Jake Shields, Krazy Horse, Mike Kyle and Strikeforce's Daffy Match-Making
Josh Gross reports that Strikeforce is apparently not trying very hard to re-sign their middleweight champ Jake Shields:
"The time is ticking," Shields' father and manager, Jack, said Monday. "We'd like to move forward as soon as possible. I'd like to be negotiating right now."
Jack Shields said he was told by Strikeforce that its ambitious schedule of four events in six weeks was getting in the way of "serious negotiations" and that he would hear from them this week.Yet one source with knowledge of Strikeforce's thinking regarding the 31-year-old Shields told SI.com that the promotion has discussed releasing him outright before an exclusive negotiating period concludes three weeks from now. Once that expires, Strikeforce would also have the ability to match any offer made on Shields, whose 25-4-1 record features 14 consecutive wins since 2004.
"Can I guarantee that we won't release him? No, I can't," Coker said when asked about cutting Shields. "It depends on how the last two or three weeks of negotiation go. I won't be able to answer until negotiations are over. Is it a possibility? It's a possibility. If we're not going to be in the Jake Shields business, let's just move on. That's how I feel. This is a business. Jake has a career and a life and it's not fair to him. But Jake is a guy we've appreciated having him as part of the family."
Zach Arnold discusses the fighters Strikeforce IS interested in, charmers like Charles Krazy Horse Bennett:
I understand that Bennett beat Noons in the past, but what does Noons gain from beating Bennett in Strikeforce? It's one of those situations where Noons benefits little from the fight and could lose a lot if he gets beat. Yes, Noons needs to build up his name to the American public, but look at what's happened with his career trajectory - clowning Nick Diaz in their Texas fight to fighting Andre Dida in DREAM (in a fight that turned cautious) to now getting booked against Krazy Horse Bennett? Who the hell cares about seeing Noons get "revenge" for, what, a loss in Elite XC he had over three years ago that nobody even remembers or cares about? I understand that Noons had a layoff of two years due to inactivity, but he got some of the ring rust off in the Dida fight.
This reminds me of when Scott Coker discussed the possibility of Feijao facing King Mo for the Light Heavyweight title and Coker told Ariel Helwani that Feijao "has a thorn in his side" in Mike Kyle because Feijao lost to Kyle in the past. Seriously, who do you know that is a hardcore MMA fan that is clamoring to see Feijao vs. Mike Kyle in a re-match? No one. The same Mike Kyle, BTW, who didn't get punished nearly enough in my opinion for the stunt he pulled in the WEC cage on Brian Olsen in 2006 where Olsen ended up getting taken to the hospital. Even if you forget that incident took place, who exactly wants to watch Feijao vs. Kyle in a re-match? Nobody.
As Jordan Breen recently pointed out, it seems as if Strikeforce has cornered themselves with their matchmaking and has a tendency to go backwards and not forwards in thinking.
Zak Woods may be wanting to see Noons vs Krazy Horse 2, but I agree with Arnold, this is bad bad match-making. Why? Simple, it's because Strikeforce has put themselves in a position (again) where if K.J. Noons and Feijao win their fights that's better for Strikeforce, but if they lose, it's a disaster.
The #1 rule of good promotional match-making is to only book win/win fights. The UFC has mastered this approach. Ideally, no matter who wins the fight, the UFC wins because they have more promotional options at the end of each fight than before.
Strikeforce doesn't seem to get this. They made the same mistake by signing Dan Henderson and rooting openly for him to beat Jake Shields. When Shields won instead, they had no contractual hold on their middleweight champ and their new hotshot Henderson had just taken a humiliating loss.
Krazy Horse Bennett is a pathetic person who will never be reliable enough to feature on a CBS card. I wouldn't even book him on Showtime, but Strikeforce feels differently. K.J. Noons is an exciting, dynamic fighter with a win over Nick Diaz. If he wins, Strikeforce has a new lightweight contender, but if he loses, they've damaged him and gained nothing because Krazy Horse has almost nil promotional value.
Same with Feijao and Mike Kyle. Feijao does have one loss marring his record, but after his impressive KO win over Antwain Britt, I doubt many care. Feijao is someone who can credibly challenge King Mo for his Strikeforce Light Heavyweight title. But if he loses to Mike Kyle again, he's irreparably damaged. And what do they have in Kyle? Not much. They have a mediocre fighter with a record of blatant fouling that really should have seen him banned from the sport.
Sometimes it is clear why Strikeforce is a distant second to the UFC.
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They need it, lacking in a bunch of weight classes.
Plus with TUF dropouts, already have marketing built it.
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How does releasing shields serve any purpose? Even if they aren’t going to/can’t match the UFC’s offer, wouldn’t they at least like to know what it is?
I don’t see any purpose to ditching the option to match his contract.
And Crazy Horse makes just as little sense. they have fighters looking for fights and they are bringing in a guy with little to no upside?
Prolly just a case of 40s and a pair of Now-and-Later Gators
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by Anthony Pace on May 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
How does releasing shields serve any purpose? Even if they aren’t going to/can’t match the UFC’s offer, wouldn’t they at least like to know what it is?
Why bother with trying to make an offer. He will just take it to Dana and Dana will go their offer +$1. It makes more sense to wave the negotiating period and let Jake go see what he can get from the UFC. There is a clause in his contract that Strikeforce can match it and hold onto him. So once SF knows what the UFC is offering they can decide whether they want to match it or not.
The Cung Le vs Scott Smith rematch makes even less sense. This is a gimmick promotion.
Jake Shields is their best fighter (Fedor is an M1 fighter). He’s their best at 170 and 185, and also their pound for pound best… and they aren’t trying to keep him?
Yet another reason for… wait for it… ah… SHITFARCE!
by mmalogic on May 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Once that expires, Strikeforce would also have the ability to match any offer made on Shields
Is there no expiration date on the matching period? That sounds a little odd.
Easy to get around with a poison pill
For example Jake’s UFC contract could say:
If at any time during the contract fighter competes in a hexagonal fenced area fighter will be paid $10,000,000.
That would be impossible for Strikeforce to match
by Mat Parker 116 on May 20, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Loretta Hunt…. but maybe she should be!
by ManicPreacher on May 20, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That is an issue of some intense discussion in some circles. ;)
by Jonathan Snowden on May 20, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't have daffy duck match making without the mention of Cyborg vs Finney
by MMAGuard on May 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Krazy Horse Bennett is a pathetic person
100% agree with this statement
I told you not to f*ck with me.
by Romoesbueno on May 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
San-do is crazy looking
Tage team matches seem to have too much order / organization for these guys…
Add a ladder and maybe some thumb tacks on the floor
And have the cage on fire.
Maybe have a few live tigers in there too.
Get rid of the ramp!
ladder match?
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on May 20, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Losing Shields is inevietable, but these match ups are just stupid for all the reasons mentioned. Even if Noons wins it will do nothing for him. I can’t believe I’ve been supportive of these morons.
It doesn’t really matter too much what Strikeforce does here and I think they know it. Shield’s has made it abundantly clear through his actions that the UFC is his preferred route. By cutting him, Strikeforce can move on with a search for a new champion. By keeping him, they put their division on hold.
I think Strikeforce shot themselves in the foot on the Shields situation
They brought in Hendo and openly cheered for him to defeat Jake and so when Shields won it’s like ok should I stay with the company who is trying to get me beat?
For all the talk that Shields wants the UFC I think Shields wants the most money and so if Strikeforce wants to offer up the better contract I think he would stay but it sounds like Strikeforce has no interest in him at all.
I disagree. Shields wants to be the best. He’s openly stated that he wants to fight GSP.
by ManicPreacher on May 20, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That doesnt mean anything
Nick Diaz has talked about how hw ants GSP, Aoki before the Melendez loss said he wanted Penn.
Coker thinks that Shields has no interest in resigning with him so he wont even negotiate with him. Money talks. Is it going to take more than the UFC is offering? Of course but I dont think Shields is taking a cut in pay to go to the UFC.
Shields has signed two contracts with other groups since telling me he wanted to be in the UFC. This was years ago. Money talks. Unfortunately, his documented trouble drawing a TV rating hurts his negotiating power with Strikeforce.
by Jonathan Snowden on May 20, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You would think. They don’t really need his name to draw them money though. They can just plug him into the machine. Now, a lack of interest from Strikeforce would certainly hurt his negotiating power.
by Jonathan Snowden on May 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The biggest loser from the last CBS card was Shields, even though he won. If the show had done gangbuster ratings and CBS guaranteed it would put more shows on air, Strikeforce would have felt compelled to pay a hefty price to keep their champ while the UFC would be willing to outbid them for their “star”. Now it’s more a meh factor.
It’s as if Scott is imitating Dana’s negotiations with Hendo, and pulling out so Shields has no leverage and can’t trigger a bidding war. Poor Shields, a loser with the biggest win of his life.
Money talks, no money on marketing Shields or the Hendo fight
Shields was the Main or Co-Main Event in four of the five CBS Saturday Night Fights including the most watched.(that by itself is a big investment to throw away)
The Fedor fight (Shields co-main) had a 360 and a lot other promo compared to Henderson/Shields.
I agree with MMAlogic Shields is their best p4p fighter and he just turned 31,.
and Chung vs Shields makes sense. I heard Shields was willing to take fights at LHW.
Noons vs Crazy Horse are they kidding, the only fight for Noons is Nick Diaz.
I want more than one MMA company, competition is good for fighters and for fans, and I like having fights on CBS. Hope they get it together.
by mixmaster2669 on May 20, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted this elsewhere but...
My make fights that make sense when you could just make matches for the sake of making matches.
Non title fights in main events and title fights below.
Rogers gets a title shot coming off a loss soon enough
Hendo will get a title shot next too (against King Mo or Jacare if Shields goes).
Catchweight matches with contenders from two different weight classes.
Women’s champ against a can.
Hersh vs a can.
Bobby Lashley vs a can.
Cung Le vs hand picked opponents.
Noons vs Crazy Horse
Shamrock vs anybody in a main event…
These fights make for compelling TV don’t they?
by truck on May 20, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Is this sarcasm?
They don’t make compelling TV, that’s the problem.
I don’t really think it’s a bad match-up at all. Noons has been out of the public eye for a very long time, and I’d be surprised if any casual fans who actually watched him batter Nick Diaz back in the day remember who he is.
Not only did they probably please KJ Noons with allowing him a chance to avenge a loss and defeat a guy who has fallen off the horse, but they can get Noons re-acclimated with the fanbase a bit.
Sure, disaster could strike, but I’d rather see the Bellator methodology of not protecting fighters. If Noons is as good as he can be, he should be pushed to, at the very least, put some eyes on the events.
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by Leland Roling on May 20, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
And the whole Mike Kyle punishment issue… it’s fucking over and been over for years. Get over it.
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by Leland Roling on May 20, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
what exactly did kyle do?
the video Kid Nate linked won’t load for me, so i’m left in the dark …
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by bobthewriter on May 20, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle struck Olson with illegal blows
knees to the head when he was grounded and then continued to assault him even after the ref tried to stop the fight with foot stomps. He shattered Olson’s face.
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just found a vid of it
wow, Leland … i’m really surprised at your attitude toward this. Kyle just lost it … that was horrendous. i would have no trouble recommending Kyle be blackballed after seeing that. i know i for sure don’t want to see him fight.
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by bobthewriter on May 20, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It was quite a long time ago, and… he was punished. It wasn’t the right punishment, but OH WELL… we can’t do anything about that now. He’s been allowed to fight.
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by Leland Roling on May 20, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, people can do plenty about it. They can let Strikeforce know loud and clear that this guy doesn’t belong in the sport.
by Jonathan Snowden on May 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Except your average casual fan has no idea about the incident, and there have been far worse atrocities in other sports in which fans still rally behind the typical “I made a mistake, I paid for it, I’ve done my time, and I’ve been rehabilitated” lines.
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by Leland Roling on May 20, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
that's no excuse
for those of us who know what’s up to throw our arms in the air and say “oh well”. i’d say that’s an argument for people like us to actively tell anyone and everyone that would be interested that this piece shit is a disgrace to the sport we love and we’d rather not see him make another dime at it. but maybe i’m wrong.
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I care about MMA.
by HarmlessNinja on May 22, 2010 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I like watching Kyle fight
In fact, SF should get him on a card fast.
i can't believe i'm agreeing with Snowden
maybe it’s just knee-jerk, but i don’t know what the punishment doled out was … that guy doesn’t need to be fighting professionally, and i’m certainly not going to support SF if they’re employing him.
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by bobthewriter on May 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and by blackballed
i mean permanently banned. wow. i’m still shaking my head over it.
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by bobthewriter on May 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I;m surprised that no one has mentioned Gilbert Yvel yet in this discussion. didn’t he KO a ref a while back also?
and sokudjou
he should be looking for other lines of employment too, if you ask me.
Watch from about the 2:50 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbRaJalpgrc
Ke used an illegal kick to the dead of a downed opponent and continues to strike while the ref was pulling him off…
It was completely bannable, but the problem is that people continue to bring it up over and over again. Listen, the guy paid his dues and was punished. Sure, the commission should have doled out a bigger punishment in my mind, but it seems to me that Mike Kyle has paid for it enough.
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by Leland Roling on May 20, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If fans don't wanna watch the guy fight, that opinion should matter.
Suspension, banning or not.
by truck on May 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The market can speak. If fans don’t want to see him, they have every right to tell promoters so.
by Jonathan Snowden on May 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
To be perfectly honest...
If he "TIMMMBBBBBAAA"’s guys like Travis Wiuff, people are going to want to watch him.
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by Leland Roling on May 20, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The only problem
with not protecting fighters like Bellator, is now they are stuck with Huerta after him losing a fight he probably should have won and they are paying him a ton.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
Then they should go out and find some free agents that are somewhat relevant in the top 30 lightweights to fight him in super fights. Or, as they’ve been trying to do, lend him out to other organizations and siphon off some of the salary to that organization.
Huerta expressed interest in DREAM, K-1… try to work out some sort of deal.
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by Leland Roling on May 20, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed,
I think they should have Huerta/Alvarez, regardless of what happened to Huerta in the tourney, that is a fight I would watch.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
huerta/alvarez goes completely against everything they have been saying about letting results speak.
Giving huerta a fight with alvarez before the winner of this tournament would hurt their entire concept, and I’m not sure it makes sense (for any party) to have Huerta sit out until then.
by Phildo on May 20, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They are already talking about Alvarez vs Melendez too...
It should make for a couple of exciting fights…
I loves me some Bellator
I’d rather see the Bellator methodology of not protecting fighters
Strikeforce may have a handful of very solid fighters, but Bellator is slowy taking over as my second favorite source of MMA. The commentary and production values are probably a big part of that (I can’t stand Strikefore commentary), but the logical matchmaking and transperancy of Bellator really help too.
by truck on May 20, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not hating on Bellator
just saying puting alot of money into Huerta and having him lose in a tourney is no good for them. They tried to trade him to SF, very weird situation.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
Very weird situation...
But it seems week in and week out they are still puting out a very solid product. Almost every week of Bellator seems like a more entertaining two hours than most strikeforce shows to me. If they had afew more name fighters for their super fights and tourneys it quickly becomes compelling TV.
I just hope they learn from the Huerta thing and it doesn’t hurt them too much.
Thank goodness
someone else said it. I love this fight, it should be exciting and I think it’s seriously crazy people are arguing that they should protect Noons. If Noons can’t beat KH, and he should, then he doesn’t deserve the promotion people are saying he does.
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by Chris Barton on May 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be perfectly honest, I’m willing to bet Noons asked for Bennett. He wanted to avenge that loss, and in reality — he’s miles ahead of where he was when he fought him. It’s a perfect opportunity to fulfill avenging the loss while getting Noons back in the mix with Strikeforce and in front of fans.
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by Leland Roling on May 20, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think people have more of a problem with KH being on a televised card
and the “what if” KH wins situation than the idea of giving Noons a soft fight. That is how I see it anyways.
KH
is a psychotic, but people love to watch that guy. I honestly think it would be great for Strikeforce if he wins.
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by Chris Barton on May 20, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i do enjoy watching him. his pre-fight interviews have some serious gold in them.
This has to be KJ’s suggestion. He made such a big deal about how others were unworthy of fighting him in the past. He’s looking for what he thinks is an easy win, which was what he was looking for the last time. Someone needs to tell him to keep his chin down this time
I tend to agree with that reasoning. He wants a fight he can showcase himself and he also gets to avenge a loss, an embarrassing one at that. Not to mention it should be exciting as hell, which would get Noons better match ups and support in the future.
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by Chris Barton on May 20, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It could be excellent HL reel fodder for Noons. I agree with you, bro.
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by Anthony Pace on May 20, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
pride used to pull this crap all the time and they still have fanboys coming out the woodwork, just make the fights exciting
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by glassjawsh on May 20, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Noons opponents?
I would have thought maybe a Beerbohm matchup would have made sense. Or Shaolin or even a lesser up and comer like Justin Wilcox.
Feijao is someone who can credibly challenge King Mo for his Strikeforce Light Heavyweight title. But if he loses to Mike Kyle again, he’s irreparably damaged. And what do they have in Kyle? Not much. They have a mediocre fighter with a record of blatant fouling that really should have seen him banned from the sport.
Sometimes it is clear why Strikeforce is a distant second to the UFC.
Yes, because obviously a fight like Feijao vs. Kyle is so far removed from upper crust UFC fare like, say, Junior Dos Santos vs. Gilbert Yvel.
I think the Jake Shields situation is playing out the way it is because of some of the questionable things he has said and done since his fight. It still isn’t entirely clear where things are headed, but right now I think Strikeforce is doing the smart thing, not that anyone would give them credit for it. They’re not letting Shields or Dana White dictate how the situation unfolds. If Jake wants to destroy his leverage by doing goofy camera spots on Zuffa PPVs and pissing SF off to the point they wash their hands of him, he should keep doing what he is doing. For Strikeforce, the only people who are going to bang them if they lose Shields are the UFC fanboys (and the bloggers they love).
by smoogy2 on May 20, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the only people who are going to bang them if they lose Shields are the UFC fanboys (and the bloggers they love).
Or, you know, reasonable people who think an Org should keep and treat their champions well. Especially talented champions when the Org is already thin in top level talent.
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by Chris Barton on May 20, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that Jake Shields is shooting himself in the foot right now. Appearing with Dana White all buddy, buddy doesn’t exactly bode well for negotiating power because he’s basically assuming he’s going to get big money. The fact of the matter is that he isn’t a draw at all, and he’s fairly boring to the average casual fan.
Technically, White could just be saying he’s going to PAY him… but in reality — he’ll wait and see because SF might not be willing to pay Jake big bucks to be boring.
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by Leland Roling on May 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
If some douchenozzel wants my girl, and she starts flirting with him, I’m not gonna take her out for a nice seafood dinner. Strikeforce has actually been pretty damn good to Jake Shields; it’s a two-way street.
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by Anthony Pace on May 20, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as I know
Putting him on both CBS cards seems like a big deal, especially after the first one
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by Anthony Pace on May 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
They set him up to lose to their new "golden boy"
The only reason they had him on the 2nd show was they thought what a great way to show off our new “golden boy” Hendo by having Hendo ko him and send him packing with a loss.
Unfortunatly for them, you cant script mma and so Hendo lost and then since Shields decided to explore his options now he’s the bad guy.
So the fact they treated Henderson like a bigger star, which he unquestionably was heading into the fight, is proof positive that they wanted Shields to lose? Or did you not expect them to match up their two best middleweights in a title fight?
People shit the bed when Fedor came in and didn’t fight for the title. Hell, he isn’t fighting for the title in his 2nd fight…
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by Anthony Pace on May 20, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
So what they wanted him to win and leave?
They paid a lot for Hendo, they thought coming off of TUF, UFC 100, and the Bisping ko that he could be their next big star.
Shields had a reputation as a boring fight because of the Mayhem fight. Plus Shields had stated his desire to fight GSP and in the UFC.
No, I dont have proof the fact that they wanted Hendo to win but the fact that they wont negotiate with Shields and are threatening to cut him doesnt lead me to the conclusion that they were happy to see him win.
I strongly disagree
Bringing someone in hopes to make your champion lose is not being pretty damn good to Shields.
And now because since Shields didnt resign with them after the fight and is exploring his options Strikeforce is going crazy and talking about cutting him?
They wont even have negotiations with him and are threatening to cut him and yet Shields is the bad guy because he showed up to an mma event?
Do you think he knew Dana was gonna put his arm around him and say “he’s mine”? or maybe since he’s a free agent and looking to get the most money possible he didnt want to piss off a guy that could give it to him.
Maybe I'm underestimating how dumb they are
But it just speaks volumes to me that he was on CBS
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by Anthony Pace on May 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What is with this "bringing in a guy to beat him" talk?
Shields holds the belt, he has to fight the best guy that Strikeforce has available and defend it. If Cung Le had the belt then he would have had to fight Hendo too. Everybody repeating this line is being fucking silly.
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by Anthony Pace on May 20, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i could be wrong but it seems to me strikeforce has had no idea what to do with either shields or hendo after the result of their fight. i think they were banking on a hendo win, cutting shields strings and moving forward exploiting the work the ufc had already put in to building up hendo. with him losing they’ve seemed like chickens with their heads cut off, don’t know what to do with shields, hendo or the division.
Everybody expected Hendo to win that fight by ko
They knew Jake Shields wanted to explore his options after this fight.So what they wanted a big acquistion to lose so that they could possibly watch their middleweight champion leave still as champion?
Do you honestly believe Strikeforce wanted Shields to walk out of the cage still mw champ?Hell now they have to talk about cutting him just so it makes them look a little better if Shields leaves.
No organization wants a champion who wants to leave your organziation leave with the belt.
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And as I mentioned earlier, it seems as if Strikeforce is stealing a page from Dana, when he publicly pulled out of negotiations with Hendo so he wouldn’t be sucked into a bidding war.
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by Anthony Pace on May 20, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
So Strikeforce putting their sole challenger at LHW against Mike Kyle is not different than UFC putting one of their at least three challengers (JDS, Cain, Carwin) against replacement opponent which happened to be Yvel. Oh really?
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by Venom77 on May 20, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
convenient arguments are the best ones.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Could Scott get the last laugh?
Shields goes to the UFC and has a hard time. Eventually, the UFC cuts Shields. Strikeforce wont take him back. They might take him back for little money. Scott eventually wins.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 20, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Considering by the time that happens SF will have been bankrupt by M1, I don’t see Coker laughing anytime soon. Though he did give me a laugh, riddle me this how are you going to release a guy that has already fought his last fight for your promotion?. Coker truly has been driven mad by his dealing with Fedor and company because he’s becoming even more of a joke than he already was.
Sometimes it is clear why Strikeforce is a distant second to the UFC.
only sometimes? despite their ridiculously shallow talent pool, inability to make stars out of fighters, mia champions and possibly the worst commentary team in the history of mixed martial arts they only “sometimes” make it clear they’re a distant second? personally, i’d put them at third behind dream, and possibly even fourth behind bellator. one or two top talents in each weight division does not a great org. make.
The whole idea of only booking “win-win” fights is silly, because any promotion will inevitably have to book a fighter against a less marketable fighter. There is no roster full of only exciting, top-level guys. This kind of thinking can actually prevent great fights from taking place. Like, given that if Machida and Evans had both won their fights this month, there would have been no clear LHW contender, should one of those fights not have been booked?
Of course, the UFC doesn’t fully abide by this principle either. The UFC would obviously make a lot more money if Lesnar beat Carwin than vice versa, but that doesn’t make it bad matchmaking. And there are times when they’ve clearly “bet” on a certain outcome (Silva/Leites, Hughes/Gracie, Kimbo/anyone).
As for the fights in question, I don’t see a problem with Noons/Bennet — Noons needs a not-too-tough fight to get American audiences re-acquainted with him. Feijao/Kyle is just a dumb idea, though.
How soon we forget
Remember a few years ago that fighter from a rival organization that came into the UFC and got handed title fights in back-to-back matches? Even after losing the first? He might sound familar, his name is Dan Henderson.
And I don’t want to hear any of this Pride vs. UFC garbage, Dana and crew knew damned well they weren’t resurrecting Pride ever.
by BVandDietPepsi on May 21, 2010 12:16 AM EDT reply actions

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