Tennessee Commission issues $20,000 fines and nine-month suspensions for Strikeforce Brawl on CBS:
"Initial figures can all be reduced to fines ranging between $5,000-$7,500 and three-month suspensions if the recipients do not contest the proceedings and agree to 'settle this matter with a consent order.'"
"Although the commission has not yet identified the individuals, Sherdog.com has identified four of the six cited as Strikeforce middleweight champion Jake Shields, lightweight champion Gilbert Melendez, welterweight champion Nick Diaz, and middleweight Jason "Mayhem" Miller."
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oh i no but i bet Diaz and Strikeforce does. The ACs dont react too well to their rulings being ingnored
actually they dont react at all. Nothing ever came of Bigfoot fighting in Sengoku when he was suspended for testing positive. I think Barnett was going to aswell but he didn’t have a suspension just got denied a license to fight by the CSAC
by TannerMatthews on May 27, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s bull
They talk a good game, but when push comes to shove, they never punish anyone from fighting overseas while on suspension. Antonio Silva faced no repercussions for fighting in Sengoku while on suspension. Vitor Belfort faced no sanctions for fighting in Cage Rage while on suspension.
The commissions are all bark and no bite when it comes to fighters running from suspensions.
Eh, I think if you have to leave the country to fight, that works just fine. Isn’t anything out of the US out of their jurisdiction anyways?
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 27, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but that kind of defeats the purpose of being suspended anyway if you can just run off to japan and fight twice while suspended in the TN.
by TannerMatthews on May 27, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if the AC’s doing all they can do, I don’t mind.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 27, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hermes Franca was going to fight internationally after being suspended and I think it was Joe Silva who told him it was a bad idea.
That's because the UFC takes this stuff seriously.
Strikeforce on the other hand…
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by jemaleddin on May 28, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure but really who cares about Bigfoot silva compared to a bunch of high profile fighters who caused a brawl on network TV. Sure they will probably do nothing, but if there is a time to put the hammer down when it comes to not fighting while being punished it would be now.
I don’t think Tennessee has the staffing or the desire to be the commission that tries to figure out the international loopholes in sanctioning. They are a tiny and inexperienced commission.
He was EliteXC’s heavyweight champion at the time, and his title win was on CBS as well. A lot of people cared.
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no it wasent, his title win was on showtime.I repeat no one cared. but yeah agree with steve they probably wont even care or if they did don’t have the resources to do any thing.
You are correct, it was the main event on Showtime before they switched over to CBS. My bad.
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FEG doesn’t give a flying fuck what the Tennessee commission thinks.
True. FEG actually loves it when the North American AC’s start handing out suspensions. The higher profile the fighter and the longer the suspension the better. It means they get to pick up fighters on the cheap. Shitty attitude. But it is, what it is.
it's the wild west
you can get away with pretty much anything fighting in japan. isn’t that the general consensus?
I would imagine that Nick is already in Japan for the fight, i would doubt he has even responded to it yet. I’m sure the excuse of I was already overseas at the fight before you issued your judgement would be good enough to get him by the Tennessee commission. They would probably frown on him fighting overseas after he has talked to them and accepted the fine or chosen to fight it. though.
Sucks to be Strikeforce.
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not really
three month suspension? the only one who that could possibly effect is miller no one else would have a SF fight that soon anyways
by phantasma475 on May 27, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure they would have liked the option of plugging Diaz into the LA card now that Lashley is out.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
While Tim Kennedy is more fun to watch than Lashley hes not exactly the type of name fighter that sells tickets like Nick Diaz
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
I'd like to see evidence that Nick Diaz sells tickets - outside of the immediate Stockton area.
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by jemaleddin on May 28, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rapid descisive action by the AC. They must be really on the ball to take care of this so quickly.
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by Ubernoober on May 27, 2010 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Might be worth keeping in mind that the TNAC is still in the baby stages of excistance (in MMA at least)…something like this is a big deal for them, I’m sure they had to figure their shit out before doing either too little, or too much.
20k and a suspension is a big deal though, well done. Some commissions would just ignore it and let it happen, or hit them with a tiny fine and let the promotion handle the rest.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 27, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I’m not to fond of the stipulation that the penalty is reduced if the fighters choose not to contest the decision though. Sounds like they are trying to penalize guys if they choose to pursue their right to due process. That’s bullshit.
The reason they do that
is that an appeal would cost the commission more money in lawyers’ fees and whatnot. So they give the fighters incentive not to appeal.
by Albertrayon on May 27, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand why they do it, but it still feels shady.
Fighters should not be faced with increased fines and suspensions just because they exercise their right to have their day in court and say their piece.
You're looking for shadiness where there is none.
They aren’t saying “Fuck with us and you pay more!” They are basically offering a plea bargain, which is a generous act. If a hearing takes place then the AC will need to cover their legal and staff salaries. There is no issue here.
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Welcome to the UFC Jake.
Jake has 1 more fight on his contract but has a 6 week period to get it done, with the suspension, he can’t fight for Strikeforce so it becomes easier to walk away.
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by Matthew Roth on May 27, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, thats right
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on May 27, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it would be the opposite. The UFC has clauses that extend the contract if you turn down fights due to injuries/suspensions/“resigning”/just not wanting to fight. SF could easily have that, and this could give them a chance to use that option.
They do have champion's clauses
Jake didn’t have one in his EXC contract, which SF acquired.
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So it would be safe to assume that the clause that Phildo is refering to is nonexistant?
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by Matthew Roth on May 27, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
In Jakes case, I think we would have heard about it by now. IMO, Coker’s just gonna wait it out and see what the UFC offers, and decide whether it’s worth matching or not. There’s no time limit on the matching clause.
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Thats true, the fact that Coker has discussed about just dropping Jake makes me think he doesn’t have a real plan. If he did that, he null and voids the contract.
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by Matthew Roth on May 27, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
also dident SF have to do a deal on their own seeing as the contracts were non transfurable?
And i tend to agree with you red, coker does not want to get in a pissing contest with the UFC, even if he gets the fighter he losses. The contract will be way out the their price range.
Jake's Strikeforce contract expired after the Hendo fight
the one fight option had to have been exercised by April 10th Strikeforce did not do that.
by Mat Parker 116 on May 28, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The way I read the mma junkie article was that these are the maximum sentences that can be applied after a hearing takes place.
In three of the cases, the commission found probable cause to authorize a formal hearing for a civil penalty of $20,000 each and associated costs, as well as a nine-month suspension. Each individual can agree to a “consent order” that would allow him to skip the hearing and agree to a $5,000 fine and three-month suspension.
Exactly.
They are basically trying to penalize guys who choose to contest this. They may not be denying them due process, but they sure as hell are doing everything they can to discourage them from pursuing due process. That seems a bit hinky to me.
by Steve4192 on May 27, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. A nine month suspension would equal one or two missed fights
A three month suspension is maybe one for Mayhem, but nobody else is missing a fight with a three month lay off. At worst the fight would be pushed back 1 month. Really, it is a slap on the wrist.
The whole american justice system uses the same hinky system.
It’s a matter of resources and bargains like this conserve them. It’s of questionable morality, sure, but giving someone incentive to plead guilty to an act they most certainly committed for a lightened sentence is probably beneficial to them in the end.
Athletic commission hearings and the US justice system have absolutely nothing to do with each other. This isn’t a actual fine with a civil court hearing it’s a licensing issue with a regulating agency. It’s just athletic commission regulations and a potential hearing with the athletic commission members. There is nothing at all about this that falls under the US legal system, it’s a pure licensing issue that deals with state athletic regulations.
If you read his post
If you reread his post you’ll see he compared the likeness of the two. Not that the two were the same.
by Bloodsport on May 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Their suspending six fighters but only other one involved was nate right so who else could be suspended
by ldglass on May 28, 2010 12:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If Nate doesn't get a suspension i'm gonna be pissed
The rules should apply to every pro fighter involved in the brawl.
And Nate was the most active.
It wouldn’t be fair if SF had to keep Mayhem,Nick and Gil from fighting while the UFC ignores the whole thing.
My question is can they suspend guys who are not licensed fighters in Tennessee?
They might be able to suspend his cornerman’s license, but if he doesn’t have a fighter’s license I don’t see how they can suspend something he doesn’t have.
Just read the Sherdog story. Nate didn’t even have a cornerman’s license, much less a fighter license. How the hell can they suspend a guy who doesn’t have a license? They might be abl to fine him and/or ban him from future events in Tennessee, but I don’t see any way possible for them to suspend his fighter license when he doesn’t have one.
i wonder whether they're actually going to suspend mayhem
he merely defended himself. did he even throw a punch?
Go big red!
He instigated the whole mess. He might not have thrown a punch, but he was involved in the shoving match that set the whole thing off. Let’s not pretend he was some innocent little angel who didn’t play a role in the melee.
So a shoving match is punished the same way as a brawl? Hmm…
Imo if he deserves punishment it would be for entering the cage without being invited and interfering during the interview, if that’s against the rules, of course.
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the cause is mayhem bumping shields and interrupting the interview. The cause is mayhem not backing up after the first shove and continuing to chaos of the scene.
I’m not saying the Gracie crew is not responsible, but Mayhem definitely shares in the responsibility. People need to stop acting like he was jumped. Everyone involved, strikeforce, the commission, the people in the cage, is equally stupid and responsible.
Uhhhh....He was jumped
Mayhem bumped into Shields while leaning in to talk into the mike…. then he got jumped…..
So now it’s Mayhem’s fault for NOT BACKING up after someone pushes him…hmmm…great logic. Let’s not fault the person who shoved, but the person who didn’t back up. I ’d love to live in your world
by MT1127 on May 28, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he was not jumped, he was part of a brawl.
I would think that if someone got jumped by a group that include 3 top 10 fighters they would have some serious injuries.
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it doesnt matter what you think. there is video evidence, in fact there is a pretty compelling photo at the top of this post.
I don’t even know why I responded to this actually
The video clearly shows that everyone is responsible.
How does the brawl happen if Mayhem doesn’t do what he does?
When someone sticks their hand into an alligator’s mouth, do you blame the alligator when it bites? Or the person who stuck their hand in? Team Gracie has more responsibility than the alligator, because they are people, but to somehow absolve Mayhem of all responsibility is foolish.
Why don’t people understand this? There would have been no brawl in the first place if Mayhem hadn’t ran into the cage and interrupted Jake’s interview. He’s as much at fault as the Gracie guys.
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Interrupting an interview isn't a felony.
Assault is.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I agree 100%
Get a gang-style beatdown, get a fine and suspension?
All he did was ask for a fight. Stockton What What is 100% at fault. What Miller did wasn’t uncommon at all.
If he did indeed sneak into the ring, Strikeforce should be held responsible for poor cage security. If Mayhem could get in there, so could a crazed fan with a knife, right?
by Amsterdaam on May 28, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
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