Gambling Spotlight: UFC 112
I've taken some important steps to ensure my UFC 112 viewing party has a more authentic feel to it. For starters, I've spritzed gasoline all over my living room furniture to remind us of why this event is happening. Mandatory prayers will be instituted in between each bout. And a strict dress code will be enforced for all women in attendance. All who complain will be sent to the Cultural Relativists Office.
Important note! Get your bets in early! This is happening live in Abu Dhabi time!
And again, the percentage after the best line is the breakeven rate for those odds.

|
Anderson Silva #1 Middleweight |
vs. |
Demian Maia #6 Middleweight |
| -765 (BOOK) 88% | Best Line | +575 (DOG/5D) 15% |
| 34 | Age | 32 |
| 6'2" | Height | 6'1" |
| 25 - 4 - 0 | Record | 12 - 1 - 0 |
| 15 / 4 | TKO / SUB | 2 / 8 |
| Black House | Camp | Wand Fight Team |
| W - Griffin (KO) W - Leites (UD) W - Cote (TKO) |
Last Three | W - Miller (UD) L - Marquardt (KO) W - Sonnen (SUB) |
Unlike the other headline title fight on the card, the heavy favorite in the main event doesn't have the advantage in every facet of the fight. Demian Maia is one of the few men Joe Rogan can safely stamp the "world class" moniker on. The problem for Maia is getting Silva to the floor to work his BJJ game.
The other problem for Maia is Anderson Silva himself. The gap between Silva and Maia on the floor is narrow compared to the gap between the two standing. Maia cannot afford to spend any more time vertically than he needs to.
People like to question Silva's takedown defense. I've defended it in the past, and I'll defend it again. His takedown defense is fine. He runs into "trouble" because he has no fear being on his back. Consequently, he opens up his striking game and puts himself in positions where his opponent can take him down.
That said, his takedown defense isn't at, say, B.J. Penn's level, so there's at least a reasonable notion that Maia can take this fight to the ground. If it gets to the ground, Silva's BJJ is good enough to keep Maia at bay, but...let's just say long limbs and a BJJ wizard are not a good mix.
Not that anyone reading this would have the balls to lay the chalk anyway (and wait 'til you read my Penn/Edgar writeup!), but I'm staying away from this fight. I don't see how Maia can get it to the ground with enough consistency or volume to really threaten Anderson. Save your money and root against this ending up as Silva/Leites II.
|
B.J. Penn #1 Lightweight |
vs.
|
Frank Edgar #7 Lightweight |
| -775 (BOOK) 89% | Best Line | +600 (DOG) 14% |
| 31 | Age | 28 |
| 5'9" | Height | 5'6" |
| 15 - 5 - 1 | Record | 12 - 1 - 0 |
| 6 / 6 | TKO / SUB | 2 / 3 |
| BJ Penn's MMA | Camp | Renzo Gracie Combat Team |
| W - Sanchez (TKO) W - Florian (SUB) L - St-Pierre (TKO) |
Last Three | W - Veach (SUB) W - Sherk (UD) W - Franca (UD) |
Frankie Edgar is a good fighter. B.J. Penn is a legendary fighter.
Everything Edgar does well, Penn does better or nullifies. Boxing, wrestling, jiu jitsu, whatever. Frank Edgar, as much as I like him, has zero to offer Penn in this fight.
Let's break this down into a math problem. At the best currently available line, B.J. Penn must win 88.6% of the time for us to break even. Edgar's best chance of victory occurs if Penn comes down with a freak injury - torn ACL, bad cut, etc. According to my database, a combination of "cut", "injury", or "doctor's stoppage" was the result of 44 of 1224 fights - or 3.5%. Now, we musn't forget that a fighter could be injured that leads to a more traditional stoppage (or decision). We also musn't ignore that in addition to his elusiveness, Penn has notoriously tough skin.
For simplicity's sake, let's just stick with the 3.5% number. That leaves us with roughly 8% of fight permutations Edgar needs to win in order to make Penn a bad bet. That's almost 1 in 10 fights Edgar has to win to move this into the land of Negative Expected Value. Frankly, I just don't see it.
Edgar's small for the weight class, he doesn't have one strike KO power, and the idea of him submitting Penn is laughable. A half-kelly bet giving Penn a 95% chance of winning would have you betting 30% of your bankroll. I know most people would scoff at the notion, and I'm not going to publically recommend you lay that much, but I do think that's a fairly accurate assessment of the fight.
Follow me. Follow me to bridge jumping.
|
Matt Hughes #8 Welterweight |
vs.
|
Renzo Gracie
|
| -360 (DOG) 78% | Best Line | +340 (5D) 23% |
| 36 | Age | 43 |
| 5'9" | Height | 5'10" |
| 43 - 7 - 0 | Record | 13 - 6 - 1, 1 NC |
| 15 / 18 | TKO / SUB | 1 / 8 |
| HIT Squad | Camp | Renzo Gracie Combat Team |
| W - Serra (UD) L - Alves (TKO) L - St-Pierre (SUB) |
Last Three | W - Shamrock (DQ) W - Newton (SD) W - Miletich (SUB) |
Avenging his cousin's failure and being the bridge between East and West, Renzo Gracie would be a huge favorite if this was a made-for-TV movie. Unfortunately this is real life, and the facts do not bode well for him.
Let's start from the top. Renzo Gracie has not fought in three years. It's hard enough for a guy like Ricardo Almeida to come back after that long a layoff, and he's only 33. Renzo is 43.
Renzo Gracie last beat Frank Shamrock. It's a DQ win, but Gracie controlled the entire fight. What does that win mean when Frank went 1-2 beating Phil Baroni and losing to Cung Le and Nick Diaz?
Even if we assert Gracie with some sort of edge in the standup (and I think that's a bold assertion), Hughes's wrestling and top game absolutely dominates this fight. Hughes doesn't get nearly enough credit for his grappling as he should. He's very, very competent on the floor.
This fight is going to be vintage Hughes - takedowns and ground 'n' pound. It's going to be fun seeing Renzo back fighting, but this will end in similar one-sided fashion that the first Hughes/Gracie fight. I like a nice big play on Hughes on anything under -450.
31 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I'm worried for a Leites II here too.
Normally, Maia is very aggressive going for the grapple/takedown, however I can see him being a bit reluctant to wade through Anderson’s strike both because of the pure quality of it as well as his experience in the fight with Nate.
However, if he does get it to the ground, I think it largely depends on what position they land in. If he is in Anderson’s guard or even half guard it will be a neutral situation and probably lead to a stand up. However, if Maia can get outside of that it could be trouble. I don’t see a situation in which Anderson is on top as he would probably simply stand up.
In other news
Is anyone else getting fed up and disgusted with Rogan constantly saying Maia has the best BJJ in MMA? He doesn’t even have the best BJJ at 185, let alone MMA.
At 185, who would be better? Jacare? He’d probably be the only one. Across other weight divisions, who would there be? (I’m overlooking dilettantes like Roger Gracie or those who can’t make the transition from BJJ to MMA well, like Andre Galvo).
New Orleans Saints - 2010 Super Bowl Champions. Unbelievable. Who Dat.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 9, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say that Galvao’s BJJ didn’t transfer well. His last fight was tough, but Luke Stewart guy is a black belt under Ralph Gracie, so it’s not like he got swept by Nate Quarry.
by dancingChicken on Apr 9, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
who's Jitsu is better in your opinion Batman?
If I remember correctly Leites was being hyped as an aggressive fighter too, at the time I believe they said he “has the best BJJ in the middle weight division”
by doonerthesooner on Apr 9, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, its a pretty debatable point.
And not worth arguing about considering its Rogan’s job to hype fights.
Someone needs to Chillax.
Really?
It’s him, Jacare, Roger Gracie, and Xande. Roger only has two MMA fights and isn’t at 185. Xande only has two MMA fights, those were at 205 and neither were submission wins. There’s an argument for Jacare since he’s 2-1 with Demian in grappling events, but Demian has fought (slightly) better competition in MMA and been more dominant with his BJJ.
Saying Demian has the best BJJ in MMA is not really much hyperbole. His credentials and ability to translate his skills to BJJ with face punches is easily top 5, and that top 5 is real muddled.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Apr 9, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wish this fight were Jacare v. Silva although they train together (in addition to fighting in different orgs) so we’ll likely never see it.
Same
I’ve always wanted to see Maia vs Jacare in an MMA fight too. So many great matchups if he ever comes to the UFC.
What hyperbole. Maias greatest claim to fame is that he beat a worn out Jacare on points. Jacare is so amazing you can make a BJJ career off of beating him once.
What hyperbole?
How about your claim that they are lightyears apart. You’ve made the case that Jacare is better, and that’s a reasonable assessment. But to claim that he is lightyears better than another very talented, well-credentialed BJJ player (whom he lost to once, despite how) is ridiculous…or in keeping with the argument, hyperbolic.
I’d have to say Jacare is better than Maia given the phenomenal success he’s had at ADCC. I’d also rank Xande higher but as you mentioned he’s at a different weight class and has been knocking people out, so it remains to be seen how his grappling game will translate into MMA.
He's moving down to 185 for MMA.
That’s why I include him. He walks around just over 205.
Yeah, there’s the argument for Jacare. He’s incredible, but his best MMA wins are over unranked or fringe top 25 guys. Demian has those too, but also wrecked Sonnen something fierce. I’d go so far as to say that Demian’s takedowns are better than Jacare’s, and once it’s on the mat they are both phenomenal to watch.
This isn’t something I’d care to argue any further, not because it’s not worth it, but because I wouldn’t be upset to call the two of them on par and don’t hold any incredibly strong opinion without seeing them fight in MMA. VegasBatman’s “disgust” with Rogan’s opinion is not rational. Your stance that Jacare is better is, I just happen to disagree.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Apr 9, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the relevant distinction here may be between saying “best BJJ in MMA” and “best MMA BJJ”, with the point of the distinction being that the former regards their pure grappling skills and the latter regards how well they’ve adapted their grappling to MMA. With respect to the latter, I agree with you that it’s definitely fair to say that their respective skills are on par, and probably (although I believe it’s more of a (very slight) stretch to say) this could be said with respect to the former as well.
Right. It's a distinction that Rogan does not make clear.
Who is the best credentialed grappler? Who is the best grappler in a cage? Who beat the other in grappling tournaments? We don’t know what he’s saying, but any of those criteria are possible and neither blows the other away in any of them. Both of them are cream of the crop and Rogan’s statement is FAR from the most egregious hyperbole to fall from his mouth, particularly because it’s not much of an exaggeration to start with.
Unrelated, but something you’d probably be interested in: look at Demian’s corner during 112. You’ll see a familiar face and will have a grappling geek smile.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Apr 9, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Rogan does make a clear distinction that Maia has the best pure BJJ, NOT MMA BJJ. That’s why I take issue with it. It’s pretty impossible to determine who is the better MMA grappler, but it’s crystal clear who has better pure BJJ.
Maia is great, but it’s getting ridiculous.
Not Only
Does Maia have to get it to the ground he has to get it to the ground away from the fence and more toward the center of the cage. Razreshat had a great point too. He not only has to get it to the ground and away from the fence but he has to land in an advantageous position. All of which is very possible of course and I definitely wouldn’t be shocked to see that happen.
There was an article on BE about these challengers needing to be aggressive and they need to go for broke and I totally agree. If I were Maia I’d come out guns blazing and go for flying armbars and throw everyting out there against Silva. What’s the worst that could happen if he misses one of those attempts? LIke Raz said, Silva will not follow him down, so he should definitely be going for broke from the get go. No half hearted low kicks. No pitty pat punches.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
“There was an article on BE about these challengers needing to be aggressive and they need to go for broke and I totally agree.”
I wonder which asshat wrote that piece.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Apr 9, 2010 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I assume it was you now
I had no clue and was way to lazy to go look for it but you were 100% correct.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
I think BJ should be a bigger favorite than he is but I like Maia at the current odds. If Maia can manage to survive (as Leites did) and get a few take downs he can pull it out if Silva goes into his pure counterpunching mode like he did in the Leites fight (in which Leites won two rounds on one judge’s score card — illustrating that anything is possible); Maia obviously is more than capable of passing the guard of, and submitting, Silva. Leites got stuck in half guard and then didn’t even attempt to ground and pound, forgetting that this was an MMA bout and not a grappling contest. I don’t think Maia will make that mistake. I think Maia’s wrestling is probably adequate to get Silva to the ground given that Leites took him down twice and Silva was fighting extremely defensively (opting for the Rickson Gracie side kick to the thigh instead of the traditional muay thai strike), and Leites is a mediocre wrestler. I have serious doubts about Maia’s conditioning though and i found it somewhat troubling that Maia opted to stand with Miller rather than attempt to pull guard; granted he was winning the striking exchanges with Miller (which he knows won’t be the case here), but he really shouldn’t, in general and here, alter his mindset from what it was when he started in the UFC — ie, that he needs to do whatever it takes to get the fight to the ground.
I think of these odds, I only really like Maia. He’s combined wrestling with jiu jitsu in a really strong way, and his transitions are brilliant. So I think he’s a good bet at his current odds.
Though that might be because of the fact I just rewatched his fight from Montreal where he whored himself out to the local crowd by having a Montreal Canadiens jersey made up. He seemed almost depressed to be whoring himself out, but he still won me over.
War limping into the playoffs!
Can someone explain to me how Maia who is 2-1 to Jacare is worse than Jacare?
Regardless of resume if you win a best out of three doesn’t that clearly show you are better? I don’t get it?
You have it reversed
Jacare is 2-1 against Maia
by The Fake Macoy on Apr 9, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions

by 
























