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UFC 114 Was Packed With Drama Despite the Complaints From Whining Fans

From the first, Rashad Evans brought the action to UFC 114. Photo via UFC.com

The critics have been pretty unanimous in their reviews of UFC 114. They've been especially hard on Rashad Evans. From our own Mike Fagan immediately after the event:

Bleh. That's pretty much my feeling on the main event. I don't mind that I came out on the wrong end of the fight, but the result just seems so...unsatisfying. Rashad won the fight, there's no denying that, but did he really beat up "Rampage"?

To Kevin Iole:

The fight was a letdown after literally months of over-the-top trash talking from both men. It was a tactical, technical affair that would have been a perfectly acceptable match had it been stuck in the middle of a card somewhere.
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Listening to the booing from an angry crowd that was there to watch someone get concussed, it was almost like being at one of Anderson Silva's recent middleweight title fights.

Our own Leland Roling had a more measured take, but he also channeled the casual fans' frustration.

Once again, I'm completely out of step. Maybe it was all the great food at the first smoke out of the summer, but I was enthralled by the whole card.

Yes, Evans fought a smart and tactical fight that involved dominating Jackson positionally. But he also opened the fight with a cracking right hand that shocked Rampage and sent a message to Quinton that he was in the cage with a prepared and dangerous opponent. That initial shot got my endorphins cranking so much that I didn't object at all to the tactical follow up. 

And in the third Jackson's near KO win had me standing on my feet and roaring for blood. Rampage didn't quite get the finish, but Evans deserves a lot of credit for surviving that.

Even the Bisping-Miller fight was compelling as we shouted at Miller to go for a take down and to stop messing around with the hated Brit.

The Brilz vs Nogueira fight was more than just a controversial decision -- it was also a technical masterpiece that pitted Little Nog's incredible BJJ sweeps against Brilz' amazing top control wrestling. I scored it for Little Nog based on the 10 point must system, but Brilz clearly won the FIGHT with his dominating second round. The 10 point must system just doesn't work for a three round fight. 

And of course, the Mike Russow knock out of Todd Duffee -- taking place only seconds after my buddy Jim loudly announced he was pulling for the seemingly indestructible Chicago Cop -- was one of the most dramatic finishes in MMA history.

Hopefully Duffee will have learned that head hunting is not a strategy. Had he been mixing in some body shots, Russow wouldn't have been a threat in the third round. Duffee might want to consider adding some kicks, take downs or submissions to his arsenal while he's at it.

The fans might not have gotten the bang-fest they wanted from Rashad vs Rampage, but I found the card to be packed with drama, technique, heart and strategy. What more do you want from men fighting in a cage?

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I can understand why people are complaining...

Hathoway use Sanchez as a punching bag, which wasn’t really exciting.

Duffee used Russow as a punching bag, which wasn’t really exciting until the flash KO.

The Bisping / Miller fight was a similar slow paced striking ordeal.

The Brilz / Nog fight was a lot of fun, but people were upset with the decision.

The Rampage / Evans fight didn’t live up to the hype.

I watch the fights with 15 people and enjoyed most of the fights, but I was in the minority.

by truck on May 31, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't get it.

What did people think Rashad was gonna do? He knows Rampage has the heaviest hands in the division..why would he stand and throw bombs with him? Alot of people must’ve lost money on this fight. Once again, Congratulations Rashad..you did what you do best…Win!

by knowone on May 31, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably the best write up I've seen

of UFC 114. I’m tired of the fans whining about this card. It was a great night of fights. Very nice article.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Thanks for bringing BE back Kid Nate!

I really think the way you perceive the main fight has alot to do with who you predicted would win / who you were pulling for. I’m sure there were exceptions – but for those of us (like myself) who predicted Evans would win and were pulling for him, it was a thrilling fight and tactically brilliant. Including Rampages knockdown in the 3rd round.

If you were predicting or hoping for a Rampage KO then you left the fight unfulfilled – alot of foreplay and no orgasm.

by Django Z on May 31, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I strongly disagree with your assesment of Rashads strategy. It was the most obviously route for him to achieve victory. Very little inteligence is needed to deploy a gameplan where you wear out a fighter who’s been away for over a year.

It was the only way Rashad was going to win.

The rest of the card was fairly entertaining though, so it was a solid PPV in my eyes.

by sadface on May 31, 2010 4:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No, it takes a lot.

Rashad has a big problem trying to shoot on Rampage: Rampage has freaking amazing short hooks and uppercuts. This makes shooting on him or trying to initiate a clinch with him very very hard, and dangerous. Rashad solved this problem in a couple of ways:

1) He used his quickness to shoot for take downs from very far away, starting from far outside the normal distance for a shot.

2) He quickly stepped in and threw left jab/right hook combos at Rampage to get him off balance, and follow those with a clinch. This way he could minimize the risk of Rampage catching him with a short hook/uppercut on a shot.

It seems like Rashad had really detailed game plan for the fight, and oriented his training around that game plan. That’s much more complicated than “wearing out a fighter” and pretty damn smart imo.

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by Sabate on May 31, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Great assessment Sabate.

by knowone on May 31, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed DREAM 14 better than UFC 114.

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by Thats It For you! on May 31, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

UFC 114 didn't have Minowaman...

That isn’t really a fair comparison.

by truck on May 31, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really enjoyed the fights, probably didn’t hurt that I made $7000 in phoney money on mmaplayground.com.
The body KO by Guillard was his second body KO that made everyone I watched with say oooohhhh.
I enjoyed seeing a new young kid from the UK in Hathaway make Sanchez likely reconsider his move to 170.
Russow showed that you can never count a guy out and every fight can finish in dramatic fashion.
And both the Brilz/Nog and Rampage/Rashad fight suggest that you can’t sleep on anyone because you don’t think they have a chance to win.

I thought Rashad had a great gameplan. Too many people expected that Rampage was going to clobber Rashad and to me that’s why a lot of people didn’t like the main event.

by pr0cs on May 31, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Guillard was the highlight of the night for me.

I really like that kid. The Nog vs Brilz fight was a great fight too.

I agree for the most part. I didn’t have a problem with the Rampage vs Evans fight either.

Watching Sanchez, Miller and Russow (for most of the fight) do so little was kind of disappointing though. those fights looked like traing sessions for the most part. I still enjoyed them, but most of the people I was with did not.

by truck on May 31, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your right on.

 I was 1-7 in my picks that night, after saying that, it was still an entertaining fight card. The immergence of Hath, the one punch KO of Duffee, the “controversial” Lil Nog dec, the body KO from Melvin and the smart fight Shad put on made for a great card. Hats off to Rashad, he didnt get pulled into the emotional vacuum, kept his composure and stuck to his game plan. There were a few questions after the fight as well. What happened to Diego’s boxing?, What would Page look like if he didnt have all the distractions?, Is Lil Nog really a contender?, Is Brilz an up and coming fighter? and What is Rua gonna do too Rashad? What else would you expect from a PP?. KO’s, controversy, new blood and message board fodder.

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by whardiek on May 31, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to see a post like this one

I thought it was a really great event myself. It was the night of the underdogs, and there was some good MMA action going on as we got to see a little bit of everything.

I enjoyed watching Rashad control the fight the way he did, he played it smart and that won him the fight. Him surviving in the third to come back and, in my opinion, win that same round was highly exciting as well.

by NinjaCodah on May 31, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Couldn't Agree More.

I ordered the card and thought it was a great night of fights. I really enjoyed the main event too.

by Myke25 on May 31, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

It WAS a good fight

It just wasn’t a flashy, exciting-every-second fight. There’s a difference. A fight doesn’t have to be Garcia/Korean Zombie to be a GOOD fight.

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by duck on May 31, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh? Then why have so many people complained about it?

Including writers?

You won’t convince it it was exciting. And I HATE Rampage… dumbass.

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by TDITZ on May 31, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Booing is incredibly disrespectful

unless it’s one of Anderson Silva’s idiotic sleeper main events.

by RS26 on May 31, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I am getting sick of the booing when the fighter goes to the ground. It is embarrassing when you can hear the fans booing and the fights are entertaining

by Darren Watkins on May 31, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

unless the ref feels bullied into prematurely or arbitrarily standing them back up i don’t mind. fans should be able to boo or cheer as they see fit, and it’s a big crowd full of people, they’re not always booing for the same reasons. but when fan reaction manipulates a ref, that’s unacceptable. but that’s the ref’s fault, not the crowd.

by K Krush on May 31, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

These Vegas crowds are getting worse and worse

Which is why I loved the Australia card. They know a good fight when they see one. I bet you an American crowd (or even a British one) would boo Sot/Stevenson that night.

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by SSreporters on May 31, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I for one boo’ed my lungs out at the Walker vs. Nagy fight, they should have paid me to sit through that. I think there’s a place for booing, but obviously most crowds just show their ignorance of the sport.

by rask4p on May 31, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fantastic write up Nate

I suspect that a lot of the negativity coming out of the event is directly related to all the negativity that surrounded Rashad before the fight. People plain don’t like him and seeing him victorious probably soured a lot of people’s enjoyment of this card.

But fuck ’em, I had fun!

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

and let's be honest

rampage almost certainly has more people who consider themselves fans than rashad does. rampage has more mainstream exposure and is bound to have a lot of people who just wanted to see him win, they would have been dissatisfied with any other outcome, let alone a safe, technical loss.

by K Krush on May 31, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rampage was plain out of shape.

I can’t blame Rashad for that even if I was cheering for Rampage.

by truck on May 31, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweet hyperbole nate

i bet this comment section asplodes

everyones favorite whipping boy

by glassjawsh on May 31, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Pay up please.

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by SSreporters on May 31, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

lets just face the fact rashad got gsped my machida and will no longer be exciting fights. he will use standup to get takedowns and just fight with a safer style. look at his last 2 fights as soon as he stands for just a little while he gets in trouble dont think he doesnt see that to. pluse he know where near as popular as gsp so what few fans he does have will turn faster than a buffer 180.

by mmatokyo on May 31, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

rashad is now gsped…you’re totally correct- but at least gsp was polite enough to apologize after his fight..and he is working on his boxing with freddie roach so maybe he can ko someone in a fight again

by oousty on May 31, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No he's not . GSP will do ...

…. something with his dominiate position . He attempted to end the Hardy fight a few times and was always improving his position and inflicting damage . The most Rashad did damage wise was give Rampage a charlie horse .

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he landed some GNP and on the feet as well...

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on May 31, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, fuck us assholes!

oh wait, I agree with almost everything you wrote

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by some schmuck in texas on May 31, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

fuck us assholes

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by Anthony Pace on May 31, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep it sucked that there was hardly anyone in attendance to see Cane get KTFO’d. The prelims were awesome (Escudero/Lauzon notwithstanding) and we got Duffee getting Duffee’d as well as a crazy surprise from Brilz. I was in attendance for the event and loved it, it’s a shame that too many people accustomed to boxing’s “only the main event will be any good” mentality missed out on some great fights.

by Polyhedron on May 31, 2010 12:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I quickly forgot about this card, so that tells you what I thought of this card.

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by 49er16 on May 31, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

The Buffalo Wild Wings i was at loved it

but we couldn’t really hear the commentary or the crowd, but the whole place was into it the whole night. i even might have made a new casual fan or two at the bar. the rogerio fight was an interesting turn of events, the duffee fight was hilariously predictable and another conversation starter and i felt the main event was full of tension. maybe this is one of those that let down some of the hardcores, but i liked it and i think a lot of casual fans liked it. even if they didn’t get to see b.a. barackus knock some dude out.

by K Krush on May 31, 2010 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Todd Duffee Tweet:

What No mulligan?!?

I LOL’d.

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by Tim Burke on May 31, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Totally agree

I don’t see how the Rashad/Rampage fight failed to live up to the hype. Two near TKOs, some dramatic take-downs, some dramatic take-down stuffs. I mean, what the hell did people want?

by superflat on May 31, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

It was a pretty solid fight...

The only parts that weren’t exciting was Rashad holding Rampage against the cage. Herb Dean was on top of things though. He did a good job of breaking things up when movement slowed. I think people were upset that all the prefight talk of KO’s from both fighters didn’t play out.

by truck on May 31, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just wanted action in the 2nd round.

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by SSreporters on May 31, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 2nd round is the only one I found boring. Rounds 1 and 3 were great

by IRodC on May 31, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK for some not OK for others?

So who is allowed to use strikes to get top position and stay in top control with superior wrestling while not really doing a lot of damage without getting shat on by fans and who may not?
GSP = Yes
Fitch = No
Evans = No
Sonnen = Yes (for now)
Koschek = Yes/No
R. Nelson = Yes?

Please add to this list as you see fit.

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by Warhand on May 31, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

@ home listening to my brother shat on him….lol

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by Warhand on May 31, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

after his last fight ...in broken english gsp was like

i apologize for me pro..form…ance…he is a tough guy…i could not fin..ish

by oousty on May 31, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nelson? He’s KO’d both his opponents in the UFC so far.

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by Tim Burke on May 31, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what happens when you get between a hungry man and his cheeseburger.

by truck on May 31, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some fans believe the fighters are there to entertain and others believe the fighters are there to win.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on May 31, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some fans believe a fighter should make an effort to finish a fight.

Which is also one of the things I like about Japanese judging.

by truck on May 31, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the UFC should start using “Yellow Cards” for 10% purse cuts.

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by Warhand on May 31, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about no?

Yellow card are plain wrong. Referees should not hold that kind of power over what a fighter gets paid.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a lot of power in the hands of a ref...

Then again it is also kind of like a delay of gmae penalty.

I don’t know how it would change any of the wrestling though. How could you penalize the guy who is on top? Sounds pretty much impossible.

by truck on May 31, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you get a delay of game penalty, you don’t get penalized %10 of your pay check.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fine

My point is referees shouldn’t have the power to deduct %10 of a fighters purse. There are plenty of refs out there that are barely capable of running a fight as it is.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heres and idea ...

…. you wall and stall and do no damage the round is a draw . Instead of rewarding game plans that are build around taking time off the clock and not doing a damn thing . And let us not forget it takes almost as engery to defend with your back on the cage as is does to keep folks there so both fighters are deserving of points in that instance not just the guy leaning .

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference between GSP and other lay-and-pray fighters:

GSP actually beats his opponent up and does inflict damage. It gets boring, but at least he goes for submissions and makes his opponents look ugly. Thiago Alves for example. Brock Lesnar is another fighter who remembers punching is allowed in MMA
Rashad Evans, on the other hand, leaves his opponents looking just as they did before the fight. He, and many other lay-and-prayers, simply wrestle their opponents and grind out decisions.

They don’t fight for the fans, they fight for the judges.

by Drizzy on May 31, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, no

I’m tired of hearing that I’m not a “real” fan because I think one guy dry-humping another guy against the cage is boring. A great game plan doesn’t necessarily make a good fight, and I’d rather be entertained than see a boring win. Not that it didn’t have its moments, but on the whole, the main event was a snorefest. I thought the rest of the card was very good, even though I though Brilz should have won and I wanted fellow Jersey guy Miller to win.

by psully on May 31, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m tired of hearing that I’m not a "real" fan because I think one guy dry-humping another guy against the cage is boring.

Agreed. Pretty much anybody who is on BE is a hardcore fan. Hard to argue that.

A great game plan doesn’t necessarily make a good fight

Agree. This isn’t just true in fighting. Hockey fans, remember the trap? It was quite hated.

I thought the main event was mostly entertaing though, despite the fact that Rampage was out of shape and Rashad didn’t do a lot in the second round.

by truck on May 31, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bravo

I’m beginning to think that maybe MMA shouldn’t be that popular because it seems there’s a large portion of fans, both hardcore and casual, who vehemently hate one of the core tenets of the sport.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's weird.

Seems like they are more boxing oriented then MMA. Wrestling is really heavy in the UFC right now. So they need to get used to it. I hope these people don’t have high hopes for the Lesnar – Carwin fight.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna love it

but then again, I though Brock fought an amazingly smart and exciting fight in Lesnar/Mir II.

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by duck on May 31, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

I thought Rashad was gonna do something along those lines at the end of round 3 when he had one of Quinton’s arms pinned over but he wasn’t strong enough. I can’t fucking wait to see what happens in the Lesnar-Carwin fight. Over/Under on how long it takes Brock to go for a takedown is 8 seconds.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

8 seconds? Think it will take that long?

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by duck on May 31, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm taking the over

but not by much. I’m guessing he’ll go for his first takedown at about the 10 second mark.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glove tap will take a second of two...

and Carwin will keep distance and circle, knowing that takedown is coming. So yeah, it might take 10 seconds for Brock to get that TD.

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by duck on May 31, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really think they will glove tap?

I mean before Brock got sick Carwin was talkin some shit about him.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Carwin will offer...

but you’re right, I doubt Brock will reciprocate.

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by duck on May 31, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder

what Carwins gameplan is for this fight. Sprawl and brawl?

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine stand and trade

But there’s no way Brock does that, and Shane knows it. So, I’d imagine RD defense and get in knees and hooks

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by duck on May 31, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

SHOULD

be to clinch against the fence. From distance he is at a disadvantage with Brock’s reach. Shane has short limbs but has power, his best chance to put fist to face would be a gameplan where he backs Brock into the fence and tries to tee off.

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by achengy on May 31, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was kind of thinking

the same gameplan he used against Mir. Clinch against the cage and try to get off some dirty boxing. Who is stronger though.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

its fantastic when used in a way to work for further positional improvements, subs or ground and pound. its not when it essentially stalls a fight…

i think you’ll find alot of ppl dont blanket hate wrestling as a whole, its the ppl who use it to eek out a victory and deprive the fight of any action whatsoever

i dont think the rashad/page fight fell into this category, just addressing the broader issue ppl been talking about of late

by milson on May 31, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

you aren’t a real fan

the end

by kanodogg on May 31, 2010 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

this, and it’s okay. Why do people pay attention to something they hate? Wrestling is a quarter to a third of the sport, at least. I like K1 too, it’s cool with me if they pick up a bigger fanbase. It’s like me giving up on hockey cause I’m sick of great goaltending ruining games. I want GOALS! I want KNOCKOUTS!

by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

 If you think Rampage and Evan was boring then I will say you are not a real fan of mma. You are a fan of hype of blood and swinging for the fences. Not my fault you haven’t taken the time to learn about the more technical aspects of MMA.

by Darren Watkins on May 31, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the fight.

I didn’t like how litte Rampage was able to do for most of the fight. He looked out of shape and a fan can be disappointed about that. If you wanna see a guy give 100% and you know he wasn’t able to it is a little disheartening.

by truck on May 31, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't understand...

…where all the hate on that fight is coming from. For me, it was a much more exciting main card fight than:

Silva/Maia (UFC 112)
GSP/Hardy (UFC 111)
Couture/Coleman (UFC 108)
Couture/Vera (UFC 105)

Are these new fans? Is it the TUF crowd? Or is it just expected that Evans and Jackson would beat each other into bloody pulps because of “black on black crime”? I just don’t understand. It was a much more exciting fight than I expected it to be.

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by Sabate on May 31, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree,

 If Shad vs. Page woudlnt have had all the title implications, and both fighters were in the same places career wise as Chuck and Wanderlei were when they fought. Then maybe, it would have been a stand up war. But, name the last time Shad stood toe-to-toe with anyone? That’s not his style. Shad was very smart, effective and defensive. I think his plan was flawless
  Page was way too predictable. He hasnt evolved enough to be able to compete with guys like Shogun, Machida, Forrest and Rashad. I wanted Quinton to KO Shad, so dont start haten.

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by whardiek on May 31, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cannot believe everyone missed this. But during the first prelim on Spike

Buffer said Escudero was “fighting out of Tempe, New Mexico”. By then you knew this prelim special was not going to be a special night.

Also, did anyone else notice that Buffer sped up his intros for Sadollah/Kim because they were short on time? I know this is the first time they’ve just about gone over the 1 hour block but they seriously need to (again) work on the pacing of the hour they have if they’re going to fill it with a bonus (and totally awesome) fight and add some movie advertisements.

I missed 60% of the PPV and that’s what happens when other activities conflict with something I want to watch. Did get to see the knee that almost dropped Sanchez on a GIF and thought for a moment that his head was about to get split open again.

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by SSreporters on May 31, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah!

Another unwanted poster leaving BE. :)

by Django Z on May 31, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah! Awesome! Now all you guys can jerk each other off and talk about HOW GREAT UFC114 was!

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a good thing most people don’t come to these sites for the articles, but for the news. >:D

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like some people come here to badmouth the writers in the comments section, which is a pretty darn sad life.

by who me on May 31, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s funny the criticizing becomes badmouthing. I’m sorry I don’t have Kid Nate’s in my mouth like some of you.

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet you're still here...

didn’t you say you had somewhere to be?

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on May 31, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh. I have been reading other websites. Just replying to replies that people seem are unnecessary and a waste of time. Funny, huh?

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, not really.

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on May 31, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, why stalk my posts?

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just tryin' to give you a little nudge

out the door you said you were walking.

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on May 31, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh thank you, great Bloodyelbow.com gate keeper.

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I will stay just to piss you off, seeing as it seems the very fact that I am still posting seems to be high on your list of importance.

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."

by Rudinho479 on May 31, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s funny how some people tend to want to just critize him as opposed to discussing the topics at hand. Ok no that’s not really that funny anymore it’s just getting sad.

by who me on May 31, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the first time I have ever criticized the writers here. So, if a lot of people are doing it, shouldn’t that say something?

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the internet, badmouthing people is the norm here but until recently this place was filled with people who liked to discuss the topics as opposed to people who attacked the writers for writing something they disagreed with. Heck I disagree with Nate’s articles all the time and then I discuss the topic in the discussion area, why turn the place into a circus when it used to be so nice?

by who me on May 31, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The difference is, you can criticize without being immature about it.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe the sherdog comment was a little immature, but I still think my point is valid. It would be like ESPN.com writing an article like, “It’s the Lakers and Celtics again! And if you don’t like it, you are a whiny casual fan!” I come here for news and most of the time witty writing. This is the second day in a row I have been told by a bloodyelbow writer that because I didn’t appreciate 114, I am less of a fan.

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's immature

Because rather than argue any point that Kid Nate might have made, you decided to just attack him. You behaved exactly like a “sherdogger” and don’t even see the irony in your own comments.

You also later dropped this little gem:

“Yeah! Awesome! Now all you guys can jerk each other off and talk about HOW GREAT UFC114 was!”

That was real mature. You then decided you’d like to antagonize all the people who have pointed out what a child you’re behaving like.

If this is all going over your head, then I can’t really help you anymore.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a gem, wasn’t it? :D Listen, I really don’t care whether or not you agree or disagree, or think I am immature. Point is the title of the whole article was immature. You seem to be missing the point. I am a commenter, not the writer.

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're missing the point

But you’re obviously completely oblivious to that.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. The comments were way over the top and will probably get him banned.

That said. I agree the title is kinda silly too. Just because somebody has different taste than the writer doesn’t mean they are whiners.

I liked the main event and I liked the Nog / Brilz fight quite a bit The Guillard fight being thrown in was nice too, but the other three fights (the ones that were all striking) were pretty one dimensional and slow.

Sure the ending in the Duffee fight was awesome (and surprising) but the 12 minutes before that were kinda drab. Duffee through maybe two different combinations over and over again and Russow played the role of a heavy bag.

I love MMA and I watch almost every card, this was mot one of my favorites.

Sanchez did nothing for 15 minutes
Miller did very little over 15 minutes
Russow did absolutely nothing for 12 minutes
Rampage did next to nothing over 15 minutes

In that regard the fights were kind of disappointing. When 4 of 10 main card fighters mount very little offense it will take a toll on public opinion.

by truck on May 31, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to be clear.

I enjoyed most of the card, but everyone who didn’t isn’t a whiner. They might just have different tastes or saw things a little different from you / Kid Nate / anyone else.

by truck on May 31, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's like this

You and I can, and have had, many a spirited debate without resorting to childish name calling and immature rants.

It’s okay to disagree, just do it like an adult.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

No need to get all dramatic and start insulting the writer and the website.

There was no need for Nate to call people who disagree whiners either though.

I like you Nate, but I disagree with you here.

by truck on May 31, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can agree that it didn’t turn out to be a great card, but there does seem to a be a rather large bias against the main event simply because Rampage didn’t knock out Rashad, and Rashad used his, GASP, wrestling!!!??? to dominate most of the fight. I wouldn’t aim this comment at you, but doesn’t it seem like there’s a lot of people out there following a sport which is one third made up of something they hate and find boring?

by Kwisatz Haderach on May 31, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Rampage did next to nothing over 15 minutes”

Over 15 minutes?

by jebmak on May 31, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see you're not in a hurry to leave...

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on May 31, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah the title seemed a little childish.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on May 31, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was a good night of fights, yea the main event didn’t light things up but honestly what were people expecting out of a Rashad Evans fight? I guess because I was aware of what I was going to get out of the main event I was able to enjoy watching the fight. Of course it wouldn’t be a MMA event if there weren’t tons of internet fans grouching about the show afterwards, that always seems to be a constant.

by who me on May 31, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

It's all about who you were rooting for or predicting

As I said above. It’s not a perfect correlation, but 80% of BE readers predicted Rampage would win, so it’s not surprising that alot of them would find the fight “boring”.

I predicted (and layed 80K of MMAPlayground money on) Rashad winning, so it was tense and gripping the whole fight to see if he could get the victory. I think I shouted louder during the last 2 minutes of this fight than any UFC PPV ever.

All about the frame of reference you’re coming from.

I still say Jung v Garcia was technically boring and sloppy as hell. Thrilling in a humorous way, but kinda weird too. If that was your style of fight, then no doubt you hated Evans v Jackson – for me it was two highly talented fighters battling it out, trying to stay out of each other’s strength and get into their own. And sometimes they did land big shots or get the other in trouble – that’s what made it exciting!

by Django Z on May 31, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I wanted Evans to win and I still found the main event/event as a whole underwhelming. I knew Evans was gonna turn this into wrestlemania but I can’t blame casual fans for being disappointed in the main event.

This fight was so hotly anticipated because every time they spoke shit to eachother, all you heard was “I’M GONNA KNOCK YOU CLEANNNN OUT” and “You’re head’s too big and it’s too easy to hit”.

As soon as the bell rung, all that shit talk they sold this event on went out the window. This fight was marketed as a slugfest and it just wasn’t. Can’t blame the casual fan for being disappointed.

by nastyem on May 31, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see...

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/11/17/633625453551705068-ISee.jpg

"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."

by Rudinho479 on May 31, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fail, lets try again

"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."

by Rudinho479 on May 31, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The trash talking and the rivalry probably is why people thought it would be an action packed fight but honestly it was a Rashad Evans fight. Sometimes Rashad catches someone and knocks them out and sometimes he doesn’t and it goes to decision but all his fight strategies are pretty similar. It’s not like his strategy should of surprised anyone.

by who me on May 31, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rashad the Promoter was Rashad the Fighter’s worst enemy.

Resident Capologist

by clrkaitken on May 31, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree.

This wouldn’t be happening if Rashad hadn’t spent so much time repeatedly saying, “No, I’m knocking you out.”

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smart strategy, though

Had Rampage worrying about something that didn’t actually happen.

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on May 31, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Historically finishing Rampage Jackson has been very hard to do and it hasn’t happened in 5 years. Wanderlei got him twice with knees and Shogun soccer kicked him and that is pretty much it for TKO. Heck he’s only been sub’d once and that was in 2001, there is no shame in not being able to finish Rampage Jackson.

by who me on May 31, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Which is why Rashad had a great game plan

It didn’t require him stopping Rampage, and didn’t give Rampage much of a chance of stopping him. Rampage still ALMOST did, but almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear warfare.

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on May 31, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So just to clear up something, you are fine with boring fights as long as they are very wrestling technical or well planned out? I’m just curious. That Anderson Silva/ Maia fight was an abomination to watch, but he took absolutely no damage whatsoever.

by Lil_Doomsday on May 31, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is very true. What bothered me is that he didn’t even look like he was trying to finish.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on May 31, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I call shenanigans

What looks like a fighter trying to finish? Standing in the pocket and throwing bombs? Had he the opportunity Rashad would have finished the fight. He didn’t have the opportunity.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

A little ground and pound would have been nice.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on May 31, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

What fight did you watch?

He was using ground and pound, particularly at the end of the third after Rampage rocked him.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true

After he got rocked he looked to finish. Prior to Rampage’s flurry he wasn’t doing much in the ground and pound category.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on May 31, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sounds to me

Like you’re advocating that Rashad, or any fighter for that matter, should open up and fight recklessly in order to entertain you.

Rashad fought his fight. The fight anybody who knew anything about him as a fighter knew he was going to fight. He took the best path to victory available to him. He got his win bonus and he gets a shot at the champ.

But because he didn’t let the fight devolve into a brawl where in all likelihood Rampage would have had a distinct advantage, Rashad is now a boring fighter who’s bad for the sport and is going to cause a mass exodus of fans. OH NOES!!!! MMA IS DYING!!!!! DEATH TO WRESTLERS!!!!!

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. No I’m not saying that, and it sounds to me like you are putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
2. I just like fights where fighters work towards a finish. That’s all. Rashad can do what he wants, but I’m not going to enjoy a fight where the clock is the most important part.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on May 31, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rashad's GnP in round 3..

directly contradicts your assertion that he was “running out the cock.” If he was actually running out the clock, he 1) wouldn’t have tried for a takedown in round 3, and 2) once he got the takedown, he would have ‘laid n’ prayed’.

He did neither. Instead he risked his decision victory by shooting on a man who’d almost KO’d him on his previous shot. Your #2 is wildly incorrect.

If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.

by Sabate on May 31, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

$185,000

is quite the coin for winning that fight too.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try he did nothing ...

….. to attempt to finish the fight until Rampage almost KO’d him . Through rounds one and two Rashad made no attempts to finish or even do damage . He seemed afraid to lose position so he walled and stalled then layed and prayed . He had Rampage in some fairly dominiate positions and rather than attempt to finish and maybe lose the position he chose to lay on him to out point him .

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Revisionist history

He did damage in the first, and while the second round was largely a stalemate, give credit to Rampage for his defense.

Had the opportunity presented itself to go in for the kill without the danger of putting his opponent in an advantageous position Rashad would have gone for the finish. But all you guys think is that fighters should throw caution, their careers and their safety to the wind just to entertain you.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, this is kind of besides the point, but revisionist history is misused more often than can or lay and pray.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on May 31, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not in this case

He’s revising the events of what happened on Saturday, ergo, revisionist history.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I ask is ....

… for the attempt to finish the fight . Rashad never made that attempt even with dominiate positions .He stumbles Jackson and goes for the take down ? Really ? Go in for the kill . He was to afraid to lose position and / or not take enought time off the clock .

All he did in the first was knock Rampage off balance and then the rest on the round he spent it giving Rampage a charlie horse and getting broken up for doing nothing with the position .

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine, he stumbles him. He charges him wildly and Rampage nails him with a crisp hook that puts him to sleep. People mock him for being an idiot.

by RobertGBP on May 31, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely

People want to see Jung/Garcia every time out. But as thoroughly entertaining as that fight was, there’s a reason neither one of those guys will ever win a title.

Rashad Evans has no obligation to damage his career just because somebody on the internet whines about his style. If you guys didn’t think that Rashad was going to fight that fight then you’ve obviously never seen him fight before. If you dislike it so much, don’t watch his fights.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No what I expect is this ...

…. if your gonna wrestle and play cage control do it similar to what GSP does . He controls the cage AND does damage .

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can't GnP..

until he gets Rampage down. And he spend two rounds trying to get Rampage down and keep him down.

As soon as he got him down late in the third, he launched into GnP even though he was pretty much guaranteed a victory already. Should Rashad have just started punching the mat in round 1?

If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.

by Sabate on May 31, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or until ....

….. theres 50 seconds left in the last round and you’ve layed on your opponet fo the entire fight and are going to eek out a decision . With that amount of time left on the clock he no longer feared losing position so he finally tried to do a little damage , be it a weak half hearted attempt .

And no Rashad spent 2 rounds walling and stalling hence why Herb Dean parted them up some many times . Also in round one he stumbles Jackson and runs in for ………. a take down . He stumbles him , may have him hurt and instead of trying to finish the fight he attempts a take down . Call me crazy but if you got a guy hurt you go in for the kill not let him recover so you can wall and stall / lay and pray .

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you didn't see Rashad continually attempting

to take Rampage down in rounds 1&2, then you either weren’t watching the fight closely, or know very little about MMA.

Rampage was just preventing the TDs, but he couldn’t prevent the clinch.

Don’t bother replying, as your assertions are fundamentally ungrounded and wildly inaccurate, and I don’t really see the point in us continuing the discussion.

If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.

by Sabate on May 31, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and they were weak ...

…. half hearted attempts . I saw them and really if he was doing so much why did the ref have to keep seperating them lack of progression ?

And instead of making an accusation …..

your assertions are fundamentally ungrounded and wildly inaccurate
Why not provide an explanation as to why my opinions are so ungrounded and inaccurate and yours are the gospel of MMA . What did you write the MMA fans bible that states only your opinion , and those who follow your opinion , is right and everything else is wrong ? Sounds more like a cult , but then again its only your opinion that matters .

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evans outstruck Jackson 27 to 61 in the fight it’s not like he wasn’t doing anything in there but laying on him. I think people are exagerating a bit here. Rampage is very very hard to finish and Rashad wasn’t just out there laying on him the entire fight, yea he didn’t take the risk people think he should but then taking too many risk tends to get people knocked out when they are fighting Rampage too. It wasn’t an overly exciting fight but it wasn’t as bad as people are making it out to be.

by who me on May 31, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And still no damage . You outstrike someone that bad ...

… you figure there might be a little damage . But considering alot of those landed strikes were punches to the knee / thigh and the third round GNP there was no real damage dealt , unless a charlie horse is overly damaging . Also is hard to finish Rampage , yes , but its impossible to finish him off with leg shots and leaning . So your stat is a bit misleading to say the least .

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol... To be fair

20 of those punches were probably Rashad punching Rampage in the leg while he was pinned against the fence.

by truck on May 31, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And a few were ...

…. punches to the side of the head and the body , but they were no more damaging than your little sister punching you in the arm . Get the stat lin and then we can have a debate , until then its just speculation .

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thoroughly enjoyed this card top to bottom. Everyone at the bar i was at was into it and seemed to enjoy the main event. I wasn’t that disappointed in the main event it’s pretty much how i thought it would go minus the two almost KO’s, the bar was totally into it and you could feel the tension.

I really enjoyed Stun Gun Kim just tooling Amir for 3 rounds. Holding someones arm around their own face and punching them! that was epic, One of my casual friends shouted out “stop choking yourself, stop choking yourself” lol.
I like Amir, but wow did Kim put some judo on him “Oh i grabbed a part of your body, now you’re going to hit the mat and there is nothing you can do to stop it” times 10.

Right hand coffee, left hand cactus, right hand coffee left hand cactus, keep it straight...

by ReAnimator on May 31, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

haha

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on May 31, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh it was exciting

But the main event and bisping/miller were underwhelming somewhat. Miller part sucked because he fought like a dip while putting forward very little effective offense. Midway through round 2 I knew it’d be an unexciting decision, so I took a deuce. Evans/Jackson had some great moments, but any fight where there are multiple restarts from clinching, you’re going to get people complaining about the fight – especially if the clincher is the winner.

Stop whining yourself, Nate, not everyone who sees things different than you is a whiner or a pejorative casual fan, they just have a different point of view.

http://mixedmartialartsblogger.wordpress.com/

by Cory Braiterman on May 31, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope you're pre-writing

your next article, Kid Nate. If Rashad wins the title vs. Shogun in the same manner after 5 rounds of these tactics, you may have a flood of not only “This fight was boring” but also “He’s not a real champion because he was just LnP/Clinching the whole fight, RAWRRRR!!!”

by rzor on May 31, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

The backlash on here if that happened

would be unbelievable. This site would be shut down with so much traffic from people bitching about it.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Diego Sanchez: YES
Cleveland Brown: No no no no no no!!!!! (falls out of bathtub)
(Financial Backers of deadliest warrior): YES!!!!
Darth Vader: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

by Body Triangle on Jun 1, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Black on Black misdemeanor

Evans has never been that fun to watch IMO, and Rampage just didn’t happen.

Typical when MMA is set to explode it doesn’t deliver in terms of casual fan interest.

Maybe DW is wrong about MMA being the biggest sport in the world… maybe it’s too technical these days.

by powerfis on May 31, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Did you just argue that fighters are too good for the sport to be popular?

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

pro rasslin’ is more popular than mma
dan brown is more popular than martin amis
american idol is more popular than breaking bad

ELITISM!

http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com

by some schmuck in texas on May 31, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Breaking Bad

best show on TV. Just saying.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

when the season premiere was scheduled at the same time as jones/vera

I nearly cried. Then I remembered there is tivo.

http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com

by some schmuck in texas on May 31, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec because Breaking Bad is the best show ever.

by K1Noob on May 31, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Breaking Bad is not going to end well this season. And I mean that in a good way.

by snakecharmer1340 on May 31, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard

they are stopping it after next season.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The wife is getting involved now is not a good sign. I can’t wait to see were they go with it in the fourth season.

by snakecharmer1340 on May 31, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

a lot of people think they are building to killing Jesse off the show but I don’t know. It’s gonna be an insane next episode.

by Geno Mrosko on May 31, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

the original plan was for Jesse to die in S1

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/tgoodman/detail?blogid=24&entry_id=58981

I do hope they wrap it up before it goes on too long – a good story needs to end appropriately not get strung way out of proportion due to commercial interests.

http://fightdrinker.blogspot.com

by some schmuck in texas on May 31, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whining Fans = Spoilt Fans

What I find interesting is an article that touches on fan whining about every fight not being exactly how they would like it, and it releases a torrent of fans whining about each fight was not what they would have liked. The general fans are not whiny as much as they are spoilt with too much of a good thing.

by Dean Head on May 31, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Dave Doyle @ Yahoo! sports nails it.
1. "Sugar" delivers: Don’t count me among those who found Saturday night’s main event a disappointment. Perhaps Rashad Evans vs. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson wasn’t a 15-minute war like Chuck Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva, but if that’s what you were expecting, you must not have been following Evans very long. The sellout crowd in Vegas spent the entire night booing Evans whenever he was shown on the big screen and throughout the first two rounds. But when Evans took Rampage’s best shot in the third round, survived, and then imposed his will during the final two minutes of the fight, the people recognized Evans’ brilliance in the fight and spent the remainder of the fight cheering the former champion. If you want to criticize "Rampage" for looking a step slow on one of the biggest spots of his career, that’s fair, but the guy who had his hand raised held up his end of the bargain.

by snakecharmer1340 on May 31, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

It takes 2 people to fight and Rampage put up almost no resitance to what Shad wanted to do.

"To me, MMA is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other."

by Buster Bluth on May 31, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true.

Rampage spent the entire first 2.5 rounds stuffing take downs quite well. However:

1) He wasn’t able to resist the clinch that Rashad was initiating in his take down attempts, and:

2) He wasn’t able to land any power shots when Rashad was on his way in for take down attempts or clinches.

So yeah, he put up quite a bit of resistance. Unfortunately for him, the resistance he put up wasn’t anywhere near sufficient to win him the fight.

If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.

by Sabate on May 31, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree. If Rampage wanted to win this fight he need to STOP the Grappling. Giving a little resistance was not a smart game plan. Rampage didnt put nearly enough resistance to win this fight and I dont see why you would defend why he was doing.

I hate how I am defending Evans now who I hate and think he has been really boring in the pass. He fought a smart and educated fight and out classes Rampage in every aspect of the fight.

by Darren Watkins on May 31, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you and I are disagreeing at all.

I wasn’t defending Rampage’s overall game plan. What I was trying to point out is that dear Buster (AD rules btw) was vastly oversimplifying when he said Rampage put up “almost no resistance”:

Rampage put up a helluvalot of resistance – primarily struggling against TDs in the clinch. What I was saying with 1&2 is that he shouldn’t have been in the clinch in the first place.

I really don’t think Rashad wanted to stay in the clinch with Rampage. I think he wanted to take him down. But Rampage kept on stuffing all but one of those takedowns in the first 2.5 rounds, so Rashad stayed in the clinch because it was preferable to trying to outbox Rampage.

I agree with you that Rampage should’ve been using footwork to stay out of the clinch. He’s best when he’s able to strike at medium range. However, if Rampage ended up on his back it would’ve been disaster for him, so stuffing Rashad’s TDs from the clinch was preferable to that.

It was definitely the second-worst place for him to be, but I’m just pointing out that he put in a lot of effort to avoid the first-worst .

Make sense?

If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.

by Sabate on May 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and I agree..

…that Rashad’s game plan was a very smart one. See my post above :)

If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.

by Sabate on May 31, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Literally half the fight was a cage pinup! those same people who enjoyed this fight are the same people who would probably protested the 24 second clock in the nba

by pandaboy99 on May 31, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

TELL RAMPAGE TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT! Its not evans fault that rampage sucked and didnt try and break the clinch.

by Darren Watkins on May 31, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even if you’re on a pedestal, the main event sucked. But the rest of the card was outstanding. And I don’t use “outstanding” as a thoughtless adjective signifying any arbitrary range of positivity; I mean it stands out from its peers, being top-to-bottom the most exciting card this year. I don’t know who all these whining fans are. I’m certainly not hearing them, caring about them, or patronizing them.

Behave with confidence

by Postpubescent on May 31, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I personally enjoyed the fight and predicted that Rashad would win the way he did with quickness and take downs. Kudos to Rashad! Watching two guys slug it out is more entertaining for more people but when someone is as good at something as Rashad is at taking people down and being quick in the standup I enjoy seeing if the other guy cam stop him and Rampage couldn’t. For someone who has always been the underdog and who has only lost 1 time while fighting the top dudes, it’s interesting how much hate Rashad gets. Perhaps they would prefer him to be a dumber risky fighter who loses like Clay Guida??? I don’t buy the “in a real street fight” taking someone down doesn’t count. If a dude is neatralized agaisnt a wall or in the ground the street fight is over. Not as fun to watch perhaps but if someone can do it at will against top people it’s up to the opponent to stop him from instituting the game plan.

Watching the old Detroit pistons wasn’t as fun as the showtime lakers but winning and entertaining people aren’t the same. I tend to appreciate winners.

by rocketsauce on May 31, 2010 3:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Rashad impressed me. He knew exactly what he was going to do and did it effectively. I can’t believe I didn’t anticipate the ring rust from Page. He had his chance, of course, but couldn’t get a shot to land when he needed it most. Co -mainevent was prob more of a let down to me since miller didn’t work any grappling techniques. Like most not title fight PPV’s these days it was good entertainment but not neccessarily worth the asking price IMO.
  Oh well at least 115’s main event will be on free tv. UFC 115 Grffin v. Dunham followed by a PPV for those who still have Zuffa on auto pay.

by naturalist on May 31, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Do what I do

For events that aren’t really worth it, do a boys night out at the bar.

by Worldisart on May 31, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on, man...

Just because people criticize an event doesn’t make them “Whining Fans.” Ease off the gas a bit, there.

I think a lot of the problem with fans’ dissatisfaction has to do with expectations not being met. I’m still not sure how I feel about Rashad’s performance, but I think it’s fair to say that Jackson showed practically zero initiative, with the exception of one flurry in the last round. That’s not good fighting.

To me, Little Nogueira didn’t live up to his potential that night either. Objectively it was a pretty decent fight, just disappointing in terms of what you expect from one of the participants.

Bisping v. Miller was predictable, and I think your assessment of it is misleading. Your excitement seems to have totally rested in the fact that : 1. you hate Bisping, and 2. Miller’s gameplan was terrible. In contrast to the Nogueira/Brilz, I’d say that that sounds like an objectively BAD fight.

by Rainer Lee on May 31, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I almost understand people not enjoying the main event but really, people are even whining about the other main cards? WOW. Fights tell a story—who trained harder, who is smarter, who is more skilled, who has more heart. It’s not about fitting your personal preference as to what kind of fight you want to see. Like another has said, it takes two guys to fight, but not everyone shows up the way you want.

by Revolver on May 31, 2010 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent night of fights

Especially with Dream thrown in. Plenty of upsets and good battles.

by HarmlessNinja on May 31, 2010 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Last time I checked you can win by decision too right?, the whinning from alot of Rampage backers has gone overboard. I mean when you’re basic argument boils down to yeah Rampage couldn’t do anything to stop Rashad from doing what he wanted but he sucks is boring then you’ve lost all credibility to me. This is a sport 2 guys go out and try to impose their will on the other guy, there are many ways to win but in the end if no one is finished they go to a decision. You don’t like that pick another sport because all of this crying and complaining is only making you look bad because nothing is going to change unless guys start learning better tdd.

by Nightwhistler on May 31, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Mike Fagan

When you start a comment on the defensive “I don’t mind that I came out on the wrong end of the fight” it makes it hard to give you credability. As an unbias journalist your being right or wrong should be irrelivant, what was really on your mind was you were wrong, underwhelmed, and frustrated. Your better than that and it takes a cornerstone out of your credability. Evans Jackson was a decent fight and the kind of technical bout we should expect from the guys fighting to be #1 you can go to tough man competitions or you can watch MMA one of which is a sport and a running game in the NFL is not always exciting but no one plays to lose.

by Suqleg on May 31, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Good paper, thanks Nate.

I enjoyed most of the card and I think the main event was a good fight.

People are getting hyped-up and expectations are through the roof but in the end it’s just two human beings fighting. They can’t hurl lightning or anything like this.

by MarcoDos on May 31, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

With Kid Nate, nice assessment of the event. I thought it was a solid card.

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by Brian Hemminger on May 31, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

From a relatively new spectator's assessment

To get this out of the way. I’ve been watching the UFC for 2-3 years, so I’m not necessarily a new follower of the UFC, but from a spectator’s point of view, the main event was a huge let down. I’ve seen people saying that they don’t wanna here what Quinton fans have to say due to the fact that they have nothing to back it up, but here’s the way I look at it. This was the most publicized fight probably in UFC history. Bigger than UFC 100 if you ask me. If you are new to watching the sport, and you caught all the primetimes, and commercials advertising the fight. You see all these things about Rashad saying he’s gonna knock Quinton out, and other things. My point being, if you were a new spectator, and you saw all this hype to watch an event where Rashad hardly actually through any punches standing, how would you view this fight? Action packed? I think not. But being an MMA fan for a few years, I was still disappointed. Rashad talked alot of shit, sent him a snuggie, saying he would do this, and that and I knew he wouldn’t even think about legitamately standing with Rampage. Listen, if you’re gonna talk a bunch of shit, then back it up. He didn’t do that for me. He went out and played the Greg Jackson way. If you lose a fight, then you go down another path. Wrestling, or pinning your opponent against the cage until the fight is over without inflicting much damage at all. On the other hand. Quinton trained to do exactly what he tried to do. Stand and bang. To be honest. Rashad wasn’t even that impressive in this fight. He tried probably 15-20 takedowns because that’s all he tried doing in the fight, and landed what? 5 or 6? Quinton stuffed the majority of them. If you ask me. Rashad’s first punch that “dazed” Quinton didn’t even really effect Rampage that much. It was more of like an “oh shit man, I’ve been out of the ring for over a year, and this dude hit me. Time to fight.” But realistically, Greg Jackson’s only fighter willing to fight is Carwin. And that’s probably until he loses his first fight. Then it’s off to the wrestling ways. Tactically, Rashad only did what it took to beat Quinton. Get him to the ground 5 or 6 times, and do absolutely 0 damage. If I have to watch this same shit against shogun for 5 rounds. I won’t be happy. GSP does it every fight, granted now he has at least attempted a submission along with lay and pray, but Greg Jackson’s pussies get old, and fast. Rashad and GSP are two great athletes, and this is Mixed Martial Arts, but when you’re only doing what it takes to win in a spectator’s sport where they pay to see blood. It’s not good enough.

by NDFUBAR on May 31, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey don't say that ...

… too loud around here the whole site will come down on you !! That said I agree with you and have post what you’ve said a few times and well lets just say more than a few folks disagree and point out that I’m not an MMA fan or that I have no idea what I’m talking about . So heads up to you my man you’re gonna have to defend this post to all the wall and stall / lay and pray supporters !

The only fighter I disagree with on is GSP . He improves his position and tries to inflict damage and always is attempting to end the fight . Thats the only one I’ll defend though .

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Tactically, Rashad only did what it took to beat Quinton."

Isn’t that the point? Rashad’s got a W on his record and his bank account’s a lot bigger today. Seems like mission accomplished.

When you watch the Orioles every night, a beer after dinner turns into a six pack WAY too many times. Stacey

by duck on May 31, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

R.I.P Todd Duffee's hype train

You were one of the craziest thing I’ve ever seen on this blog.

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on May 31, 2010 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

that's exactly...exactly what happened,

Did anyone else hear the sound Todd Duffee made when he hit the canvas? Maybe it was just me….but it sounded like a building fell over…BOOOOOOOOM!!!!

by Body Triangle on Jun 1, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

The point was...

If you’re going to talk shit, then back it up. Otherwise you come out with a boring game plan, and your fights won’t ever be hyped like that again. He got cash, but lost alot of respect, because of the fact that he talked a whole lot of shit, and came out to have a hugging contest. Nothing against rashad personally, because if he came out and knocked Quinton out or at least tried to stand and punch a little, then the hype would have lived up to the fight. The fight is hyped up, and then it’s a big let down when it turns into a hugging match. GSP… I know EVERYONE in this world defense GSP. Dan Hardy walked out of that fight saying it was like a training exercise, because he doesn’t think he took a single punch in the fight. I mean seriously? If 5 rounds of a championship fight goes without someone having even a mouse under their eye or something, and not just looking sweaty, that’s a poor fight. Nothing against Dan Hardy. He wanted to fight. Just like Thiago Alves, and everyone else. But GSP is afraid of fighting with anyone. He stated that himself. So he plays it safe and wrestles every single fight. Sometimes inflicting damage like against BJ Penn, and sometimes doing nothing except attempting 2 submissions in a 5 round fight against Dan Hardy. Yes GSP is a phenomen when it comes to athleticism, but he’s a champion. A champion who is afraid to actually fight… Well that pretty much speaks for itself. Nothing against him, as he respects all his opponents, but I hate the wrestle and just get the decision game plan. Nothing against wrestling either, but wrestling just to take up time and get a decision is weak.

by NDFUBAR on May 31, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Yet again man ...

…. agree , agree and agree minus the GSP stuff.

by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except Rashad did back it up with a great performance, maybe you should be mad at Rampage who talked even more shit and did almost nothing in the fight.

You can make all the excuses in the world for guys getting schooled on the ground and basically made to look worthless like GSP did to Hardy. But it doesn’t matter because in the end this is the sport of mma. Trash talk and other bs is for fools who get caught up in the hype, anyone who didn’t get caught up in it wasn’t surprised how the fight turned out if you were it’s on you.

by Nightwhistler on May 31, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Clearly

You missed my original point. Rashad backed up that he was going to win the fight. By wrestling. Like it or not he won.
My point was…. How many times did rashad say he was gonna knock rampage out and yada yada? He sent him a snuggie to his training camp. Whether its part of the hype or not. If you’re gonna go that far as to saying you’re going to do that, then do it. Or at least attempt to. Never once did he do it. I knew he was going to go out and wrestle just like he did against thiago silva, and how much damage did he inflict on thiago… None? How much damage did he inflict on rampage? None… In both fights rashad was the only one to actually get hurt. Quinton was stumbled for 2 seconds. Rashad was almost out cold.
Point # 1: If you say you’re gonna knock someone out…. Do it, or attempt to. Don’t go out and wrestle and have all your fans stand up for you, because you were afraid to even attempt what you said you were going to do.
Point # 2: Wrestling is a part of MMA. No doubt. But don’t wrestle for a decision. Wrestle because it’s what you’re good at, and you’re going to beat the shit out of your opponent with ground and pound. Perfect example Jon Jones. Beats the shit out of his opponents.. Bad examples: GSP and Rashad. Wrestle to get decisions, and not to inflict any damage. That’s just my opinion.

by NDFUBAR on Jun 1, 2010 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

1. The fact that you bought into the hype shows how gullible you are, it’s called hype for a reason.

2. The objective is to win you can do it by KO, sub or decision they all count the same.

3. If you have a problem with a guy wrestling his way to a decision stop him, if you can’t you deserve what you get.

by Nightwhistler on Jun 1, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I showed the fight to my cousin who is very casual and he liked it. The third round was pretty exciting. I enjoyed watching it a second time, it can’t be that bad right?

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Jun 1, 2010 7:04 AM EDT reply actions  

With the exception of Nogueira/Brilz none of the fights were particularly exciting, but 114 had that crazy “anything can happen” energy, which was why I really enjoyed it.

by Amor on Jun 1, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

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