’roiding just b/c I joined the WWE and wanted to look a little more sculpted or put on 10 pounds of muscle.
You wanna see obvious, put up pics of lashley or overeem from a year or two before they ballooned up.
Oh, and don’t quote “stats” listed by the WWE for their fighters as if they are facts please. They are usually about as realistic as their fights.
"expect us to take you seriously or think you’re even remotely intelligent?" - Luke Thomas
And the fights are about as realistic as most of the physiques.
I think there’s enough circumstantial evidence to suggest Lesnar was on the juice while there – a large portion of the people in the company when he was there are known juicers, there was no testing, he was incredibly more cut and defined than he was previous to and after leaving the company and, given the massive amount of travel and the way he wasn’t, by his own account, taking good care of himself on the road all suggest that his look wasn’t natural. But, it was WWE, not real competition, so why should we care?
It’s quite obvious that since he began MMA – with a much higher concentration on cardio and all training tin general than he would have during his pro wrestling days – his body fat percentage has gone up and his muscle definition has fallen off.
The guy is a freak of nature, not a freak of chemistry. Steroids don’t give you the kind of strength and athleticism he has. However, it’s ostrich behaviour to say he didn’t juice while in WWE.
He probably was juicing a bit, but he’s stated he doesn’t lift weights anymore, so that probably explains some of the weight loss, although perhaps not the loss of definition. Maybe he just needs a tan?
by The Darkness on May 4, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
How come when I said that Cyborg Santos was ‘clearly doing something’ because she is built like a dude, I almost got kicked off of here? There are a hundred posts where people are clearly claiming that Lashley, Lesnar, and Overeem are all def on the juice. I don’t want them kicked off, btw, I’m just curious why me…oh well.
People who think he roids won't be convinced by a passed test
so what’s the point in arguing?
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by Excelsior! on May 4, 2010 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
some won’t, but if he starts passing various ones consistently, many will
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I don't think so
once a fighter gains a stigma, they’re stuck with it. How much mass did Mir gain between the Lesnar and Kongo fight? Like 20 lbs in less than 8 months? No one accuses him of roiding. But since someone compared photos of Alistair at various weights (each photo getting bigger), he is automatically a roider. People judge him cause he’s cut, which is a double standard imo, ‘cause Alistair and Kongo have similar physiques and weights if I’m not mistaken and only one of them gets called a “steroid bully” by managers trying to protect their cash cows.
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by Excelsior! on May 4, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cheick Kongo doesn’t fight anywhere near 265, he’s one of those guys that has great genetics and fights (I think) around 230, 240 max.
Alistair fights around 245
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
Dream 12 he weigh in a 253, which is closer to 245 than 265
actually
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
I think with Mir you saw what an athlete in that weight area can do…even he said he maxed out about there and couldn’t put on more weight even though he was trying.
I don’t think everyone judges him b/c he is cut, we see a lot of cut guys in MMA and a lot of big guys in MMA (can’t speak for people out of mma making off hand comments) but when we see guys like Overeem and Lashley that have put on a lot of muscle mass and truly look different in a short time, then we have some concerns.
"expect us to take you seriously or think you’re even remotely intelligent?" - Luke Thomas
To be fair
it did take a few years for Alistair to balloon up to as big as he is now, and do any of us even know how long it took Lashley to get as big as he is in between the time he wrestled in college and when everybody first saw him in the WWE?
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five, six days???
I dont’ have the time lines for either guy nailed down. But I feel better seeing a guy like Brock who wrestled in college and before as a HW and has stayed consistent in size than I do about guys ballooning up at all. I’d expect to see something like Mir, where they max out on what they can put on. But everybody is different. If he is passing surprise tests and all that, then great. I dont understand these fighters myself, I’d go in voluntarily for a blood test to show I was clean If I were them.
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But what if they're superstitious/believe needles take away their strength?
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Allistar fights more than anybody in the UFC/Stikeforce combined. I am not saying he doesn’t Juice because there is no way for me to know. He fights the best competition in K1 and maybe a little softer competition in Dream. Dude likes to fight and that is why he isn’t in North America. He trains with some very high quality Kickboxers a lot, he has to be in good shape.
He just looked really skinny at 205!
Kongo has an equally Impressive frame and (maybe a little smaller than Overreem) but noone really says much about him.
by newfiewaterboy on May 4, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that some of the problem with the accusations is that most people have no idea what the human body can do. I don’t even know. Is it normal for someone to gain 20lb of muscle in 8 months if they have professional trainers and nutrition experts? What is normal if someone busts their ass and eats right and works out with a strength trainer every day?
no
lie detector tests are rarely ever permissible in a court of law anymore
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Sherk took one after he tested positive!
The cup of water that tested positive at the same time as him refused, however. Suspicious.
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Who cares if he is on the gear or not?
Being able to pass the tests is all that really matters.
by MMAussie on May 4, 2010 1:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This
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by Neil Manich on May 4, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its a game
And the guys that play it right don’t fail tests
Listen up fools…
Overeem right now is walking around at about 260 in 2010. He is 6’5". He had been having noticeable gas tank problems since the very first fight with Lil Nog because he’d be walking around at 220-225 and have to cut down to 203, leaving him drained as FUCK. And this is when he did ZERO weight training, and was 24 years old. Your frame is not near filled out at age 24, especially when you don’t weight train and cut weight to make 203. If you look at his fights from that time period, Overeem clearly had a huge frame, he just avoided weight training so he could make the cut to 203 as easily as possible. As he got older and naturally larger, the weight cut got even more strenuous and was draining the shit out of him, seriously hindering his cardio and performance, so he said “fuck cutting” and fought at Heavyweight for the first time after the first Shogun loss, won that HW fight, then moved back down to 203 and lost 3 consecutive fights to Lil Nog, Shogun, and Arona with CLEAR stamina problems.
A 6’5" guy looking like this after a 20 lb weight cut, with NO weight training, with his collar bones poking out, looked hardly filled out.
After that he decided to make the permanent move to heavyweight because he just couldn’t handle the cut to 203 anymore, so at the summer of 2007 he was about 225 naturally for this fight.
In February of 2010, he’d been lifting and eating properly, filling his body out to about 260 pounds. That’s a 32 month span from his permanent move to Heavyweight, which is about 35 pounds in 32 months. That’s 1.09 lbs PER MONTH, which is a very healthy, steady, legitimate gain obvious to anyone who knows an ounce about nutrition, health, and bodybuilding. 1.09 lbs per month is not unrealistic at ALL, especially when you see his diet and lifting as proof he’s doing the right things.
If you wanna blame anyone for roiding based on “muscle gain”, blame Frank Mir, who supposedly gained “about 20 pounds of lean muscle” in FIVE MONTHS.
Overeem will test clean.
by carpiverson on May 4, 2010 2:49 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Your body imposes limitations on muscle mass gain and to work against these are extremely difficult without steroids. This is not the same as losing fat or even weight for that matter. Gaining 35 lbs of solid muscle is quite hard no matter what the timeframe.
Let’s put it into perspective. Overeem is a full time MMA fighter, NOT a weight lifter. Yet his physique is not a fighters physique. It does not represent how he looked as he was not a big guy coming into MMA. He doesn’t spend every waking hour lifting weights. He has to train like a fighter trains, and that’s not the end result of a fighters training regime.
We’ve seen this over and over. From Mark McGuire, who WAS a big dude, Canseco, Alex Rodriguez, the list goes on and we can go into many other sports.
If it looks too good to be true, it is.
by ndf on May 4, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't put pump fuel into a jet plane.
Under optimal conditions (read: bulking phase, high protein/ calorie diet, minimal cardio exercise & high weight/ low rep compound powerlifting), the human body can naturally put on .25- .5 lbs of dry muscle a week, and that only takes about 25% of the weight he’d be gaining- 25% would be water, and about 50% would be fat. Now, you take into account the intense cardio training that MMA fighters & kickboxers do, and it makes it very hard to believe that he was able to just put on muscle like crazy the way he did.
Overeem is in a place in the world where steroids aren’t illegal, I don’t get what the problem is. Obviously he has unbelievable genetics, eats like a fucking horse, and trains extremely hard, but I’ve talked to many guys who have a ton of experience and knowledge regarding bodybuilding/ steroids/ etc, and it’s simply not possible for someone to pack on straight muscle as fast as he did while maintaining single digit body fat % and maintain elite level cardio without AAS’s. I’ve written about this before.
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by ElliotMatheny on May 4, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I am a bodybuilder myself and it is very easy to bulk at the same time as doing cardio when your diet is right, which his is. In his case, he is not trying to cut or trying to maintain single-digit body fat percentages, it’s a side effect of his MMA training. As long as he feeds his body properly, it is 100% perfectly do-able to bulk up while maintaining cardio and stamina.
by carpiverson on May 4, 2010 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn’t require hours of lifting every day. An hour or less at the very most doing core lifts is what is effective.
1.09 lbs/month is NOT a ridiculous gain rate when someone is training seriously.
by carpiverson on May 4, 2010 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It seems like you know what you’re talking about and I’ve been accused of using steroids because of how easy it is for me to put on muscle, so I’ve got some sympathy for Ubereem, rec’d.
by The Darkness on May 4, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I’m a lot shorter (5’ 10") and can go from 165 to 182lbs fairly easily in 3 months [> 5lbs a month]. That’s with No PED or supplements. Just two, hour-long weight training sessions a day, 3 times a week and make sure I eat regularly [every 3-4 hours].
I’m not defending anyone, but at the same time Overeem’s weight gain isn’t anything out of the ordinary when you take into account; athlete, height, training and body type.
A Professional football player of the same height could lose 30-50 lbs of muscle if they stopped weight training. He could easily gain it back again by continuing with his weight training program. I think Lesnar lost 40lbs [link] while he was sick and unable to train. Are people going to accuse him of using steriod when he’s gained that weight back? I doubt it.
by higgledy-piggledy on May 7, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, if you do gain weight to move up in weight class, or simply don’t cut and keep your body at it’s natural weight you DON’T look like a super-ballooned cartoon character version of your extremely cut up lighter version. You looked bulked up and bigger, but not like that.
We’ve seen alot of fighters go into heavier classes, retaining some bulk to do it. They didn’t look like Overeem. His physique is extreme.
Just look at natural bodybuilders, who are themselves often coming off of steroid cycles. Not even they can retain that physique. Then look at the roided bodybuilders. it’s quite obvious people.
Alistair still sorta looks like he MIGHT have not used roids (though, he likely has). His muscle look is still on the edge of what a few (mostly black people) can genetically get with training. And he did drop a lot of weight for 205 constantly.
Anyone thinking Lesnar didn’t do roids is a moron… its WWE for christs sake, and LOOK at the guy, it’s so obvious…. You don’t get that way from freak genetics, you get that way from roids… the entire structure of his muscles in the WWE screams of roids. I’d think it likely he hasn’t done roids since his MMA career BUT naturally he’s still a roid monkey when it comes to where he got his muscles in the first place. Just check out how he looks in his NCAA videos and compare for yourself.
I’d rather have roids not be in the sport… but since they’re there I wouldn’t mind having roidmonkeys fight eachother.
no need for athletic comissions.
LOOK at the guy, it’s so obvious…. You don’t get that way from freak genetics, you get that way from roids…
by Anton Tabuena on May 4, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I love Overeem's argument..... LOL!!!!
Basically he says, “There are other huge ppl in the world, so it’s obvious that I’m not doing steroids cause I can be big too.”
WTF? he’s a tard. Everyone is accusing him because he blew up like a damn balloon. Why not just keep saying “I will test clean, I have always tested clean.”
. . .& obviously "everyone's" argument is a lot better?
WTF? he’s a tard. Everyone is accusing him because he blew up like a damn balloon.
by higgledy-piggledy on May 7, 2010 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Quick Translation:
Overeem: “They can test me all they want.”
Translation: “The shit I’m doing now is so good, they don’t even know to test for it. Suckers.”
by McEwen on May 4, 2010 8:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Most people are very naive about professional athletes and the chemicals they use. There are so many drugs and so many masking agents that it becomes very difficult to catch anyone that wants to use it and knows there will be a test. If you truely believe that this guy isnt using anything then Im sure you still expect santa to come down your chimney at christmas as well. The change in bone structure in his face is the ultimate tell tale sign of GH use. His face didnt get older it actually changed structure, not muscle not fat but bone!!! It grew into a new shape to become similar to the structure of a cromagnum man.
The change in bone structure in his face is the ultimate tell tale sign of GH use. His face didnt get older it actually changed structure, not muscle not fat but bone!!! It grew into a new shape to become similar to the structure of a cromagnum man.
Please post a side by side comparison pictures to illustrate the scientific point you are trying to make. It would be interesting to see the change in bone structure you claim.
by higgledy-piggledy on May 7, 2010 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions
What bothers me is that journalists (lets call them that), like Rogan (or even the guy in the red shirt from the Rogers interview) just plain say that Overeem is on steroids. Without proof to back it up. In most other sports a commentator saying an athlete is on roids without proof would result in a chain of lawsuits.
Here's my stand,
He is not DEFINITELY on roids. because we’re DEFINITELY not sure of anything… basing it on how he looks and using that as a ‘fact’ that he takes steroids is just dumb.
by Anton Tabuena on May 4, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Well maybe if he wasn’t on them he would file a lawsuit.
by xbuckeyex05 on May 4, 2010 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HA HA, answer this question?
Do you still beat your wife?
by higgledy-piggledy on May 7, 2010 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Well maybe if he wasn’t on them he would file a lawsuit.
?
by higgledy-piggledy on May 8, 2010 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I think many of you would be surprised how much muscle you can gain if you add a serving of Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass (1250 cals/s) to your daily diet and went to the gym 4 days a week and performed basic bench/press/deadlift/squat.
I’m 4 weeks into my spring bulk and i’ve already put on 7 pounds and that’s with only working out an hour a day. Calories and a good work ethic do wonders. Add in some great genetics and I don’t see anything abnormal about overeems growth.
That is the problem, people don't 'think'.
I think that is the problem with a lot of people, they don’t think before accusing people of anything. I’m not defending Overeem either, but from experience I don’t see what the big deal is in his weight gain considering he’s an athlete, he lifts weights, his height etc.
There are many natural & legal methods to gain that kind of muscle. Until he gets busted for drugs, I for one will not just libellously make accusations about anyone.
It’s as ridiculous as having people say you beat your child because he broke his leg at home. You could have beat him, but there’s a multitude of other possibilities that could explain how his leg was broken.
by higgledy-piggledy on May 7, 2010 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Say what you want about how he “looks”. The reality is, I feel like it’s safe to say that the majority of people here, (majority of people in general) don’t know what it’s like to be a super star athlete, train 8 hours a day, and live the lifestyle that these guys live. You have no idea what kind of training and diet program he is on.
We can all speculate, but until this guy tests positive, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.
by WestbergIDFC on May 4, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Alistair Overeem
Genetically modified to fuck your girlfriend.
by Body Triangle on May 4, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You should just give the full quote
“Alistair Overeem is a Dutch kickboxer who looks like someone at Marvel comics drew a man genetically engineered to fuck your girlfriend. "
I think it is pretty possible that he took roids at one time, but it would be stupid it continue at this point. If he tests clean that is good enough for me. I think a lot of the suspicion is out of jealousy. Most people simply don’t have the time, or work ethic to get these gains. So if you and I can’t do it that must mean that someone else that can is on roids? Thats just unfair. Some people are just genetic freaks.
all drugs should be legalized
people should have the right to do whatever they want to their bodies….
Heroin and crack sammiches for everyone!
I'm the best ever. You're the most average in a minute.
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by slapjaw ackrite on May 5, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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