UFC 114 Shows Again That Three Rounds Just Ain't Enough for a Headliner
by Nate Wilcox on May 31, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
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From the Jordan Breen Show (by way of Fight Opinion):
JORDAN BREEN: "I think most people are content with Evans winning because Rampage looked so blasé but I thought to me it was another of those fight that reflected, I mean... if Evans was the better man, I think he probably would have won those next rounds and if Rampage did have the ability to knock him out, I want to see it. It just seems like another one of those fights that reinforces, these are guys that should be fighting five rounds in total especially where one of the narratives going into the fight is, ‘Oh, Rashad's breaking down Rampage." Well if he's going to break him down, I want to see him break down. Give me rounds four and five. It seems a bit weird to have a fight this big... Dana White made it explicit that the winner, now Rashad Evans, is going to fight Mauricio Shogun Rua later this year. It seems just wrong to have this be three rounds. It seems anti-climatic and all too entirely short for a fight of this magnitude."MARC LAIMON: "Yeah, I agree. I mean, I kept making the mistake thinking this was a five round fight and I was like, oh man they're getting close on time. And I was like, it was only three rounds and I was like, oh man. Yeah, I did feel kind of jipped. You know like I kept thinking this was a five round fight, five round fight, and I was like, oh no, it's only 15 minutes. It's... I really would have liked to seen what would have transpired those last two rounds."
JORDAN BREEN: "Yeah, and obviously there then comes the issue and this is the thing that I brought up with Keith Kizer basically said, well when we go back and look at changing things in Nevada we're going to sort of allow these promotions to petition us and say we would like this to be a five-round fight and then we know that there's always going to be an issue of what fights become five round fights and you know where do you draw the line. And again with Zuffa, this is a card where the main event on a UFC card is still normally a title fight and this ended you know basically five minutes before you know five to seven minutes before they would have gone off on PPV. So, I mean there are time considerations for PPVs but it seems like absolutely, a title eliminator that Dana White explicitly says the winner's of this fight is going to be fighting a title, surely that has to be the most appropriate step down from an actual title fight. I mean, it's the natural step below it, surely if anything that's the kind of fight that we can get behind for 25 minutes."
I felt far less frustrated by this three round main event than I did by the UFC 108 Rashad Evans vs Thiago Silva fight because I felt the outcome had been more definitively decided. Rashad's knock down of Rampage in the first and his ability to not only survive the big punch in the third, but end the round with another take down told me that he was the better man. That was far less clear against Thiago Silva.
Either way, put me firmly in the camp that strongly favors five round headliners for major events, regardless of whether it's a title fight or not.
Josh Gross and Frank Trigg have an interesting Twitter debate on the issue as well.
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not for Dryhump fests
Only if the fights exciting
what?
When do you decide, then? Who decides?
You’ve got to be kidding.
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by some schmuck in texas on May 31, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Gray Maynard and Jon Fitch don't deserve 5 round fights unless they get a title shot.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
by SSreporters on May 31, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ALL main events should be 5 rounds, and Dana should change his stance after this fight
The chances of:
a) Rampage knocking Evans out, OR
b) Evans continuing to overpower Rampage,
are BOTH worth the risk of having 2 extra boring rounds, no question about it. Either way, there would have been a definitive winner rather than the argument one guy “ran out the clock.”
Adding 2 more rounds doesn’t affect the people who found the first 3 rounds boring because they were bored anyway. So by adding 2 more rounds, you either get a finish or you get one guy cementing his dominance over the other.
Also, keep in mind people starting booing earlier because they started to realize the clock was running out and Rampage had almost no time to alter the course of the fight. If you extend the fight, the drama of “what’s going to happen next?” goes up because Rampage has more time to find a way to finish. Worst case scenario is Rashad simply cements his dominance, which earns him more respect even if it doesn’t earn him more fans.
Hopefully Dana reconsiders his position on 5 round non-title fights and makes ALL main events mandatory five rounders. I can count on one hand the number of main events that I wished were shorter. The main event is 50% of the appeal of most fight cards to people, give the fans more of the fight they came to see.
I don't want 5 rounders for every non-title main event
Liddell/Franklin is one of them because two fighters who have gotten violently knocked out frequently in the last year or two don’t deserve an extra two rounds to further damage their brain cells. In their prime? Hell yes.
UFC needs to look at using the 5 round non-title fights starting with their New Year’s Card and see what happens. I’d love to see it happen.
To summarize:
Rampage/Rashad = 5 Rounds plz.
Guida/Sanchez (Spike headliner but as an example) = 5 rounds plz
Couture/Coleman = 3 rounds
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
Dana has already been on record saying he doesnt support 5 round non title fights
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
But he will manufacture "Interim Titles" to produce 5-round fights.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
You have a point.
But, manufacture Interim titles is a lil harsh. Brock was in limbo due a serious medical condition. I cant off the top of my head point out any interim title that wasnt justifiable.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
i guess I didnt realize that.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
True
but the fight wasn’t until March 27. They could have done away with it once they knew they didn’t need it but they chose not to.
And that would piss off the people that were fighting in that fight, the people who were going to that fight, the people sponsoring the people to be in that fight, and several other people.
You can’t just change a bout to a non-title fight after it is announced and expect the fighters to not be upset. It’s one thing if someone misses weight and the commission won’t sanction it as a title fight, but just changing your mind would piss people off.
That's a good point.
I guess I just hate the interim title thing. I understood the need for it in this instance but I’m not a fan of it.
sometimes it needs to be done. The fighters need belts to strive for, and the people want to see belts. I think they jumped the gun with declaring this one a title fight (especially since Brock got the clean bill of health a few weeks later) but once it was done, sticking with it was the right course of action.
I’d really like to see headliners go five rounds. Wandy/Franklin, Silva/Evans, Nog/Couture and this fight are all good examples of close, exciting fights that I wish had gone 5.
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions
30 seconds.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
by SSreporters on May 31, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sure! Do it. Maybe Vera could’ve gotten off another hard shot and dropped Randy in another 10 minutes. Or maybe Vera shouldn’t be headlining…hmm.
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Randy would've just overpowered him for 2 extra rounds
While Vera fails to pull the trigger.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
I’m almost certain that would be the case. See my second point.
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Vera probably is about one more fight away from not belonging in the UFC.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
Yeah, you’re right. He’s getting paid a lot to lose this often. It’s too bad he’s gone this way. Maybe he should fight Diabate. Two strikers enter, one striker leaves. Should please the anti-wrestling contingent, as well as myself.
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Two strikers enter.....one actually pulls the trigger.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
You got me. It’s a setup! I want to see the Snake knock some fools out!
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, by that logic, Vlad Matyushenko could be a headliner…
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You keep saying that word...
I don’t think that means what you think it means.
by Doc Martin 28 on May 31, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And I don’t think you know what’s going on here:)
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Mainly because Jones beat him like a drum.
Vera barely won a second of that fight. The only time he hurt him it involved an illegal upkick.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
I whole heartedly agree that fights should be longer. Yes, main events (Chuck and Wanderlei!), but others as well. All title eliminators? Fights where both guys are in the top 5 in their weight class?
I know that the nightmare is extended hugging and humping, but that’s a separate issue (not enough incentive to finish fights).
Of course, we should factor in that part of the reason that these 3-rounders were exciting is because they weren’t pacing themselves as much…
Use all ten points.
Off topic
Not enough incentive for finishing fights?
The win seems pretty sufficient to me.
by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One of my over-arching theories of MMA is that the higher ranked fighters have more to lose than they do to win, so they don’t try to finish because it’s riskier. This is especially true of top-control guys. KOS described the pressure of wanting to win, get the title shot, and get the TUF spot as dictating a very conservative game plan. I’m not saying that that’s not a legitimate way to compete, but that the fights would be more interesting to watch if there was more to win by finishing than by decision.
This is also why I think the WEC guys are more exciting: They can make their mark professionally by f’ing people up, especially because their weight classes are in such flux. But guys that have been around for a while and have finished people in the past have little incentive to win spectacularly. As long as they win, they are still in the picture. If they lose, they may be cut or dropped to the undercard (depending on a lot of other things, of course), not to mention that getting blasted a couple times might cause you serious health problems and the inability to fight.
Use all ten points.
nice post MasonA
The only exception to your point would be Wanderlei Silva. I guess, there is credence to the old saying “fat and happy”. I wont hold it against a guy if he uses his skills to win a fight, not all fights are Zombie V Garcia. But, at the same time, lets try to prevent more Shamrock V Severn type fights. I believe this trend is only going to continue. The better training and scouting of opponents is going to force fighters to fight conservative game plans in lieu of the win. I think out of respect to Shad, had he stood toe 2 toe with Page, he was going to sleep. I really dont think any rule changes can prevent the hug fests. The only legit way to stem the tide of man on man hugging would be for Zuffa to implement some sort of performance penalty. Based on the expectations going into the fight. But, even that line of thinking is flawed.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
thanks for your kind words. You’re probably right about the Chuck/Wanderlei fight. It probably would have shortened one of their careers if they’d gone on longer. And, of course, there’s a difference between wanting more rounds because the fight was just getting warmed up and wanting more rounds because it’s freaking awesome.
I guess I’d argue that Rashad may have been able to finish Rampage on the ground eventually (and if he couldn’t he’s not “fighting” he’s “waiting for people to come break up the fight”). But in the current rules/organizational structure, why shouldn’t he avoid damage and get a title shot? He still did do some cool things (as alluded to in others articles) in terms of keeping Rampage off-balance, but on some level, he’s playing neutral-zone-trap hockey, zone-defense basketball, inside-run-for-3.5-yards football, or the like. In short, he’s making it a low-scoring (in this case “damage”) game.
I think the UFC has the incentive to discourage this kind of thing by either making fights long enough that a finish becomes inevitable (not bloody likely) or making the incentives for finishes much higher. [This also, hopefully, would eliminate a lot of the controversial decisions that we see.] I think length could/should be part of the picture as well (decisions were instituted for when the guys were so exhausted they could barely continue, not so guys could run out the clock).
Use all ten points.
More toward your last post.
The thing I liked about the Page v Shad fight is. Shad took advantage of the situation, worked enough to win and defended himself for the most part from really getting hurt. In my eyes, that’s smart, effective and good for the long term. Page on the other end, just came for a fight, he didnt show any tactical strategy or impliment any game plan. So, in the end, love it or hate it, Shad won. Page let emotion and adreniline control him, Shad was calculated and precise with his plan. If I could compare the two guys to a sports team. I’d say Shad was like the Colts and Page was like the Titans. Shad, picked apart Page with speed and wrestling, whereas Page was looking for the hail mary, trying to land the big shot. Page could have won this fight had he used more then his hands. I think Page with leg kicks and some takedown attempts can be a brutal combo. Page is already one of the strongest LHW’s alive, combine that with some new technique, and Dude is a contender again.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
If promoters are allowed to decide the rules under which individual fights will be fought that leaves to much room for the promoters to manipulate the results.
that's true
hadn’t thought of that. But they also pick the match-ups, which dictates who gets title shots, so that GSP and KOS have fought, but only in a 3-rounder up until now. Not that it’s a big deal.
I can see why it would add complexity to matchmaking.
Use all ten points.
I think it would take a good fight off the card.
The distinction between title and non title fights would be skewd. I like it the way it is. Just because, Shad was able to use the rules and his strategy to his favor, doesnt mean we need to change the rules. Otherwise, just make all fights 5 rounds or 3 rounds.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Considering the UFC now airs 2 prelims for free before most PPV cards the whole “I want to see more fights” argument seems bunk. I’m sorry, but I do not understand how any MMA fan would rather have the chance of seeing Shannon Gugerty and Matt Wiman fight than another two rounds of any legitimate UFC event. (Not to mention that five round fights GASP get finished and allow fights to be shown afterward!)
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well I agree it wouldn’t know anything of the card. They can put on as many fights as they like. I just don’t get why this fight seems to have risen to the level of demanding a 5 round fight. Evans controlled the the vast majority of the fight. He fought his fight and it was a winning plan. It always seems that people want to change things up when they dont get the outcome they are looking for.
by bloody bill on May 31, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
There are some fights where a 5 round would add to the fight
But I don’t think this is one of them Rampage was obviously gassed.
Going into the fight I said:
Rampage will win the fight. he may not be winning the whole fight, but at somepoint Rampage will rock Evans and he will finish. He won’t sit there gassed and watch him recover like Silva did
I guess I couldn’t have been more wrong.
Evans had lots of gas left, Rampage had none. The 4th and 5th rounds wouldn’t have changed anything, allthough they would hav increased the odd of a finish.
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by Postpubescent on May 31, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I also felt this fight should’ve definitely been five rounds, this is something I thought long before the fight started and not only during/afterwards as some comments seem to imply.. you have two former, recent champions going at it in a waaaay hyped-up main event to decide the next title challenger, I mean come on! I don’t think all main events automatically should be five rounds, but this is in my opinion a perfect example of a fight that should have been. They need to drop the rule of only 5 rounds for title fights, and make it so for a few select main events that clearly deserves it. That’s how I feel anyway, strongly so.
Yeah, I exaggerated a bit above, but it seems like a fight that’s FOR something, should have more of a chance of a decisive ending. Unfortunately, I don’t think finishing percentages are any better the longer a fight goes on. I just hate to see a big fight look unfinished, unless the outcome doesn’t appear at all in doubt.
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The best part about saturdays fight is;
It leaves open the door for a rematch. I know, some might not be too thrilled about that idea right away. But, give Page some time to focus and recommit himself to training, and allow Shogun to KO Shad and maybe a year or two down the road we have a situation where a rematch is a valid option. Maybe next time, it’s a 5 round fight, Page as champ and Shad is his first defense. I can see it happening, and would actually be interested to watch.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Yeah, there’s still some unfinished business there, though I was impressed with Rashad, so here’s hoping you’re right. And yeah, I think Rashad is in serious trouble against Shgoun, though he’ll likely look better than he did against Machida. Probably end up the same way.
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I have always been a Rashad doubter and he keeps proving me wrong time after time. Unless Rampage dedicates himself to full time fighting he is for the most part irrelevant. He will always have that knockout power but the sport is changing and his game is not changing with it. He will have a hard time getting the top of the division to stand in the center and trade.
by bloody bill on May 31, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
finishing percentages
go way up the longer a round goes. Maybe 7.5 minute rounds are the answer?
Use all ten points.
I’d at least LOVE a ten minute round to start with. Let the fight happen as naturally as possible, then switch to short rounds afterward.
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
3 rounds were plenty to decide who was the better fighter in both the UFC 108 and UFC 114 ME’s. People keep talking about Thiago’s barrage in the third but keep forgetting that he had nothing left and Rashad was recovered by the end. 2 More rounds would have been more of the same from Rashad that night, just like it would have been against Rampage on Saturday. 5 round fights should only be for the title it makes it special if you can’t do enough in 3 to win you don’t deserve anymore.
If another two rounds is Rashad doing the same thing, then that’s what it is.
This weird anti-five round fight argument would be like arguing certain baseball games should only go 7 innings because it’s the Yankees playing the Pirates.
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The only feasible way to implement this idea is to create a new title or category. i.e.
Super Fight title/ Main Event title. IMO, both are stupid ideas, would I have loved to watch Ice vs Wand go 5 rounds? Hell yeah! Or Diego- Clay? Yep! but, it seems to take away from the title to have non title 5 rounders.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Non-title fights should be four rounds. As long as Judges are prudent in declaring 10-10 rounds when applicable, there is no increased probability of fights ending in draws just because you are using an even number of rounds. If judges only scored 10-9’s, I could see a possible increased number of draws being a prudent argument.
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Call it a Superfight.
Make it 4 rounds. If after 4 rounds the fight is tied 2-2 on the scorecards then go to a 5th round. If it’s 3-1 in favor of a fighter then he wins.
A little elaborate but sure.
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by Postpubescent on May 31, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Something more than 3
but 4 round fights will lead to more draws…unless of course we fix the 10 point scoring mess we’re in. :)
Well
I said in my post that if it’s tied at 2 rounds a piece after 4 then they would go to a 5th and deciding round. No need for a draw.
being a prudent argument..
I mean, being a prudent counter-argument against four-round fights.
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by Postpubescent on May 31, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Three rounds are fine. Rampage had ample time to strike, couldn’t put together a good series until the third, and even then he couldn’t finish Rashad.
What would two more rounds have done? Lowered Rampage’s gas tank even more and just allowed Rashad to lean on him for ten more minutes? No. After three rounds there was no dispute over who the better man was, and isn’t that the goal of every fight?
Id like to see the stat on how many fights have been finished in the fourth or fifth round
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by II SMASH II on May 31, 2010 5:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I have to admit the percentages weren’t too good as I recall. Maybe instead of five rounders, we should just all come and here a bitch about fights left unfinished, and then go on with our day:)
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Only 1 that I can think of off the top of my head for the 4th round.
GSP – Penn from UFC 94. Other than that I’m not sure.
i'll look it up
but you have to take into account that there is no 5th round if it’s finished in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th…meaning there aren’t that many 5th rounds to begin with, and there are a crap load of 1st rounds.
Use all ten points.
GSP
9 title fights (wins and losses):
3 5-round decisions (hardy, alves, fitch)
1 4-round finish (Penn, which wouldn’t have been a stoppage if there wasn’t a fifth round still to come)
3 2nd round finishes (hughes, hughes, serra)
2 1st round finish (serra, hughes)
so:
5 “regulation finishes”
1 “championship round” finish
3 decisions
interestingly, 3 finishes were in the last 15 seconds of a round, one was 3:25 in, and only one (hughes II was early in a round)
Use all ten points.
BJ
10 title fights:
3 decisions (pulver, uno, edgar) (draw loss loss, interestingly)
1 1st round finish
1 2nd round finish
1 3rd round finish
1 3rd/4th round finish (sherk did not answer the bell for 4th round)
1 4/5th round finish (GSP II)
2 5th round finishes
so:
3 "regulation finishes"
4 "championship round" finishes
3 decisions
Use all ten points.
also penn vs. sanchez
was middle of the 5th round
Use all ten points.
check out BJ's record
summarized above. Dude doesn’t do well with the judges. It’s interesting, though. How many of these fights were close before the finish? GSP was killing BJ. BJ was killing Diego, Sherk, and Florian. To justify the extra rounds, I think you have to either argue that the finishes are much more satisfactory and befitting a champion, or that there is are some fights that are in dispute after 3 rounds that get clarified later. GSP’s decisions were all clear cut as well.
Can anyone think of a 5 rounder that swung (Russow/Duffee-like) after the 3rd round?
Use all ten points.
that isn’t relevant because the existence of those extra rounds changes the strategy of the first 3. The relevant number is the percentage of all 5 round fights that are finished compared to the percentage of 3 round fights.
And even just that will not be 100% useful, because as the system currently works, there will be a smaller skill difference in 5 round fights than 3 round fights, so it will be harder to finish a 5 round fight.
not sure exactly who you were replying to.
It’s definitely going to be hard to compare apples-to-apples comparing 5-rounders to 3-rounders because 5-rounders necessarily have champion-level fighters in them, while a lot of 3-rounders are up-and-comers.
What is “the percentage of all 5 round fights that are finished compared to the percentage of 3 round fights” relevant to, exactly?
Use all ten points.
The number of fights finished in the 4th and 5th round doesn’t really do anything to show the benefits of 5 round fights, because 5 round fights can end in the first 3 rounds because it’s a 5 round fight.
The number of fights that end in the 4th and 5th round may be an interesting tidbit, but you need more to see if 5 round fights improve the finishing rate.
hmmm
still not sure what you’re looking for.
GSP beat Karo by 3-round decision. He then lost to Hughes in a title fight at the end of the 1st round. I can see why a 5 round fight with Karo might be more interesting. I don’t think it makes any difference whether the Hughes fight was scheduled for 3 or 5 rounds.
I can’t see any argument that if the Karo fight was scheduled for 5 rounds that it would have likely been finished in the first 3 rounds, can you? If anything, I would think it would be less likely to be stopped in the first 3 rounds.
How about this (GSP, including wins and losses):
GSP in 3 round fights against quality opposition (karo, hieron, mayhem miller, trigg, sherk, penn, koscheck): 3 finishes (sherk, trigg hieron), 4 decisions (karo, miller, penn, KOS)
GSP in 5-round fights: 6 finishes (serra, serra, hughes, hughes, hughes, penn), 3 decisions (hardy, alves, fitch)
Use all ten points.
The way you are looking at GSP makes sense.
I’m saying it doesn’t make sense to say that GSP only finished 1 fight in the championship rounds, so the championships rounds aren’t necessary.
The length of the fight can adjust the strategy, I’m not saying that the GSP Karo fight would have been finished in the first 3 rounds if it was a 5 round fight. But if it was a 5 round fight, the first 3 rounds would not be a carbon copy of the 3 rounds in their fight. The different strategies, may have lead to a finish, it may not have, but to get an accurate understanding of the effect that the extra rounds have, you need to do what you are doing, and look at ALL championship fights, not just the one’s that end in the championship rounds.
Rampage was just too slow.
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by snakecharmer1340 on May 31, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions
Rampage
didn’t know what to do. Looked like he wanted to clinch with him so he dropped his hands down and ate a big right for his trouble.
Rashad just set that set up really nice with the jab.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 31, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
a lot of people ignoring this though. It cuts off before you can see it but I remember him throwing another big right hand as he was running in on him and missing which led to the clinch.
What? He was looking to counter with an uppercut and got clipped.
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Yeah
I see that now. I was mainly paying attention to his left arm but I see with his right that he did throw an uppercut. Which makes it look even worse for Page.
That was a precision bomb Page ate there. Despite his faults, the guy has a superhuman chin.
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Marc Laimon: And I was all like... you know, like, make it like 5 rounds, uhkay.
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I don’t think many people have seen that movie. Best bad movie ever.
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
Both Laimon and Breen are fluent speakers. In fact, part of my man-crush on Breen is his ability to speak like he is writing. Of course, they weren’t perfect in this excerpt, but it’s likely that you’re probably worse! It is strange, the use of “like” in the English language. Catch myself doing it all the time.
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by Postpubescent on May 31, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The Laimon comment is kind of lame.
Of course if you thought there was 2 more rounds coming and it ended at 3 you would be feel that way. Dude you should have known it wasn’t a championship fight considering Shogun was just made champ. Comon!
If they make non-title fights five rounds then what makes title fights special anymore besides a gold plated belt? It will just lead to increasing the size of title fights to seven rounds. Then people will bitch that non-title fights aren’t seven rounds.Before you know it, MMA will have boxing syndrome and we will have 12 round title fights!
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Would like to see 5 rounds for bouts that decide the next title fight but...
I don’t think the Rashad/Rampage fight would have ended any differently. Page looked flat and slow the whole night and totally punched himself out trying to finish Rashad in the 3rd. He didn’t do ANYTHING offensive for the last 3 minutes even after he had Shad hurt. He had nothing left….Rust I guess….
My prediction....PAIN!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps every headliner should be 5 rounds...
At least one 5 rounder on every UFC event, title or not. If it’s big enough to headline, it should be 5 rounds right???
My prediction....PAIN!!!!!!!!!!
So, every time there’s a three-round decision in a main event, someone is clamoring for two more rounds. Sometimes after a five-round decision, there is talk about championship fights being seven rounds…
Unless UFC goes back to the original “fights end by KO, tapout or ref stoppage” format, there will always be fights that end too early for someone’s liking. Deal with it.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jun 1, 2010 2:15 AM EDT reply actions
The only problem I can see is that if non-title five round fights become common, everyone will want to be in five-rounders to show that they’re on the top level, and in the long run it’ll hurt undercard fighters. Sort of like how every boxing fight of any significance is now twelve rounds.
You might say now that you just want five rounds for headliners, but if this gets implemented that’ll only last until the first frustrating co-main event that ends in a decision.
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