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The Paradox of The Diaz Brothers, and Why MMA Fans Everywhere Ought to Respect Them

As I composed the title of this article one image seemed to lodge itself in my mind: Nate Diaz securing a deadly triangle choke around the neck and shoulder of an unsuspecting Kurt Pellegrino, right before laying back to face the overhead cam and delivering (with both hands) the kind of sign language one learns by cutting off motorists. It’s the kind of moment that I imagine comes to mind for many MMA fans when considering the brothers Diaz- the seasoned Stockton natives who have managed to stir enough controversy over the years to earn a reputation as the Bad Boys of a sport that not only allows, but encourages kneeing people in the face.

But I don’t think this is quite fair. Surely the Diaz brothers have been involved in their fair share of rebellious behavior: The aforementioned dual middle fingers on basic cable, a post-fight hospital brawl, numerous skirmishes at weigh ins and post-fight press conferences, a less than friendly run-in with Frank Shamrock at a restaurant that I saw on youtube and, most recently, a post-fight melee live on CBS during which every member Jake Shield’s training camp and corner (which included the Diaz’s) punched Jason Mayhem Miller at least once. There is no denying their pension for trash-talking and reckless public relations, but what is ironic is that these features of their public personas (reckless, disrespectful, cocky) do not carry over into their work as Martial Artists. Not even a little bit. In fact, when i comes to the primary responsibilities of a MMA professional, training and fighting, they might well be two of the most disciplined, respect-filled and educated fighters on the planet. How often do you see a peppering of jabs used to set up a power hook to the body (Nick against most recent opponent Marius Zaromskis)? How often do you see 24 year olds outclass gritty, well rounded veterans like Josh Neer (Nate, 2 years ago)? When was the last time you heard of either brother missing weight? Have you ever seen either Diaz show up for a fight unprepared or under-conditioned? No, you haven’t- and I’d be willing to bet that you won’t. Ever.

Why is this? Because for all of their rough exterior and rowdy tendencies, the Diaz brothers are two of the most professional professionals in the world of MMA and I for one think it is a shame that they are often presented (by the marketing machines of their respective organizations) as the opposite. While many may decry their antics I suggest that fighters everywhere, young and old alike, could take a page from the Diaz book when it comes to being a true student of the game. Look at the well-rounded and fully developed skill set possessed by each fighter, neither of which have reached the age of thirty yet. Boxing, Kickboxing, Tae Kwon Do, Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, Wrestling...is there an aspect of Mixed Martial Arts that both brothers do not respect enough to have fully mastered? Not as far as I can see.

Simply put, despite the cocky bravado that the pair seem to favor in front of the camera, their styles and repertoires speak of the ego-less-ness necessary to attain such a diverse and mature skill set. There is a humility below the surface, the kind that one possesses when they truly love what they are doing and do it simply for the sake of doing it. Two young fighters who love the sport, are dedicated to the study of it, consistently produce exciting bouts and respect martial arts as though it were their religion? What more can a fight fan ask for? If the price of this is the brandishing of the  occasional obscene gesture (and their non-stop reminders that they are indeed from Stockton), I’m more than happy to pay up.

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you forgot about the weeds.

Kimbo wants to take your caterpiller and do bad things to it.

by Mr.Kib on Apr 30, 2010 2:57 AM EDT reply actions  

it’s not though. The fact that Nate cannot be relied on for any fight in any state with a decent drug testing program undermines the point of your article. His out-of-cage antics certainly did “carry over into his work” as a mixed martial artist when Strikeforce had to cancel his fight with Jay Heiron at the Carano/Cyborg show. Ask Jay Heiron about how his professionalism.

Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.

by Stanlee on Apr 30, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Im sure you mean NIck dude

by montiel3 on Apr 30, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

shit, yeah righto. I need to stick with the Nogueira rule and call one Big Diaz and one Little Diaz.

Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.

by Stanlee on Apr 30, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sums it up nicely. I respect the hell out of them as fighters – their dedication and work ethic is unquestioned. But as professionals? Not really.

"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy

by Benicio on Apr 30, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't they the least professional professionals?

As in…yeah they come in and do what’s necessary to do their job, but they’re anything but professional about it. Professionalism would require a certain respect and etiquette in conducting yourself in and outside the ring. These two share neither of those qualities.

that HAVING been said…

Diaz fan all day.

by Body Triangle on Apr 30, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

“Aren’t they the least professional professionals?”

“Professionalism would require a certain respect and etiquette in conducting yourself in and outside the ring.”

You don’t jump guys on possibly the biggest night of your promotions existant to end the show. I don’t really need to go on, that alone shows no class, and no professionalism. Why even mention the other stuff that has surrounded the Diaz name, they dissed the sport and the people that pay them.
 
Where is the professionalism in that?

Ask Ben Roethlisberger what the NFL thought of his off the field antics? Big heads that are in control of there leagues like Goodell, or White would have never let some shit like that go down with a slap on the wrist for the people involved. If big Diaz goes to UFC, Dana white won’t put up with shit like what happened with the Heiron fight, and big Diaz repeatedly tarnishing his and the companies name and doing what you call “Professionalism”.

Big Diaz is the least professional in a group of unprofessionals. Real companies wouldn’t put up with his shit. As for the younger brother.. he’s pretty much a stand up guy, other than the brawl on CBS. That’s probably why he is in UFC, and big brother isn’t. It isn’t talent. Both are great fighters.

If it’s professionalism, these guys get a D-.

by Brennan Linn on Apr 30, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

When was the last time you heard of either brother missing weight?

I seem to recall Nick missing weight by two Caranos for his EliteXC fight with Mushin Corbbrey and blaming it on swallowing salt water.

I also recall Nick fukcing over Jay Hieron, Strikeforce and Showtime pretty hard when he scuttled a co-main event by skipping a whiz quiz.

by Steve4192 on Apr 30, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

This bypasses irony and heads straight into hypocrisy...

How can you possibly open the article by describing an account of Nate blatantly disrespecting his opponent and fans, then follow by claiming that he is “ego-less” and professional?

Are the Diaz brothers dedicated fighters? Absolutely. They train hard and come to fights prepared. But that does not give you leave to redefine “professionalism” just so that you can apply it to them.

Pretending that the Diaz brothers are consummate professionals is disrespectful to all those who actually do carry themselves in a respectful, professional manner.

by Kung-Fu Joe on Apr 30, 2010 9:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

good points...

…and the line about skipping irony had me cracking up, well put. However, I do think the article mentions a paradox, no? I guess what I was getting at was that the view of them is unduly one-sided, either way, thanks for reading, hope the article was entertaining, if not accurate.

by koshlap on Apr 30, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the Diaz brothers

and I think you make a good point that their out-of-cage antics might lead some to underestimate their dedication to the sport. What I admire most about them is their mental toughness. I’ve seen them lose, but I’ve never seen them give up, gas, or even seem especially discouraged. I’d take a Diaz in a 14 round fight over just about anybody ;)

I don’t think they are the most professional fighters out there though. They are more professional than many people credit them for, and their well-rounded skills often get second bililng to their shennanigans, but in a poll of who is more professional, GSP or Nate Diaz, I think GSP would win every time.

Honestly though, I enjoy having some characters in the sport, and they certainly fit the bill. I enjoyed Nate’s “double deuce” triangle. Maybe that says something bad about me, but I liked seeing the cockiness of him saying, in essence “that’s it b****es, he’s not getting out.” It’s the submission equivalent of crumpling the opponent with a clean shot, and turning to walk away because you know he’s not getting up.

I consider myself a softcore fan.

by Thor77 on Apr 30, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

i really didn't mind

Nate’s double Ol’ Stockton Hey Buddy to Pellegrino, because I’m not a fan of Pellegrino at all. I completely disagree that they’re professional — they’re the MMA equivalent of Dennis Rodman. talented, yes, but their outside crap is always going to overshadow their professional achievements.

by bobthewriter on Apr 30, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love the Diaz bros, and love how they keeps it real. however, they def have been involved in a few instances of “when keeping it real goes wrong”

by Stillberry on Apr 30, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Why is this? Because for all of their rough exterior and rowdy tendencies, the Diaz brothers are two of the most professional professionals in the world of MMA and I for one think it is a shame that they are often presented (by the marketing machines of their respective organizations) as the opposite.

They’re not presented that way due to some twisting by the organizations; they act that way on their own. These guys are no doubt good fighters, because that’s what they enjoy doing and that’s what pays the bills. But as people they’re fucking morons. It’s as simple as that.

by dropkick101 on Apr 30, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If Diaz/Gracie Camp are professional, so is this lady...

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by Ionnes on Apr 30, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

thats hilarious

her face probably hurt, her chin hit like four stairs then the floor.. dddamn

by Brennan Linn on May 1, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

ironing boards are so much better for that.

"I love it when a guy is bleeding on top of me." -- Diego Sanchez, post fight interview about his fight with Clay Guida

by snet tim on May 1, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the Diaz brothers!

I can never understand all the hate that they receive. Nick has turned into one of MMA’s best boxer and always put’s on a great show. Nate is starting to look a little more like his brother since his move up to 170 fight. They are great for the sport.

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by punchdrank on Apr 30, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention you will not see either one of them gas out, ever. Due to the triathalons they have possibly the best cardio of anyone in the sport. Serious atheletes.

by brad23 on Apr 30, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Appreciate the recommends...

…I’ll try to keep my posts interesting, thanks for reading.

by koshlap on Apr 30, 2010 7:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

What about those guys who display good sportsmanship before and after the fight?

I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand

by vivero on Apr 30, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

go write your own post about them. this one is referring to the Diaz brothers.

by BradCr on Apr 30, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this post is also about as to Why MMA Fans Everywhere Ought to Respect Them

I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand

by vivero on May 1, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, and how does that apply to other people who are good sports?

by BradCr on May 1, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

now now bradcr, calm down

by Brennan Linn on May 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m totally calm, i just think it;s a legit question. it the “Paradox of the Diaz brothers” not the paradox of every dude who’s a good sport all the time

by BradCr on May 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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