Machida vs Shogun I Recap (w/ gifs)
by Adam Vance on May 2, 2010 8:52 PM EDT
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PrintWith UFC 113 less than one week away, I thought I'd share some UFC 104 gifs that I made.
One of the major contributing factors to the controversy surrounding UFC 104 was the fact that it seemed like Shogun was blocking all of Machida's punches.
Shogun did a good job of keeping his hands up, and as a result made it difficult to see whether or not Lyoto's shots landed. I thought I'd share the ones with you guys that I found the most interesting to me when I watched it again. Many of these looked like they were blocked or didn't even land when I was watching it live. But, upon taking a closer look we can see just how clean ( and accurate) some of Machida's counter shots were.
Of course there were a few cases where Shogun was able to deflect Machida's counters or Machida would miss entirely, but I feel those moments may have lead fans into believing Shogun was dominating the fight, when that wasn't the case at all.
I want to make it clear that this is not a post claiming Machida won or that Shogun's defenses were lacking. But, I felt that after catching these moments upon watching the tape, it drastically changed my perception of the first fight and brought to my attention just how close it really was.
This one was the most surprising to me, I was sure when I was watching it live that Shogun had blocked the punch. But, upon closer review we can see that it catches him right underneath his left eye. This(combined with the next .gif) gave Shogun a noticeable black eye for the rest of the match.
This one was also difficult to see while watching it live. But, as we can see from the final frame, not only did Machida's right hand land flush but, also gave Shogun a decent size bruise under his left eye.
This is one of those that didn't even look like it landed upon first glance. Lyoto is able to get in and land his counter before the full brunt of Shogun's kick but, again his trip fails.
Here's a nice head kick, partially blocked by Shogun. The right side of Shogun's head was purple for the remainder of the match.
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it didn’t change my perception of the fight; I already knew it was close.
by Robert Livingston on May 2, 2010 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good stuff. It was a damn close fight. I can understand Shogun feeling he got burned in the decision, but some of his comments about having not a mark on him, taking no damage, etc., have been a bit over the top. The single most damaging strike of the fight was the knee Lyoto buckled Shogun with in the second round. Shogun was hurt by that one and staggered into a weak takedown attempt to give himself time to recover. It was the same shot Lyoto dropped Tito with, but Shogun fought through it. Cannot wait for this fight!
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 2, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
That third picture
I’d say that was one of the exchanges which was accompanied by Rogan yelling “WOW… Incredible kick by Shogun!”
honestly
machida can not put out shogun with one shot…he will need to land 3 or more shots to finish him…and if he is going to stay in the pocket and throw a 3 or more punch combination he is going to get knocked the f out
and i'd like to add
that shogun wasnt shook by any of machida’s punches to head all night…i respect machida’s “point” striking skills but he is in against a monster who is healthy and has regained his confidence and will take over the reign as the best 205er in the world…peace out
Watch the fight again, he rocked Shogun a couple of times.
Plus we do know that he has knockout power cuz he knocked out to previous undefeated fighters. Will Shogun be next? Very high possibility since he’s training harder than ever and looks ripped right now and his arms looks significantly bigger!
I predict take downs from Machida as a counter for Shoguns kicks. Machida is going to be ready!!
The first one was suprising. However I think you mistake a punch landing flush and a punch landing.
I mean the first one looks like it barely makes contact. He hits the head but doesn’t punch through it. You can see this on the first two punches he is just grazing making it a legit punch but not a damaging one. His head does not even move at all if hit with any force your head will move.
But good work thanks the other ones you brought up look great.
There is one glaring problem with this, 3 of your GIFs show Shogun landing as well; just to the body/legs and not face.
First .gif has no strikes from Shogun.
The second gif Lyoto steps inside the kick and Shogun doesn’t get to extend the leg or land with his shin (the impact point of the kick was from just above the knee).
The third .gif looked like a solid shot (he didn’t get the extension on the kick he wanted due to Machida moving forward for his punch) but I think a lot of the people watching thought Lyoto was staggered by the body kick but actually he was attempting to follow up his punch with a trip (also possible that the kick was intended to be to the body and Shogun’s kick altered the trajectory and caused Machida to land the kick to the inside of Shogun’s leg making it look like a trip).
Fourth .gif shows Shogun taking punishment and throwing a leg kick that either lands on the inside of Machida’s lead left leg or to the outside of Machida’s kicking leg. Either way he was taking a big shot to his side from Lyoto whose momentum was behind the kick while Shogun was stationary and possibly even on his heels a little bit.
Final .gif has no strikes from Shogun.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Great post
This makes me want to go play the UFC 2010 demo.
by ChiCubs23 on May 2, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
nicely done
It doesn’t change anything in my mind. The fight was very, very close. I don’t buy the argument that Machida’s head punches are worth any more than Rua’s leg kicks, but it was close enough that it could have gone either way.
My personal opinion of Machida’s style – that it is highly effective, but boring, non-aggressive etc – colours my judgement. The truth is, the fairest way to score the match was by flipping a coin, and scheduling a rematch before the toss decided who won.
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
Except in each of those gifs he is clearly the aggressor, and if anything Shogun was the patient counter-striker.
A good post of shots machida landed.
But this is nothing, compared to machida’s ribs, busted lip, and the 15 minutes of footage of him eating an unnecessary amount of leg kicks. All in all good close fight, but machida got rocked after his most impressive offense in the 3rd Rd.
Love both fighters and look foward to the rematch. Either way as long as it was exciting like the last one im gonna be happy no matter who wins.
p.s. i might be biased, i was rootin for rua to beat machida going into the first fight.
Love the article, the technical analysis and gifs and writeup, but...
Talk about putting blinders on. Of course Machida hit him—it was a five round fight. They both hit each other SEVERAL times.
The fight was too close to call for judges and fans alike. Even the strike-box compu-score whateverthehell was razor’s-edge close. Let’s all just pray it’s more one sided the second time around.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
The only terrible thing about this fight are the fans who think Shogun was robbed, and that this decision was a travesty. It wasn’t.
But I appreciate these gifs. It just reminds how great this fight really was (I thought). A perfect counterpoint to Jung/Garcia (which was enjoyable on a more primal level).
i dunno, just becuase you pick out a few animated gifs where it looks like machida is getting the better of shogun doesn’t mean maachida won the fight, you gotta look at it round by round. and the gifs that have the damage shogun had are ridiculous, machida had more damage.
Adam clearly said,
“I want to make it clear that this is not a post claiming Machida won or that Shogun’s defenses were lacking. But, I felt that after catching these moments upon watching the tape, it drastically changed my perception of the first fight and brought to my attention just how close it really was.”
That third gif...
…really shows the genius of Machida’s style: fast, multi-faceted, and efficient. If the standing leg sweep worked, it would’ve been that much cooler. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
If these excerpts had audio you would not hear the commentators even mention Machida landing these
When we watched live a friend of mine who’s a boxing fan (and just has better eyes for details like this) was mentioning that Machida was tagging Shogun on a lot of exchanges where the “vector of action” seemed to be favoring Rua, but I’ll admit I had to rewatch to see it this way as well.
The third gif demonstrates a problem in isolating these gifs though. In particular, the moment where Shogun’s jumping body kick hits Machida, all the forward movement of Machida’s hips stops dead. Basically, even though they both hit each other, Shogun’s kick took away all of the power in Machida’s punch.
The way this generalizes to the rest of the fight is that in multiple instances, Shogun was able to either rob Machida’s punches of power by kicking to the body first, or absorb the impact of a Machida body kick and return a leg kick underneath that was much more damaging. That becomes hard to see in an isolated gif, but it was pretty clear during the fight, even if you just watch for whose base was disrupted by the exchange.
You seem to be misunderstanding Lyoto’s intentions here. His goal is to TRIP YOU. If he gets too close, he can’t utilize the trip effectively.
The main reason why he throws the punch is to distract you, thus making you more vulnerable to the trip. Here is a perfect example.
I can’t tell what is was that Sokoudjou was trying to do here, but whatever it was it failed miserably. Again, Lyoto isn’t trying to knock Sokoudjou out here, or even hurt him that badly. His goal is to distract Sokoudjou and get him to try and defend the punch. Sokoudjou blitzes in, not even noticing that he’s about to get tripped…
Here we see Machida isn’t really even trying to punch Shogun. His main goal is to get Shogun to defend the punch and while he’s distracted, go for the trip. Shogun takes the bait and puts his hands up, thinking he’s about to get punched. Lyoto goes for the sweep, but it fails. You can tell Shogun worked on a defense to this. Immediately after the sweep attempt, Shogun plants his right foot and gets his left foot on the ground as quickly as possible to avoid falling down.
Here is a clip from round 2, highlighting both Lyoto’s most successful counter punch and Shogun’s hardest body kick of the fight.
Machida lands a very hard counter left, Shogun’s head snaps back just as his kick lands.
Take a close look at Lyoto’s feet here. Notice something? Lyoto doesn’t even have one foot on the ground when his counter straight-left lands. Imagine what would have happened had Lyoto planted his feet?
Again, he isn’t trying to knock Shogun out here, but trip him. Lyoto lifts up his right foot and swivels his hips in order to get his left foot behind Shogun’s left knee as quickly as possible. Lyoto pulls Shogun’s knee towards him and get’s Shogun to fall forward.
by Adam Vance on May 3, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Didn't gzl5000 have differing analyses of these moments?
i.e. claiming that not only was Shogun successful in robbing Machida’s foot sweeps of the necessary power (yeah, it’s his own fault for not planting the feet), but that he rolled his shoulder to protect against the punch.
I will add
That in the Sokoudjou GIF, he had a pretty significant “tell” for his kick attempt that Machida correctly saw as an opening.
He rolls his shoulder to get more power into the kick….
and as became obvious in the fight, leg sweeps aren’t as effective when you’re opponent has all his weight heavily planted on one foot.
Gzl claimed that Shogun’s kicks were stopping Machida’s power, when that wasn’t the case. If Lyoto wanted to hit Shogun as hard as he could, he wouldn’t have gone for the leg sweep at the same moment he was throwing his punch.
Personal guess
For GIF 2, maybe Shogun saw the “tell”? Not regarding the punch, but that Machida was throwing with such little commitment that he read Machida’s true intent, giving him just that much more time to prepare himself to not get swept while throwing the body kick?
One of the little intangibles that may decide this fight, more than their technique or physical condition…
Shogun is briefly rocked in that last GIF, as he also was by a flying knee Lyoto landed in the second round. Both times he recovered quickly and drove for the clinch to give himself time to recover. Lyoto needs to take better advantage of those moments in this fight. Perhaps if Lyoto had been rooted, he might have dropped Shogun with that punch, but he can’t expect to win on one decisive blow, nor can Shogun. I think one thing that didn’t come to mind until the furor had died down after the last fight was that we got to see a lot of heart out of both fighters. They’re both just wrecking crews when they’re on their game, which is 99% of the time. It was impressive seeing them both gut through some hard shots and adversity.
by Kwisatz Haderach on May 3, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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People are putting way to much attention to Shogun’s kicks(some of them at least). That flying kick was nice and flashy but it didn’t have much power behind it. Rua’s feet were not planted, he kicks with the upper part of his shin and doesn’t create a lot of momentum in such close distance. That’s how you create power in flying attacks:
by dancingChicken on May 4, 2010 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he took a pretty decent leg kick to the ribs but Shogun took a straight on punch that he was flying forward into, which not only stopped all his forward momentum. Machida’s strike also landed right before the leg kick did the the leg kick did not slow down the momentum Machida’s hips when his fist landed.
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