Mauricio "Shogun" Rua's Victory Enlarges Pool of Appealing Battles at Apex of Division
Following former PRIDE fighter Mauricio "Shogun" Rua's impressive knockout victory over Lyoto "The Dragon" Machida on Saturday night at UFC 113, much of the discussion within the MMA community has focused heavily on the outlook of the UFC's light heavyweight division. As expected, Dana White confirmed with Carmichael Dave on 1140 KHTK AM in Sacramento that Quinton "Rampage" Jackson vs. Rashad Evans at UFC 114 will determine the next challenger to the light heavyweight crown. The news sets up a potential rematch between Jackson and Rua under UFC rules with a focal point on their battle in the PRIDE Middleweight Grand Prix.
With the top of the division already set in stone for the next few months, how will the division pan out in the tier just below the champion's pedestal? Lyoto Machida sits without a clear cut opponent currently with Forrest Griffin being one of the only top-tier UFC light heavyweights without a fight due to an injury that pulled him out of his match-up with Antonio "Minotoro" Rogerio Nogueira. Assuming Griffin's injury will shelve him for quite some time and the desire of the UFC to set Machida up against a legitimate threat to the crown, who will more than likely battle the elusive "Dragon" in the future?
My bet still lies on Rogerio as the leading candidate for a shot at Machida. While I thought a win over Forrest Griffin would easily solidify him as the next in line to gain a contention match-up, it's hard to ignore the fact that he's the most skilled and proven fighter in the mix behind the four fighters waging war at the top of the mountain. With Machida awaiting his next endeavor and Rogerio battling at UFC 114 against Jason Brilz, it makes perfect sense to create this fight.
The only problem is that both men are managed by Ed Soares and teammates at Black House. In the past, Soares has stated that both fighters would battle each other if the UFC title was on the line, but would Rogerio and Machida be open to fight in a battle that would have major implications as to where each sits in the division? Rogerio would easily be in line for a title shot after a Rua vs. Evans/Jackson title match while Machida would more than likely secure one more fight against the loser to secure his own shot.
The rest of the division is rather insignificant right now. Luis Arthur Cane battles Cyril Diabate at UFC 114, but his knockout loss to Rogerio surely keeps him down the ladder for now. Both Chuck Liddell and Rich Franklin have stated they want to attain a shot at the title, and they'll begin their journey against each other at UFC 115. While Liddell and Franklin are fan favorites and two of the most recognizable stars, I highly doubt they'll be brought in immediately with an exciting finish. I think Liddell's legitimacy as a top flight light heavyweight has diminished considerably whereas Franklin has still been able to compete against the very best at age 35.
The fight to keep an eye on is Jon Jones vs. Vladimir Matyushenko at UFC on Versus II in August. Jones is obviously being groomed to be a future champion as he's slowly and steadily gaining better and better fights to test his skills. He absolutely destroyed the once-feared Brandon Vera and demolished Matt Hamill before being disqualified. At the young age of only 22, the UFC is in no rush, but he may find himself in the mix at the top on the outside looking in with a finish of the always-tough Matyushenko.
Randy Couture is always a possibility as well, although I think he's truly getting in over his head if he tries to make a splash into the upper echelon of the UFC light heavyweight division at this point in his career. Rua has stated he wants to fight him, but I think it's mostly because Rua knows he can devastate a UFC legend who fans are drawn to seeing. Ultimately, I think Rua is going to create his own drawing power without a battle with Couture.
The unpredictability on the future has once again led to some very interesting shake-ups in the division. Many fans, including myself, felt that Machida would be on top of the division for a very long time, but Rua has a real opportunity to solidify a legacy for himself at the top of the weight class. At only 28 years of age, he has the youth, experience, and ability to be a long standing champion. We've been down the same path before... the question is whether Rua can truly stand the test of time.
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I need to start listening to Carmichael Dave more often…………
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Anderson Silva against Shogun would be a great fight.
Silva would not fight Machida because they are friends. Unless he is also best friends with Shogun, Silva should fight him for the LHW title after he embarasses Sonnen. There is no one in the MW or LHW division who can beat Silva except possibly Jon Jones.
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Good one. You slay me.
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Too many people underestimate the impact of a long layoff on a fighter.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on May 11, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Just as many people underestimate the size advantage that Rampage has over Rashad.
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If Rampage is in shape, if he didn’t take Rashad as lightly as he did Forrest, and if he still gives a damn about fighting then Rampage is a solid pick to win it. But that’s too many ifs for my liking.
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by lowellthehammer on May 11, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Even more people overestimate the skill level of Rashad Evans.
Rampage by KO
by capt insano on May 11, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen, there is some real heat here for sure between these two. They really don’t care for each other. I just see Rampage being up for this fight and silencing all the doubters like he did with Wandy! Go Rampage!
by Brian Burdios on May 11, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm taking Rashad too.
Only way I see him losing is by getting clipped. He will grind Rampage back to Hollywood.
by HappyLittleTreez on May 11, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
did the same thing to thiago silva, who probably isn’t as strong as rampage, but has a similar style…plus leg kicks.
Look what rashad did to him
by Body Triangle on May 11, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage a better wrestler than Rashad? You’re kidding right?
Rampage is better at most aspects of MMA than Rashad. Just not wrestling.
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by cauliflower_ears on May 11, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage is a far better wrestler than Thiago Silva.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he put Evans on his back though a la Dan Henderson…
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Yeah, but I doubt he’d be given something so quickly. I think the UFC may wait to see how everything pans out. Rogerio seems to make the most sense if he defeats Brilz, but ya never know… they could get some crazy hankering to throw Couture in there down the road unless they decide Rua should get him.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Couture/Rua seems like a much more interesting fight to me than does Couture/Machida. Maybe it’s because I’m a big fan of Randy and I just so more avenues to victory for him against Rua than I do against Machida.
Rua vs. Couture seems more interesting to me as well, but the UFC does mysterious things when a drawing fighter is involved.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the UFC would be amenable to Rua/Couture...
Though it seems the winner of Jackson/Evans is getting first crack at the new champ. There’s probably some significant interest in Rampage/Shogun 2 if Jackson wins. Probably not so much if Evans gets the nod. But it seems like Rua’s interested in the fight. And it’s a fight that could still happen.
Machida
He won’t see a title shot for a long time IMO. Dana never liked him and doesn’t think he is marketable.
He’ll get Bones Jones before anybody else, because he always gets hard fights.
by Ave Imperator on May 11, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Couture vs Little Nog makes sense too... Since Couture vs Big Nog was a great fight.
Unless they breay up the fights that are already scheduled for Thiago Silva and Randy Couture I imagine we will see the following.
UFC 119 Rua vs Rampage (assuming a Rampage win)
Nogueira vs Liddell / Franklin winner
UFC 120 Machida vs Griffin
Rashad vs Liddell / Franklin loser or Luiz Cane (if Liddell loses)
Griffin and the Liddell / Franklin winner are interchangable.
Same
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by xFenixKnightx on May 11, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Little Nog
This re-match needs to happen. I would just can the Brillz fight and just book Shogun vs Nog two right now.
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You can’t book him lil Nog in a title fight coming off a win over Cane when you have two former champions fighting each other on the same card.
It doesn’t make sense.
Fair point
I guess, if he doesn’t lose that is, I’d like him to face Rua after the winner of Evans/Jackson.
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by Chris Barton on May 11, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Its good that everyone is slowing down the Rua hype train. The guys good no doubt Ill be the first to tell you that, but the LHW is a shark tank, and those sharks def have laser beams on their heads and they are all aimed at Shogun.
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by II SMASH II on May 11, 2010 12:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Personally, I think the division is a snorefest now.
Rashad – Didn’t look that great in his last fight, and got ko’d by Machida. How could Shogun not beat him?
Rampage – Shogun would run through him easy, especially since he’s been out of the game for months.
Forrest – Don’t care about him.
Rogerio – Would love to see him fight somebody who mattered or Shogun as soon as possible.
Couture – Not interested in seeing him fight anybody.
Wake me up when Jon Johns gets a title shot, or Machida gets another fight.
by Ave Imperator on May 11, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Well arent we a little Negative Nancy/ Debbie Downer… lol
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by xFenixKnightx on May 11, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You may not care about him
But Forrest vs Shogun two would be awesome. Imagine the vested interest both sides of the “Shogun was hurt” have in that rematch? People would be really into it.
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by Chris Barton on May 11, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
But if Shogun remains dedicated and focused it won’t be much of a fight. I wouldn’t mind seeing Forrest KO’d again though.
by Ave Imperator on May 11, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrest
could be a bad match up for Shogun. He has a good grinding style that can wear someone out. He has good enough BJJ to not get sub’ed and if he can get Shogun tired again he will win. People forget that Forrest was hurt for that fight too.
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by Chris Barton on May 11, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think..
The main story here is how long does Rua stay hungry before he gets sloppy again.
by Ave Imperator on May 11, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know about your thinking on Rampage. He always seems to look like a softie once out of training, and then he comes back in shape and with a vengeance. He surprises me constantly with how he can just get lazy and fat, and then suddenly come back ready for anything in the cage.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
Rampage has always been hit or miss. See: losing to leg kicks by Forrest Griffin.
Shogun has already beat him once, and has been growing/adapting to the UFC, while Rampage hasn’t learned anything new on the set of the A Team. We will see how good Rampage looks in two weeks, but my thoughts are he’s pretty much done as a real fighter in the UFC other than his name sake.
Mainly since he himself has said he doesn’t want to fight anymore, or that often. Also talking about doing a “few boxing matches a year.”
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by Ave Imperator on May 11, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true, although I felt the performance against Henderson was solid. In retrospect, maybe Henderson was neglecting his wrestling in those days as well, but still a legitimate win.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It's never been a question of talent.
Rampage is a great fighter, he’s just crazy. haha.
by Ave Imperator on May 11, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Potentially great fights include:
Shogun vs Rogerio / Anderson Silva / Thiago Silva or Rampage
(Griffin would be good too, but I don’t see him making to a title shot)
Couture vs Little Nog / Rashad / Machida
Rampage vs Rua / Thiago Silva / Anderson Silva
Machida vs Little Nog
Jon Jones vs Anybody
There are way more fun matchups (especially title fights) now IMO
Too bad Forrest got hurt. I wanted him to somehow beat Lil Nog and get a rematch with Shogun only to get pounded this time around. :)
Mauricio "Shogun" Rua: UFC LHW CHAMP! Justice is served, 2-0 against Machida!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Really?
You think Forrest “pillow hands” griffin would have a shot against Lil Nog?
by Ave Imperator on May 11, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I dont.
but like I said “somehow” lol
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by xFenixKnightx on May 11, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I saw Rogerio bombing Griffin in that fight.
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by Leland Roling on May 11, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh for sure.
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by xFenixKnightx on May 11, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see Rogerio/Machida happening...
Machida could probably fight either a returning Forrest Griffin depending on the length of his recovery, or the loser of Evans/Jackson.
I’m imagining Jones and Cane could meet in a fight if they get past their respective opponents.
Not sure where Couture and Liddell or Franklin could find themselves in the mix. I don’t think anyone’s eager for Chuck/Randy IV, if Randy beats Toney and Chuck beats Rich. Franklin/Couture would probably carry more interest. I think Rogerio vs. Couture would be doable though.
Shogun's win does blow open the top of the division
I think Shogun was the only person in the top of the division who had the style, aggression, and technique to beat Machida, whereas I see a number of people who have the style to give shogun a run for his money.
I can see Machida fighting whoever wins Lidell/Franklin next. Hard to judge after that since the number of options increases almost exponentially.
UFC in general has opened up
We’re now looking at intriguing title match-ups in just about every division. LHW — it’s impossible to know who will be champion next year. Nogueira looks invincible, Jones looks invincible, and Machida, Rashad, and Jakson are still threats, despite their losses. Then there’s all those never-knows — Griffin, Couture, Lidell, and Franklin. Really, it could be anyone.
We’re seeing the same thing at heavyweight. Even Big Country is looking legit these days; Lesnar/Carwin is a coin flip. Lightweight — again, who knows. It’s going to be a great year to be a fan.
LHW Interesting
About Forrest v Lil Nog: I think Forrest COULD’VE won if his plan was to grind Lil Nog and then go all out in the 3rd. But that’s in they fought. On a side note, usually when winning fights, Griffin usually finds a way to win them.
Rua needs to stay healthy and not get hurt. I think Evans wouldn’t beat him because Evans is to relaxed in the cage, and he gets lazy. Rampage is a big question mark because it’s more if he can stay out of the clinch, and check those leg kicks. Machida needs a couple wins and he’ll get another shot. Then you have Couture, who can pose a real problem with Rua because like Forrest can, Couture can grind fights and finish in the later rounds. My humble opinion is that Jones, Silva, or Couture gets the next crack at him.
I agree on all points except the one
I don’t think Forrest would have been able to grind Lil Nog. He’s way to slow and it wouldn’t be in his best interest to put LiL Nog on the ground. He’s way too superior in all aspects of the game. I concur on all other points though
People said the same thing when he fought Shogun and Rampage and he beat both their asses. The fact is that Forrest could have used the same gameplan that Shogun used to beat Lil’ Nog in Pride. I think that Forrest has learned after his idiotic gameplan against Silva that it’s better to win with a gameplan than lose and try to be exciting.
Consider this scenario...
I had posted this previously.
They set up little Nog for Shogun after Shogun fights the Rampage/Rashad winner. On the same night that Shogun fights little Nog, Anderson Silva fights Wandy (assuming Wandy beats Akiyama) in a co- main event.
They could market that card so well, with Soares talking about trying to get blackhouse to work together as a team more, and with the former Chute Box angle (especially if they could get Wandy and Shogun to train together for this). The Primetime show on Spike would be awesome. Both fights would be exciting, and it sets up a huge Shogun-Anderson Silva fight to follow (since which if things played out, Rua would be entering the Anderson Silva fight having taken out two blackhouse back to back).
Lil Nog vs Franklin / Forrest vs Chuck
Assuming little Nog beats Brilz and Franklin beats Liddell in these next two fights, what about the winners matching up?…
Lil Nog vs Franklin – casual fans will not believe that wins over Cane and Brilz warrant a title shot (and come to think of it they may not). A win over Franklin would make that a much easier sell for Nog.
Also, Forrest could finally fight Chuck, a battle that for as sloppy as it would likely be, is guaranteed to be entertaining. I could see this being a good send-off fight for Chuck. It may not do much for Forrest’s career at this point but theres nothing wrong with facing a legend (and most likely notching another win in a division where wins are getting very tough to come by)

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