Eddie Bravo: "UNBELIEVABLE NEW CHOKE FROM THE RUBBER GUARD by Katsumura, I'm gonna start drilling this one immediately!! ... Katsumura named it the Ninja Choke"
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It’s a forearm choke. Not new. But nice submission nonetheless.
by Daniel Faust on Apr 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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was the last fight i remember finishing like this… but im sure there was alot more. Ive notice seeing guys attempting this alot more in the last year year and half.
This one is slightly different.
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by Patrick Tenney on Apr 3, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Can any grappling experts explain
how this choke differs from a darce, in terms of the positioning of the attacker’s arms? The D’Arce is obviously never done from guard or rubber guard, but the position of the arms looks similar to me here.
I am possibly the furthest thing from a grappling expert that posts here
But it seems like it was more or less a power guillotine executed from rubber guard.
Grappling experts, am I totally off-base or do I get a gold star?
Gold star. This isn’t a D’Arce, it’s a just a front choke in guard, it’s really not even based on any type of “Eddie Bravo” stuff at all, the fact that the guy had “chill dog” before hitting the choke isn’t the reason the choke succeeded at all.
All he did was drop “chill dog” keep the arm in and shoot the other arm over and lock the front choke or “power guillotine”.
I don’t mind Eddie and think he has a lot of cool stuff that situationaly works, but… this isn’t that crazy or ground breaking.
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by Patrick Tenney on Apr 3, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This choke was technique of the week
Only difference was was using the rubber guard for the transition
http://www.sherdog.com/mma-techniques/Sherdogs-Technique-of-the-Week-22626
Its like a power guillotine with the head on the opposite side
To echo the first reply
It’s a guillotine—from the bottom—with a figure-four style grip (ala Cromado). Nice choke, and the rubber guard may very help have helped him set it up, but proclaiming it new and giving it a name is silly business.
I’m certainly not a grappling expert either, and Eddie Bravo certainly is, but it is what it is.
His arm position tho isn’t like a guillotine, This looks more like a lapel choke minus the gi, hand and arm position wise anyway.
by TannerMatthews on Apr 3, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It could just be a snazzy front wing choke, in which case the guy on top is a moron for not know how to get out of it.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Apr 3, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Upon further investigation it is in fact a front wing choke / no gi ezekial variation.
The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino
by Patrick Tenney on Apr 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
In a D’Arce you would be shooting/threading your own arm under theirs and then across the neck and up and then completing a bicep lock:
That picture shows an initial D’Arce set up.
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by Patrick Tenney on Apr 3, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
it has more to do with the set up n position...
btw this is coming from NOT a GRAPPLING EXPERT~
regardless it’s sweet choke~
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looked like a guilotine to me.
It was a neat setup. I don’t think the choke is new.
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by Rayce. on Apr 3, 2010 7:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A D'Arce has an arm in...
… and this doesn’t. With this, you actually only end up cutting off blood supply on one side (with the d’arce, the other side is cut off by your opponent’s own shoulder/upper arm), which makes me wonder if it isn’t just as much a crank as it is a choke.
It’s not at all like a guillotine because there’s nothing under his neck here.
by stingrza on Apr 3, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
good call
i didnt see the other side of the neck being open. i think if it was a little tighter he could have made this an inverse rnc/nogi ezekiel but with only one side of the neck being attacked this might be a straight up crank
My initial reaction was that this was a guillotine with an RNC grip, but it’s clear Ueda’s neck is on the opposite (for a normal guillotine) side of Katsumura’s body and that there is nothing putting pressure on the left side of Ueda’s neck. I suppose there could be a some pressure on the right side of Ueda’s throat, but it looks like mostly a neck crank.
However, Katsumura is calling it a choke not a crank, and I expect he knows the difference. Maybe this was a slightly screwed up version of his ninja choke.
Has anybody tried this at the gym yet?
by Stanimus on Apr 4, 2010 8:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
could be a wind choke...
probably just a neck crank
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New or not… dayum that was sweet!
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Apr 4, 2010 2:39 AM EDT reply actions
It’s a nice choke, but the big deal here is that Katsumura handed Ueda his first loss and finally shook up Shooto’s featherweight division.
I’ll be interested to see whether this is reflected in the next B.E. consensus rankings.
by JRN on Apr 5, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
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