Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Sugar Shane Mosley Live Discussion
by Nick Thomas on May 1, 2010 9:22 PM EDT
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Floyd " Money " Mayweather -365 vs. Shane " Sugar " Mosley +285
Floyd Mayweather Jr. by Decision -150
Floyd Mayweather Jr. by KO, TKO or DQ +400
Shane Mosley by KO, TKO or DQ +550
Shane Mosley by Decision +525
Draw +2500
Floyd Mayweather Jr wins by unanimous decision:
| Round | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | Total |
| Floyd Mayweather | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 118 |
| Shane Mosley | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 110 |
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lol, I thought this fight was months away.
by pickleofguatemala on May 1, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
free undercard fights? Taking a play out of the UFC book.
As much crap as Floyd talks about MMA, Golden Boy has been advertising on MMA websites and running commercials during MMA shows.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 1, 2010 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
Free undercard fights isn’t new at all, it’s pretty standard. Last night was different in one main respect though: the undercard fights weren’t shit. They are often fairly worthless.
by bigstupidsmile on May 2, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they were pretty worthless.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 2, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know when the Mayweather vs Mosley fight starts? 8pm perhaps?
Also I find it strange that most boxing cards don’t go out of their way to promote any other fighter on the card other than the main event, I don’t even know the name of any fighters on this card other than Mosley or Mayweather.
Perhaps that is my fault, but even the random UFC commercials on TV usually discuss atleast two match ups, except in the Rampage vs Rawshawwwd fight they seem to focus more on them, maybe an ailment due to primetime style shows?
mma fights should have odds on wins by stoppage or decision
kinda cool that boxing fights do and ive never seen odds given for that in mma before
I never personally have placed bets, but I know I saw a website that you could bet on situations in MMA fights. I remember it because it was for a fight like Maia vs. Silva and I was laughing at the line for a Maia KO.
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
I would have bought it...
if UFC 113 and 114 weren’t both this month.
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Hey Nick? With all due respect.
Please keep boxing posts off an MMA site.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
by whardiek on May 1, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I hate to even continue this conversation.
Mayweather is one of the biggest reasons I will not watch boxing again. He plays the heel very well, too well, since I will never pay to watch him box. I would pay top dollar to watch him be completly humbled in the Octagon.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
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by Earl Montclair on May 1, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
No
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by Damon O. on May 1, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Such a simple joke, yet I cannot stop laughing….
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
That is correct!
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by Earl Montclair on May 1, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
not mad. I understand he is a great boxer and better salesman.
I refuse to support him based on the way he always bad mouths MMA.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
you should start your boycott by not viewing live discussions about his fight :) !
Note : not trying to be a a-hole :)
no offense taken.
I wont watch the fight, but, cant seem to control my presence on this topic. It’s like a train wreck, can’t keep my eyes off it. lol
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
I really don’t think he’s that good of a salesman. His bit is brutally stale. There’s a point where a guy can cross-over. Floyd’s had those type of opportunities – NPR, Fox News, CNN, and he acts the same there as he does on ESPN.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
He's not as good as Pacquiao but he's a much bigger PPV draw
He is a good salesman.
Not afraid to nitpick
Well not as good is totally stretching it as I'd take May beating Pacquiao
But Pac is the ranked #1 P4P but isn’t the top draw.
Not afraid to nitpick
Well, as much as people hate him...
you gotta admit that man can sell a fight.
by HappyLittleTreez on May 1, 2010 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
How’d that turn out for ya?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 2, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So if it goes to a draw, you would win 2500 dollars for 100 bet, correct?
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
in the next hr
"I'm Nobody's FanBoy" - higgledy-piggledy
by higgledy-piggledy on May 1, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
undercard’s on now. Main event will start in approximately 1.5-2 hrs I’d say. a good site for boxing is:
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
1.5-2 hours? Seriously? Gah. Looks like I’ll be killing time with the Cavs-Celts…
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
well – Shane just walked into the arena. Lets say 1.5 hours so I don’t fuck you over. 10pm central standard.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Cool thanks.
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
yea for sure, but he has many years to grow, he is not even 20 yet! He is one of the few up and coming fighters out of mexico im excited about
I’m psyched because I’m construing him as one of the San Patricio descendants. An Irish Mexican.
…and I’ve got no evidence to support that, I just like the idea, and shit he looks the part.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Lampley and Goldberg are kindred spirits.
“…punches with extreme accurate precision” is the new “his precision is so precise”.
I specializes in grammar fail.
to be fair, precision and accuracy are a little different we arent quite at goldberg levels yet
by phantasma475 on May 1, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Lampley is in no way close to Goldberg's level of anything.
"With great power comes great responsibility" -Spiderman's Uncle
Still Hilarious
but still I wouldn’t put him on Goldberg status for that, btw youtube is starting to look weirder by the day.
"With great power comes great responsibility" -Spiderman's Uncle
at least Lampley has some interest in the sport he’s covering. To Goldberg it’s just a paycheck, it’s disgusting how ignorant he’s chosen to be.
The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
i stick with skysports for boxing. less merchant is a good thing. Lampley and Steward are cool though.
But for some reason I think british commentators are better at everything. its probably just the accests lol . Darke and watt do a good job though
I enjoy Larry Merchant’s commentary.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on May 1, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a bit out there sometimes...
but he doesn’t edit his comments. He says what’s on his mind. Steward does a fine job as well. Lampley drives me nuts though.
The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
Nothing better than getting a FREE HQ feed. F U Floyd.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 1, 2010 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
This will be my first Mayweather fight watching live…hope to be as pleased as I was with Manny’s last fight.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
if you enjoyed Pac v. Clottey, you are cultured. I was there and I was furious with Clottey just trying to survive.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Clottey showed what is wrong with boxing today. Too many guys just want to survive and collect their paychecks, instead of trying to win the fight.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
I’ve got strange tastes dude. I like Jon Fitch because he just controls people. It’s not thrilling to my senses, but I can enjoy seeing a fighter just bend someone to his will, even though they KNOW what he’s bringing to the table.
The number of punches Pac was throwing was blowing me away throughout the fight. My first live boxing match since I was little was Pacman vs. Hatton. Now THAT was just amazing. :)
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
There is actually a fighter from Florida who has been knocking people out with that
His name is Josh Samman
by reallybloodyelbow on May 2, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
That was a silly rule. Never knew you couldn’t do something like that. But yeah, that was awesome.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
WAR MOSLEY
please knock may the fuck out
by Polyhedron on May 1, 2010 11:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My feed doesn’t have Lampley announcing. It’s some English guy.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Same. I’m cheap, I hardly shell out cash for MMA PPV’s, I’ll be dead before I pay for any boxing match besides Mayweather-Pacquiao
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Merchant is awesome.
Stream of consciousness FTW.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on May 1, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW this was the best undercard I’ve ever seen on a boxing PPV.
by Polyhedron on May 1, 2010 11:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jesus kid.
I feel sorry for you.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 2, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Brown...
rather appropriate at a Mayweather fight…
The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
Why's that?
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 2, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah really, the man can hardly get played on the radio, how the hell does he get to sing the anthem at a big boxing PPV?
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Chris Brown gets to drunk at a club, starts a fight, and someone messes him up in a club. haha.
by snakecharmer1340 on May 1, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Bown, how appropriate
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Since my HD Fios has no audio
What album will synch up perfectly with this fight?
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I decided on Montel Jordan
This is how we do it
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by Matthew Roth on May 1, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to admit
That I saw him open for Boyz II Men when I was 8. It was awesome.
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by Matthew Roth on May 1, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like the way Michael announces the latin american names, you can see he does his home work.
And then you have Jimmy Lennon Jr mangling the shit out of Aoki and Zaromskis
by Polyhedron on May 2, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shane Mosley coming out “Till I Collapse” Let’s see if he fights like it.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
got to. Can’t box – must seek and destroy. Shane Mosley must be an attack dog to have a chance at winning this fight.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
If Mosley came out and fought like a man with nothing to lose and everything to gain, I’ll regain some of the faith I’ve lost in boxing.
Thats one thing I’ve never understood. So many fighters get a chance against someone who’s viewed so much higher than them. We saw it with Maia and Silva, and unlike many fighters, Maia (eventually) started just going for broke. Always seemed to me like you actually gain so much more from going down swinging, rather than surviving. Of course, I’m not the guy getting punched in the face. But hell, when Maia threw all he had at Silva, I thought he’d end up getting countered and dropped…but nothing of the sort happened.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
good point. too bad it was too little too late for that. He spent 4.5 rounds eating punches and watching AS doing his dance.
still, you never know what would happened if Maia had given more openings to Anderson. Most likely he would have gotten KTFO.
Yeah, I would HIGHLY advise no one try to go balls to the wall in the first 3 rounds. Silva might not be my favorite fighter right now, but the world has seen what he’ll do to a man if he plays his game. I sincerely think Silva had blown his load throwing a fit and prancing around the ring, and he was worried about himself. As silly as that sounds, it seems rather apparent towards the end.
Surprising that Maia is the one we owe for the most excitement in that fight. lol
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you. – that’s how I felt about Clottey v. Pac. Clottey lost millions by fighting the way he did. Nobody wants to see him “fight” again after that shit.
And I’ll appreciate what Maia tried to do for a long time….it was a fight, so he tried to fight, even if the other guy didn’t want to.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Stumble my ass, Mosley got jawed there. lol
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
Money with the phantom punch.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Well, after the reply, I was wrong as hell. lol He looked bothered though. I dunno.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
replay***
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If Mosley doesn’t fade, we’ve got a fucking fight on our hands.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
I think if they play it off as accidental, after throwing a punch, they don’t, but you will get called on it if you’re just grabbing at them constantly, instead of going in punching.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Business has picked up.-Jim Ross
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
"Shane, at 38, can still get off."
lmao @ that.
"Well, yes, but I’m afraid I prematurely shot my wad on what was supposed to be a dry run, if you will, so now I’m afraid I have something of a mess on my hands." - Tobias Fünke
"There are just so many poorly chosen words in that sentence." - Michael Bluth
One of my favorite lines from the best TV show ever.
Mayweather has finally woken up.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Exactly what I was gonna say.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
1) What happened?
2) What the new profile pic about?
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 1, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He got him a womanz
me thinkz
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1. Floyd finally woke up and decided to throw punches
2. It’s my ex-girlfriend
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by Matthew Roth on May 1, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
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by Matthew Roth on May 1, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Regarding number 2, is there a story behind why she’s your pic now? Because your last pic was epic.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Decided with the drama my fanpost caused
That it’s better to have a sexy puerto rican/dominican girl as my avatar
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by Matthew Roth on May 1, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s almost always better to have a sexy puerto rican/dominican girl as your avatar, regardless of situation. And don’t blame yourself for all that, it was inevitable.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Mosley’s face already swollen?
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
It always looks that way.
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by a tommy point on May 1, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So, let me guess, Mosley looked live for a round and a half and Floyd woke up and went to work?
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
Predictable. Mosley gave him a hell of a wake up call in round 2 though.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Floyd looked a little weak in the knees after that barrage. I think Shane blew his load early though, to put it bluntly.
Well, it sucks, but at least Shane blew his load rather than not accomplish anything.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 2, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh. I am sitting in a sports bar watching this. I don’t know how I would feel if it was costing me more than just drinks. This ref is driving me nuts.
Really undermining Mosley’s game hmm?
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if James Toney will try using the shoulder roll in MMA, it might be a first, but I can’t see it working at all.
Not a whole lot Toney can bring with him that’ll work besides the KTFO punch and a good jab.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And all that death fighter training…
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 1, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see the look on Toneys face when he fails to check a leg kick and tries to shoulder roll his way out of head kick attempts, but if he is fighting Couture then chances are there wont be any kicks at all.
That match up bothers the shit out of me. I know it’s the “middle ground” match up…but…I dunno.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 2, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
And he doesn't even have either one of those, really
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Watching Mayweather makes me realize how limited this sport is. No pro boxer will be able to compete with a high level MMA fighter. Pro boxing is the DH to MMAs 5 tool player.
The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
I think the future of MMA will be similar once more GSP/Brockesque wrestlers begin to dominate their respective division.
Whereas early MMA was using ground game defensively and employing striking offensively, I think it will be reversed in the future and neutralizing the striking game to minimize risk and taking the fight to the ground and working enough to keep the fight there as well as doing damage.
I will say, I think ALOT of people would at that point. Kongo, Barry, possibly Cro Cop. If he threw that lazy ass leg kick against any other fighter, I’d hope they do exactly what Ray did, blast that counter.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 2, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
First sentence is butchered, I’m obviously talking about KO’ing tim. lol
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 2, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
cmon man let’s not even go with that weak sauce. Kimbo Slice(!) CHOKED out Ray Mercer. Think about that. Tim Sylvia and his godawful striking came in horrid shape and decided to box with a Mercer. It means nothing.
The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
of course he did. but to say a boxer couldnt compete with an mma fighter is absurd. all fights start on the the feet, and everyone can get KTFO with 4 oz gloves
I always thought they should flip a coin like football game where they decide to kick or receive.
Ground or stand up should be a choice at start and if the striking is boring they should restart the fights on the ground, just like when ground game is boring they restart on the feet.
But I am probably in the minority here.
I’ve got lots of respect for boxers when boxing. The different strategies involved and skill it takes to pull it off correctly is intriguing…but, when it comes to MMA, you’re just a refined striker, in a discipline that shoots itself in the foot when it comes to wrestling.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on May 2, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Mosley has no answer for Mayweather’s speed.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Mosley keeps shooting for singles
And Mayweather keeps utilizing the thai clinch
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Glad I didn’t pay money for this fight.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
He also wouldnt be getting paid 30 million per fight
by DirtyML on May 2, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yawn
well another tap dance from floyd tap n dance tap tap n dance. Mosley almost ktfo floyd in round 2 then he gassed and is hitting more air that a takemydough class. I love Mosley and hate that this is going on. 5 secs of fighting break five more break, throw the uppercut go for broke mosley don’t get picked apart for 10 or 12 round go big or go home
taking a drink every time i hear the word braggadocho because i have no idea what it means perhaps a synonym for pompous?
"braggadocio"
1) A boaster
2) An empty boast
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/braggadocio
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by Scott C. Broussard on May 2, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
This fight is so awful that I’d rather watch “Meet the Fockers” on ABC.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
by 49er16 on May 2, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
damn.
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by Earl Montclair on May 2, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Mayweather - Bigshow II is on the horizon
by espino on May 2, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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by Damon O. on May 2, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’d rather watch Anderson clown Maia for another 5 rounds then watch this again. From Floyd taking forever to actually get down to the ring…The OJays? Really? To the crowd being completely dead for the fight except for the 2nd round and a few sparse moments later in the fight. I just don’t understand it.
Some domination. Boring fight but one hell of an ass kicking.
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No he really doesn't
at least not in this fight, I mean he was the one being aggressive for this fight and even the announcers where pointing this out. Seems like people are bashing Floyd for not being able to knock out a tough a opponent or not running in their with his hands down like a wild man. I thought it was alright, but it doesn’t seem like anybodys willing to give him a break just because. Floyd was landing some pretty big shots throughout and instead of folding when Mosley hit him and stunned him in the second he stepped his game up and he ended up dominating the rest of the fight.
"With great power comes great responsibility" -Spiderman's Uncle
Learned two things tonight
1. If Pac-man and Mayweather fought I see Pacman winning Mayweather showed he can be susceptible to a well timed punch and Pac-Man is way quicker than Mosely.
2. Pac-man and Mayweather won’t be fighting as confirmed by Mayweather’s post fight comments.
Mayweather is one hell of a boxer but would it pain him to be any less of a self centered egomaniac.
Mayweather is one hell of a boxer but would it pain him to be any less of a self centered egomaniac.
this is one of the main reasons why a lot of people tune in to see him.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed in full...........
Ok so I know it’s not exactly the same but he’s sort of boxing’s Tito Ortiz (in his prime) Love him or hate him you always tuned in because you knew he was talented but wanted to see him get beat…………OR love his cocky attitude and wanted to see him win. The bar I was at was predominantly white (surprisingly enough) and it was about a 50/50 split but amongst the African American fans it seemed that it was about a 75% Mosely fanbase….I’m curious as to what the split would be with Pacquiao v Mayweather, from a pure psychological standpoint as the same fanbase was about 100% Mayweather in his fight against Marquez.
Again just to point out
I’m pretty new to being a boxing fan and I hate the guy but in my fairly uninformed opinion I think right now I’d say Mayweather is #1 P4P. I’m just interested in the psychological aspect of the fan support.
P4P if strictly boxing skills sure.
in achievements and accomplishments, it’s Manny definitely.
and I bet most American fans would side with Pac IF they do fight.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't argue it
from any substantial point but Floyd just put a working on Mosely and Marquez, where Manny worked Hatton and Cotto……..Is there any other P4P that is so close?
Marquez is two weightclasses below him.
I don’t consider that comparable to Manny beating guys two weightclasses higher than his usual weight….
if purely boxing skill though, I say that’s definitely all Floyd.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2010 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I would disagree with your first statement
Pacquiao’s game plays right into Floyd’s. He’s overly aggressive and has poor defense. Yes he’s fast, but he’d just end up being shoulder rolled into a combo like everyone else. That’s how I’d see it playing out.
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by Matthew Roth on May 2, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I shall disagree, sir.
And simply say, speed kills.
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Floyd will match speed
and raise you In Ring IQ
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by Matthew Roth on May 2, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I see your ring IQ
and raise you the support of the entire Filipino nation. Hi Anton 
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I see your support of the entire Filipino nation
And raise you $60 million dollars.
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by Matthew Roth on May 2, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
money won't buy him support.
It may make his daddy stay though.
OH! SHIT! I keed I keed…
It’s a bad joke. I know. Sorry *warns self for semi (father-of-)fighter bashing *
;)
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm Canadian.
oh wait. not anymore! Muahahaha!
PS
red, overly aggressive and poor defense? I think you are talking about the Manny Pacquiao of 5 years ago.
PPS
if Manny lands like Mosley did on the second, I guarantee he won’t just hug Floyd and stop attacking, and he will finish it…. IF he lands though…. either way, It would be fun to watch. IF it happens…
PPPS
wait… too many IFs… I don’t want to get my hopes up again. This felt like the Brock-Fedor blue balls all over again.
PPPPS
red, don’t start with the Manny is ducking Floyd crap, cause Manny agreed to a compromise, random urine tests, 2 blood tests before the fight, and 1 immediately after. It’s your boy who didn’t want to budge of having it specifically done 2 days before the fight.
PPPPPS
I like post scripts.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
All you guys on here that just love to clammor on about how a boxer wouldn’t last a second with an mma guy are just stating the obvious. If you put an mma guy (has multiple tools in his arsenal) up against a guy that just trains boxing then obviously the mma guy has the better chance. If you want to be so bold, do you think any mma guy can really stand in there with any boxer? Hell no!! The hand strikes in mma is terrible. So, you could say the same thing about either an mma fighter or a boxer…it just depends on the rules which they are fighting behind.
BE is mostly a pro-mma forum for which you guys can rally together and bash anything under the sun that isn’t popular by mma standards. If you got into a real argument, with people that respect both arts (mixed and boxing) your arguments wouldn’t be so easily received. Boxers have just as much talent and skill as any mma fighter. You take a much more severe beating in boxing than you ever do in mma, and have to try to fight through it. Theres much more at stake. You can fight 3-4 times in a year in mma, because you dont take the damage you do in boxing. boxers can fight maybe 2 fights per year.
You can make a case for either sport, but there is no reason to disrespect boxing. Its just obvious you either don’t understand it, or you just can’t grasp the fine art which boxing is. I love mma and boxing, equally. I will admit that mma is usually more appealing, because most boxing undercards are terrible. But, i love that there is so much at stake in boxing. Each fight really matters. In mma, you can lose a title fight and win your next fight and be right back at another title shot. Besides a rematch, you hardly see guys get another title shot after losing it.
by Glamdring the foe hammer on May 2, 2010 4:39 AM EDT reply actions
do you think any mma guy can really stand in there with any boxer?
yes. because boxers don’t know how to use kicks, elbows, knees, clinch. etc etc etc.
now if you ask if they can box with boxers, certainly, they can’t.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2010 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
This
Take away a boxers legs and they have nothing.
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there's no kicks allowed in boxing.
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by higgledy-piggledy on May 2, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
yes. because boxers don’t know how to use kicks, elbows, knees, clinch. etc etc etc.
now if you ask if they can box with boxers, certainly, they can’t.
@Anton Tabuena;
You misinterpret what “Glamdring the foe hammer” was saying in your first response to his post.
do you think any mma guy can really stand in there with any boxer
He means a fight under boxing rules not in an Octagon under MMA rules. Obviously the MMA fighter would lose to a boxer in a Boxing match, and vice versa. Just as most MMA fighters would lose a fight concentrated on a single martial art discipline.
MMA is the fusion of any martial art a fighter choses to utilise. That is the beauty and what attracts me to MMA. A fighter can utilise whatever martial art he feels will enable him to beat another opponent in a fight. Arguably, the closest a sanctioned combat sport to ‘real’ fighting. It is beautiful, entertaining and brutal; all the reasons why I enjoy it [MMA].
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by higgledy-piggledy on May 2, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
isn't that what I said?
yes. because boxers don’t know how to use kicks, elbows, knees, clinch. etc etc etc.
now if you ask if they can box with boxers, certainly, they can’t.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
No it's not what you initially said. This is what you said...
I don’t think “Glamdring the foe hammer” was talking about an MMA fight.
Read his post again and then you’ll understand better what he was trying to say. He was asking the question you asked and answered your response;
now if you ask if they can box with boxers, certainly, they can’t.
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by higgledy-piggledy on May 2, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
wowza! iz a screenshot! :)
I just answered his question about if MMA guys can stand with boxers… he might’ve worded it a bit wrong, so I also answered if MMA guys can straight up beat boxers in their own game.
…
but yes, I also agree that this boxing vs MMA debate is pretty lame, and yes, fighters from both sports deserve respect… The argument of boxers having to tough out and take more damage to the head doesn’t prove anything on that argument though, except that it is unfortunate for thousands of boxers out there.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, he worded it pretty bad though.
I’m definitely with you on this view’
The argument of boxers having to tough out and take more damage to the head doesn’t prove anything on that argument though, except that it is unfortunate for thousands of boxers out there.
But I think we both will agree that in a open rules fight, an MMA fighter would likely beat any martial artist limited to one discipline.
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by higgledy-piggledy on May 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
hi anton….i used to think the same as you until I tried boxing myself..the only thing I can ask of you is to go and try the sport at a serious gym (and if you can afford it use the club pro or personal trainer) for 3 months…the footwork, punching technique (short n quick), balance, conditioning, power and reaction times you develop are incredible…boxing is my default self defense skill… “one strike” punching ability that boxing provides you is invaluable to your self defense when you are fighting mutiple people (where jui jitsu would get your head stomped in) and in a crowded bar where your tae kwon do or karate kicks are useless….please try it for 3 months and whip your boxing skills out in your other martial art sparring session and you will see the huge results and advantages that boxing brings to your game
whut?
what the hell did I do to deserve that? haha. When did I EVER dis boxing? and what does a bar fight have to do with anything??
All I said was that if MMA fighters fought boxers in boxing rules, they will lose. If boxers fight MMA fighters under MMA rules, they will lose. That is the truth. It is two separate sports, and debating which is better is pretty lame. Both can co-exist without all these lame arguments.
don’t give me that “I used to think the same as you” bid, cause you didn’t even understand my main point.
by Anton Tabuena on May 3, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
TO ME BOXING ISLAND DEAD..
but im sure there are boxing purist that can appreciate Floyd’s overly elusive style but to me its a snooze…guess its just like how I can appreciate a technical grappling war while a boxing fan will say they’re rolling around..different cups of tea I guess…
by longevity on May 2, 2010 7:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I really really miss the boxing from the
late 70s and early 80s. All down hill since.
So, did anyone watching this fight even realise or care that it wasn’t for any title? Apparently Floyd felt it wasn’t worth paying the WBA the sanctioning fee to fight for Mosley’s belt.
Agreed, the SC post you quoted below sums up my thoughts pretty well. It’s kind of sad though that across pretty much every combat sport (and pro wrestling too, for that matter) championships are so diluted that they mean nothing in the eyes of the public. The WBA’s belt being on the line almost literally would not have added a single PPV buyer here while also taking thousands and thousands of dollars from Floyd’s purse. I wouldn’t be surprised if the great majority of the PPV buyers couldn’t even tell you what weight the fight was held at (I’m not 100% sure myself but I’m guessing 147).
I’d argue that the only titles that really mean anything are the UFC’s LHW and WW belts. Both belts seem to add PPV sales simply by being on the line and those who fight for them regularly come off looking like a huge deal to the fans.
I read Iole’s article or some other boxing writer’s article that mentioned the fight was not going to be for Mosley’s WBA belt.
Mayweather is not fighting for the World Boxing Association welterweight title that Mosley won when he stopped Antonio Margarito on Jan. 24, 2009. He’s got no interest in paying a three percent sanction fee to the WBA for the right to compete for its title [Kevin Iole]
At this stage I don’t think Mayweather needs to bother with belts. The only fight the fans want to see is Pac Man vs Mayweather. Anything other fights with by either fighter will just be a non-event.
Will Mayweather and Pac Man be able to find some sort of middle ground in their negotiations to make this fight happen though? Well see.
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by higgledy-piggledy on May 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
this was also discussed at badlefthook
(which is supposed to be your go-to for boxing news by the way…seriously)
http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/4/23/1440558/wba-belt-not-on-the-line-for
here’s part of the accompanying opinions from SC:
this belt thing is not a big deal, but it’s nice to see someone in Mayweather’s position say very frankly, “Who cares about these stupid belts?” He’s right — that belt would have done absolutely nothing for him. Nobody cares about the WBA title belt. They care about Floyd Mayweather Jr. fighting Shane Mosley. Period. The belt is a prop. Who among the usual big fight, casual audience knows or cares that Mosley holds the WBA belt? Who knows or cares what the WBA is?
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Two of the best fighters in the last 20 years of boxing are going to fight on May 1. That’s what matters. That’s it. And they’re still two of the best in the world, too — two of the top five, you can say, and some might even say two of the three best.
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Like Sam Cooke said, that’s where it’s at.
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
BLH is not my “go to for boxing”, but thanks for the link though. I’d like to read peoples’ thought on that ‘belt’ debacle in boxing
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by higgledy-piggledy on May 2, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
it should...
if BE is your go-to for MMA, BLH should be the one for boxing. SC and the rest of the crew are awesome. :)
by Anton Tabuena on May 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
if you put it on the the same level as BE, then I’ll check it out more often. I may have been their once or twice, but not as much as I visit BE. Thanks though, I appreciate the advice.
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by higgledy-piggledy on May 2, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Where everyone else goes - Newspapers.
w/ Boxing it is easy to get news from the mainstream sports outlets. Whereas until recently MMA hasn’t been covered by mainstream media. I still prefer to get my “MMA news” from BE and other sites as they do a far better job on covering the sport.
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by higgledy-piggledy on May 2, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Man.. I fell asleep during the fight.
Man.. I fell asleep during the fight.Way too much hugging.
by grein on May 2, 2010 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
These comments ...
… are a great example of why a MMA site should never cover boxing.
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on May 2, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions
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