Snapshot of the Day: UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin Poster
by Nick Thomas on May 10, 2010 10:01 PM EDT
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Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar returns to defend his heavyweight championship against interim title holder Shane Carwin at UFC 116, live from the MGM Grand Garden Arena on Saturday, July 3.
[UPDATE] - Shane Carwin talks about his training on the UG: 
"I have been pretty busy training and getting the new camp going for the Lesnar fight.
Life is good, our baby is healthy as is Mom. On June 4th it will mark a 12 month period for being in intense training camps. I went from getting ready for Cain, to Brock, then Mir and now Brock again. I hope I can take a break after winning the "real" belt in July.
I have been doing most of my training at Grudge Training Center in Denver. It is about a 59 mile drive each way from my house but it is the home of some of the best training partners in the World. My BJJ instructor is Amal Easton from Easton BJJ and he has been nothing short of amazing. His approach to teaching BJJ and breaking it down in useful scenarios has been great for the analytical Engineer in me.
I have added a few Strength and Conditioning videos on www.shane-carwin.com so you can see some of the work out. Unfortunately my agent is amazing in the boardroom and not so amazing behind a camera. Tilt your head and you will be able to view the videos:)
My wrestling Coach Leister Bowling has brought in guys like Willie Parker and Ron Watterman to emulate Brock's size and strengths. Even after all of these years of wrestling and coaching wrestling I still am learning new things every day.
All in all things are great. I will finally get to face off with Brock. This has been a guy that I have wanted to face off with ever since our wrestling days. I have a ton of respect for his size, power, athleticism and the fact that he has the "real" belt.
Thanks to my family, fans and sponsors for your support. July 3rd!!!!!"
Shane Carwin
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I can't wait
If Couture can push Brock against the cage and dirty box I don’t see why Carwin can’t.
I hope this is a highly competitive fight.
by olimario on May 10, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope Carwin KO's him inside of 2 minutes...
by truck on May 10, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
yes! yes! yes! yes! (I’m doing cartwheels right now)
WAR SHARWIN!!!
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by WeaponElDeem on May 11, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
He hung out there so he wouldn’t tire himself out early on. Randy didn’t do anything with that position, and wasn’t a threat to KO him. Lesnar won’t lackadaisically hang out in a clinch against the fence like Mir did, and Carwin won’t dominate the wrestling or strength department in this fight.
Lesnar won’t lackadaisically hang out in a clinch against the fence like Mir did
Maybe he won’t have a choice?
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"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on May 11, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Mir
was also able to push him up against the fence, and even made him see tweetee birds. In my honest opinion, i don’t thin Brock will have a strength advantage.
by Body Triangle on May 11, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
We assume he will have the exact same game plan against Carwin?? And that he has not improved at all in the past couple years?
I hope Carwin isn’t that dumb.
"I'm going to strip them of their health. I bring the pain, a lot of pain."" - Tyson
Its not like he was training for two years straight. He’s coming off of a major illness. Its not crazy to think that his learning curve has slowed.
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by Neil Manich on May 10, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Still my point stands; the guy isn’t going to come into the match the exact same as vs. Randy. It always bugs me how fans refer to matches years ago as if it will prove how they will do in their next match.
Plus, we still haven’t seen him fight since he got fixed up. Is he going to be less effective or have some ring rust? Or is he really going to be at 100% when we’ve only seen him at 60% in the past.
"I'm going to strip them of their health. I bring the pain, a lot of pain."" - Tyson
STATISTICS
can prove anything, i’m 90% sure
by Body Triangle on May 11, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Randy is a much better wrestler than carwin, but if Brock cant get shane on his back he’s in major trouble.
Look how huge HWs have become. Eventually a super HW division will have to be implemented to keep it fair for fighters like Fedor and Cain
…and then there’s Shaq
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by CasualMMAFan on May 10, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
but thats a huge range between 205 and 265. There really should be a 235 division and no cap after that so you can be 7 ft tall and 300 lbs hong man choi style
you must weigh at least 220 to fight HW. but that bring up another point of why have a gap. you did say “eventually” which i agree with. hopefully there will eventually be enough guys to fill up those 2 classes. but there arent right now
it is dumb. but there are only 2 or 3 men in the world right now who are good enough to be in the UFC who need to cut to make 265. new weightclasses doesnt make sense YET. but it eventually may.
Looking at these two guys. Fedor should be the undisputed Cruiser weight champ.. he wont have a chance against the smothering weight of these two true heavyweights.
but who the fuck else is there to fight these 2 if you make a 235 weight class? Roy Nelson? Todd Duffee? Nearly every other HW could cut to 235. and i do think Fedor, Cain, JDS could be competitive with these two.
remeber, i mainly agree with your concept, i’m just saying it doesn’t logistically work at this point in time
Agreed
I can see in the UFC at most 6 guys.
Lesnar
Carwin
Nelson
Rothwell
Gonzaga
Duffee
I guess you can make the argument for Mir because of what he has weighed lately but since he lost to both Lesnar and Carwin I believe he would cut.
Everyone else – JDS, Cain, Kongo,Big Nog, Mir, Schaub, Barry, Cro Cop are all gonna cut.
Do we really want to see a 6 man HW division? If later on there becomes more talented fighters at the 265 range then I’m all for splitting it but right now you make a new weight class anywhere from 235-245 and you’re looking at a 6 man HW divsion I think.
Speaking of Crocop it’s a real shame he doesn’t cut weight. I mean cmon!!!!!! Your only 220! What the hell. Maybe if he fought in his proper division he would have more confidence and actually look good. I think CroCop Grand Prix at 205 would be a monster don’t you think?
by MichaelJ1985 on May 10, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
crocop grand prix with shogun would be insane
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
But do you gain MORE people with the upper limit
Are there guys walking around at 290 who might have trained MMA but didn’t bother due to the 265 limit? It’s 20 pounds under the NCAA limit for heavyweights in wrestling. That’s a significant talent pool you’re alienating that might have the potential to be good at MMA.
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There are approximately zero or so guy in the NCAA heavyweight division
who walk around at 290 and don’t have enough fat to cut to 265 pretty easily.
guy should have phrased it “two heavy weights with talent”. Rogers is good but i believe a little rushed due to lack of depth in SF
Rogers is a fat HW. In shape and lean he could easily make 235. Carwin and Lesnar could never make 265. That’s a big difference regardless of Rogers eating too much.
by MichaelJ1985 on May 10, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
probably so you don’t end up with freak fights with guys that are just huge like whatever the strongest man in the world dude is; I can’t spell his name and don’t feel like looking it up. And Hong Man Choi type guys. Some sort of cap I think is a good idea.
"I'm going to strip them of their health. I bring the pain, a lot of pain."" - Tyson
Any fighter under 220 fighting at HW is just not logical nowadays. So the range is nowhere near what you are suggesting.
I haven’t seen a HW under 230 except for Randy.(oops werdum) The fighters who are really fucked are the AA and JDS type of fighters who are 240 and lean. They can never make 205 . Yet they do possess natural advantages over big guys. They are likely much quicker can certainly pack power and are more likely to be more explosive etc.
If you are 225 and below and your not cutting weight that’s your own damn fault. How can Spencer Fisher cut 20 lbs and still fight ( gassed of course but he’s 155! )
by MichaelJ1985 on May 10, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
HW fighters must weight at least 220 by rule. its not a random phenomenon. there is a 15 pound gap between LHW and HW. you must weigh-in above 219 to fight HW
I think your wrong on this stillberry. To be in the next division you only have to be one pound over the limit.
For example MW is from 171-185.
HW 206- 265
by MichaelJ1985 on May 10, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i know the concept. and i just looked it up and i do happen to be wrong. I could have sworn i read somewhere that HW’s must make at least 220. oh well. still, not that relevant
Maybe that 220 should be the realistic limit. I mean if your fighting at 215 as a HW your just a crazy bastard.
by MichaelJ1985 on May 10, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
premature. it’s really only these 2 and Todd Duffee at this point
Duffee is only 250. He doesn’t cut weight …. yet. Dude is still growing.
You sure he’s still growing?
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Dude is still in his early twenties. I have no doubt that he will get a little thicker as the years go by.
Its not a given though.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
That dude is unnaturally
shredded for his height/weight…
Kinda like Lesnar in his WWE days…
by Roll NControl on May 10, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
he may not add much more muscle. but it’s fuckin hard to stay that ripped for a guy that big. he’ll probably soften up around the edges a bit (not losing muscle, just adding bulk)
He actually just tweeted the other day that he weighs 263. I’d link to it but I’m mobile.
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by ANance on May 10, 2010 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it looks like.....
their nipples are touching….
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i wish he was, because that would mean they actually put in half an effort to get these guys together for a poster pic. unfortunately, its just cut and paste bullcrap
you dont have to interrupt training schedules. the dudes aren’t in full-bore training until the fight gets signed. so you get the fight signed, stage a photo-op, and then send them on their way to go train. you telling me they can’t get 2 headliners together in Las Vegas for 1 day without destroying training regimens?
even if they can’t, for pete’s sake do something other than just plop 2 pictures next to eachother. add some sort of design elements or something
Brock has a bit over an inch of height on carwin.
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by Ave Imperator on May 10, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
no, I am referring to their actual heights…Brock has an inch plus on him. Carwin has said he is 6-2 on a good day; Brock is a bit over 6-3
"I'm going to strip them of their health. I bring the pain, a lot of pain."" - Tyson
by JeremyShane on May 10, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Where are those stats from? UFC made those measurements, college or fan made?
by dancingChicken on May 11, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Was just gunna bring that up. Thank god they tricked everyone into thinking that Carwin is anywhere near as big as Lesnar. I mean they are probably trying to hype the whole battle of the monsters battle. Lesnar absoltuley DWARFSSSS Carwin. He is not comparable in size at all at least to the degree that the UFC tries to market the fight as such.
by MichaelJ1985 on May 10, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar fights at 285, Carwin was 275 in his last fight. They both start their training camps around 300 lbs.They have different body types and Lesnar is inch or two taller, big deal. People are acting like there’s 50 lbs difference between them and UFC tries to hide it.
by dancingChicken on May 10, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm Maybe I overexaggerated a little bit? Maybe to help counter that they are equals?
I dunno man Brock is much bigger than Carwin. I mean people complain that Alves was bigger than GSP it’s a bigger difference than that I would say.
Why did Carwin weigh in at 259 for the Gonzaga fight? I dunno Carwin is 6’2 and just not massive like Brock.
by MichaelJ1985 on May 10, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard for big guys to hit weight exactly when they are cutting. You very rarely see a HW weigh in at the limit. They almost always come in a few pounds under. Even Lesnar usually has a couple of pounds to spare.
Chances are Carwin just screwed up his cut.
Lesnar has weighed in at 265 exactly in every career fight
From Min-Soo Kim to Mir 2. Never missed by a pound.
Usually when you are cutting water, and you hit the weight limit, you stop. There’s no reason to continue dehydrating yourself. Brock comes in at 265.
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by Neil Manich on May 10, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks can be deceiving. Kongo (230-239lbs) looked bigger than Mir (265). Dude has giant chest and shoulders, that’s why.
Lesnar has big upper body and chicken legs, Carwin has giant ass and legs and compact upper body.
10 lbs and 1 inch is not that much.
As for Alves/GSP, there was less than 10 lbs weight difference between them (according to the numbers they gave on the press conference – GSP said that he’ll be 185 – 188, Alves – 188 – 195.).
by dancingChicken on May 11, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar doesn’t have chicken legs at all. He may not have monstrous calves, but his legs are anything but small.
I know, it was more of a exaggeration to show difference in their built.
by dancingChicken on May 11, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
O_O
Why did Carwin weigh in at 259 for the Gonzaga fight?
He said that when he got to the UFC he dropped the weighs and focused more on conditioning. Apparently he decided gain some weight for Lesnar. And he was a impressing looking dude before the UFC:
by dancingChicken on May 11, 2010 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwin looks like he's parked in a van down by the river
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They really outdid thereselves on this one.
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
Is this technically
the biggest heavyweight battle in history? I know they’re both huge dudes, but has an MMA promotion ever put together two larger fighters in the same ring/cage?
I think this would be the biggest matchup not including fat bastards. Or overly tall slow guys. This is the biggest two althetic guys every made to fight I would think.
by MichaelJ1985 on May 10, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Rogers vs Overeem
Will probably be just as big, eh?
by Johnnynumber5 on May 11, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
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by MSEMCEE on May 10, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh good...
Brock can actually drink a Coors Light this time AND get paid for it
The rest... is virtually identical
by randy maverick on May 10, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You would think that some of those fights in Japan would of had bigger guys.
Ubereem is here to kill the Finkelstein monster!
Carwin just has no time for this photo op bullshit, he has ISO 9000 documentation to approve.
They probably photoshopped it a bit to make Carwin look crazier.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on May 10, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lesnar’s getting KTFO and his hype train is coming to a complete stop. :-)
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by xFenixKnightx on May 10, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Add in miragliotta or mccarthy
and thats close to 850 lbs of beef.
Miragliotta vs. McCarthy
for the see which of the biggest heavyweight ref’s in history can call the “Biggest Heavyweight Battle in history”
Dan and John both have great ring prescense. They seem to have no trouble enforcing the law and don’t seem afraid of anyone which is a good thing. They are going to need Dan for this one for sure .
by MichaelJ1985 on May 10, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That does it! Im convinced somebody taught Dana how to cut and paste and now hes doing these things himself. After hes done, he emails everyone at zuffa asking what they think and everyone is scared shitless to tell him its lame.
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OH man - TRUE
Good one. Joe Silva’s prolly doing it though. Then it gets passed around and everyone secretly hopes it goes out to a design shop but it never seems to happen.
If Carwin is holding a UFC title belt
And Brock thinks it’s a make-believe belt, does the belt really exist?
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Carwin's gonna fall, alright....
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into a big pile of money, with many beautiful ladies
after he KOs brock in 2mins
by Body Triangle on May 11, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
aren't they referring partially to size?
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
BROCK/FEDOR NOW!!!!
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To hell with Brock vs Fedor. Everyone will shut up about that once Carwin smashes him.
by moonlapse88 on May 11, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Other than the penis tattoo,he hasn’t changed much over the years.
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by Brian Mayes on May 10, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hustle n flow
i think brock will win this 1 but iwouldnt be surprised if carwin wins botha big beasts
BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!
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UFC 116.
Lesnar loses his front teeth and most of his bandwagon.
by Ave Imperator on May 10, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
sorry to be a spelling nazi
but its TROOF.
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no, it is Truf.
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by Earl Montclair on May 11, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Going to be hard for Carwin to KO Brock when he’s on his back. There’s a big difference between NCAA I and NCAA II wrestling and this fight will show that when Brock takes Shane down and goes donkey kong on his head.
That’s the only shot he will have at a win because Shane will level him inside a minute on their feet. Brock won’t KO Shane, but I can definitely see Shane KO Brock. GnP in Brocks only road to victory in this one I think.
People forget that he was seeing stars against Mir standing and look what Carwin did to Mir.
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I think Brock knows that and won’t fool around with Shane on the feet other then setting up the takedown. Carwin was able to work back to his feet against Gonzaga but Lesnar is an entire different animal, it will be interesting to see what he can do off of his back if/when Lesnar gets him there.
Wasn’t Randy able to get back to his feet?
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by WeaponElDeem on May 11, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don’t think there is that big of a difference, but I agree that this fight will show it.
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by Neil Manich on May 10, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
To me people are vastly underating Lesnar’s power standing the guy has hams for fists don’t be surprised if he sends Carwin flying early like he did Herring in their fight.
My bet is that he throws a couple right off the bat but then he shoots right afterwards to avoid any chance that Carwin has to connect, because we don’t really know what kind of power Brock has, but Carwin’s power is pretty much a closed book at this point. If Carwin connects, you’re in for a world of hurt. If Brock connects, it’ll probably hurt, but we’re not totally sure if it’s a game changer at this point. At least I’m not.
He turned Herring into a tumble-weed and broke his orbital bone, knocked out Couture, and finished Mir on the ground with his lunchboxes.
Why are people so unsure of his power? He lands on Carwin its gonna drop his ass too. Gonzoga dazed him with half the punch Brock has.
Its gonna come down to who lands flush first. Or if Carwins wrestling is good enough to keep it on the feet.
Yeah, Lesnar has power no doubt, but it doesn’t have the exclamation marks that Carwin’s has. Don’t worry, no one’s calling Lesnar a lightweight in the power dept, it just hasn’t terrorized people like Carwin’s.
Carwin rendered Gonzaga unconscious with one punch off his back leg. Lesnar was bludgeoning Mir’s face, but Mir popped right back up afterwards. Surely he was hurt and it was a good stoppage and it was brutal, but Mir was walking around completely alert afterwards. When Carwin was done with Mir, Mir was laying on the ground reviewing all his past lives. When Lesnar knocked out Couture, it was typical of a guy who was really strong but hasn’t honed his technique to harness all the power of his body. Carwin just seems to be a natural in that department.
I remember Mir laying there for a while after the fight was Lesnar was stopped.
Maybe it was just me.
Watch it again. Lesnar just started walking away and Mir scrambled straight to his feet with blood all over his face. He didn’t even pause a minute on his way up. Then he looked straight at Lesnar. Surely he was battered, but his senses were clearly intact. Way different than Carwin’s ending, where Mir layed there saying “momma” over and over.
I would attribute that to the difference in reffing
not the difference in power. Lesnar’s flurry was only a few seconds before the ref stepped in. Carwin was beating on Mir’s face forever before it was finally stopped. If Lesnar had been pounding Mir’s head for as long as Carwin had, I’m sure it would have been the same reaction from Mir.
Well then we’d have to go back and count how many unanswered blows to Mir’s head were taken before the ref stepped in and stopped it. By memory I’d say it was pretty similar, but the comparison is getting ridiculous. Both guys had several blows to Mir’s giant head and Carwin clearly had the greater impact, regardless of reffing or how many blows they were or whatever.
But trying to quantify it with styles of reffing gets it into the realm of the absurd to me.
Letting a guy who's basically out take several more shots having an effect on his recovery time is absurd?
Really? That’s the crux of your argument? You’re the one who’s telling people to “Watch again.” Take your own advice, and go view the difference between a good stoppage and a clearly late one. Late stoppages will always have an effect on recovery time. Couture/Lesnar, for instance, was a very slow stoppage, and Randy was down for quite a bit. If it had been stopped sooner, Randy would have gotten up sooner. It’s a pretty quantifiable, if somewhat subjective, effect.
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by Body Triangle on May 11, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also think that their wrestling is going to be, for the most part, equal. Don’t get caught up in division I and II stuff. It means only a little when you’ve been in MMA for a while.
i mean…what? what does that mean?
Are you saying: because he is a D1 wrestler, he is better? (incorrect logic)
or
he is a superior wrestler, therefore he did D1? (incorrect logic)
or
BROCKLESNAAARRRR!! (correct logic)
by Body Triangle on May 11, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m saying that Brock is better because he is more skilled, more accomplished, and has trained with better wrestlers both in NCAA and currently. You can throw out the Divisions from the discussion, and just look at the wrestling skill of each, and Lesnar gets the clear nod in that category.
by Hardcharger on May 11, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
And you know this how? Have you trained with the partners of both and compared the two? I agree that Lesnar has demonstrated great wrestling, as would be expected, but Carwin hasn’t for the most part because his opponents have gone to sleep quicker (partly because of fighting lower tier guys of course), but we really don’t have much to go on to quantify it like that, unless of course you’ve actually trained with both and all their training partners.
But sometimes the smell of your own fart is so nice it’s just fun to sit and enjoy it for a while.
well
Lesner is paying $100,000 to fly in training partners. Cole Conrad (Div 1 NCAA Champ and up and coming mixed martial artist) and John Madson are just two. I don’t think Carwin is paying $100,000 for training partners. I haven’t trained with them, but I did read about them…Which is something you should try doing befor spouting off
I’m not sure what you mean by “spouting off”. The bottom line is, we really don’t know how much, if any, Brock is better than Carwin until they fight, or until we have a side by side comparison with them fighting the same fighter. To use dollars spent on training partners, or even the quality of the training partners, says very little about how good they are as wrestlers, compared to actually fighting each other. But that’s just me. I’m fine with you having your opinion etc.
Based on what I’ve seen from other fighters, divisions doesn’t seem to be a really accurate barometer of how good mma wrestling is. If you disagree that’s fine.
ps. Just read my rude comment at the end about the fart. Sorry that was probably uncalled for.
Brock via massive ground and pound KO. The Carwin love around here is borderline silly.
Brock is a fool if he keeps this standing and I am sure he wont for long. The positional dominance he showed in the 2nd Mir fight will be nothing compared to how he will tool Shane on the ground. Especially since he won’t be nearly as threatened by subs from the bottom like when he fought Frank.
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by Earl Montclair on May 11, 2010 12:44 AM EDT reply actions
Furthermore, can we drop the “we need to split up the heavyweight division” and “We don’t know what kind of power Brock has” conversations? Both are incredibly stupid.
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by Earl Montclair on May 11, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
How about the fact that Brock hasn’t competed in a year and is coming off of major surgery which we don’t know what effect it will have on him. I really don’t get a sense of Carwin love around here, nothing like a guy like Chael Sonnen gets lately, it’s just that Carwin is a massive HW with serious power, the kind of unmeasured power that guys like him and Brock just have built in. Carwin’s also not too shaby of a wrestler and I’m sure he’ll be preparing that aspect like crazy.
For all we know Borck could take one serious shot to the stomach, spin around and vomit, then pass out in a pile of his own stomach contents…or at least go poopy in his shorts.
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I think if you want to see copious amounts of Carwin love you should just read these comments on this here post.
It is either Carwin lovers or its Brock haters but damn near every comment on this thing is someone dousing their drawers over Carwin beating Lesnar.
Don’t muck up your keyboards just yet Shane fans. I want to be able to see what you have to say in July after Shane gets mounted against the fence and lunchboxed to sleep.
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by Earl Montclair on May 11, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Earl Montclair on May 11, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Carwin should be puting a lot of focus on his BJJ. We have seen what happens when Brock puts his weight on the hips.
by The Omaplatapus on May 11, 2010 5:49 AM EDT reply actions
To all talking about the size difference
Yes, Brock is taller and a little bigger up top. But the picture of Brock in the cage with Shane doesn’t mean shit. For example, everyone remembers the black-on-black crime faceoff between Page and Rashad….Rashad was in a suit, dress shoes; Rampage was barefoot with sponsor shirt etc….Rashad looked taller and thicker. But during TUF, everytime they would face off talking shit, Page dwarfed him. Think about it, guys.
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by slapjaw ackrite on May 11, 2010 6:36 AM EDT reply actions
I'm thinking Carwin ...
will win this fight by knockout. He hasn’t given me a reason to doubt him yet. Under normal circumstances I’d probably pick Lesnar but considering he is coming back from a major surgery and won’t have fought in a year come fight night, he has a lot going against him in this fight. Carwin wins on the feet in my opinion.
How is Brock's Health?
Has he been able to train properly? To me that’s the only real issue. He might have serious ring rust and not have had adequate training and conditioning due to his health problem. Barring that, I think he stomps Carwin.
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