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Brandon Vera on Sport Science: the Difference Between Shogun & Machida's Kicks

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Pretty cool

Thanks for putting that up pare.

by JSaint25 on May 13, 2010 1:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t see how its surprising that Vera (primarily a Muay Thai fighter) is better at Muay Thai than he is at Karate.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on May 13, 2010 2:35 AM EDT reply actions  

He's better at Muay Thai than Karate for sure,

but I think the general concept is right. Karate kicks are generally faster, but produces, less force since it’s the foot, and not the shin that hits the target.

by Anton Tabuena on May 13, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

no i agree

it looks like he intends to throw the muay thai kick harder

by cagefightonacid on May 13, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

It was a really slow news day huh?

by jgrantt18 on May 13, 2010 2:37 AM EDT reply actions  

usually is in the middle of the night

"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni

by midwestbred on May 13, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

My bad

Sorry I’m not an amazing bloodyelbow contributer. Maybe I’ll post up sports science videos from last weeks MMA Live too.

Dicks.

by jgrantt18 on May 13, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was incredibly fascinating

STX may be on to something (but with savate – not karate – and muay thai). Thanks Anton.

by John Nash on May 13, 2010 2:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Brandon is transitioning....

from the difference of being a contender….to having his face broken by Mr. Jones.

The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.

by Koob on May 13, 2010 3:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d like to see them do one for Mitrione vs Kimbo

by DirtyML on May 13, 2010 3:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t want to be grumpy, but this presentation sucked.
Vera showed two MT head kicks, one with the foot (most common) and second the shin (less common, because you have to be closer to your opponent which could end up with hard counter. Height of you opponent also matters in choice of the kick).
Karate kicks are performed with different technique (power comes from hip rotation and leg snap).

"- His nickname is "fly", so I look forward to see him fly out of the ring after I punch him.
- He says that I'm known as a "fly"...but flies like shit, so I'm gonna be all over you."

by dancingChicken on May 13, 2010 5:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I was wondering this as well, there was not much difference in the technique between them.

by Oneman on May 13, 2010 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it wasn’t clear to me why the karate kick would be inherently faster, or why the MT kick would be inherently more powerful.

by moconne6 on May 13, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t make any sense to me, either. Just because they have a name or label shouldn’t physically make them too much different. I also think Vera went after the muay thai kick (watch his face) harder than the Karate kick.

Did you see the size of that chicken?

by Heenan on May 13, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know nothing

I’ve heard that muay thai kicks are with more of a straight leg, and that karate emphasizes snapping from the knee. Can anyone confirm?

And yeah, if you do the same technique but hit with the shin instead of the foot, it seems pretty damn likely you’ll get more impact. This show is all fluff.

Use all ten points.

by MasonA on May 13, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

basically thats true, Karate has more emphasis on higher kicks (body to head) and Muay Thai emphasizes lower kicks (body to legs)

by kibbled_bits on May 13, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that this presentation was lacking. Yes, there is science behind it, but there are so many holes in their experiment, there’s no way this is accurate. Though the general concept of hitting with the shin vs the foot is probably correct.

by pud333 on May 13, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Vera basically puts less hip movement in the karate kick, which makes it faster and less powerful. It’s hardly a difference between Karate and Muay Thai kick. Although the idea is correct.

"- His nickname is "fly", so I look forward to see him fly out of the ring after I punch him.
- He says that I'm known as a "fly"...but flies like shit, so I'm gonna be all over you."

by dancingChicken on May 13, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm enough of a nerd

that i think the idea of this show is awesome, but they cut so many corners, and add so much fluff that it’s pretty unwatchable. there’s like 25 seconds of info in the 3 minutes of video, and, it seems, they don’t even get the core stuff right. this could be a discussion of what happens when a muay thai striker doesn’t range his kick right and ends up hitting with the foot, but they try to dress it up…

Use all ten points.

by MasonA on May 13, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow that was pretty cool

Where did this air? On Sportscenter? Or just on MMA live?

Hello. I take stuff too seriously.

by The Flying Gentleman on May 13, 2010 5:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Or was it just on Sports science? But i thought that show was on the Discovery Channel?

Hello. I take stuff too seriously.

by The Flying Gentleman on May 13, 2010 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

They showed it on the Thursday night 1am EST MMA Live on ESPN2, then again during the UFC 113 pre-show, also on ESPN2.

by dano- on May 13, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

This show makes me sad

So much potential, but such crappy execution. They basically said that MT and Karate kicks are the same, except for the part of the foot that contacts. I’m fairly sure that’s a gross simplification, ignoring things like the role the quads play in snapping the lower leg or holding it ridged, or even the way the hips roll when setting up the kicks. There’s much more to it than just striking area. It’s entirely likely that Vera wasn’t throwing the karate kick correctly, since, most people don’t. That’s why there was such fascination with Machida when he first became popular; here was a karate guy throwing kicks that actually hurt.

Maybe my standards are too high, since I’m surrounded by stuff like this all the time at work, but the episode when they tried to establish whether a large mass at low acceleration generates more force than a small mass at high acceleration made me facepalm pretty badly.

by Shaun32887 on May 13, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

The shin vs foot thing is silly anyway. Muay Thai hits with both and so do some styles of Karate like Kyokushin. Its the chamber leg(karate,tkd,etc) vs spinning around(Muay Thai) that is the fundamental difference. Though the way they tested is absurd, I would say that generally Muay Thai is a bit stronger while Karate is a bit faster.

by Kefka on May 13, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

My bad

Sorry I’m not an amazing bloodyelbow contributer. Maybe I’ll post up sports science videos from last weeks MMA Live too.

Dicks.

by jgrantt18 on May 13, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

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