Early Estimates Have UFC 113 at Around 520,000 Buys
Dave Meltzer reports (subscription required):
Early reports on UFC 113 on 5/8 in Montreal have the show doing 520,000 buys, slightly above the 450,000 that the first Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua fight did. We should note that there were cable reports as high as 687,000 for the show, and trending patterns were only slightly behind GSP vs. Dan Hardy and the highest besides that show since August, which would also indicate something closer to the latter than the former. There are a lot of other measures that also indicate the higher number, but as far as the number of buys from people who would have the numbers and that can be confirmed, the lower number is the best number we've got.
MMA Payout adds:
I've been harping on how PPV buyrates go in cycles and that we were coming up on a big cycle in March. If UFC 114 performs as we all expect it will, the string of events from UFC 111-114 will be the first four-event string in UFC history to sell more than 500k at each event. It won't be the most lucrative series in UFC history (that still belongs to UFC 97-UFC 101), but it's still a feather in the UFC's cap, especially in light of all the people that said the UFC had peaked.
I don't expect the UFC will make it five in a row with UFC 115, but the UFC is rolling out the movie theaters for the event which suggests they're looking to give 115 a little extra support (fight week promotion could push that event over the top). However, if the UFC can push 115 above the 500k mark, it should be good to establish a record string of events with 116, 117, and 118 this summer (Lesnar-Carwin, Silva-Sonnen, Edgar-Penn/Couture-Toney).
In fact, the way things are shaping up right now, the UFC could end up beating its mark for PPV buys from last year - something that's pretty impressive considering they had a very bad start to the year.
MMA Mania has a different take:
If the numbers end up being around 520,000 or so, you'd have to think it would be a bit of a disappointment for the UFC. Many industry insiders estimated that UFC 113 would fall in between the 600,000 - 750,000 PPV buy range. It may speak to several items, most notably of which is that Kimbo Slice's drawing power doesn't translate to pay-per-view as well as it does network television, in turn, more than justifying the UFC's decision to release him.
All told, the UFC continues to do very good business in a down economy, but they have failed to blow the roof off and continue the pattern of explosive growth that they flirted with in 2009. They really failed to make the most of Kimbo Slice, perhaps that's to their credit, but nonetheless, they certainly underplayed his PPV debut.
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Poeple will watch Kimbo fight for free in droves, but they won’t pay to see him.
He should have been on the prelims.
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It was worth a try. No we know Kimbo isn’t a PPV draw. It affects what kinda of deals he will get in the future. UFC didn’t lose anything by testing on the main card.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 24, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't buy that
Kimbo vs nobody (Mitrione) as the unhyped 3rd fight on the card isn’t a major draw.
But Kimbo vs herschel walker or shaq, now that would draw.
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by Matthew Roth on May 24, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Matthew Roth on May 24, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he would have been a negative draw on the prelims.
Lots of people would have seen kimbo and decided that they were done for the night and had no reason to pay the money to see more.
Dust in the wind compared to the 2 million eyeballs that a Kimbo prelim would draw in.
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there is no point in drawing those eyeballs if they aren’t buying PPVs. Put him on a regular spike card, genius. Put him on Spike and then tell people to pay to see more, not genius.
wasn’t there basketball playoffs that day. Strong numbers.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 24, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not bad. I think because people were expecting the Kimbo-effect to kick in. I thought I would give Kimbo the benefit of the doubt and said he could help push the numbers into the 700 range. Clearly I was wrong. As usual. haha. I suppose when you build a fanbase off a free video service, said fans continue to expect to get it for free.
The combination of people never once having to pay for Kimbo and his mystique being destroyed a couple times over by petruzelli, nelson, and then choosing to rest a knee injury rather than fight again on TUF (not a bad decision in my world…just sayin’ it didn’t fit the anyone/anywhere mystique he had previously). He was not going to be a PPV draw at this point.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 24, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo
is rapidly losing his drawing power. Nobody cares about him anymore. He isn’t worth spending money on.
TUF 10 had great ratings
It has more to do with his fans unwilling to pay $50 just to watch one fight.
UFC 116 will get at least 800,000 buys easily
Possibly 1 million if Wandy is still a big enough pull or if the prelims have a Garcia/Jung moment on Spike.
I’m not all that worried. I would rather the UFC have 4-5 “not-so-big” cards lead up to their gigantic Summer and New Year’s cards.
I think 520,000 buys is pretty decent.
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Here we go again- if the UFC really pushed Kimbo and put him in the co-main and gave him a prominent spot on the poster they’d have been criticized fiercely for hyping a guy who is so underserving. Instead they just kind of treat him like any other fighter and, you guessed it, get criticized for not milking him for every penny they could get out of him.
by ufc4 on May 24, 2010 7:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
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by RagingNoodles on May 24, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
For your amusement...
Dave Meltzer the other week was describing the relationship between TNA Wrestling and Spike TV. Some of this writing, is beyond weird. It’s really difficult to get people to understand this odd language of Dave Meltzer, I love the guy but it took me a while to get used to his unique voice. Check this out:
“After an explosion in popularity in 1997, getting even bigger in 1998, through delivering a horrible product, featuring some of the worst booking and management in history, the company contracted the wrestling version of lung cancer at the end of 1998. A series of operations couldn’t cure the cancer, which spread and was eventually fatal.
For some reason, when trying to grow their company, the Carters decided to smoke ten packs of cigarettes a day. Some would say they didn’t just contract cancer because of bad decisions, they actually hired and paid millions for it.
Along the way, armed with a pop gun, they decided to go to war, to get history to repeat itself. The second version of the Monday Night Wars ended after two months.
After the 4/26 episode of Impact did a 0.50 record, its all-time record low, Spike TV was the proverbial corner men who threw in the towel on a pulverized fighter who had no chance of coming back and turning things around."
by RagingNoodles on May 25, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
There are a lot of other measures that also indicate the higher number, but as far as the number of buys from people who would have the numbers and that can be confirmed, the lower number is the best number we’ve got.
Translation: The lower estimates (~500,000 buys) are probably more accurate than the higher estimates (~700,000 buys).
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these numbers are great
especially with the way the ufc has been having a ppv every two weeks for a while, i expect 114 to do extremely wel
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Or Anderson Silva is "back" after beating Forrest
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by Charles Awad on May 24, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Good, not great numbers. Nothing to freak out about being horrible, nothing to freak out about being awesome. They’re slightly above what some thought, slightly below what others thought…making them…kind of what people would hope to see.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 24, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
People thought they’d be higher? The hell were they smoking?…
Dumb question, was probably whatever Kimbo was smoking.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 24, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
remarkably average
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by Austin Martin on May 24, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think people were expecting slightly more than the fight fight. Some people thought it would be a ton more because of the drama and controversy, but that drama had a shelf life that was a bit past.
I kind of think I’m just tired of the constant “THESE NUMBERS ARE DISAPPOINTING!” “NUH UH! THEY’RE GREAT!” thing every time any show’s numbers are released. Most of the time they fall right in the range that people are expecting.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 24, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
oh..
and by the way. If it ends up being at the 687,000 number…that’d move it from “expected” to “pretty fucking good”
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 24, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
NUH UH THAT NUMBER SUCKS
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by II SMASH II on May 24, 2010 9:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
The numbers are very average and it was a pretty average card. It’s just quotes like this:
but they have failed to blow the roof off and continue the pattern of explosive growth that they flirted with in 2009. They really failed to make the most of Kimbo Slice, perhaps that’s to their credit, but nonetheless, they certainly underplayed his PPV debut.
That seem like trying to spin a run of the mill PPV into some failure on UFC’s part.
i blame the fans 100%, they don’t know a good card when they see it. i’ll bet 114 which is lousy in comparison does at least 20% more buys
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by II SMASH II on May 24, 2010 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MMA Mania has a different take:
Unless UFC 120 does1 million buys and at least a third of the viewers sacrifice a child to dana White during the broadcast… you’d have to think it would be a bit of a disappointment for the UFC.
That's actually really funny.
But when your light heavyweight championship is main eventing. Number one welterweight contendership bout is the co-main. And arguably the most recognizable face in the sport, whether you like it or not, is on the card, and you do just over 500,000 buys. Well, that’s not too funny.
Not to mention that for the first time this event had the full support of ESPN, which obviously the UFC is banking on for big business.
Now if these numbers are well over 600,000 as Meltzer suggests, that’s different. 520, 000 is average at best, which I maintain that the UFC would be a bit disappointed in.
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by James Kimball on May 24, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have no idea what MMA Mania was on expecting GSP numbers from Shogun and Machida months after the hype died down for their rematch. This did very well considering all things involved, i’m curious to see how well UFC 114 does since that has more hype and buzz these past few weeks than alot of events this year.
Spin zone...
It seems every post here since UFC 101 has basically been trying to make out that UFC is in some horrible slump of PPV buys, despite putting up consistently solid numbers.
What’s better, selling 500k $50ppvs every month, or $2 million every 6 months? UFC 100 was a perfect storm and set record numbers. Now every PPV that comes out we have an article here complaining that we aren’t seeing UFC 100 numbers.
As I’ve said before, short of UFC extravagantly burning money on ivory backscratchers for all, even a 200k event is making a tidy profit.
This event was basically a hardcores-only event, with Kimbo being the only casual friendly fight on the card. It still did well. This is a good thing.
Rashad-Rampage will likely do significantly better due to the more casual friendly card. But I have a feeling that unless it’s over 1.5M Kid Nate will be spinning that into “not maintaining the momentum they had last summer….”
and Kimbo...
Underplayed his debut? Keep in mind, Strikeforce getting as many viewers on Showtime as UFC sells $50 PPVs is considered success. They could have had 2 million viewers on Spike to watch Kimbo look awful instead of 500k x $50! What a horrible business decision.

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