Are Andrei Arlovski's Days as a Relevant Heavyweight Over?
Another major focal point that fans were keeping a keen eye on was the return of Andrei Arlovski to the Strikeforce cage following his devastating knockout loss to Brett Rogers nearly one year ago. After using some solid footwork and blazing fast boxing to frustrate Fedor Emelianenko slightly at Affliction's Day of Reckoning back on January 24th, 2009, many fans felt Arlovski was turning onto a new page in the progression of his striking. Unfortunately, Fedor ended his night with a highlight reel knockout after Arlovski made a mental miscue and tried to crush Fedor with a flying knee.
Arlovski's chin came into question following the loss, and those claims exploded into full-fledged "facts" that he had a glass chin after Rogers bombed him at Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields. Arlovski had little time to implement any type of gameplan resembling the strategy against Fedor as Rogers came forward, launched a flurry of heavy punches, and connected multiple times toward the end of the combination to knock out the former UFC champion.
Saturday night's loss to Antonio Silva didn't inspire confidence that Arlovski will ever regain the form that made him a UFC champion, but perhaps the evolution of the sport and the skills of the top talents is surpassing his own. While I think Arlovski put to rest some of the criticism of his chin being made of glass, his supposed boxing acumen wasn't able to put Silva into danger during the bout. In fact, the opposite was the case. Silva was landed far more significant punches in the first two rounds of action.
I'm sure Nate could probably formulate a Judo Chop piece outlining the problems Arlovski had during this battle, but from my own armchair perspective -- he was simply inaccurate and being beaten to the punch by Silva's straighter shots, length, and willingness to take the fight to the ground.
In many of the exchanges, Silva kept his distance and launched combinations of straight punches to his face with a couple of solid overhands finding their home on Andrei's chin. The close quarters' exchanges normally ended with Arlovski backing off unbalanced and getting landed on, but his heavy overhand right missed often in those exchanges. In fact, the sheer power it looked like Arlovski was heaving into his overhands in close quarters would have probably downed Silva, but it was always short of its target.
Being short of Silva's chin isn't exactly luck. Silva's frame and length really caused the inaccuracy, and the fact that Arlovski had to worry about Silva's huge frame and takedown abilities didn't help matters. So, the question becomes... if Arlovski is having problems in mixing both his boxing and his ground defense, how can he compete with top flight competition?
And even tougher question to ask is whether or not he'll remain relevant in the landscape of the heavyweight division outside of the UFC. The UFC dominates our SBN/USAT rankings in the heavyweight division, and without a contract with the UFC -- he's limited to fighting non-top 25 fighters or veterans such as Jeff Monson, Pedro Rizzo, any number of Strikeforce up-and-comers, or Brett Rogers in a rematch. Not exactly a crop of heavyweights that keeps Arlovski relevant toward the top.
Arlovski is only 31 years old, and while 32 years of age is normally the age in athletics in which competitors begin to see a visible decline in their skills -- Arlovski is still rather quick in his delivery on the feet. The real question is whether he can compete against these top talents in MMA against, I'll once again say it, the "new era" of heavyweights. The crop of heavyweights entering the division are bigger, stronger, faster, and Fedor Emelianenko has been the only PRIDE-era fighter to repel them so far.
I don't really want to dismiss Arlovski as he's a heavyweight who gave a lot of fans some memorable moments in his career, but he's rather one-dimensional despite many fans trying to make the claim that his Sambo credentials are noteworthy. They aren't noteworthy because the man simply doesn't use them in the cage... ever. The bigger competition entering the sport has a blueprint gameplan of pressing guys into the cage and exposing deficiencies in takedown defense and ground tactics, and Silva was able to actually do that and beat Arlovski in the stand-up game. I'm going to believe the positive outcome of his striking was a result of Arlovski being a bit hesitant to unload due to the dangers on the ground.
Arlovski needs to become confident in his abilities on the ground, and he really needs to become a threat. Unfortunately, I think it's a tad late for him. He doesn't seem to have the skills in that arena, and I really think he's mentally blocking himself from unleashing the fury that we've seen in the past on the feet. Only time will tell, but it'll be interesting to see how Arlovski reacts to this loss and who he'll be matched up with next.
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His chin persuaded me to say "Yes".
He is just not the same anymore and his punch resistance has gotten worse with age.
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I think his chin looked pretty solid in his fight against Silva but what really worries me is that he looked slower and less technical in terms of his boxing. He should have been the better guy standing up in that fight but he was pretty much beat wherever the fight went…I’m not sure what to think about Arlovski’s status. It does suck to see a fighter I really enjoy watching slowly deteriorate though…
His problem is the mental game
It has been seen before how a fighter’s mind breaks down before his body and it is very evident in how hard he concentrates on his game and how fruitless the outcomes continue to be for him.
He’s still young, determined, gifted, and should not be losing.
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he took clean, hard shots last night and was fine!
I think it’s more psychological than anything, rather than physical chin weakening. an analogy i stole from a fellow maniac, is that Vicious KO’s are like bad car accidents. Some take awhile to get comfortable driving again. Some bounce right back and are hittin’ the roads at auto-bond speeds. and some never drive again.
I also am thinking that AA was never as good as many of had once thought, yet a product of the UFC hype machine.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on May 17, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
was Arlovski on roids at one point?
I remember how big he was back when he was tearing through the UFC. Now he isnt as big and I wondered if that had anything to do with it….
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I don’t see a difference. Dumb comment left by me.
I swear he was much bigger during the UFC though. It seemed like what happened to David Ortiz happened to Arlovski. When he was on the juice he could perform much better but once off he was only average.
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Interesting
Never really considered that but it could be a possibility. Furthermore I am always suspect of athletes who suddenly have significant performance drop offs. Then again a shot chin has nothing to do with steroids.
I actually think he’s had a relatively easier road to the top because he fought a lot of guys who weren’t dynamic. Tim Sylvia doesn’t go to the ground, therefore Arlovski was able to solely work on striking. He lost two times to the guy though.
Marcio Cruz – terrible striking. Not a great takedown artist either.
Fabricio Werdum – terrible fight. Werdum didn’t press at all, and it seemed like that fight was more of Werdum not engaging than Arlovski actually being skilled and winning
Jake O’Brien – He actually was doing well until he got punched.
Rothwell, Nelson, Buentello – All stood with Arlovski, although Rothwell had him in some danger.
A lot of these guys tried to stand with AA, and some just didn’t have explosive takedowns or massive size to take him down. Antonio Silva had that size, and AA is obviously mentally affected from those previous fights as well. I think that overall… it contributed.
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by Leland Roling on May 17, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said yesterday, the one best fight for him is one he can’t have—Big Nog.
He relies on confidence more than anyone I can think of. A sports psycholigist can give him that, only winning can give him that. So I guess they should just feed him can’s to bust up for a couple matches and then go from there.
Also, Big Foot is not a bad fighter, so this isn’t some terrible loss like KID has been having.
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Definitely not a bad loss.
I think giving him some lower level guys could work, although I know he did see a sports psychologist before his last two fights to try to work out the problems.
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by Leland Roling on May 17, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I typo’d. I meant a sports psychologist probably can’t give a guy like AA that because he used to be a destructive force. It’s sort of the mid-life crisis for a fighter like him, but instead of buying a Harley he needs to bust up some faces
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by Anthony Pace on May 17, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I know and work with a number of sport psychologists (I got a masters in the subject.). As with most things, there’s a range of outcomes, and a lot depends on how the athlete approaches the interaction (as well whether the sport psych is any good at all!). If he sought it out on his own, chances are better that he could make some progress with a competent sport psychologist.
Use all ten points.
One thing I noticed is that he seemed ashamed to be seeing a sports psychologist; the quote was something like “This is really embarrassing, but I’ve been seeing a sports psychologist.” Is the sort of sheepish embarrassment something that can be telling, or is that just sort of normal?
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by phantasma475 on May 17, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
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Yeah, I think there still is a pretty strong stigma, and I don’t deal with combat sports, where the macho, tough guy image means a lot to some fighters (Hockey players are notoriously hard to work with as well.). I also think that some fighters/camps are more open to anything that works.
It’s funny because sport psychology is almost completely unrelated to the stereotypes of “therapy” — it’s not about what happened to you as a baby or something. Sport psych is basically about skill building and how to react to the situation that you are facing in the moment in the most productive way.
I think the term “psychology” is intimidating to some people (apparently even those who have been heavyweight champs!) and needs some rebranding to become more acceptable. I often talk to people and call what I do “Mental Strength and Conditioning” or “Performance Coaching” but those are still somewhat loaded terms.
Use all ten points.
Royce Gracie
used a lot of sport psych techniques, though I believe his use of mental practice was something that evolved within his camp. Any Gracie JJ people use visualization techniques or know if it’s something that others use?
Use all ten points.
Guys like Arlovski and Liddell are relics of the past in MMA. They were succesful back when all you needed was one trick to be a good fighter. Nowadays you have to be a complete fighter in every sense of the word to stay on top. One dimensional fighters will never be succesful in MMA anymore. Fighters have to evolve in order stay relevant and, sadly, Andrei is still the exact same fighter he was in 2005. That’s not going to cut it 2010.
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by Dr. Octagon on May 17, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Tell that to John Fitch
I think there are still a lot of guys who excel in MMA on the basis of one amazing aspect of their game. I mean Anderson Silva is basically an extremely talented striker (best in the sport) with enough ground tools to protect himself.
I think AA and Chuck are not victims of evolution so much as they are victims of time.
The other issue is, when you’re a big, scary knockout artist, you need to maintain an aura of invincibility. Once you lose it, and people realize that you can be hurt, the holes in your game start becoming real obvious.
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by Monte Fisto on May 17, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is he relevant?
Sure I think he can stick around as a gate keeper, but I don’t think he will ever be a top contender again. Arlovski has long been one of my favorite fighters and I held out hope he would have a vintage performance last Saturday… Unfortunately, I was wrong.
I was wrong as well.
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by Leland Roling on May 17, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Y’all realize Monson just lost again, right? Monson has lost three of his last five, and two of those losses coming against folks who were decidedly outside the Top 25. Monson is having an even worse time than Arlovski. Goes from being a Top-12 or Top-15 HW and one of the top free agents around to a guy who probably doesn’t belong in the Top 30 anymore, in less than a year.
Arlovski is no longer relevant to the title picture, but after a couple tune-up fights I’d think he could be a gatekeeper.
Yes
He will now be used to build up Lavar Johnson, Bobby Lashley and Shane Del Rosario.
If Werdum loses I could see him getting that fight again.
Jackson needs to have him using his Sambo to get take down and GnP his opponents.
That’s my thought… and while I think giving him lower-tier fights is a solution — it could be his complete undoing. Shane Del Rosario hasn’t looked like the fighter I expect him to be, but if he comes back into form — he’s devastating. He might own Arlovski. Lashley could be a huge problem for Arlovski as well.
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by Leland Roling on May 17, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Could it back fire for Strikeforce?
He could beat those three and while it doesn’t do a lot for him it eleminates prospects.
I think they’ll skip Arlovski in Lashley’s case, and maybe forgo the other two fights.
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by Leland Roling on May 17, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way Lashley will fight Arlovski is if he changes his name to TBA
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For all the talk of how "stacked" the hw division is now it's really not
Once you leave the top 10 most of the guys are not that relevant anymore. Guys like Barnett, Arlovski, Kongo, and Gonzaga. Do they suck? No but I dont think they will ever be top guys again.
The only 2 guys that you could really argue that are on the rise outside of the top 10 is Antonio Silva and Roy Nelson.
You look at everyone else outside of the top 10 and they are declining really. And please save me your comments about how Barnett is on the rise beating Mighty Mo and if he beats Geranimo Dos Santos.
Who ever told Andrei he was a great boxer, did a great disservice to his career.
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I thought this was decided when he went on BULLY BEATDOWN to kick the shit out of a fat kid….
The old Arlovski used to fight on his toes
bouncing around the cage, frustrating bigger opponents until he found an opening and unloaded. He was feared by his opponents (see Sylvia-Arlovski2) because of the unpredictability and lethal quality of those attacks. His weakness, which Fedor recognized and gameplanned for (according to postfight interviews), was that he would often become overzealous when going for the kill and drop his guard while going for a big finish. The Arlovski against Bigfoot Silva was flatfooted, standing either in front of Silva or just moving straight back. He didn’t really use his speed or athleticism advantage at all, except just in trying to come into the pocket, throw a punch, and run away real fast backwards.
by Trust Doesn't Rust on May 17, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions
That and using straight punch combinations. Silva is no speed demon but he seemed much quicker. Either he doesn’t game plan very well or he doesn’t follow it.
Root for the home team jack ass
by KING FEDOR on May 17, 2010 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I mentioned this the other day, but during the pre-fight interviews, Arlovski kept talking about how he spent 2 weeks at Greg Jackson’s, and “some time” at AKA. A week or 2 of training at an elite camp is not going to make that huge an impact on an established fighter’s overall skill set. Perhaps if he made a permanent switch to either camp, we could see a true revitalization. He obviously needs to make some changes if we wants to return to the top, and it is totally up to him to make those changes. He may have lost some relevance, but I know Ill still be tuning in for his next fight. If it’s televised.
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by mburtoni on May 17, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
he isnt exactly old
but its all about psychological issues with some fighters AA obviously had issues following the rogers loss and this fight really didnt help at all
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He was getting Countered
and had no answer for it. It seemed to me, he started a lot of the exchanges, and Big Foot simply waited for Andrei to commit and countered off of it. I
Arlovski needs to train at a BIG camp full time, with elite fighters that will push him. I also think that implementing more kicks would suit his fame well, since he is an agile quicker HW than most.
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Lets see...
Loss to Fedor in a very close fight. This actually helped his stock more than it hurt it because of how gamely he was fighting. Can’t ding a guy for that performance.
Loss to Rogers hurt his reputation a bit. It certainly aggravated the rumors about his chin.
Loss to Big Foot mostly due to an area of MMA where he is supposed to excel at really hurts his reputation and relevancy.
AA is definitely not relevant to any title contendership right now, his place is tentatively gatekeeper. Another loss and he won’t be relevant as a gatekeeper either for the 2 big promotions. A solid win will at least stop his downward slide, but even a spectacular win won’t put him back into top 10 relevancy for me especially since his next competition will prob be someone lower than Big Foot was.
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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on May 17, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Andrei’s major problem IS mental. He’s too tentative about engaging and just going for it; probably worried about getting KOd again. Some fighters are able to forget about the KO and keep moving forward, but Arlovski is not one of those people. To make matters worse he’s a confidence driven fighter, so if a fight isn’t going his way he starts to shell up. He’s got the skills and the physical attributes, but needs to work on this…if it can be worked on.
Something just looked wrong with Arlovski. His footwork sucked, his normally crisp and accurate boxing was looping and off the mark. His body looked softer than normal.
Honestly he looked like he hadn’t really trained.
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 17, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions
After the first round my brother and I both said the same thing. There seemed to be no straight punches. It seemed to only be slow arriving looping punches. Not to take anything from Silva but AA made Silva look like a much better boxer then he actually is.
Root for the home team jack ass
by KING FEDOR on May 17, 2010 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ring Rust...
He has been out of action for a long time. Bigfoot wasn’t exactly a tune up fight either, he’ll be back.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on May 17, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Is anyone making sure he isn’t playing Belarussion Roulette?
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on May 17, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think his chin is as bad as people say.
Fedor hit AA HARD. He was moving into the punch, it was flush and on the button. The mistake was going for the knee, but that’s not a massive error or anything. Rogers hits like a drump truck, unless you’re a freak of nature it’s good night Irene. Anyone have a gif of the Rogers KO, I’d love to see it again.
Fedor hit AA hard while he was basically in a frozen position in mid-air. Anybody is gonna get KO’d in that vulnerable of a state, in my mind. And Rogers hit him like four times in the chin.
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by Leland Roling on May 17, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Anred was irrelevant the minute UFC cut him. It was apparent that he was fodder for Fedor, Rogers and Big Foot. The only future Pitbull has is gatekeeping Strikeforce or Dream cards. The next up and coming fighter that comes thru the doors can fight Andre as a measuring stick/ litmus test. Pitbull still has a name and looks the part, so, for the uneducated fringe MMA fan, he is prolly still marketable. Die hards however, know the dealio.
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He backed straight up
when he was attacked. Right into the cage. AGAIN. For sure people have told him to stop doing this and he just doesn’t listen. So much natural ability wasted.
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Where was Arlovski's lateral movement?
For someone with such highly touted boxing skills, Andrei displayed very little lateral movement, he just moved straight backward whenever he was pressed. What was he thinking? Was he trying to time an overhand during one of Silva’s assaults?
The few times he moved to his left, he had openings, but he only really did this once or twice. What gives?
I think Arlovski has become a stepping stone.
I thought he would win Saturday night. Clearly I was mistaken.

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