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Eddie Bravo: "UNBELIEVABLE NEW CHOKE FROM THE RUBBER GUARD by Katsumura, I'm gonna start drilling this one immediately!! ... Katsumura named it the Ninja Choke"

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Shut. The. Hell. Up.

That was fucking nice!

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 3, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s a forearm choke. Not new. But nice submission nonetheless.

by Daniel Faust on Apr 3, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

jon jones vs obrien

was the last fight i remember finishing like this… but im sure there was alot more. Ive notice seeing guys attempting this alot more in the last year year and half.

by waldog on Apr 3, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

This one is slightly different.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Apr 3, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can any grappling experts explain

how this choke differs from a darce, in terms of the positioning of the attacker’s arms? The D’Arce is obviously never done from guard or rubber guard, but the position of the arms looks similar to me here.

by Scott Haber on Apr 3, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I am possibly the furthest thing from a grappling expert that posts here

But it seems like it was more or less a power guillotine executed from rubber guard.

Grappling experts, am I totally off-base or do I get a gold star?

by Tedd Welch on Apr 3, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gold star. This isn’t a D’Arce, it’s a just a front choke in guard, it’s really not even based on any type of “Eddie Bravo” stuff at all, the fact that the guy had “chill dog” before hitting the choke isn’t the reason the choke succeeded at all.

All he did was drop “chill dog” keep the arm in and shoot the other arm over and lock the front choke or “power guillotine”.

I don’t mind Eddie and think he has a lot of cool stuff that situationaly works, but… this isn’t that crazy or ground breaking.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Apr 3, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This choke was technique of the week

Only difference was was using the rubber guard for the transition
http://www.sherdog.com/mma-techniques/Sherdogs-Technique-of-the-Week-22626

Its like a power guillotine with the head on the opposite side

by NinjaNate on Apr 4, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

To echo the first reply

It’s a guillotine—from the bottom—with a figure-four style grip (ala Cromado). Nice choke, and the rubber guard may very help have helped him set it up, but proclaiming it new and giving it a name is silly business.

I’m certainly not a grappling expert either, and Eddie Bravo certainly is, but it is what it is.

by capital L on Apr 3, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

His arm position tho isn’t like a guillotine, This looks more like a lapel choke minus the gi, hand and arm position wise anyway.

by TannerMatthews on Apr 3, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could just be a snazzy front wing choke, in which case the guy on top is a moron for not know how to get out of it.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Apr 3, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upon further investigation it is in fact a front wing choke / no gi ezekial variation.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Apr 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a D’Arce you would be shooting/threading your own arm under theirs and then across the neck and up and then completing a bicep lock:

That picture shows an initial D’Arce set up.

The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world. My world is like the ocean, I’m like a shark and most people don't even know how to swim - Draculino

by Patrick Tenney on Apr 3, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn he was fast to slap on that choke, nice!

by grein on Apr 3, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

it has more to do with the set up n position...

btw this is coming from NOT a GRAPPLING EXPERT~

regardless it’s sweet choke~

You have to beat the legend, in order to become the LEGEND
-Melvin Manhoef (after his destruction of Sakuraba)

by chopstickthugz on Apr 3, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

amazing

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Apr 3, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

looked like a guilotine to me.

It was a neat setup. I don’t think the choke is new.

"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.

by Rayce. on Apr 3, 2010 7:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Sweet submission streak for Katsumura. Twister, brabo choke, ninja choke…….whats next?!?!

Great submission and I think the setup and positioning is different enough that this warrants a new name. Love the ninja choke!

by GeeDub on Apr 3, 2010 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

A D'Arce has an arm in...

… and this doesn’t. With this, you actually only end up cutting off blood supply on one side (with the d’arce, the other side is cut off by your opponent’s own shoulder/upper arm), which makes me wonder if it isn’t just as much a crank as it is a choke.

It’s not at all like a guillotine because there’s nothing under his neck here.

by stingrza on Apr 3, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

good call

i didnt see the other side of the neck being open. i think if it was a little tighter he could have made this an inverse rnc/nogi ezekiel but with only one side of the neck being attacked this might be a straight up crank

by phantasma475 on Apr 4, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

My initial reaction was that this was a guillotine with an RNC grip, but it’s clear Ueda’s neck is on the opposite (for a normal guillotine) side of Katsumura’s body and that there is nothing putting pressure on the left side of Ueda’s neck. I suppose there could be a some pressure on the right side of Ueda’s throat, but it looks like mostly a neck crank.

However, Katsumura is calling it a choke not a crank, and I expect he knows the difference. Maybe this was a slightly screwed up version of his ninja choke.

Has anybody tried this at the gym yet?

by Stanimus on Apr 4, 2010 8:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

could be a wind choke...

probably just a neck crank

Faber, Florian, Nick Diaz, 'Mayhem', Mousasi, Fedor

by mma_dude on Apr 5, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet, freakin' choke.

If I wake up tomorrow and see that the world has ended, then that means God has finally granted my prayers.

GO Armageddon!!!

by boxingmouse on Apr 3, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Whatever the hell it is

It’s BADASS

Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade

by Damon O. on Apr 3, 2010 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

i wonder if the pants might have helped further the choke. either way, great submission and sweet set up.

by pop_gun_war on Apr 3, 2010 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Outstanding

Stumpy: It's called the '80s. Ford was president, Nixon was in the White House, and FDR was running this country into the ground. I was bummin' in a hole-in-the-wall town in what is now called "Utah".

by kriess on Apr 3, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

New or not… dayum that was sweet!

by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Apr 4, 2010 2:39 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s a nice choke, but the big deal here is that Katsumura handed Ueda his first loss and finally shook up Shooto’s featherweight division.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 5, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll be interested to see whether this is reflected in the next B.E. consensus rankings.

by JRN on Apr 5, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

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