Jim Ross gives his prediction for Shane Carwin vs. Brock Lesnar:
"I'm a Lesnar guy but I will guarantee you that this will be a war and will be Lesnar's toughest test to date in MMA. Shane Carwin has many of the same physical tendencies and comparable athletic background that Brock possesses but until someone gets it done, I'm going with Lesnar. The mental makeup of Brock Lesnar is something to behold and one has to fully understand the man to know just how much he hates/detests losing. The former WWE and NCAA champion will train like a madman in preparation for this July 3 confrontation on PPV in Vegas."
"For the record, I've known many 'driven,' world class athletes in my career but none more so than Brock Lesnar."
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I always love to hear J.R.’s take on the MMA world, he always comes across as very knowledgeable in his statements.
Yeah? Remember last year when Lebron won the MVP? Who took home the real MVP? You know, the one the comes with a damn championship?
by zakkree on May 16, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
It's gonna be a slobberknocker!!!
Lemonade was a popular drink, and it still is. I get more stunts and props than Bruce Willis- Guru
by Dr. Octagon on May 17, 2010 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
disagree.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 17, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I never thought of it that way…
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
Well, if you read Ross’s statements above and then see if he does in fact seem “knowledgeable” as Zak says it’s not hard to follow my line of reasoning.
This one is my favorite:
The former WWE and NCAA champion will train like a madman …
Brock Lesnar train hard for a fight. In other news, water is wet. Film at 11.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 17, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I was being facetious
It was a Family Guy reference. Peter is at a party and Quagmire ask him if he wants a beer. Peter tells Quagmire that he can’t because he told Lois that he wouldn’t drink. Quagmire says “ohhh, come on” to which Peter replies “I never thought of it that way.”
Jim Ross is surprisingly insightful when it comes to MMA. I’m a fan.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
Carwin FTW
Bad ass
myspace.com/tbma <--- Give it a listen, let me know what you think.
Proud conductor of the Shane Carwin hype train.
Shane Carwin hits you and even if your payin the bill it doesn't matter. Your lights are gettin shut off.
by II SMASH II on May 16, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!
Oh, we’re entertained.
by ChiCubs23 on May 17, 2010 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
myspace.com/tbma <--- Give it a listen, let me know what you think.
Proud conductor of the Shane Carwin hype train.
Shane Carwin hits you and even if your payin the bill it doesn't matter. Your lights are gettin shut off.
by II SMASH II on May 17, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i had no idea who this guy was till i starting reading his opinions on mma
and his take on stuff is always real accurate and educated, more so than many many mainstream journalists when they talk about mma which is odd coming from a guy who makes his living in the wwe and selling bbq sauce
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
God, I'd love it it...
If Good ‘Ol JR replaced what’s his face and it was JR and Rogan doing the announcing. I have no doubt JR would be every bit at MMA as he is at pro wrestling.
by Limelight on May 16, 2010 11:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I never thought about that before, I’m biased since I grew up in the ‘90s pro-wrestling days, but I’d love to hear J.R. commentating MMA events….
Yeah? Remember last year when Lebron won the MVP? Who took home the real MVP? You know, the one the comes with a damn championship?
by zakkree on May 17, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
& JR’s breakdown was far more intelligent than any prediction that Goldie could have ever given.
by steak_knife on May 17, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like JR but I don’t get how you guys think that this breakdown is groundbreaking. pretty much all of JR’s fight breakdowns are very simplistic, yet somehow the fans seem to think that he’s some kind of mma analyzing messiah.
I don’t think he is half as knowledgable about mma as you guys may think.
by kanodogg on May 17, 2010 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nobody said anything about it being “groundbreaking”, the guy just said it was a more intelligent breakdown than Goldy could give.
by ufc4 on May 17, 2010 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Whoa, don't set the bar too high there....
“a more intelligent breakdown than Goldy could give.”
Not sure anyone could meet that standard…
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
by duck on May 17, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still gotta take Carwin on this. Lesnar was awful on his feet in the Mir rematch, and if he lets Carwin connect the way Mir did, he will be put to sleep.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
I’m going with Lesnar, but what you say about his standup being rough does make me very nervous vs. a guy like Carwin.
"Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'' - Ali
by JeremyShane on May 17, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
There were a total of 12 punches thrown that whole fight
I really don’t think there’s very much to be gained from 12 punches in terms of insight.
This is a very tough fight to call...
I say double knockout ala Rocky III.
Day-man! Fighter of the Night-man! Champion of the sun. You're a master of Karate and friendship for everyone!
"Charlie"
wasnt 3
mr t?? are you referencing rocky 2 when creed and rocky fell? or am i remembering things wrong?
You are correct. Apollo was two and three was Clubber Lang.
"We knew it could get out of hand..." Dick Jauron following 56-10 loss to New England.
You guys are missing the reference...
at the end of Rocky III, after he defeats Clubber Lang, Rocky and Appollo Cread meet at that gym by themselves and swing and appear to land a big shot at the same time in the last frame… Wow, can’t believe I am talking about Rocky movies.
Day-man! Fighter of the Night-man! Champion of the sun. You're a master of Karate and friendship for everyone!
"Charlie"
by punchdrank on May 17, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
very obscure
and not sure if its a double knockout or what that has to do with it, but whatever. huge rocky fan
by Body Triangle on May 17, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He could be referring to the scene that ends III and opens IV, where Rocky and Creed are sparing and hit each other at the same time.
Either way, thats my favorite movie series of all time.
Rocky I,II, and IV FTW!
A true MMA fan from the great state of Arkansas.
by MMArazorback on May 17, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
You hit it on the nose...
Day-man! Fighter of the Night-man! Champion of the sun. You're a master of Karate and friendship for everyone!
"Charlie"
BINGO...
Day-man! Fighter of the Night-man! Champion of the sun. You're a master of Karate and friendship for everyone!
"Charlie"
I think Carwin can take this
Like in the Mir fight, Dirty boxing will be a huge factor in this fight.
Carwin’s hands will be too heavy for Brock’s chin, I think.
If Brock gets the chance for the takedown before any clinchwork or strikes, I think there’s gonna be a whole lot of smothering action going on.
Yeah? Remember last year when Lebron won the MVP? Who took home the real MVP? You know, the one the comes with a damn championship?
And...
If Carwin can stay on his feet long enough to get his back on the cage he can start the clinch game. Hypothetically, of course.
Should be a great fight. I’m excited to see it.
I think it’ll be a quick fight, one way or another… There’s just entirely too much strength in that cage at one time.
Yeah? Remember last year when Lebron won the MVP? Who took home the real MVP? You know, the one the comes with a damn championship?
He also has fists larger than my skull.
Yeah? Remember last year when Lebron won the MVP? Who took home the real MVP? You know, the one the comes with a damn championship?
Brock isn’t a complete dope, he’s gonna shoot for the takedown immediately and not waste time possibly getting KTFO when he has a much easier chance of winning by getting top ground control.
by carpiverson on May 17, 2010 12:18 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
That being said, Carwin’s gonna knock him the fuck out
by carpiverson on May 17, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes Sir
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on May 17, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m gonna go with Brock by Viking spaz out, and he’ll win so impressively that he will be proclaimed from high and low as the greatest heavyweight of all time.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on May 17, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Either that
Or most of these same people will tout Cain as the guy to beat him. Or Dos Santos. Or Fedro. So on and so on.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Charles Awad on May 17, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedro?
Is that Fedor’s non-union Mexican equivalent?
by Razreshat on May 17, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This guy..
myspace.com/tbma <--- Give it a listen, let me know what you think.
Proud conductor of the Shane Carwin hype train.
Shane Carwin hits you and even if your payin the bill it doesn't matter. Your lights are gettin shut off.
by II SMASH II on May 17, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
This is the best photoshop I have ever seen! LMFAO!!
Well, that one in the center: he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left: he had scared eyes, he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left: he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
You don’t think that Carwin is a more difficult stylistic matchup than Dos Santos or Cain?
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
More than Cain, yeah
Dos Santos is still a bit of a mystery, honestly. I’m not saying Carwin can’t win, but so many people are so cocksure that he’s going to dethrone Lesnar, no problem. Hoping he’ll win is one thing, but people have seemingly forgotten how dominant Lesnar has been.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Charles Awad on May 17, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
A dominant run that includes
a hard-fought victory over a 62 year old Randy Couture and a win over a Gabby Jay-like Frank Mir. I think Carwin’s recent fight history is every bit as impressive as Lesnar’s, if not moreso. Although Lesnar has held the title for a decent amount of time now, most of it has been without defending his title. I honestly have no idea who will win this match, and if he beats Carwin, we can call him dominant. Until then, Lesnar is still a 4-1 relative mma neophyte.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
by Rudinho479 on May 17, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no, even if Brock loses via ko It won’t damage his reputation much seeing as how he is coming off a year long layoff/life threatening injury. probably why Dana was repeatedly telling us about the severity of his illness.
by kanodogg on May 17, 2010 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Will they assign Tan Dan to officiate this fight?He’s the only one big enough. Lesnar might eat Maz or Yamasaki if he loses and decides it was stopped early.
by dribblebib on May 17, 2010 12:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
oh god I hope not, mirg could possibly be the worst ref. smart money says Yamasaki or dean. I’m betting dean.
by kanodogg on May 17, 2010 10:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hot Tub would be WAY worse
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
Please, please, please....
don’t let it be Hot Tub.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
4 things.. rocky 2 had the double ko.. carwin (to me at least) looks way stronger and definantly more crazy so he’ll win.. brock lesnar cant be the best hw of all time, hes had all of 5 fights? and i hate whats happened to pro-wrestling but JR is from a time when it ruled and is legit.
about the double KO
Rocky 2 did have a double knockdown, but Part 3 insinuated at the end of the film that another double KO was coming when Rocky and Apollo step in the ring to have private boxing match.
AND
JR is legit.
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on May 17, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Im gana laugh my ass off if this fight goes all 25 min.
Besides that , Ross is really starting to be a favorite of mine when it comes to his comments on MMA, very very smart guy.
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
And now for something completely different
If Lesnar takes it to the ground, the one key thing that will be interesting is if Carwin can utilize his BJJ. Yes he’s only a purple belt, but none the less he’s at least trained a little more in submissions than Lesnar. I think that is the one hidden factor. My choice: Carwin by Submission Rd. 2
I very much doubt that's true
Lesnar’s BJJ coach is one of the finest grapplers in the world in Rodrigo Medieros and he trains full time. If anything, I’d bet Lesnar has the superior BJJ.
Yup. I’m not sure where this idea that Brock is foreign to submission grappling or that he has a lack of quality BJJ training comes from.
When Mir tried in the rematch
Brock just made him stand back up, then shoved him back against the cage, got him to the mat, and beat his head. Rinse, repeat.
"Oh, and Joe? If Brian hits any of your delicate millionaires, know that he meant it." - Stacey
Heck, Brock easily outgrappled Mir in the 2nd match. He passed to half guard and then secured that nasty 1 arm half nelson and bashed Mir’s face in. That wasn’t just brute force, it was awesome technique plus brute force. Lesnar’s been paying attention to technique in his training, for sure.
by Hardcharger on May 17, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, that was a very specific gameplan to smash Mir’s half guard. He stood up out of Mir’s open guard but dove into the half. It certainly wasn’t a free-rolling scramble where we got to see how good Lesnar was at improvising quickly through a scramble. His total ground game (aside from the wrestling and one counter to half guard) is a complete mystery.
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
I see that people are still sleeping on Brock’s stand up that’s a mistake and something that I hope Carwin isn’t doing. Brock has massive power of his own and while he will look for the takedown and some gnp, he has also shown heavy punches in his fights Carwin better be ready for that.
Nope.
Brock’s standup is pretty low level.
He couldn’t land anything significant on Couture until he clipped the back of his head with a big shot.
Low level striking indeed
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by Cory Braiterman on May 17, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Most of the punches were thrown with both fighter on the ground
AKA
The fighters were not standing up
AKA
Not an example of how good Brock’s stand up is.
yup
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by Cory Braiterman on May 17, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That was HH post Nog fight #3. HH never made it to the press confrence due to BROCKLESNARRRR!!!! mauling related injury.
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by Cory Braiterman on May 17, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, lets ignore Brock rocking him with an ELBOW. Come on man, let’s not throw facts out the window here. His striking isn’t the best, but it’s most definitely functional.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 17, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Shane Carwin only has one combo
Let’s not pretend he’s some sort of striking dynamo. He throws a feint jab followed by straight right over and over and over again. It works because he’s got absurd power, not because he’s some sort of refined, technical striker. Lesnar and Carwin both have simplistic striking. They also both have incredible power.
I don’t know. I think I’ll take Couture’s word on it over some random internet guys. He said Brock’s blows were pretty brutal due to his distance, hand size and strength. Does he need polishing? Of course, he has a wrestling base, not a boxing one. But when you have those three things in your striking, it can make up for a lack of finesse.
Plus, everyone constantly seems to assume fighters never improve apparently. Don’t skip the parts of JRs comments talking about Brock’s work ethic/drive. I would bet he spends a decent amount of time working on the things he isn’t great at.
"Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'' - Ali
Actually he hit him right above the ear. Basicaly in the temple. Also Brock’s knees that landed on Randy. But don’t let videotape evidence get in the way of your bias.
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by Earl Montclair on May 17, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm...
Who the hell is Jim Ross, and why is his opinion cramming up my favorite MMA news site?
Yeah, so this reminds me of Wrestler Wisdom Fridays:
More here.
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Got Lesnar on this one
Carwin is no joke, and he can end it with one punch. But I don’t think he’ll get the chance, nor will Carwin be able to bully Lesnar like he did to Mir. And did anyone else notice that Carwin wasn’t able to take Mir down? Doesn’t bode well to me against Lesnar.
certified warlord
Carwin's strategy
against Mir was to press him against the cage and dirty box. Carwin didn’t want to take Mir to the ground and have to worry about his submission game. He could probably employ this same strategy against Lesnar if he chooses to. Although Lesnar has likely improved quite a bit since then, Couture was able to successfully press Lesnar against the fence and dirty box him. He also nearly took Lesnar down if now for Brock grabbing the cage.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
Randy didn’t land a strike of significance while clinching with Lesnar. And he ate several brutal knees to the body and one to the head for his troubles. Lesnar also paced himself against Couture and didn’t fight the clinch for much of the time until he wanted out, and then he got out. Brock won’t let Carwin just push him up against the cage in this fight.
by Hardcharger on May 17, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it me or...
Does Carwin look like Brocks skeleton in those photos? Unless the distance is off on those photos Brock is going to show up much heavier than Carwin.
Carwin’s weight is more evenly distributed. He has huge legs
Root for the home team jack ass
by KING FEDOR on May 17, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lesnar has big legs as well. His calves just aren’t monstrous because his legs are longer.
by Hardcharger on May 17, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
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