Josh Koscheck Makes Epic Heel Turn at UFC 113
Josh Koscheck hasn't exactly been the fan favorite of the UFC, ever since he was one of the bad boys on season 1 of The Ultimate Fighter. His instigation of Chris Leben and overall attitude got under the skin of many viewers but what stood out to me were his fighting skills. He was still very raw, relying almost entirely on his wrestling to blanket his opponents. That style of fighting has never been fan friendly, but I would say that of all the fighters that have ever appeared on The Ultimate Fighter, Koscheck is one of the most improved. Koscheck has obviously put a lot of effort into his striking and it has shown with several knockouts. Josh had gotten back into my good graces after reeling off several impressive victories recently, and then he whipped out one of the most dramatic "heel" post-fight speech at UFC 113.
If you don't know what a heel is, it's a professional wrestling term for "the bad guy". Think of characters in the WWE that insult the crowd, low blow their opponents and cheat. Josh didn't cheat, but he channeled his inner "Iron Sheik" after his fight with Paul Daley was over and fully embraced the heel persona.
Paul Daley had just sucker punched him after the fight, and when Joe Rogan asked Josh about it, he completely ignored the question and took a huge sucker punch of his own, at the Montreal crowd who had been booing him for much of the fight.
Hey, don't worry! The Pittsburgh Penguins are gonna kick your ass next week. Yeah, and then I'm gonna beat St-Pierre so you guys are gonna lose twice. How 'bout that? That's right Montreal!
This brought a cascade of boos from the crowd, and I'm sure many fans hated it. But guess what? I LOVED IT!!!! It was hilarious! Some may say this reminded them of Brock Lesnar's embarrassing post fight taunting speech at UFC 100, but this wasn't vulgar, it was funny. He hit the Canadian crowd right where it hurts, their hockey and their GSP. He didn't talk about "laying with his wife", insult his opponent or rip the sponsors, this was pure antagonism at its finest.
I'm not even sure why the crowd was booing Koscheck in the first place. He was executing an eerily similar gameplan that their beloved Georges St. Pierre displayed in his last 2 title defenses: stay standing long enough to take your opponent down. Once on the ground, Koscheck tried to end the fight twice with chokes, but Paul Daley persevered.
Maybe the crowd was reacting to Koscheck hamming it up after a failed knee attempt by Daley when Josh was still on the ground. The replay clearly showed that Daley's knee barely grazed Koscheck's curly hair, but Josh acted like he'd been hit with a sledgehammer. This was the second time Koscheck has dramatized an illegal strike to gain a couple minutes to recover in his last two fights, and I'm sure that hasn't gone over well with the crowd either.
Regardless, this now sets up a monstrous title fight down the road between Koscheck and St. Pierre as well as two very opposite coaching personalities on season 12 of The Ultimate Fighter. Some may knock Koscheck for having already lost to GSP nearly 3 years ago but you have to remember that Josh is the last person to even win a round against the current welterweight champ. This matchup forecasts to be ratings gold. Whether you are tuning in because you love him or you hate him, you will likely be tuning in. And that's all that matters.
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Can’t stand Kos, but that was awesome!
Nothing wrong with playing the heel and it looks like he is embracing it. Love him or hate him, it’s a win. Indifference is the loss.
Smart Guys play the Heel and get the $$$$
Ask Tito
or Brock
or Aoki (japan heel)
or Diaz Bros
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by SouthCaliStunNa on May 13, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the Diaz boys are playing
but still, point taken.
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by Dave Strummer on May 13, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
You and I are talking about it right now and Interested makes money.
Also, Great point about the Canadian double-standard. Love GSP w/ his wrestling and boo Kos w/ his. Though the knee might have something to do with the boo’s.
well KOS will be taking on GSP
hence the boo
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by SouthCaliStunNa on May 13, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
they were booing him before his entrance music started.
and yeah, agreed with that. They boo Koscheck’s wrestling, but applaud GSP??
last time i checked, Koscheck actually finishes guys too. Koscheck actually has recent KO’s, not to mention his last fight before daley earned him fight of the night lol so why boo him?
Koscheck’s Last 4 wins:
Decision, Submission, TKO, KO
GSP’s Last 4 Wins:
Decision, Decision, TKO, Decision
and may i specify that GSP’s TKO was a technicallity, Penn’s corner called it inbetween rounds. not to mention that fight was boring.
BOTTOM LINE: GSP=BORING, KOS=ENTERTAINING
by LeeroyJenkin$ on May 13, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
theyre not boing the wrestling
theyre booing the man
I'm not afraid of dying, I'm a little bit scared of what comes after
by SouthCaliStunNa on May 13, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, give me a break. The TKO of Penn was as legit as it gets, and is more impressive than anything Koscheck has ever done. I also notice you purposefully omitted Koscheck’s TKO loss in his recent fights, and didn’t mention the competition that hasn’t been on GSP’s level.
The last top level guys Kos faced resulted in a decision win, a TKO loss, and a decision loss. But hey, you’re free to call his losses exciting.
by Hardcharger on May 13, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Yeah you might say Kos losing is exciting. I could care less, his heel shtick is unimaginative and is for the simple.
But Leeroy Jenkins’ post is about as flawed as any I ever read. Seriously, who’s he kidding. Like Koscheck is going to get a KO of Fitch and BJ?
But yeah, keep bragging about KO’s of Yoshida and the other fogie that everyone knew had absolutely no business in the UFC, much less a top wrestler like Kos.
by Dooda on May 14, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NO...
Koscheck’s last four wins = Yoshida, Trigg, Johnson, Daley
GSP’s = Fitch, Penn, Alves (who beat Kos) and Hardy
Bit of a difference in competition there don’t you think. And Kos’s win over Daley is just as ‘boring’ if not more so than GSP’s over Alves and Hardy. The thing that made those fights boring the most was their one sided nature.
GSP > Kos
Still love Kos tho and think he has a better chance than anyone in the WW division. Can’t wait.
It was a good attempt at antagonism, but it seemed forced rather than Lesnar’s ability with the mic.
And I’m quite certain Kos’s acting brought about the boo birds, as it should’ve.
FWIW, Kos’s first prediction regarding hockey already blew up in his face.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on May 13, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You write:
“I’m not even sure why the crowd was booing Koscheck in the first place. He was executing an eerily similar gameplan that their beloved Georges St. Pierre displayed in his last 2 title defenses: stay standing long enough to take your opponent down. Once on the ground, Koscheck tried to end the fight twice with chokes, but Paul Daley persevered.”
My thoughts exactly. I absolutely love GSP, but even I was a bit puzzled by Montreal’s booing someone for executing a GSP special (sans the armbar and kimura submission attempts). I thought Kos looked impressive, perhaps primarily because of how intelligently he fought. He even showed tremendous poise in laughing off a sucker punch. He gets a lot of shit, but there aren’t that many fighters who would have just snickered after getting popped in the eye following the final bell.
Kos wisely, in my opinion, has embraced the heel role,. Nothing is worse than an unpopular fighter that tries hard, yet fails, to garner the crowd’s love (e.g., Jamie Varner). I also agree that love him or hate him (and it’s mostly “hate him” on this site) you’re on margin more likely to tune into what would otherwise be another forgettable series of TUF given his presence.
by The Darkness on May 13, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
thanks
And very good call on Varner. When the fans don’t like you already, why not go for broke like Koscheck? I appreciate the response.
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by Brian Hemminger on May 13, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same
after the Nog fight, i recall him saying something to the effect of “it sucks cause everybody was just starting to like me” hahaha
i was there for the Fedor fight, and it was hilarious how every time they showed Tim in the locker room, the whole arena erupted in boos, then they’d pan to fedor and everyone cheered. hahaha
poor Tim…..
by LeeroyJenkin$ on May 13, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re assuming they were booing because of the gameplan, which I don’t believe to be correct. Everyone went apeshit after they saw him faking the injury on the replay.
by Hardcharger on May 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The post fight presser was hilarious with Kos
Dana said something to the effect of “Kos doesn’t have to work very hard on being a dick” hah.
I loved the comments he made (even though Les Habitants kicked Pitt to the curb) I thought it was well played as you said, it wasn’t vulgar or anything but it differently pushed all the right buttons. He said that he had been thinking about what he was going to say if they booed him.
Great write-up, I use to hate the “human blanket” but you’re right he’s done tremendous work on all other aspects of his game and has me as a fan now and I’ll definitely be one tuning in to TUF specifically to watch him.
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yeah the Habs winning put a damper on his predictions
But it was still awesome in general. Thanks for the kind comments
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by Brian Hemminger on May 13, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I can respect what he's going for
But as far as trash talk goes, it was pretty lame. “You’re gonna lose twice!” is something I might have heard in elementary school.
haha yeah
and when he called out hardy, he kinda sounded that way “i’m the number one…… freakin contender here” hahaha
but he’s awesome, gotta love Kos.
by LeeroyJenkin$ on May 13, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You may not realize
but pissing on the Canadiens is a huge insult to the montreal crowd probably more than anything else he could have done
by Reeferbot on May 13, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did not realize that
But it makes sense. Still, it just wasn’t very…creatively phrased? I don’t know, just came across as the least menacing thing ever.
Not particulary creative...
But highly effective. Taking a dig at the Montreal Canadiens is taken very personally by the Habs faithful. That combined with the dig at GSP, who is a regional hero, was all that it took for them to hate him eternally.
Way to sell the fight Kos. GSP already has one of the highest buy rates in the UFC. Now people will tune in to see Kos lose.
by funkywanderer on May 14, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He was disliked
But with his post-fight speech, he fully embraced the hate and went full on heel. There are plenty of fighters who are disliked (Jamie Varner, Tim Sylvia), but only a few that use it to their advantage (Brock Lesnar, Josh Koscheck now).
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by Brian Hemminger on May 13, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty ambivalent about the guy. He’s good at being “that guy” but he seems to have some kind of karmic price to pay for it all by losing at exactly the wrong time to get kicked out of the title shot.
Otherwise he’s completely predictable and simple, and the price he pays for being the way he is is that he’ll never be the champ.
But I love how he’s come as a fighter. The guy’s a first rate athlete and has adapted well. I just don’t see him being champ as long as GSP’s the holder. If GSP vacates however, I like his chances.
So long as he never fights Fitch. He’s number three in WW, and I expect will remain so for years. He can’t even wait GSP out, as he is older, has been knocked out more etc.
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
I disagree
Koscheck and GSP have both only been knocked out once each, and I’d say Serra’s KO of St. Pierre was more devastating than the 1-2 uppercut hook combo of Paulo Thiago.
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by Brian Hemminger on May 14, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions
And why would you split haris on the “more devastating” TKO? Neither guy went to sleep after being hit very hard.
Meh
it was meant as a response to outlander’s claim that Kos had been knocked out more. Reply fail on my part.
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by Brian Hemminger on May 14, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
loved it
He won me over as a fan when he called out Canada, I thought it was hilarious, and much better than addressing Daley’s idiotic move. It’s a shame Sid the Kid didn’t have Kos’s back…
He didn’t call out Canada, he made one bold statement that was foolish and look what happened. Let’s see what happens with his other claim…..
by Brennan Linn on May 15, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly wouldn't describe any of it as "epic"
to use another professional wrestling term, what Koscheck did was known as “cheap heat” when you chose to insult a rather generic subject such as a sports team, national monument, and so on to get a reaction from the local crowd. In all my years of watching the WWF I feel like even I could’ve come up with something better than “you guys are gonna lose, YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!” I don’t mind when certain fighters do try to play up the heel role but it depends on how they do it. I appreciate a guy like Sonnen who seems to dive into it head first rather than guys that either try to be a heel one minute but then a face later when they can’t take the heat (King Mo) or guys that are just too over the top to be taken seriously (Koscheck).
More than anything I was indifferent to the post fight performance and more dissapointed in the fight in general between the phantom knee, lack of action, and sucker punch. It honestly wasn’t anything to get me too hyped up about either guy’s chances against Gorgeous George. Now if Kos had come out, chocked Daley out in the first, and committed to a more than half thought out antagonism to the Montreal crowd then that would’ve been something.
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I don’t get it….
Nothing was epic about it.
He didn’t make a “heel turn” cause the guy has been hated for years now.
Pointless fan post…
I would call it “Koscheck makes us all remember why we dont like him” or “Koscheck reminds us of how much of a douchebag he is”…. Definitely one of those…
I agree, nothing epic about it.
by Brennan Linn on May 16, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions

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