USAT/SBN April MMA Consensus Rankings: Heavyweight
by Kid Nate on Apr 30, 2010 9:42 PM EDT
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| Rank | Fighter | % | Promotion | Last Rank |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Fedor Emelianenko | 100 | M-1 Global/Strikeforce | 1 |
| 2 | Brock Lesnar | 96 | UFC | 2 |
| 3 | Shane Carwin | 91 | UFC | 6 |
| 4 | Cain Velasquez | 88 | UFC | 4 |
| 5 | Frank Mir | 82 | UFC | 3 |
| 6 | Junior dos Santos | 80 | UFC | 7 |
| 7 | Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira | 76 | UFC | 5 |
| 8 | Brett Rogers | 71 | Strikeforce | 8 |
| 9 | Alistair Overeem | 56 | K-1/DREAM/Strikeforce | 9 |
| 10 | Fabricio Werdum | 54 | Strikeforce | 12 |
| 11 | Josh Barnett | 52 | DREAM | 11 |
| 12 | Andrei Arlovski | 48 | Strikeforce | 10 |
| 13 | Gabriel Gonzaga | 36 | UFC | 13 |
| 14 | Cheick Kongo | 30 | UFC | 14 |
| 15 | Aleksander Emelianenko | 27 | ProFC | 15 |
| 16 | Antonio Silva | 24 | WVR/Strikeforce | 17 |
| 17 | Pedro Rizzo | 23 | Bitetti Combat | 16 |
| 17 | Mirko Filipovic | 23 | UFC | 18 |
| 19 | Roy Nelson | 19 | UFC | 25 |
| 20 | Tim Sylvia | 18 | Adrenaline | 19 |
| 21 | Randy Couture | 16 | UFC | 22 |
| 22 | Ben Rothwell | 16 | UFC | 19 |
| 23 | Jeff Monson | 14 | Free Agent | 21 |
| 24 | Ray Mercer | 12 | Adrenaline | 24 |
| 25 | Stefan Struve | 12 | UFC | 23 |
Rankings compiled by Richard Wade.
There's a certain unreality to the very top of the division these days with #1 Fedor Emelianenko skipping out on Strikeforce's second CBS show due to his management wanting....something. He's now telling the Japanese press that he'll be facing #10 Fabricio Werdum in June. That fight was always a bit of a place holder while Fedor waited for bigger challenges -- like #9 Alistair Overeem. But it seems that fans might have to wait and keep waiting some more to see Fedor face today's best heavyweights. While we wait, Overeem will face #8 Brett Rogers in May at Strikeforce: St Louis.
Meanwhile UFC's crop of heavyweight prospects has turned into a bumper crop. #3 Shane Carwin has jumped in the rankings off his UFC 111 pasting of #5 Frank Mir. Carwin's reward is a title shot at #2 Brock Lesnar at UFC 116 in July. If Fedor still hasn't fought by then, I expect the winner of Lesnar/Carwin to start showing up at #1 in several rankings.
While Carwin's path forward is clear, what's next for his fellow UFC contenders #4 Cain Velasquez and #6 Junior Dos Santos is entirely murky. Rather than booking what could be an epic clash of rising young talents, Dana White and company are erring on the side of caution and ring rust as they hold both men back for title shots. At one point rumors were swirling that Dos Santos would be facing #19 Roy Nelson next, but it now appears that Nelson will get #14 Cheick Kongo instead.
The men who were atop the division only a few months ago, #5 Frank Mir and #7 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira are similarly in limbo. Mir has been calling out middleweight champ Anderson Silva and you have to hand it to him, the man knows how to talk himself into fights. Nogueira has been far more quiet.
#11 Josh Barnett is in an even deeper circle of the lost, just as speculation is that his future is in Japanese pro wrestling rather than in MMA, the Brazilian press started reporting claims that he'll be fighting for Strikeforce in Australia. Winding down in Proresu would be a sad but fitting end for one of the most skilled heavyweights of his generation but I think we'll hear more from Barnett in MMA and somehow I expect to be slightly revolted by the ensuing spectacle.
#12 Andrei Arlovski gets one more shot at redemption when he faces #16 Antonio Silva at Strikeforce: St Louis. Fedor's camp has openly spoken of their desire to face the lumbering Silva if Werdum doesn't work out. Arlovski has a chance to strip any shine off that match up with a definitive win over "Big Foot".
Based on the premise that all MMA rankings are subjective but that it’s still useful and informative to know who the online MMA community as a whole ranks as the best fighters in MMA, we collect and average the rankings of the top MMA websites to produce our consensus rankings. We compile the top MMA rankings from each of our sources and award 25 points for a first place ranking, 16 for a 10th place ranking, 1 for a 25th place ranking. A formula is used to "normalize" the data so all fighters are awarded points from those lists that do not include a full 25 fighters. This formula ensures that each ranking site awards the same number of total points regardless of how many fighters they choose to rank. Each fighter’s total is divided by the number of possible points to determine their standing in the Consensus Rankings.
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He’ll continue to fall next month, I suspect.
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by Richard Wade on Apr 29, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard it was close.
did you get to check that one out nate?I always enjoy monson.
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so
I haven’t seen that one. Monson can be very fun but I haven’t enjoyed the last few fights as much.
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He’s looking like the game has passed him by; he’s got sort of a Tim Sylvia/Tito Ortiz vibe, and given that he was never as good as those fighters at his peak, that’s a bad sign.
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by AJB on May 1, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Me.
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by Earl Montclair on May 1, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
off topic
but match up fedor against the top UFC heavyweights, and at this point i’m leaning towards picking both dos santos and velasquez to beat him. i’m so impressed with those dudes it’s not even funny. not as optimistic about carwin and lesnar’s chances as i think the speed disadvantage they’d have against fedor would be problematic.
point is i’ve long admired fedor but the rest of the division is speeding up while in my estimation he’s slowing down. he won’t be #1 much longer… year or two tops, if even that long.
sacrilege!!!!
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for sure
he’s small, he’s aging and his management will likely keep him away from those guys until he won’t be able to beat them.
They’ve really blown it for Fedor as far as making it in the U.S.
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im really looking forward to a potential title fight between Cain and Dos Santos, thats the only way they fight unless they both lose to the winner of carwin vs lesnar, which i dont know about. Carwin is still kind of a mystery to me, part of me still thinks gonzaga with a better gameplan could have pulled out a W, but that could be Danzig talking. he could be that great, we will soon find out against lesnar. Regardless, the ufc heavyweight title fights are gonna be compelling for a year solid. Heavy artillery is gonna be legit too, thinking about going to that one.
Fun alternate history
After the collapse of Affliction the UFC and m-1 come to an agreement and Fedor signs with the UFC. Fedor vs Brock is signed for UFC 106, but when Brock falls ill Fedor is moved to 109 where he faces Randy Couture. The bout does 700,000-1 mil ppv buys (and never do we hear that the UFC is losing momentum) as millions watch Fedor destroy captain America.
Now the UFC is looking at UFC 116 as the biggest event in history as the hype for Fedor/Brock is reaching biblical proportions. 2 million + buys is not out of the question.
by John Nash on May 1, 2010 4:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not enough people care about Fedor to get that many buys i believe. I doubt it would even have more buys than UFC100
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by Earl Montclair on May 1, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re forgetting how much hype and excitement there was for Fedor after Brock’s blowout at UFC 100. And throw in endless Pride highlights on Spike and suddenly you’d have another major UFC draw.
by John Nash on May 1, 2010 4:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ya good point. you right.
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by Earl Montclair on May 1, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Any way you could reveal who isn't ranking Lesnar at #2 or who they're ranking in his place?
I can’t think of anyone that should/would leapfrog Lesnar, even given his lengthy layoff.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 30, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
the panel is actually
unanimous at ranking Lesnar #2.
MMA Rocks and Sherdog are the only ones who don’t have Carwin at #3.
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Yeah, commented too quickly.
Without looking at the entire thing I saw a 96 in Lesnar’s % column and interpreted it as 96% of the voters ranking him at 2 instead of 96 being his normalized score.
Kind of surprised that the 3rd spot isn’t more in flux, I figured that it would be more of a toss up between Velasquez/Carwin.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 30, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking about going back to using the actual point totals since we’ll have the same panel every month now.
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by Richard Wade on Apr 30, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in favor of this
I was totally misreading what the percentage indicated.
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Brent Brookhouse 2010 Yearly Resume Rankings - Heavyweight
- Junior Dos Santos
- Shane Carwin
- Cain Velasquez
- Cheick Kongo
- Josh Barnett
- Mirko Cro Cop
- Chris Tuchscerer
- Brendan Schaub
- Joey Beltran
- Jeff Monson
These are based only on fights in 2010. Priority is given to fighters in the USAT/SBN Consensus Rankings. Wins over quality opponents (again with priority to wins over opponents ranked in the USAT/SBN CR) have most weight, followed by quality wins over non-ranked opponents, and then wins over scrubs. A fighter who has not fought in the current calendar year can not qualify to be ranked.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 30, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
What does this show?
Not many of the top 25 have fought so the list kind of sucks
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 30, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
SHIT!
I knew I forgot a fight. I forgot to add Nelson in there. He should be at 7
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by Brent Brookhouse on May 1, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
These are interesting
Any chance of compiling similar lists based on matches from the last 12 months, not just the calendar year? That could probably maybe possibly kinda be the best unbiased indicator of actual value available.
by some schmuck in texas on May 1, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock at #2
Ugh…
Fedor
Carwin
Dos Santos
Cain
Barnett
Werdum
Silva
Rogers
Then Brock goes somewhere after that, UFC belt or not. I can’t wait till Carwin puts a beating on him.
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you are saying brock should be in the 8-10 range in HW rankings?
that’s stretching it a bit. below werdum?
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Hell yeah 8-10 range. lol
He just hasnt fought enough. Werdum is under Dos Santos, thats the improtant part. =) Look if Brock (huge IF) beats Carwin he’s my #2 guy no doubt. Mur and Old Randy do not impress me. Just my opinion guys.
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by xFenixKnightx on May 1, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
ok, as long as your realize that you are insanely far off the beaten path putting brock at 9, according to your list up there. if you recognize how crazy your list looks but are still sticking with it, more power to you.
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by xFenixKnightx on May 1, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if it tells us why rankings altogether are broken in their methodology or just how weak the HW division is in depth. Personally I think it’s a bit of both.
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My top 10 HWs
Based on strength of opposition since start of 2008
Which is weighted for fights after Spring 2008.
#1. Fedor (3-0): beat #5, #2, and #8.
#2. JDS (6-0); beat #5, #15, #22, #15
#3. Shane Carwin (4-0): beat #9, #3
#4. Cain Valesquez (5-0): beat #4, #12, #19
#5. Fabricio Werdum (4-1): beat #4, #16, #22. Lost to unranked.
#6. Brock Lesnar (3-1): beat #12, #5, #3, lost to unranked.
#7 Brett Rogers (4-1): beat #4, lost to #1.
#8 Frank Mir (3-2): beat #2, #17, lost to #5, lost to #6.
#9 Andrei Arlovski (3-2): beat #10, #16. Lost to #1 and unranked opponent.
#10 Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (2-2): beat #5, #5 lost to #10, #5.
by John Nash on May 1, 2010 4:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Frank Mir was not ranked when he beat Brock.
by John Nash on May 1, 2010 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How can anyone still rank Aleks at all, much less place him in the top 15? His biggest (maybe even only?) win of note was against Kharitonov way back in 2006, since then he’s only beaten a bunch of cans yet he’s now ranked ahead of Cro Cop, who took him apart in PRIDE but is now ranked below him because Mirko actually stepped up and fought (and lost to) several tough opponents in recent years.
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by Earl Montclair on May 1, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
As it is my family tradition to spell that fight-ducking doughboy’s name wrong.
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by Earl Montclair on May 1, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Those ratings are a complete joke, Mir at #5 ?? and Lesnar at # 2 ?? …. very laughable.
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Without actually forming some sort of argument you’re basically trolling.
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