WEC 48: Aldo vs. Faber salaries - Aldo and Gamburyan get top paydays:
- Jose Aldo $40,000 ($20,000 win) def. Urijah Faber $28,000
- Ben Henderson $26,000 ($13,000 win) def. Donald Cerrone $14,000
- Manny Gamburyan $36,000 ($18,000 win) def. Mike Brown $21,000
- Shane Roller $28,000 ($14,000 win) def. Anthony Njokuani $7,000
- Scott Jorgensen $21,000 ($10,500 win) def. Antonio Banuelos $7,000
- Leonard Garcia $28,000 ($14,000 win) def. Chang Sung Jung $5,000
- Anthony Pettis $8,000 ($4,000 win) def. Alex Karalexis $10,000
- Brad Pickett $8,000 ($4,000 win) def. Demetrious Johnson $3,000
- Chad Mendes $8,500 ($4,000 win) def. Anthony Morrison $4,000
- Takeya Mizugaki $16,000 ($8,000 win) def. Rani Yahya $9,000
- Tyler Toner $5,000 ($2,000 win ) def. Brandon Visher $4,000
WEC 48 TOTAL DISCLOSED FIGHTER SALARIES: $336,500
*Does not include post fight bonuses $65,000:
- Leonard Garcia and Chang Sung Jung, Fight of the Night
- Ben Henderson, Submission of the Night
- Manny Gamburyan, Knockout of the Night
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“This is our first time doing this, so we don’t know how this is going to do. But yeah, the WEC fighters on this card will make more money than they’ve ever made before.”
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/20/1433849/dana-white-says-that-fighters-on
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Any undisclosed bonuses that a promoter also pays its fighters, but does not disclose to the athletic commissions (specifically, pay-per-view bonuses, fight of the night bonuses, etc.), are not included in the figures below.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=11371&zoneid=2
those numbers can range anywhere from 0 to infinity. considering that only the top UFC guys get any of the PPV, and considering that none of these guys are nearly the draw that people like randy and chuck are…. i’m gonna go out on a limb and say their paydays are probably a bit larger than their bonuses.
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Apr 28, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
read my tag
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Apr 28, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, i take that back
20,000 is a lot more money than they’ve ever made before, considering the past WEC payouts.
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Apr 28, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s psychotic to me how much of a bonus the awards were when compared to their salaries. It’s mental.
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Its not mental
Its business.
10 guys walking away from one night of work with +$10k and a stable promotion. Beats the hell out of overpaying your guys and then going out of business before you can get your third promotion off the ground.
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I didn’t say it was bad, I think it’s awesome. The disparity is just really huge.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 28, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
One night of work??
Are you joking? Training is a full time job for these guys. Most don’t make hardly any money during that time, so in my opinion their paydays are a result of the whole training camp plus the fight. Factor in paying your manager, corner guys, trainers and taxes. They aren’t taking home very much money at all.
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by ANance on Apr 28, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
While you have a real point the only thing they are getting paid for is that one nights worth of work. Guys don’t get paid for anything but the fight and they are free to chose to train as little or as much as they want. I paid tens of thousands of dollars for 6 years of schooling so I could have a career that still doesn’t pay me near what I think I am worth, things are tough all over. At least professional fighters are doing something they love to do for a living but if a fighter got into fighting for the money they made a poor decision right from the start.
Just to add or further illustrate..
Let’s say Aldo made only 40K for the one nights work.. Ok.. so he trained 3 months for the fight.. Either way he made 40K for 3 months worth of work. I know certain cops and teachers with 4 year degree’s that barely make that for 12 months worth of work. He’s making the same amount of money with 1/4 of the time put in…
It’s still not a bad rate of return when you put it into perspective..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
If he made $40k he’s lucky to clear half that after expenses and taxes.
by ufc4 on Apr 28, 2010 3:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
$45k a year is the median income for families in the US, even if he only cleared $20k for on fight he is doing better than the majority of people in the US. Yes by comparison to UFC world champions it’s not that great but by comparison to what the majority of people in the world have to live on he is doing pretty good.
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Wrong.. The highest taxable bracket in the US is 20%.. Most people have to earn over 6 figures a year to remain in that bracket..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Also
People often time over-state the term expenses when regarding fighter pay..
The expenses are merely a cost of doing the business and as such have no factor in the discussion other than discussion on net pay.
For example:
Corporate owners have to pay salaries, annual reporting fee’s, insurances for workers, insurances for business, taxes on the business, workmans comp fee’s, manufacturing and production, distribution, etc.. All these are expenses.. It ’s par for the course of doing business in the market in which they share..
A fighters expenses is no different.. Every business has expenses.. Those should be a non factor as “common knowledge.” You know going in what the total cost of doing business is going to be, if you choose that as acceptable terms, then there can never be any complaints when it comes time to pay said expenses..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
20% Yeah, uh, no. That's not it.
http://www.moneybluebook.com/2010-federal-income-tax-brackets-irs-tax-rates/
Top rate is 35%
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Ok I stand corrected..
But 35% is still less than 50% (which would equate to half)..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
" I know certain cops and teachers with 4 year degree’s that barely make that for 12 months worth of work. "
Tell your friends to slap their guidance counselors.
Actually I just looked and median household income has jumped since the 2005 numbers, we are up to a whopping $50,233. That is half the families in the US(and family quite often means two incomes instead of just one)that make less than $50k a year, should 160,000,000 people slap their guidance counselors?
Oh and just for reference:
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that the median annual guidance or career counselor salary is $49,450.
http://www.allpsychologyschools.com/faqs/guidance-counselor-salary
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that the median annual guidance or career counselor salary is $49,450.
How ironic.
by HarmlessNinja on Apr 28, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you can be a cop and teach well past your 40s.
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Apr 28, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Fighter salaries don’t seem like a lot of money until you add them up at the bottom.
And if it weren’t for the bonus structure being so incentivizing, I’m guessing we wouldn’t have gotten the epic night of fights that we got.
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by casey manrique on Apr 28, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure some of the guys are making extra money on sponsorships. The 4 main event fighters, especially.
by MickDawg on Apr 28, 2010 2:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Every fighter makes money on sponsorships. Why else would they wear shirts and hats covered in sponsor logos and hang a poster with logos behind them?
by HarmlessNinja on Apr 28, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
uh, because those afflictions shirts are very tasteful and artistically pleasing?
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Apr 28, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So much for them being paid like it was a UFC card…
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by Matthew Roth on Apr 28, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like how
Manny Gamburyan is getting paid significantly more than the light weight champ.
he has more name recognition
and as such is more or less more valuable to the promotion than the lightweight champ.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
Manny is a top ten, now top 5 fighter in his weight class.
Ben Henderson is lucky to be considered top 20 at this point.
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Interesting point
and totally correct. It’s a strange dilema in the WEC, that contenders in the weights below LW are all rightly ranked much higher than the champion at LW.
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by Chris Barton on Apr 28, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Another reason ...
To fold the LW division into the UFC.
Manny was on TUF and has that contract.
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by Matthew Roth on Apr 28, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He was also a finalist on TUF 5 (and would have won had he not gotten injured) and they probably just continued his UFC contract. The guy’s a vet with name recognition.
Right...
I’m not sure he takes Diaz in that contest.
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People forget that this is only whats reported to the athletic commisions...
I’m sure many of these guys got paid over and above what’s listed as their “fight purse”..
It’s common knowledge that many fighters make over and above their fight purse when employed by Zuffa.. I’m pretty sure the main draws got PPV %’s and other discretionary bonuses and/or incentives..
Not to mention the additional sponsorship money for being broadcast on Spike and on PPV, etc..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
its common knowlege SOME fighters make over and above their purse when employed by UFC. i’ve not heard any talk of WEC fighters making more than their purse amount. and i would also be curious if any of these fighters got a PPV cut, it probably wasnt in any of their contracts.
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do you really think Faber signed a 7 fight extension for 28k/28k recently without anything extra being officially agreed to and written into the contract?
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Do people really think Randy Couture only makes 250K a fight ?? Or that Liddell only makes 500K a fight ?? Or that Lesnar only makes 350K a fight ??
These are whats mandatory public posting required by the athletic commissions.. I can assure you there is much more money on the table that whats accounted for to the athletic commissions..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
if they did that, why don’t they just pay them a significantly smaller purse upfront, like a lot of the top foreign fighters get?
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by slantedwindows on Apr 28, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Faber more than likely is one of the only fighters, if not the only fighter, on the WEC roster with PPV percentage bonuses.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be so sure of that Leland..
I think you’re being speculative at best.. It takes two to make a fight and the other side of this equation rests in that the other side were current champions. I think it’s be naive to think that only one fighter on the entire roster that night was given any PPV bonus incentive..
No-one in the WEC should have had a PPV percentage in their current contract because PPV wasn’t on the table for any fighter during contract negotiations. It would be much more believable that there is a clause or rider in the contract that increases earning potential for current champions or stars in the even that a PPV arises during their contract terms, such as this one..
I’m pretty confident that everyone down the line got a bump from “traditional contract structure pay” because of the PPV and the ensuing success it brought..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
He shoulda made 75k though.
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah sorry guys, I forgot he made the extra with FOTN bonus, not bad after all!
by Rob J Nathan on Apr 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Uberfail
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
Wrong..
Ben Henderson $26K + $65K submission bonus = $91K total fight money
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Garcia made $2000.00 more than Henderson's total fight money
But I’d be willing to bet in the end that Henderson walked away with more money by being a champion and getting additional sponsorship dollars and opportunities.. etc
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
MTX Audio wasn't on his shorts for free...
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aldo should get
A Muay Thai clinic of the night bonus.
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by Rayce. on Apr 28, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A Pwnage bonus...if you will.
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Flawless victory bonus.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 28, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see the prefight odds
On Manny Gamburyan getting the biggest payday of the night.
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Whatever people may think this was still a WEC event and guys were still getting paid by what their WEC contracts were for. Of course guys probably got paid more for this show in undisclosed bonuses but their athletic commission reported pay isn’t going to change just because the show was a PPV. These numbers are comparable for what every other WEC show payouts are and that is to be expected.
If anything this shows the need for these guys to be in the UFC instead of the WEC.
While agree that it could increase the value of the product by merging...
It’s not a guaranteed solution that it will increase their over-all pay, appeal, etc..
Sure these guys put on exciting fights and offer some fresh faces to the mix.. But I don’t think it will have that great an impact by merging them into the UFC.. In professional boxing, the lighter guys always put on better fights over-all. Some got good exposure from it too.. The likes of Hearns, Robinson, Duran, etc.. And sure those guys got more than their counterparts, but the over-all appeal for all lighter weight fighters didn;t increase and I don’t think it will differ much in this scenario either.. I think they should take the LW’s and put them into the UFC fold.. But leave the WEC in place for the lighter classes..
The appeal is always for the bigger guys by default (majority speaking). While there could be some great additions to the UFC cards, guys like Gamburyan, & Garcia have both had their run in the UFC at one point. Neither were ever boring either.. They just don’t stack up to the divisions current. Putting them in against bigger fighters will blur the lines of their natural appeal value and make it hard to determine who’s worth what..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
One fighter is also getting
One fighter is also getting a cut of the PPV.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
This doesn't make sense. I thought the fight was on PPV so the fighters would make more
These numbers don’t really seem different than any Versus card
by doonerthesooner on Apr 28, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
Faber is in the 3rd fight of a 7 fight contract that pays him 28k/28k. What makes more sense, signing a new contract to change the official purse for one fight, or just paying him more without having to change the existing contract or add more fights, or anything else of that sort?
What were you expecting? Contracted pay is contracted pay regardless of if the show is on PPV or live tv or not shown at all. Unless a fighter has a PPV cut or a specific bonus in their contract then their pay per fight is going to be basically the same regardless of the broadcast method. I actually think that many of these guys did get a small bump in pay for this show but it’s not like all the sudden these guys are going to start making Chuck Liddell/Randy Couture money for this one show. Their contracts are still their contracts.
Faber has said he makes over 6 figures per fight. The WEC wasn’t going to rewrite everyones contract for the PPV, they just paid them larger locker room bonuses.
The idea that most fighters get locker room bonuses is a complete fabrication. Most fighters I’ve talked to get exactly what they are contracted for.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The idea that most fighters get locker room bonuses is a complete fabrication.
Like when Dana cut Rua a check for $200k after his Machida fight? Would’ve like to have seen the look on Rua’s face when he realized it was one of those big fake novelty checks.
by WestbergIDFC on Apr 28, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You must have missed the part where he said “most fighters”.
by ufc4 on Apr 28, 2010 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dana cutting Rua a check was a special situation and we all know it. Its not the norm.
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 28, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And honestly, the fighters getting special perks from Zuffa are not the guys making 5K on the undercard.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The question would be how many of the guys on the main card got extra money, fighters on the undercard aren’t going to make much more than that on any show with any company.
It’s unusual for guys to get any extra money. On this card, one fighter is getting PPV money.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 28, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, no wonder those guys were so excited when Dana announced the amount they would be giving out for bonuses
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As for bonuses. Someone on the UG posted that losers on the main card got 15k extra, and then reed Harris posted “confirmed.”
That could be true, based on the unexpected success and the great card. I will find out if I can. That is not beyond the realm of belief, as people in the company were insanely happy with the show.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 29, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course, keep in mind that people routinely try to lie about these issues. See the Couture-Fertitta dispute as an example. Transparency would really suit Zuffa well here. Every other mainstream sport in America is very upfront about salaries and economic issues and it makes it easier to concentrate on the actual SPORT.
by Jonathan Snowden on Apr 29, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
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