UFC 114: Rampage vs. Evans Post-Fight Recap and Analysis
by Mike Fagan on May 30, 2010 3:17 AM EDT
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-Bleh. That's pretty much my feeling on the main event. I don't mind that I came out on the wrong end of the fight, but the result just seems so...unsatisfying. Rashad won the fight, there's no denying that, but did he really beat up "Rampage"?
-Anyone else a little curious why two judges scored round three for Rashad? Yeah, he battled back and ended the round strong, but what happened to effective striking to the point of almost finishing?
-Michael Bisping cemented himself as the gatekeeper between A- and B-level fighters. You can just see the difference in his confidence level when he fights certain levels of fighters.
-Tough loss for Dan Miller. Hope he can bounce back.
-So DUFFEE officially becomes DUFFEE'd now, right? Good god. I literally was about to start compiling the fight recap, praising Duffee's domination of all three rounds. Then Mike Russow lands right on the temple and puts out the lights.
-People are acting as if Nogueira/Brilz is the worst decision in MMA history, but c'mon. I personally scored it 29-28 for Nogueira, and I'm prepared to hear heat for that. The first round was close, though I expect I'll change my score on a second watch.
-I'll be honest: I was highly distracted by the Stanley Cup Finals for everything before the Nogueira fight, so...
-Diego doesn't YUS!, Diego doesn't win. I was concerned that the cut to lightweight would affect Diego's move back up, and it looks like he wasn't able to put all the mass back on. Oh, and Hathaway's no joke either.
-Joe Rogan summed up the Kim/Sadollah fight perfectly: "Muay Thai's no good when you're on your back."
-If the UFC is a place where only the best fight, Dan Lauzon needs to be on the outside looking in.
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Duffee's chin
I’m a little surprised at how people are criticizing Duffee’s chin considering what happened to him. He was exhausted and he took a huge shot right on the dome by a 250+ pound monster.
I agree
Rogan called it a “one punch knockout” but to me it looked like the first shot rocked him and when he fell backwards, slamming his head on the canvas is what turned out the last few lights
by RicketyCricket on May 30, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
And a hammer fist right in the kisser!
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it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on May 30, 2010 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
TODDDUFFEEATED
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
by SSreporters on May 30, 2010 1:20 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
-i scored 29/28 nog as well
-mike russow is the new mark hunt as far as chins go
-i though sanchez would have safely been able to outstrike hathaway but he didnt move his head at all, ever
-you gave rashad shit about his footwork but I think it was the difference in this fight. he moved in and out quick, and in my humble opinion being able to control range is THE most important aspect of MMA striking
I’ll have to look at it again, but his feet looked much more controlled in this fight. He’s been able to get by on just straight speed before, so I’m not totally excusing him without watching the tape again.
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I'm inclined to agree.
I think if you put Rashad up against a fighter with great jabs or straight right/lefts he’s going to have problems. Because Rampage is reliant on his short hooks, I think Rashad’s speed was able to mask his sub-par footwork. His footwork problems were really exposed with Machida because Lyoto has such a great straight left.
I think he’s going to have similar problems with Shogun’s very technical striking.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
once again you prove to be a no talent a$$ clown who cant get a fight right to save his life. the only time you get anything right is if the person you are pulling for before the fight starts does win or if its so one-sided that its impossible to get wrong. watching hockey and scoring fights at the same time way to go d-bag.
So basically...
…you’re saying he only predicts fights correctly when the person he picks to win, does. Do I have that right?
wow your slow. he is calling a fight so it should be objective but he picks a winner before it starts then scores the fight to ensure that happens on his card. so basically what im saying is work on your reading comprehension i bet english your first language to.
I wasn’t sure how to really technically evaluate his footwork, since he was doing that bizarre almost like capoiera rhythmed movement. but as far as I could tell it was working
by phantasma475 on May 30, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Another grudge match ends
With both fighters giving each other props post-fight. Its amazing how trying to beat the shit out of each other for 15 minutes can heal old wounds haha. God I LOVE MMA!
wow i was wrong in every fight.......
i only got nog right and i personnally think he lost
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
by milk72 on May 30, 2010 1:25 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
This fail needs attention.
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it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on May 30, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I was sure that if Rashad was going to win, it would be by grinding out a lack luster decision. I got a lot of praise for Rashad for not getting cocky and trading, as he did with Thiago Silva. He did what he had to do, and made Rampage look bad. Save for that 2 minute window in the third round, Rampage looked like a fish out of water.
Duffee’s hype train isn’t the train we need to be talking about. Lil’ Nog got clowned tonight. I think he won the first, and COULD have won the third. I’m not worried about that. What I am worried about is how Jason Brilz just gave him a hell of a fight on short notice. I haven’t bought into the recent hype after defeating Cane, and I’m glad I didn’t. Good thing he brought his BJJ with him to this fight, because Brilz would have choked out a lesser man.
Why the hell did Sanchez go back to Welterweight? He deserves a big fat facepalm for that one.
Efrain Escudero…no real excuse for playing patty cake with Danny, he could have finished. And that “combo” he unleashed, you know, the one where like two out of ten shots landed? I was disappointed that Joe and Mike let on that a few were getting through, when it was more like next to none, and Efrain was wasting energy. Oh well, he won.
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i think forrest woulda soundly beat him
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
And then regain the same luster he had after defeating Shogun. He sucks the hype right out of fighters. Shame he got injured, this would have been his night.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
But the old mantra was proven true: styles make fights.
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 1:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I think Nogueira starches Forrest. Brilz brought something to the table that Nogueira didn’t have an entire camp to work against, namely high level wrestling. Brilz is no joke, having pounded away his last 3 opponents in the UFC. I don’t believe that Nogueira is overhyped, I just think that the LHW division is so stacked right now across the board that any fighter beats any other fighter.
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Escudero is just trying to reinforce that TUF Season 8 was a waste of time
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
Him throwing a fit after the point deduction was also sad. I didn’t really agree with the deduction, but don’t act like a child.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with your assessment
I think the point deduction pumped him up in a “oh now its REALLY on” kind of way. I hadn’t considered it as a fit til you said that though, maybe it was. I’ll have to watch it again
by RicketyCricket on May 30, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Him walking around the ring like that…nah, I think it was that Latino temper flaring up, hard. It certainly did fire him up though. I do find it funny that he was eating those right hands all through that 10 second scrap.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
They definitely fought like friends
Efrain was not that impressive to me.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
Without a doubt. No desire to finish, no killer instinct, minimal aggression.
They danced like fairies for 15 minutes.
Latino temper?
Really? You watch too many movies.
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Three words .......
LAY and PRAY . Thats all Rashad did . He didn’t want to win the fight but instead grind out a lack luster decision . Until the scoring system is dealt with your gonna see this lay and pray . You saw what happened when he traded with Rampage in the third ( same thing in the Silva fight ) . And sorry this lay and pray technique has got to go away . Its not MMA when you lay on a guy for three rounds , its a wrestling match .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
How can you lay and pray when you spent most of the fight backing Rampage against the cage?
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
OK , sorry ....
…. lean and pray . And all Rashad did was wrestle . Did he try to improve the position , no thats why the ref broke them up . Did he try to inflict damage while leaning one him , no he leaned like Coture just to waste time . I love wrestling in MMA as long as you do something with it . Like at the end of the third Rashad tried to end the fight with punches with the good position he got from his wrestling , I’m all for that . But laying or leaning on a guy for the win and out pointing someone is wrestling not MMA . If Rashad had tried to do something , other than lean on him I’d be fine with it , but all he did was lean / lay and pray .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
yes more like lean and pray
My buddy and I both said if this stuff continues on like this we’re going to stop watching all these PPVs. For all the stuff Rashad talked he was his same old boring self. Rashad didn’t even really land anything in the second round. It was almost like the second round with Thiago Silva where he had like 5 takedowns and a handful of strikes landed.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad obviously had an effective gameplan.. and it worked
But I agree with you. I don’t want to sound like the Sherdog boards here, but wrestling/lay-n-pray is ruining MMA for me. I enjoyed Andrade v. Lucas on Friday Night Fights more than that main event…
I'm right there
Rashad fought smart and won an important fight. He’s right back fighting for the title and that was the most important thing to him. I’d probably do the same thing if I were in his position. But, as a fan paying my hard earned money it’s not something I’m interested in watching. It’s not for me anymore than Duffe and Russow’s snoozing standup fight. This whole card sucked, the best fight was Brilz vs Noguiera … that was a good fight imo.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Fianlly some folks who get it !!! I'm not bitching about Rashad winning ....
…. I’m fine with that , even though I can’t stand the guy and I’ll admit Rampage is my favorite fighter , just the manor in which he won . I understand his game plan comming in , it was to take him down and control his strikes . I’m good with that . I would have called him a dumb SOB if he would have stood and traded with Rampage . But when the ref breaks it up because all your doing is leaning on him , inflicting no damage and just wasting time in general it ruins what could have been a great fight and a career changing win for Rashad . He taps , KO’s , TKO’s or finishes the fight I’d be the first one on here saying he was better than I thought he was was . But when you lay / lean on a guy because your afraid that first mistake you make will be your last you really need to consider why your fighting the guy in the first place . Rashad went out aginest Lyoto and laid it all out there and I give him props for that fight , but since then hes fought like a scared little bitch whos afraid to lose again .
And don’t get me wrong wrestling is a huge part of MMA and I love it . But when it turns into a wrestling match rather than an MMA fight thats when I’ve got issues with it . Rashad is a one dementional fighter and he gives wrestlers in MMA a bad name . GSP , Kos , Phil Daley and others implement wrestling into there game plans as MMA fighters with good GNP and BJJ mixed with good stand up , where as at this point Rashad is a wrestler who tries to fight . Yet again until the scoring system changes these types of shit game plans will never go away . Really who wants to finish a fight when you can go lean on a guy , take no damage and give no damage and still win the fight . Sorry about the long winded post but it pisses me off when an obviously talented fighter ( and by the way I can’t stand Rashad , but he does have talent that Greg Jackson refuses to let him use and in an MMA fight Rampage is the better fighter just not the better wrestler ) eeks his way to a a worthless , meaningless victory using on portion of MMA rather than the whole damn thing .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
The results of this fight...
would indicate Rashad is actually the better fighter.
And by winning the strikes, with one short exception, as well as the wrestling and positional game, it would also indicate that Rampage is the more one dimensional fighter at this point.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
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How so ? Did Rashad ...
… use his wrestling skill to inflict damage , no he did the opposite . He used his wrestling to avoid both doing damage and taking damage . Also he took Rampage down 4 times and every time Rampage got back up . Why you ask ? Because Rashad was doing nothing with his dominiate position . Was he going for submissions ? NO . Was he pounding him out ? NO . He was laying on him and leaning on him to aviod an actual MMA fight . The only thing this fight proves is Rashad can out wrestle Rampage not beat him in a real MMA fight . What other forms of MMA did Rashad use other than wrestling ? BJJ ? Nope . GNP ? Kinda but with no affect . Boxing ? Hell no he was scared to stand and I can’t blame him . So really how was this an MMA fight ? He used on form of MMA to lay his way to a decision and that is just a bitch move . Beat the other fighter in a real fight not a wrestling match . This is MMA not WWE .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Consider that Rashad used his wrestling and clinch game...
to tire Rampage out and sap him of his punching power and stricking speed.
Consider this especially in light of the fact that this was the same general idea that Jackson used for GSP / Penn II.
You may not like the positional battle, but I hazard to guess it was more to sap Rampage, who Rashad and his camp had every reason to question the conditioning of, than to hide from.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
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NO !!! Thats the problem , I love MMA ...
….. and this fight was not MMA , it was a glorified wrestling match . An like I’ve said if Rashad had damaged him with all grappling and wrestling I be pissed that Rampage lost , but he would have really lost and I’d have been OK with it all . But to win usings only one from of Mixed Martial Arts is not an MMA fight its a wrestling match or a boxing match or a kickboxing match NOT an MMA fight .
And Razeshat I agree with you on one thing , Rashads clinch and ground game did wear down the better fighter tonight . But I ask you this how was that an MMA fight ? Rashad used wrestling and wrestling prinicables to eek out a decision . There was really no significant damage inflicted by Rashad and all he did was lean / lay . To me an MMA fight was more like Nog and Brilz . It showed that wrestling can be used to set up better things , like a fight finisher whereas Rashad showed us everything wrong with the scoring system and in general with guys whom don’t want to fight but would prefer to turn an MMA fight into a junior college wrestling match . I’m sorry but the better fighter did not win tonight the better wrestler and last I checked this was MMA . Also I do love position battles , like in the Kim fight . But that was an MMA fight . Kim used striking , wrestling , BJJ and Judo to position himself to finish the fight . All Rashad did was clinch and lean and then take down and lay . He did nothing to improve his position to inflict damage he simply out wrestled Rampage and out clinched him . Is that what MMA is turning into ?
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
Then Chuck Liddell is not an MMA fighter. He is a kickboxer. He shouldn’t be fighting in MMA because all he does is stand and trade. That’s it. That’s the logic you are using. That if someone uses only one discipline in a fight then it’s not a true MMA fight. That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
I guess Rashad didn’t hit him with a big shot to start the fight that staggered him to get to clinch.
I guess Rashad didn’t take him down at the end of the 3rd round and repeatedly punch him and improve position.
Just stop. You sound ridiculous.
No what sounds ridiculous ....
…. is your assumptions . Chuck has amazing wrestling and take down defense to go along with his kickboxing . And really did you read the whole post or what ? I gave great examples of an MMA fight on tonights card . And wow Rashad landed ONE meaningful shot . And then wow with like 40 seconds to go he finally let his fear walk away and hit Rampage a few times . But did he do any real damage ? NO, he won via lean / lay and pray . So really if you wish to continue by all means bring your rash assumptions along and we can debate as long as you want , but this fight was a wrestling win not an MMA fighter win . He used wrestling and thats it .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
This has been said many times
and is still an objective fact. Rashad won an mma fight tonight. He went into an mma regulation cage and fought within the unified mma rules and had 3 judges award him a victory. If anything, he took advantage of the fact that it was an mma fight every time he pressed Rampage against fence considering I’ve never seen a wrestling match where this is allowed. Cage pressure is a purely mma skill that isn’t present in any other combat sport I can think of. He won. His style bores you. Get over it or ignore/don’t watch his fights.
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by Rudinho479 on May 30, 2010 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Sorry gotta disagree with you there . Where did he use ...
……anything other than wrestling ? He is a waste of talent and thats what pisses me off . This kid has stand up , he has wrestling , he has speed and he could be a great fighter , but instead he grinds out not one but two fights aginest better fighters he has no chance of beating in an MMA fight so he turns it into a wrestling / clinching match . And yet again great he leaned his way to victory wheres the MMA in that ? And in Boxing they lean aginest the ropes to attempt the same results , to grind out the round and wear the other fighter down . Also thats great to say …….
3 judges award him a victory….. because he couldn’t take it . He counted on three folks to give me a win , thats sad . Hes a fighter and needs to fight to win not be awarded victory via some judges due to clinch / wrestling stalling skills . GSP uses the same strategy with one glaring difference , he attempts to win / finish the fight where Rashad attempts to lean on dudes so the judges can hand him a win . GSP earns his decisions through his attempts to end fights . When did Rashad attempt to end the fight ?
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he outstruck rampage 3-1
Scored takedowns and landed on the feet, thus making him two dimensional. Rampage didn’t shoot for a takedown or sprawl, thus making him one dimensional.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
This
Also, you seem to have an absurdly warped sense of what it means to be an “mma” fighter or fight an “mma” fight. Honestly, all it means to be an mma fighter is that you step in the cage or ring and fight according to the unified rules, period. So long as you follow the rules, you can duck walk for three rounds while throwing elbows and it’s fair game. I’m looking at this thing objectively.
Rashad ended the fight on top raining down hard punches. He began the fight with a heavy shot that set the tone for the entire fight. Frankly, he fought a beautiful fight that suited his talents perfectly. Had he stood in the pocket and traded with Rampage, he would have gone to sleep, and that’s perfectly fine. It’s not a knock him Rashad that he knew this going into the fight and made sure to minimize the chance of this happening. That’s like saying “if he waded into Maia’s guard, he’d get submitted” and then expect a fighter to do so because you think it’s the real way of fighting.
I really loathe these types of comments, but in this case I believe it’s necessary: do you train in any of the mma disciplines? If so you’d know that what was going on when Rashad had Rampage against the fence was not only exhausting for both fighters, but unexplainably technical. The fact that the fight rarely went to the ground is a testament to both fighter’s skill set. If you’ve never done clinch/cage work, go grab something big and heavy, press it against a wall, and squeeze it as hard as you can for two minutes. You will barely be able to move. Now add another human being to the mix pushing/pulling/yanking etc. while also throwing short punches and giving you severe charly horses. Now you’ll have an inkling of an idea of what exactly was going on inside that cage.
This is part of mma. Deal with it.
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by Rudinho479 on May 30, 2010 5:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Another great rebuttal.
Kinda seems like dude is just repeating his original point because he can’t explain himself properly. Which makes sense since it’s a dumbass argument.
Rec’d.
Its called sticking with your guns . And go ahead ...
…. say what you will but AniMal34 you had to get other folks to give you a good argument rather than do it yourself . So your the dumbass who couldn’t make his own argument .
Now on to Rudinho479 , yes I do train . I boxed for 7 years and have done some form of Martial Arts for going on 12 years . I now train and fight .At my current training facility I train in Judo , Muay Thai and BJJ and honestly my wrestling is lacking . And yes I’ve been in the cage with the less talented guy that liked to lean / lay on me and in my eyes its a cheap demeaning way to win an MMA fight . I realize that the clinch game and having to fight your way of the cage / mat is difficult and tiring , but its what guys who don’t want to fight do . They go in with the game plan to lean on you , to wear you down and themselves down in the process , so that by the third round both of you , no matter how good you were , are fighting a sloppy fight by the third round so that the one dementional wrestler can eek out a decision . Sorry but to me its a cheap way to win and the scoring of all this leaning / laying on guys needs to change . Also I fight as a hobby not a career . I’m 33 years old and my best fighting days are behind me . Thats also a reason this lay and pray shit pisses me of on a personal level . While I can’t stand Rashad he is a talented fighter that is a bit gun shy after his KO loss . He has all the tools to be great but instead he lays / leans on guys to avoid any real fight breaking out . Also no credit is given to Rampage . He came out after over a year away from fighting and still almost won the fight in round three . If not for the ring rust ( which I personally underestimated ) he would have won this fight . You could see his timing , for his boxing , was just plain off . Rampages wrestling and take down defense were great , but the time away from the ring left it lacking a bit and he still managed to stuff take downs and get up from the mat every time he was there . So really was Rashad all that good or was Rampage just rusty and needed a warm up fight before taking on a top 10 light heavyweight ?
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This
is a butthurt Rampage fan at his worst. Not surprising that you would say that you fight, which could be true or not, and you are the worst in the wrestling department.
All that needs to be said is that this is a fight. A fucking fight. Rashad can do whatever he wants as long as it falls within the rules to win said fight. It’s about winning it’s not about pleasing you. Good fighters do the smart thing.
When you go into the cage you won’t always be the best striker, so you find a way to neutralize that and win another way. You won’t always be the best wrestler so you should find a way to neutralize that and win another way. Rampage couldn’t do that which means he isn’t as good as Rashad, as an all around fighter. He might be a better boxer with a more pleasing style to fanboys but he is clearly not the better all around fighter.
Enough said about that.
by Geno Mrosko on May 30, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey I was asked if ...
….. I trained or fought and answered honestly . So go ahead and be a douch nozzle , but a fact is a fact and last night the better fighter did not win the better wrestler won . Now get back to your day job and go gobble some knob or go lay and pray while some trick pops it in your pooper you little ho .
You wanna name call I can do that too , but I prefer to keep it civil rather than call names . Your points are weak , keyboard warrior type comments . While Rudinho479 makes good points you just ride his coat tails and say yea thats right . He also prefers to debate rather than name call and all you seem to want to do is call out folks fanhood because their opinion differs from yours and your too short sighted to see where their coming from .
As for your comment ……
Good fighters do the smart thing.Yes good fighters do the smart while doing damage to the other fighter . The perfect example is GSP . He uses his wrestling to set up his GNP and his submission game . He attempts to end the fight like any good fighter would . Rashad leaned / layed on Rampage , set up nothing ( other than his take downs which he did nothig with ), did no damage and in general seemed scared to try to finish the fight . He refused to make any attempt to finish the fight because he was afraid he may lose position . He , not once , set up for a submission nor did he GNP until very late when position didn’t matter any longer . All he did was out point Rampage in a wrestling match . All I ask in any MMA fight from any wrestler is the attempt to finish the fight or inflict as much damage as possiable and Rashad did neither .
Kinda seems like dude is just repeating his original point because he can’t explain himself properly. And you are the pot callin the kettle black there pal . Your can’t explain your point and you follow the smart guys lead . So come up with an original point and stop being a " Yea thats right " guy . Apply your own thoughs rather than coping someone elses .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet more pearls of retardation .....
…. from the king of the tards . What no one here to make your points so all you got is that weak ass shit ? And sorry boxing , as a sport , is in its death throes and I’m an MMA guy anyway . The only person who should be ashamed here is the coat tail riding , retard know as AniMal34 . You have had not one though of your own on this entire post . But by your own standards heres one for you …. You should be ashamed of yourself . Go watch wrestling .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming from the guy ...
… who used the word " butthurt " ? Really ? And you may want to defend your weak argument instead of saying dude grow up as your defense .
Come on now defend your posts or shut up its as easy as that . You wanna name call I can go that route you wanna debate lay and pray I can go that direction too . But refering to someone as butthurt is not part of an adult conversation . So to use the words of some troll on this site ……….
Seriously dude, grow up.
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What you start I finish . So if you ...
… wanna go that route gimme your best there pal . And who started the name calling ? Thats right you did with your dumbass comment and then your weak " butthurt " line . So take it that direction …. ohh thats right you can’t , your a follower rather than a leader hence why you can’t defend your weak ass argument .
Like I said defend your weak posts or just shut up .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yet again a weak post . Is that all you ...
… do is post weak shit and then when someone calls you on it you name call and then post " Haha your soft " or " Grow up " ? You really are a weak poster eh ? No defense of your position ( you let others do your talking rather than post something of your own ) and no real argument . Wow thats kinda pathetic on your part .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Lame ....
…. post again . Wow your witty . Defend your posts or are you to pathetic to even defend your opinion ?
by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Weak.
By the way, you should learn the proper usage of the word your. What you wanted to type was you’re.
You’re welcome.
Wow the ....
… grammer police routine ? By the way you should defend your weak ass posts . Your Welcome .
What did you realize that your posts were weak so you decided to just go the grammer police routine because its all you got ….. Pathetic , just pathetic . Grow a pair and defend your posts .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Where did you get your ....
…… psychology degree Mexico ? Weak as usual . So you gonna post again or puss out ? My guess is the latter . Weak posts and weak minded your a winner .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
WEAK !!!!!!
Ohhh no I did what you wanted . Psychology is not your strong point eh ? Try again fish .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a keyboard warrior.
Didn’t you know? I’m a big tough guy who can call names and say whatever I want since I don’t actually have to answer for it. That’s me.
Well fish glad to see ...
… you finally admit what was already known . What am I getting to you ? Are you sad because your psychology didn’t work , again ? Keep up your weak attempts at psychological warfare , its funny how pathetic they are and its makes me laugh ( at you not with you ).
by MidWayMonster54 on May 31, 2010 4:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Alright bud
I’ll give you the last word. I know you’ll reply to this because you can’t help it. You’ve proven to me many things and I appreciate that. You have a good life bud.
Yes! Call his fanhood into question
Like if you didn’t vote for Obama, you hate America. I love this intelligent discussion.
yep. thats all he did.
Nothing else. At all.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Rashad and Rampage
leaned on each other while giving front-facing standing back massages to each other the entire fight. DID YOU EVEN WATCH IT? JESUS!
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Ill say again, the stupidest thing Rashad could have done is try to trade haymakers with Jackson
Evans fought a near perfect fight.
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by RogersPark Kris on May 30, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
And wrestling is a martial art. I’m not gonna complain about kickboxing matches, or boxing matches in MMA. If you can’t defend it, get laid on then, Rampage got schooled, no matter what kind of scoring system you bring in.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear that
But, I don’t think you should really get any kind of credit for pressing a guy against the cage. Thats not really a point scoring technique in my opinion.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s dictating where the fight is taking place, denying his opponent the ability to employ certain techniques… Sounds like controlling the fight, whether it’s exciting or not.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on May 30, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he won he won he won. He totally won.
But it’s hard to watch someone use wrestling as an end, not as a means to an end, like using it to acheive Gnp or a sub, or using it to sprawl and force someone to stand and trade. Wrestling is beautiful when combined with finishing skills, and completely frustrating when it isn’t.
by judonerd on May 30, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
he didn't GnP
? cuz I’m pretty sure he did
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
There we no punches thrown in that fight.
In the hyperbolic critique of the fight articulated afterward, not one fighter threw a strike in the entire fight. Didn’t you get the memo?
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
There are techniques to get out from the bottom. I see it that fighters should learn how to defend takedowns and how to get off from the bottom , not that lay and pray technique should go away. Granted, I find lay and pray boring, but I find more fault with the fighter on the bottom not being able to get up from it and looking for the ref to get them out of a bad situation.
Quit bitching
Randy Couture has made a career out of fighting exactly how Rashad did. It was the smart thing to do. You must not have seen him tag him hard on the chin in the first 20 seconds too. Fail.
Yes, I do disagree. There’s no “kinda” about it. ;-)
by architectzero on May 30, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha. Okay, bro. Whatever you have to say to help prove your point.
by Applejack McNeil on May 30, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
When Diego was at lightweight everybody complained that he looked drained and lost power. Now he should have never gone back to welterweight? Its going to take him some time for him to put his mass back on. Also, BJ might have broken him.
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Well, I don’t fall into that everybody category, I thought he was looking good, but you are correct in your majority assessment.
On top of all this, he has to change up his standup. Predictable, as, hell. And it all looks the same. Gotta do something about that, or he’s screwed.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He's screwed no matter what he does.
He’s not an elite or uniquely gifted athlete. He’s not all that intelligent in his approach to the game. He doesn’t possess a superior weapon. He’s not better than a majority of the fighters in either the WW or LW divisions at any one facet of mma except for his energy and will. Sure, it has taken him far, but everybody talking about the division he should be fighting in seems to be assuming that, if he chooses the correct one, he can make a run at the title. The sad truth is that the sport of mma has passed him by. He came into the sport before the legitimate, intelligent athletes decided to throw themselves into it, hence his becoming a big name as the sport began to blow up.
Diego’s a tough guy. He always finds a way to stay competitive and he will always come forward until he’s either knocked out or choked unconscious, but his days as a “top” fighter are over, regardless of which division he throws his hat into.
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Luiz Arthur Cane has some of the worst defense I've ever seen
Does he ever try to dodge a punch? Or does he just like blocking them with his face?
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Its like he sees that straight right coming off the back foot and cant do a damn thing about it
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 1:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There was nothing unsatisfying about Rashad’s great performance against Rampage unless your a guy who picked against him. Rashad proved alot of the talking heads wrong and had his way with Rampage for the majority of this fight.
Maybe people got caught up in the Rampage hype but he was never on another level than Rashad. The idea that he was was ridiculous and simply lacking in facts maybe that’s why so many people don’t know how to react because they never thougth Evans would win.
by Nightwhistler on May 30, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
shogun kills rashad
convincingly
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
by milk72 on May 30, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I've heard that somewhere else before...
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
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by Razreshat on May 30, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t think so, I think his take down defense is gonna bite him in the ass.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
no shogun doesnt
rashad will hold shogun down for a few rounds and tire him. “Muay Thai’s no good when you’re on your back.”
Jui jitsu works pretty well there though.
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Yeah, goes both ways though. Regardless of who might win, the fight doesn’t interest me all that much.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Rashad is the only contender right now
And besides, a healthy Shogun doesnt have boring fights
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 1:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This
Shogun has this magic in him, where, when healthy, he can turn almost any fight into a straight brawl. He nearly did it with the first Machida fight. That’s saying somethin’.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
even when unhealthy
the forrest fight was awesome, and the only bad one in his career was the second coleman fight
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
No doubt, and a smart, fight-to-win, Rashad, does have boring fights. We’ll see who’s excitement (or lack of) overpowers the other.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what I'm excited to see.
Shogun’s jiu jitsu. We haven’t really see it much. His sweeps on Machida were excellent, but Machida was doing a horrible job controlling his hips and posture.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Shogun has sick jiu-jitsu. An amazing half-guard, high-level sweeps, and a great heel hook game that gives him your back if you manage to defend it.
Gimme some exemplary fights to watch
where he shows his sick jits, and I’ll check it out. I haven’t studied Shogun like I should :)
I will say this: not impressed with his take down defense. But that’s another matter altogether.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Rashad showed he still has the power double
Shogun will have a tough time controlling where the fight happens. He has a very good bottom game though and actually is better off his back than on his feet.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless Mark Coleman is on top of him.
Seriously, I keep on hearing awesome stuff about Shogun’s jiu jitsu, and I’d like to see it. It’s not that I don’t believe folks – I just want to be able to watch it.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Shogun/Arona comes to mind. Shogun/LilNog
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll go back and watch the Arona fight.
That’s gotta be a good one. I don’t remember it well at all. I remember a lot of awesome striking during Shogun/Lil Nog and some awesome scrambling on the ground. I’ll need a refresher on it too.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Pride days—the randleman win was a great example of his leg attack game. He also almost caught Arona, an ADCC champ, with an omoplata. You can also see his heel hook transitions in the Liddell fight, and you get a glimps of his sweeps in the Machida fight.
I can’t recall other specifics, but his fights are definitely worth watching.
Why do people boo Bisping?
Randy was just on MMA Live offering some constructive criticism for Bisping…. They cut to Bisping waiting to the side as he points over his shoulder at Randy and mouths, “Fuck him.”
That’s why people boo Bisping.
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 1:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I have to admit, I loved his footwork at UFC 100
by Steve4192 on May 30, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The outrage for the Nog/Brilz fight is going to come nowhere close to reality. My main goal when watching a fight isn’t to judge it, I thought Brilz won the first, but it was very close. And if people can keep the “holy shit Brilz isn’t dead yet” out of their heads, maybe they will realize that it was closer than they think.
What I was trying to argue in the other thread
but phrased much more eloquently.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Maybe because they didn't think it was that close?
Personally, I thought the only round Lil Nog could have won was round 3 and I even gave that to Brilz. Personally, I thought Brilz beat Lil Nog’s ass tonight.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally, Personally
Sorry for that retarded shit
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Round 3? Brilz?
He did show some excellent head movement while he was stuck in the crucifix.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
can't do it ...
because I’m wrong. Upon re-inspection of the fight round 1 was really the toss up round while 2 & 3 were obvious. I still give it 2 round to 1 for Brilz. The first round was the crucial round. Mob mentality reigned supreme initially but it was actually a pretty close fight. Not going to argue a position I no longer believe in defending.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Round 2 was definitely Brilz
and round 3 goes to Nog, but it was closer than round 2. I agree round 1 was the closest.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
So if that was a five rounder you think page takes it?
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by ekc on May 30, 2010 1:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
rashad will get murdered in a five round fight
he cant string 3 good rounds in a row together
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
I would have fallen asleep by then.
But Page would have taken it.
Not sure. ’Page looked like he burned himself out when he went crazy on Rashad after the knockdown.
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Rampage admitted in the post fight interview that he pretty much threw all of his eggs in one basket with that punch and subsequent assault. There’s no way he would have survived another two rounds with a relatively fresh Rashad.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
I’m not convinced that Rashad’s 3 rounder gameplans are in any way amenable to five rounders. He tends to fade and slow in the 3rd and when he does he deteriorates very quickly (I cite both the Rampage and Silva fights). His striking defense isn’t great, and he seems to only have success when jumping into range, which is to say he has problems staying in the pocket and can’t handle a protracted gunfight.
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by Rundownloser on May 30, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Stun Gun was the highlight of the night for me.
Thoroughly dominating. Constantly advancing position, looking for a crack in the armor. Kim showed some creativity on the ground as well. Really fun to watch.
I specializes in grammar fail.
he looked amazing strong
and could be a force at ww id like to see him fight someone with a high level grappling game like the karo fight again
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
I'm starting to rethink "chins"
It seems most everyone is in one big pool and have or have not been hit with the “right punch” yet. Of course there will always be outliers like Big Nog or Jonathan Goulet, but they may be like 3% at the opposite ends of the spectrum.
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 1:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's it basically
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
He actually ate quite a few good shots from Rampage
on the way in. I was actually impressed with his chin relative to his other performances (see Machida & Silva).
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Or is his chin amazing...
because between the Thiago fight and this one he has survived big power punchers. Just a thought because even with Machida, it took several shots to put him to sleep.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
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By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
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He's also got a poor gas tank.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
Gas tank looked more than fine tonight.
And his ‘poor chin’ stayed kept him awake during a GnP that would’ve KO’ed many. His striking looked very sloppy though.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Regarding the third round
Rampage rocked him, then ended up on his back, eating a lot of punches. Rashad’s assault lasted longer.
Milk,
Rasahd came back and ended the third very strong. I saw nothing tonight that makes me think Rampage would have won a five round fight.
That said, Shogun kills both Page and Evans.
little reply fail there
yea he ended it strong but still another 2 rounds i think would have ended with rashad unconcious on the mat
however both fighters looked pretty bad in the fight and its really gonna start talk of the shogun era
and this needs to happen, rampage vs jon jones/matyushenko winner (my picks recently have sucked so bad im not counting vladdy out)
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
loL@ both fighters looking bad.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
BTW.
I think people are forgetting that Nog spent months training for Forrest Griffin not a wrestler like Brilz.
It works both ways
Brilz only had a couple of weeks to train for an elite boxer/jiujitsu player.
Props to Brilz for exceeding everyone’s expectations.
I picked the wrong night to start picking fights. Anyone who gave lil nog that fight is way bias, end of story.
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by frosty31 on May 30, 2010 1:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
dot dot dot
Because what? You say so? If a round is close, like round 1, then it can go to either fighter. Same with round 3. I think Brilz won but, by no means is anyone “way bias” just because they think lil nog won.
Rashad out-wrestled Rampage?
Thought that was impossible.
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by lowellthehammer on May 30, 2010 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the both got wore down...
and Rashad was winning on the feet in both of those fights before he got tagged
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
nope
a 24 year old getting caught doesnt get me off his hype train
hes young and will come back way way way better he looked awesome for 99% of the fight too
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
He will. He’s talented for sure, and athletic. I just think the fans, and Duffee himself, would be better served if expectations were kept at a reasonable level. Unfortunately, reason and the Internet are hardly ever found in the same room.
by pud333 on May 30, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
EXACTLY
He’s 24 years old. Let him fight a little bit more before we start talking about bandwagons.
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I think it is now todd duffee.
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by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's just me but it seems a lot of MMA fighters are "taking advantage" of take downs and ring controll
I think the only thing Rashad has proved in his last three fights is that he can’t stand with strikers and that laying on your opponent for three rounds will “win” the fight. Don’t get me wrong, I understand that Rashad clearly won the fight within the rules of the octagon but he didn’t really beat up Rampage. I would say he utilized the lay n pray method well but never forced any damage aside from that opening hook that momentarily rattled Page.
Unfortunately the rules provide these types of “fighters” a guaranteed W unless the other fighter can knock them out. It’s a ridiculous way to win a fight and I wouldn’t even call it a fight at that. The only time Ill ever order a fight with Rashad on it is when it’s against Shogun and he’s getting destroyed.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
It's interesting to me...
that so many people are “offended” by people stating they didn’t enjoy the main event. I didn’t enjoy it at all. Not everyone likes every style. I won’t pay to watch Rashad again either. I work too hard for my money to spend it on stuff that puts me too sleep.
Your comments about the “rules” are the very reasons the Gracies sold their interest in the UFC.
you can not like it, but to act like it’s the worst thing we’ve ever seen or that it’s going to bring upon the death of the sport are a bit unrealistic. And people saying stuff like that deserve to be mocked.
People talking about the death of MMA are dumb obviously. But in my opinion the fight was a bit of a boner kill, and I’m not the only person that felt that way it seems.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
pretty much. i know its styles and all, but no one (well, almost no one) would bitch if the fight looked like sotoropilous/stevenson
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 1:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only way you could've enjoyed the main event was if Rashad is your favorite fighter
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
I enjoyed it and Rashad bugs the hell out of me. I just don’t care if one fighter abuses another’s obvious weakness.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Not even then man . If your a wrestler you may have loved this ...
… fight , but this ain’t wrestling now is it .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry reply fail !!! Was responding to Andrew602 .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Only fail here is that you thought you mis-replied, you responded to him just fine. It’s okay, it’s late, everyone gets free passes. :)
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
But how much wrestling actually went on. I didn’t see a lot of transitions compared to other grappling fights. Rashad had trouble getting Rampage down, for the most part, but even when he did, he couldn’t move around as much as he would’ve liked.
To kyfm621, maybe you did but you cant say it succeeded in matching the prefight hype. I hate Bisbing but found his fight enjoyable and he actually beat the hell out of Miller for three rounds. Completely opposite fight.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
Not entirely sure on this
But if Russow doesn’t finish Duffee I think that would’ve been the first UFC PPV main card to have every card go the distance since the “3 title fights” night eons ago.
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every fight*
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
UFC 76 had 4 decisions, and the only finish was Griffin/Shogun at 4:45 of the third round.
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 30, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that was even closer than tonight. Best part is it was titled UFC 76: Knockout
And we had no knockouts.
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by SSreporters on May 30, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
BANG! BANG! bop.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
And THATS for beating me up this whole fight…meanie. lol It’s going down in history. This is the complete oppose of Hendo’s flying fist drop on Bisping after that KO.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
opposite*
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It actually wakes Duffee up.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
After finding Duffee’s button, he kindly switched him back on.
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 30, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love the little tap at the end.
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he may as well have hogan leg dropped. it would have been just as ridiculous.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good night sweet prince
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by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
65k bonus go to
Russow KO of the Night
Brilz/Nog FOTN
Jensen Sub
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Brilz deserved that one.
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by Earl Montclair on May 30, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i had Brilz winning
But hey, that’s how it goes. He fought gamely against a guy everyone thought was going to smash him.
As for Duffman…damn. Maybe he should have bought MORE into his hype and smashed Russows shit UP.
Get rid of the ramp!
by ihateemo on May 30, 2010 1:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Very excited about Hathaway, btw
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 1:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
he looked so good
he looked like bj the way he was avoiding diegos takedowns
which makes me ask are diegos takedowns just easy to defend or is hathaway talented at bjs level
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Rashad's way of winning is like going up 1-0 in a hockey/soccer game
And then parking the bus the rest of the way. It’s not pretty but it wins fights…until you meet that elite team that kicks your ass.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
by SSreporters on May 30, 2010 1:44 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
It works for Inter Milan
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa. Mourinho teams win 2-0, not 1-0.
Oh, and TFC won a road game 3-1 today. I am happy.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
I don't want to talk about soccer today
NYRB can’t beat MLS teams but have no problems with international squads.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
You know international clubs tend to play at a much lower intensity level in friendlies right?
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
let me keep my thought that we are #7 in Serie A
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus all their quality players have probably already reported to their national teams...
for the World Cup.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
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I was very entertained watching the last leg of the semifinals when their strategy was “don’t lose 2-0.” Not sure how I would have felt if I wasn’t Italian, but I am, so who cares.
Oh it was a very good game, but I’m a Barca fan and winning like that is bitchmade.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
If you are Italian you must not have been very entertained during the final.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Well then.
Let me scold you for not enjoying a decision MMA fight.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Oh good, a soccer mention.
Has everyone been waiting for the obligatory post-UFC Filippo Inzaghi reference?
I’m currently zeroing in on the Noguiera fight…
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 2:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you make an obligatory Inzaghi reference
I’m making my obligatory “you shut your whore mouth when you talk about the king” statement.
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A great man (Sir Alex) once said
Its like Inzaghi was born offsides.
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 2:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
rampage vs bones jones/matyushenko winner
im not ruling vladdy out cause my picks have all sucked recently
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
I think Jones/Lil Nog is justifiable after tonight's result.
This assuming Jones wins.
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great match we almost had in the 2005 Grand Prix
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 2:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol.
Rashad did a lot more than he’s getting credited for, but thats just how its going to be for him it seems.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Same with GSP, and numerous other fighters. It’s so common I’m not even gonna argue over it anymore.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 30, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
yea.
The difference is that GSP is the best guy by far in his division. The LHW division has problems for everyone, and styles really do determine the fights. It isn’t as if Rashad could just stand in front of Quinton and throw punches… He had a game plan and stuck to it… He did a good job of picking times to attack, and showed a lot of grit not only to survive in the third, but to turn the tide and start pounding on Rampage to finish the fight
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
btw I wasn't disagreeing
just expanding a bit on Rashad’s particular dilemma.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
I personally love it the more excuses and complaining people make the more I enjoy it. The fact is if you can’t put your own bias and crap aside to give a guy who won the fight props you’re a joke.
I had no problem giving DHK props for beating Amir even though all week long I talked about how overated he was and was going to lose. You know why?, because when you go in there execute your gameplan and win you deserve respect. Sadly too many people here are fanboys and not real fans they can’t seperate themselves from fighters and take it all personal when it’s not.
You sound like a fanboy
with that mini rant. No one has to hold themselves to the same standard you choose to do. It’s not like it’s so impossible to think that some people really feel that way and they aren’t being fanboys? Typically the guy calling everyone else fanboys is the one trollin … just sayin. I can give Rashad props for the win but it doesn’t mean I have to like it. That shit about put me to sleep. Rashad played it safe and leane on a rusty Rampage all night. Nothing more, nothing less. Basically, for all the hype from Rashad and Rampage the fight fell extremely short of those expectations. Rashad thinks he’s hot shit or something when he really looked very sloppy and almost got knocked out the second fight in a row when he was basically dominating the whole fight. Thats just sad.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you have it backwards.
You should have written “I sound like a fanboy.”
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
It's like Rashad ...
Is going through that GSP metamorphosis where his whole game from here on out is going to be leaning and laying his way to a decision. If you like it then thats awesome. Personally, I can’t stand that anymore than half sloppy ass wanna be boxing match like Duffe and Russow. I want to see someone be agressive on the feet and the ground at all times. None of that stalling bullshit.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Duffee's offensive boxing looked pretty good imo.
And I really enjoyed the Rampage and Rashad fight. I’d say I enjoyed it about 5x more than the Bisping-Miller fight. At least.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
I thought from a technique / skill displayed perspective that Nog vs Brilz was the best fight. It had everything from the striking, wrestling, control, submission attempts from both guys and constantly trying to advance position … fighting. The boxing (duffe vs russow), rasslin (rashad vs rampage) and kick boxing (miller vs bisping) matches did nothing for me. I enjoyed the hathaway fight to an extent but the best was the noguiera fight, even though I think my boy lil nog got whooped tonight.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Could I refer you to a little site called...
sherdog.com…the people their like the same brand of Cool Aid you do.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
I don't have a problem giving props to Rashad
Because he won the fight. He clearly won and I’ll even say he won the 3rd round. He did nothing to make me think he did not win the fight. But if your going to call it a fight, shouldn’t both be fighting each other? You can say there are rules and fighters can gameplan around the rules but somewhere down the line certain fighters manipulate these rules in order to get a win. He didn’t inflict any damage on Rampage IMO and did what he had to do to win the fight. Good for him. But because of Rashad, the fight fell extremely short of expectations. Why? Because Rashad wanted to win the fight by leaving the decision up to the judges.
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
So you're blaming Rashad 100% because Rampage couldn't get off the fence?
Really? Rampage can’t break the clinch or stop the takedown and that’s Rashad’s fault?
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Maia rarely inflicts damage on other fighters...
yet he usually wins…is it really that different.
And out scoring another fighter going to a decision is a perfect valid way to win a fight, even if you don’t prefer it.
Also, this “But because of Rashad, the fight fell extremely short of expectations. Why? Because Rashad wanted to win the fight by leaving the decision up to the judges.” is utter bullshit. Rampage was in that ring and had every opportunity to implement whatever his gameplan was. Its not like this was some concert that Rashad failed to give a good performance in, both men get an equal opportunity to control the outcome of the fight and Rampage was simply not up to the task.
Blaming Rashad alone because you didn’t like the fight is stupid, if anything you should blame Rampage for talking up so much shit but being utterly unable to back it up.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Rampage backed it up to an extent
He did land the most meaningful strike in the fight and came pretty close to finishing it. He was obviously rusty and Rashad was a game opponent. Rampage did pretty well shrugging off most of the takedown attempts and other than round 3 didn’t even take any signifigant damage from said successful takedowns.
Did Rashad back up his talk just because he won the decision? I don’t think either of them backed up their talk, personally. Rashad didn’t impress me tonight and Rampage sure as shit didn’t either.
Rashad won the win but I think they both came out looking like losers.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll put it like this. Neither performance inspires much confidence against Shogun or even Machida. I think they’d both get tooled by each of those guys with the way they looked tonight. Basically, that didn’t look like two of the best 205 lb fighters in the world even though both of them are just that. Bad performance by both guys in my opinion.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Luckily for the sake of your argument
Shogun has always displayed the really high level takedown defense he’ll need to defeat Rashad.
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TODDDUFFEEEEEEEEE
im still on the bandwagon fuck everyone who got off
when we look back in two years duffee will be an animal dominating people all coming from this moment when he got careless
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
I agree...
I think he shows a lot of promise.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Im still on the bandwagon too
I basically stapled myself to it, so…
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by Anthony Pace on May 30, 2010 2:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rampage lost because he allowed Rashad to control him against the fence. One of the problems with taking so much time off fighting in general is losing power, and it showed tonight.
Rashad fought a smart fight and won. Ultimately, I have that feeling that you only get when you anticipate something so much and the end feels like you didn’t get what you paid for.
Agree
Let me ask you, if we endure the same result Brock vs Carwin, will you or anyone else be disappointed?
What? I didn't break it, I was just testing its durability, and then I placed it in the woods becuase it's made out of wood and I just thought he should be with his family.
Revenge of the Birds
If we get 5 rounds of clinching people might riot. Those guys are too strong and have too many defensive liabilities, someone is going to sleep.
by Michael Rome on May 30, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Calling Rashad's smart wrestling 'Lay and Pray' means you are an idiot.
I know the “Just bleed” crowd hates technical wrestling but Rashad used and executed a smart strategy. He avoided Rampage’s power most of the fight. Great win Rashad.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 30, 2010 3:19 AM EDT reply actions
Depends what you were paying for, I was paying for a 3 round mma fight between Rashad and Rampage that’s what I got.
On top of that I saw Rashad take another step in becoming champion by having his way with Rampage who according to alot of people here was out of his league.
Aren’t there a million ongoing sherdog threads right now for you to pull this act in?
I didn’t even make picks on this show, and I actually really liked the show until the main event, which reminded me of a big boxing fight that doesn’t deliver. It’s really not good for the sport to have fights end with a lot of people feeling like they didn’t see what they paid to see.
by Michael Rome on May 30, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this man ^
The main event didn’t do it for me. But, only two fights delivered for me the entire night.
by Johnnynumber5 on May 30, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Weird
I’ve felt the urge to say “Get thee to Sherdog/UG” many times in this thread, but this comment doesn’t come close to meeting that threshold.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Yeah, I'm perplexed...
and which post in particular got a member of the staff to tell someone to go to a competing website.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Wow.
pretty disturbing to see a staff writer say something like that. Does anybody care about fighting smart?
Disturbing? Fighting smart isn’t a joy to behold when the guy fighting ‘smart’ promises to punish and doesn’t exactly deliver.
You know what is awesome about this?
Fight Metric releasing the report on the fight and Rashad handily beating Rampage in the stand up game. Hahahaha. Nothing better than that.
Actually this place right now is resembling Sherdog in many ways, with the complaining about wrestling and talking about how it’s going to ruin mma etc.
Also you keep talking about not getting what you paid to see i’ll ask you what did you pay to see?. Because to me the only people who seem disapointed are people who thought Rampage was on another level than Rashad.
by Nightwhistler on May 30, 2010 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Rampage was on another level...
it just turns out it was a lower level.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
by Razreshat on May 30, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Beautifully said.
Yeah, pretty tired of people acting like MMA fans and then getting pissed when they watch an MMA fight that wasn’t a boxing match. He fought smart. Would a finish have been nice? Sure, it has a certain finality to it. But I won’t ever sit here and talk shit about a fight because it wasn’t a boxing match.
Bring on Shogun
now i cant wait to see Shogun destroy Rashad ,hey can lean and pray or lay and pray all he wants and get Submitted, or stand up and get blasted ..lets make this fight for 117
"If you don't push yourself to the limit, how do you know where the limit is?"
Anyone else want a scoring/rule change?
I love wrestling, grew up wrestling, and love to watch guys dominate fights because they have superior wrestling. GSP, Sotoropolis, Lil Nog/Brilz fight, and many more have all have shown great ground games are fun as hell to watch.
Everyone defending the lay/lean and pray tactic (by anyone not just Rashad) as “fighting smart” and everyone else is stupid for wanting to see guys fight needs to explain to me where is the MMA in some guy dominating wrestling and nothing else. When I pay to watch a UFC PPV I pay for the mma not the wrestling and stalling. That’s why people are pissed with Rashad.
What I wish they would do is look at the whole fight instead of round by round so guys would stop worrying about winning rounds and just try to win the fight. That or give 9-9 rounds and be much more free with 10-8 and even 10-7 rounds.
As another point of reference- If the UFC used this kind of scoring system would there be any controversy or doubt that Brilz won the fight with how much he dominated round 2?
I know this will never happen but am I crazy for wanting it?
Rule change...
to better score wrestling: YES
Score fights as a whole: NO
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
I just hate the mentality of corners and fighters where all they try to do is win rounds and not win fights. The goal should be to finish every fight. If you score rounds as 9-9 or 10-8 10-7 rounds a fighter can’t be content with just stalling because if he gets dropped, a la Rashad v Silva, Rashad v Rampage, who knows how the judges will score it then.
You can not like it all you want...
I don’t like decision either, however you will never create a rule that does away with it or solves the “decision that no one likes”.
Just won’t happen, so the best you can hope for is a system that is as fair as possible.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Of course there will always be controversy if it goes to the judges. I’m sure we could write a lengthy list of new controversies this would bring up.
However the point of this modified scoring system would be to give fighters an extra incentive to end fights and not win rounds. If you just lay on a guy maybe the round is scored as 9-9, you don’t know, and if you get rocked that could be 10-7 who knows. The only way to have any clue of the outcome is to finish the fight, not win the round.
Did you forget the part were Rashad was landing punches on the ground?
No you didn’t but you just kept it out because it didn’t work with your post. sigh
by snakecharmer1340 on May 30, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you read my post? I specifically pointed out that i wasn’t talking about Rashad, but everyone and anyone who does lay/lean and pray. And just to prove my point even with a better scoring system Rashad would have won the damn fight because he dominated Rampage aside from a few seconds. sigh
Everyone defending the lay/lean and pray tactic (by anyone not just Rashad) as "fighting smart" and everyone else is stupid for wanting to see guys fight needs to explain to me where is the MMA in some guy dominating wrestling and nothing else. When I pay to watch a UFC PPV I pay for the mma not the wrestling and stalling. That’s why people are pissed with Rashad.
Yes, I did.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 30, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
And what of that is untrue? People are pissed with Rashad right?
The point of my original post was to say that mma/ufc could be scored better. As i earlier replied to you even with this system Rashad would have won the fight IMO. So wtf is your point?
Here is what I'm going to do... not waste my time with you anymore.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 30, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh Guess you win then
Thanks for taking the time to tell me you weren’t going to waste your time with me anymore.
Maybe next time you can have a point before you try to tear down mine and then it won’t feel like such a waste of time.
Okay I'll tag myself in for snakecharmer
To say that Rashad did nothing with his takedowns is completely disregarding the portions of the fight where he was punching rampage in the face. If Rampage can’t defend the takedown or separate from the clinch, then the onus is on him to implement a game plan. You fail to mention this so your comment comes off as only telling one side of the story and making it unfavorable towards Rashad when the reality is that Rampage landed all of 5 significant shots the entire fight, and those were on the ground.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit is anyone paying attention to what i’m saying. I already said Rashad won the fight!! I know Rashad won the fight! Rashad dominated rampage everywhere aside from 10 secs in the 3rd round!
My point wasn’t about the rashad/rampage fight or to say that rampage won (once again he didn’t) but to say that I wish the ufc would change there scoring so that if you just lay and pray you won’t win.
Are you and snakecharmer really defending that getting a guy down and laying on him is what you want to watch in ufc and that tactic should be rewarded? Does that prove who has the best MMA skills?
It is a smart tactic, albeit amazingly frustrating and one that I hate to watch, to get a guy down and lay on him the way the scoring is set up in MMA right now. If we want to prove who has the best MMA skils we should change the scoring format is my point.
What we're saying is that if you can't stop it
then don’t complain. The fact that high level wrestling is now straight up running mma and strikers haven’t developed sprawls/defense to prevent this, doesn’t mean scoring needs to change. It means that training needs to. You aren’t talking about the fight but you are. Let’s just look at camps.
Rashad
- Kru Phil Nurse who is a Muay Thai world champ
- Mike Van Arsdale who is an olympic wrestler
- Mo Lawall who is probably the best wrestler in MMA
- Rolles Gracie who is a ADCC silver medalist
- Jonathan Chaimberg who is the best S&C coach right now
Rampage
- Mario Neto for bjj
- Tony Quigley for boxing
- Dave Jackson for Thai
- Mike Dolce for S&C
If Rampage wanted to stand and bang he should have stopped the takedown and learned to break the clinch. And when Rashad outstruck Rampage 3-1 it shows that he mixed his wrestling and striking, thus being a more effect MMA fighter.
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i’m not arguing with any of those points. Rashad had a better camp and is clearly trying to improve on his overall game. As I said in my original post I love wrestling and love to watch wrestling when used as one of many MMA tactics.
Rashad didn’t lay and pray for the whole fight but i’d say that’s all he did for 75% round 1 and 2 and in round 3 he fought to win after getting rocked. He had the 1 big punch and was darting in and out with jabs on page but other then that it was stalling in round 1 and 2.
In my post I refer to Rashad b/c that’s the fight that just happened and is being talked about but my point is to fix the lay and pray problem as a whole, not talk about this fight. I’ve said it 3 times now i think… fighters should concentrate on how to end fights, not win rounds.
GSP is the best example of what wrestling should be. He has dominating take downs, great ground control and in constantly looking to inflict punishment and get subs whether its round 1 or round 5, even when he knows he won the other 4 rounds. I have no problem with watching him do that for 25 mins and would pay to see it. His whole mindset is how to finish the fight and uses wrestling to do it.
Last time I checked winning by decision is acceptable and if it was so easy to finish other fighters Rampage would have finished Rashad. The fact is Rashad executed a great gameplan and had his way with Rampage that deserves to be applauded not complained about.
by Nightwhistler on May 30, 2010 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW I appreciate that you actually have points and facts to throw out unlike the guy you tagged in for.
Hey Fortune I agree with you 100% , there are just some folks who like ....
…… boring , non finished , lean/ lay and pray fights . You make some great points .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
even with that
I still give it to Rashad. He landed more strikes and got more takedowns. Page rocked him, but Evans got him in the first round.
So then where does Rampage go from here?
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by Matthew Roth on May 30, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Please, please, PLEASE no. Once was once too often.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on May 30, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Whats up with Rampage?
As a Rashad fan the outcome of this fight was expected. All the wolf tickets Rampage was trying to sell during the Primetime were very convincing but the facts were against him.
The time off, his weight before starting his training camp, the style match up and speed difference (I usually go with the fighter who is faster/has better footwork anyway) and it just wasn’t coming out good for Rampage. I knew something was off when he was talking about how he was the most dangerous rampage that has ever been when that wasn’t the case. He is wealthy and popular now and in no way the hungry phenom he was back in Pride.
But I think the real question here and has always been does Rampage want to be a champion or even a good mixed martial artist again. Just like Carano, Jackson is a fighter with a very marketable look and a persona perfect for hollywood. He also has the skill-set and experience to be a good fighter.
I honestly worry if he wants to compete anymore? The fame, money and notoriety he enjoys can be attained easier in Hollywood than by competing in the most dangerous division in the biggest most competitive organization in the most grueling unpredictable combat sport there is.
Sorry one thing here ....
…. Rashads foot work , as it pertains to boxing , is not better than Rampages . Rashads footwork is sloppy at times and he get crossed up to much ( look at the Silva fight he got his feet crossed up at numerous points when using his stand up ) . Also when he gets tired his feet get worse . Rampage has great boxing feet . His feet are always in position to throw crisp , hard punches even whens hes tired . But you make some other valid points .
by MidWayMonster54 on May 30, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me clarify
I wasn’t saying Rashad had the better footwork, I was just giving an example of one of my deciding factors in picking fights. What Rashad lacks in proper footwork he makes up for in speed,which was what I was alluding too. There are definitely differences and nuances between the two but I still see them as two sides of the same coin, the coin being fighter mobility and or agility.
Rampage has scary power and counters but can be beaten to the punch. The double jab to overhand right was a thing of beauty and surprised even me.
well, I was out of town for all the fun (and all the BE chats), but watched the fights at the hooters where I was at and thought it was a good card
It blew my mind when Duffee got KOd by Russow. Although I think Russow was more shocked than I was.
I thought Brilz should have won the decision against Lil Nog, but it was a close fight. Would have helped if Brilz had a stronger last round I think, but looked like he was pooping out a bit more than Nog at that point.
All the undercards on Spike bored me for some reason.
Was surprised to see Sanchez get beat so handily.
Rashad/Rampage fight went pretty much like I thought assuming Rashad was smart enough to not just stand and trade with him. Looked like Rashad really was worried about trading with him even for a little bit, which from round three I think we can see why. I still don’t get why Rampage didn’t go after him more after he had him shook up in round three. But to be honest, I’m kinda glad Rashad won if only to spite all his haters.
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