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Post-Hangover Thoughts - WEC 48: Aldo vs. Faber

Jose Aldo lands a kick to Urijah Faber's leg.  (Photo: Jon Kopaloff/Getty)

- April 24 may go down in history as one of the greatest days in the history of combat sports.  MMA delivered arguably the best top-to-bottom show I have ever watched, Carl Froch and Mikkel Kessler put on the fight of the year front runner for boxing when they clashed in the second stage of the Super Six tournament, and Chris Arreola and Tomasz Adamek put on one of the best heavyweight boxing fights of the past few years.  As I write this I feel like I have been spoiled by too much goodness.

- Why don't we just get this out of the way right now?  Yes, I scored the Chan Sung Jung/Leonard Garcia fight for Garcia 29-28.  I have not yet re-watched the fight.  In fact, when it re-aired at the end of the PPV broadcast I just turned my TV off and went to lay in bed and watch the replay of Froch/Kessler.  There was just too much emotion going after arguing about the bout earlier in the night to re-score the bout right then.  I'm perfectly willing to say that I may score the fight differently the next time around.  There's a reason why judges aren't asked to type out detailed descriptions of the action on a website while trying to score the fight, sometimes you miss stuff.  That being said, I thought that Garcia won the second round fairly clearly and in the third round he landed a lot of early leg kicks and while he got hit with more punches than he landed, I thought his punches were the harder and better blows of the round.  I will re-watch and re-score the fight later today and do a piece fully explaining my card.

- The real downside to the Jung/Garcia fight is that fans have lost the ability to simply be entertained and accept that sometimes close decisions don't go the way you want them to. Anyone who says that fight wasn't close is out of their minds, and to focus on the decision rather that be grateful that they were given the chance to see one of the best fights in the history of MMA.  It's sad is all I'm saying.

- One last note on this epic fight: Enjoy it now because pretty soon it will go the way of Bonnar/Griffin where the trendy thing to do is ignore the incredible drama and deride it as semi-exciting sloppy kickboxing and nothing more.

- Anthony Pettis is going to be a handful for anyone in the world to try and handle.  He is looking better every time out.  Alex Karalexis had his lead leg taken away by leg kicks, Pettis used flashy kicks mixed in with very fundamentally strong boxing combinations, and then locked in a really quick triangle for the win.  Pettis is absolutely a guy to keep your eye on.

- I was shocked during the first round of the Antonio Baneulos/Scott Jorgensen fight.  I figured Jorgensen would come in and dominate start to finish, but Banuelos was able to land really sharp left hands and some good combinations while Jorgensen was in headhunting mode.  Before the second round started something must have clicked for Scott as he came out and stopped falling right into that left hand and started to strike rather than slug.  From there on out it was a wonderful performance by Jorgensen.

- As big of a fan of Anthony Njokuani as I am, once it was clear that Shane Roller had no interest in spending as much as 3 seconds of that fight on his feet it was all over.  Njokuani did a respectable job of trying to fight the choke and trying to break the body triangle, but Roller is light years better on the ground and it was just a matter of time before the tap would have to come.  On a side note: how amazing is it that this was probably the most boring fight to make the card?

- Mike Brown looked absolutely awful in the short time before Manny Gamburyan stopped him.  Brown was slow, he wasn't letting his strikes go, his footwork was plodding.  In sharp contrast Gamburyan was unexpectedly light on his feet and, while still looping, his punches looked much improved.  It seemed clear from the opening bell that we were in for an upset but when Manny caught him bending down with that short right hand it was still a real "wow" moment.  I am not shocked at all to hear that Brown had personal issues and was out of camp for some time.

- After the main event ended I felt like I was missing a fight somewhere.  After a few seconds of thought I just remembered that it was the epic rematch between Ben Henderson and Donald Cerrone.  It was a fine fight, but by that point in the night I was so spoiled that I felt like I got cheated by that fight not being another 5 rounds of insane action.  Cerrone has to be moved out of the title picture now.  There aren't many "right now" challengers out there for Henderson's crown.

- Make no mistake, Urijah Faber is one of the best featherweights ever.  Now, keeping that in mind, Jose Aldo put a rare type of hurting on Faber.  Aldo completely blew up Faber's lead leg with low kicks and used a great body attack that was sadly overlooked by most fans and the commentary team.  But it was Aldo's defense that I thought was the most impressive aspect of his game last night.  Faber was throwing his hands trying to make things happen but Aldo kept himself perfectly distanced to avoid the majority of punches thrown and when the distance was closed Aldo used really beautiful head movement to avoid any significant damage.  It wasn't as flashy as the exaggerated movements that Anderson Silva likes to use, but it was just as beautiful in its effectiveness.

- It took actual effort for me to go this long without typing the letters "WEC" (post title excluded).  I can only imagine how much effort it took everyone involved with yesterday's broadcast to not say it.  I expected them to use people tuning in to the broadcast under the "UFC presents" banner as an opportunity to push the WEC brand.  Instead we got an active effort to hide what promotion these men fought for.  At various times we were told that fighters had a specific record "in the cage" or  "in this cage" and time after time we heard references to "The Promotion."  The gloves were blank, the canvas and padding showed no WEC branding, the announcers wouldn't speak the three letters.  It doesn't really upset me (I'm in far too good of a mood after these fights to be upset) but it just strikes me as godawful levels of weird.

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To be honest, I didn’t like Griffin/Bonnar that much, while I loved this one. Maybe it’s because I saw G/B after-the-fact, so I didn’t have any of the inherent “drama” when watching it, but I thought this was a much better fight. More interesting striking – punches, kicks, elbows, knees – knockdowns, and non-stop action. Regardless of the decision, this was a fantastic fight. I just feel bad for Chan Sung Jung.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I have mixed emotions

Though I was entertained by the slugfest that took place I think i would have liked to have seen more shots set up and “good” kickboxing. It was simply a sloppy slugfest. Like I said, I was entertained and Zuffa (don’t know if I’m allowed to call it WEC) got exactly what they wanted from those guys but It was one of those fights that was so awesome for all the wrong reasons. I would rather see that then a boring boxing match though.

Another great night for the WEC/UFC/JosevsFaber/NONAME

Shut up, Tito.

by TruthSeeker1223 on Apr 25, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

"It was one of those fights that was so awesome for all the wrong reasons"

I really don’t like this mentality. I understand geeking out on a technical masterpiece and I do all the time, but I also think you should be able to enjoy an epic fight like Garcia/Jung, WITHOUT QUALIFIERS.

It just strikes me as a very elitist mentality to dismiss what is rightfully being called one of the best fights of the last 10 years because it wasn’t some kind of technical masterpiece.

by Worldisart on Apr 25, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

When I “enjoy a fight for all the wrong reasons”, I think a fight like that should be MST3K material, so-bad-it’s-good. This was a balls-out brawl.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 25, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i understand where you are coming from. Like I said, I enjoyed the fight. I just thought it was very sloppy. I’m not trying to dismiss that they went out there and put on a hell of a fight and put on a great show. I didn’t mean to come off like that.

Shut up, Tito.

by TruthSeeker1223 on Apr 25, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't like Griffin/Bonnar either, but wasn't watching at the time.

I think the same thing could be said for this fight if you watch it in a year or so – because you know what happens, there is much less excitement and drama. Watching it live was just incredible.

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by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recall Rogan saying WEC once during the show I forget when though. I hope this lack of promotion of WEC brand mean UFC is going to suck up the best from WEC.

by Kefka on Apr 25, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

As I understand, they couldn't call it WEC

Versus has contractural rights to the brand in a way that the name could not be used. I could be wrong but this is what I’ve heard.

by Paul Stan on Apr 25, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I know Spike has something to say about it

Spike is very protective of UFC branding on their network and I can’t imagine they wanted the WEC brand being tossed around and muddying the waters.

by Worldisart on Apr 25, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but shouldn’t that concern be irrelevant once the broadcast switches to ppv?

it seems the zuffa party line remains that the wec is not a lesser promotion, and it can stand on it’s own. if so, then why not promote the hell out of it on the ppv?

not really all that concerned about it, as long as they do these ppv cards the same way going forward (maybe twice a year, and completely stacked like this one was).

by woooburn on Apr 25, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I also don’t understand why they didn’t promote the UFC that much either. I never even saw the UFC logo. UFCstore.com or whatever was on the canvas was all that I saw.

Shut up, Tito.

by TruthSeeker1223 on Apr 25, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have an article up on mmajunkie about it. Basically, in order for Spike to show the prelims, they had to remove all mention of WEC from the broadcast, both the prelims and the PPV. Dana thought it would be better for PPV sales to have the prelims on spike and no WEC branding than to have no prelims on free tv and use the WEC branding the whole time. I think he made the right call.

by IWillPartyHard on Apr 25, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'll check that out. not sure i buy it, but i would explain a few things.

by woooburn on Apr 25, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

once again i start a reply with “thanks” and it gets deleted. so weird.

by woooburn on Apr 25, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We’re having some server problems…could be something to do with that.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

no big deal. has happened a couple times over the last few months. i just like to assume the b.e. overlords are anti manners.

by woooburn on Apr 25, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weird. I’m looking at your history (with our special tools that see everything) and you haven’t had a comment legitimately hidden or deleted since December.

Is it only when you start a comment with “thanks?”

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup. “thanks.” specifically. probably just someone trying to convince me to use the shift key once in awhile.

by woooburn on Apr 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

good find. thanks for the info. That’s what I figured was the reason but with the power that Dana seems to have you would have thought he could have done something about it.

Shut up, Tito.

by TruthSeeker1223 on Apr 25, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dana doesn't have the power to change contract law

Which I assume this all comes down to the contracts with Spike, VS and whoever their PPV carrier is.

by Worldisart on Apr 25, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blasphemy!

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by duck on Apr 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The WEC name was on the poster, though?

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by Mike Fagan on Apr 25, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved this ppv and I’m glad I decided to get it. The fighting was fast and furious and we almost ended up with every fight being shown. I did stick around to re-watch the Garcia v KZ fight and I still have KZ winning the fight but it did’nt take away from the evening one bit. Jose Aldo (which is one of my favorite fighters) looked like Silva light. I wish he would have finished the fight but 4 rounds of absolute domination was good. By time the five round came around it was all but over.

by darkside3744 on Apr 25, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Front runner for event of the year

It’s going to be tough for anyone to go out and top this card. Top to bottom, a refreshingly entertaining card and it really helped reaffirm why I became a fan of MMA.

by Worldisart on Apr 25, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

After the last two UFC PPVs and the Strikeforce debacle

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I drove 8 hours to go to the Strikeforce event to see a bunch of main event fighters lay on top of each other, so it was totally refreshing watching a bunch of lighter fighters who made some exciting fights and weren’t overly concerned with winning to the extent that it dulled the fight.

That Leonard Garcia v Jung fight was the most exciting fight I’ve seen in a long time. What a great card!

by Paul Stan on Apr 25, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if we're lucky

They’ll merge the UFC into the WEC.

by John Nash on Apr 25, 2010 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm really torn on this after last night.

I’m a fan of the UFC but I believe there isn’t another MMA promotion on the face of the planet that delivers the level of quality withe the consistency of the WEC.

I think if it became a part of the UFC it would lose a great deal of its charm and the product would become very watered down.

by Worldisart on Apr 25, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I really enjoy seeing fight cards with only lighter weight classes. Adding in a sloppy heavyweight fight to a WEC card would bring down the product.

by IWillPartyHard on Apr 25, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i c wat u did there. lol.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Apr 25, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one thing that stood out to me about Aldo’s performance is his top control on the ground. While we don’t know what he is like off his back, it looks as if he has the ability to finish on the ground (using the crucifix or taking the back, but who knows what else) as well as standing. A rematch of Roller vs Henderson does not interest me at all, and the reason for that is that it is a bad stylistic matchup for Roller.
I don’t really know what happens to Faber. He will still be popular, but I don’t know who he will fight next. I wonder if Faber can cut to 135?
I think that Jorgensen will get the next crack at Cruz over Benevidez. Jorgensen vs Cruz is more of a fresh matchup.
Gamburyan is most likely next in line to fight Aldo, and I can’t see Gamburyan having much of a chance.
The absence of the WEC name/logo is very odd, but like most others, it isn’t something that is offending or anything, but just strange. I wonder if there is any deeper meaning behind that absence.

by chrisbboy82 on Apr 25, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

i think Urijah will be the Rich Franklin of the 145’s. Beat everyone but the champ. He got destroyed last night. I’d be interested to see how many punches Urijah landed.

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by TruthSeeker1223 on Apr 25, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone but the champ? What about Mike Brown?

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by Richard Wade on Apr 25, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Faber has said he can make 135.

by JRN on Apr 25, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No love for Demetrious Johnson?

He looked really good against Pickett, even with the notable size disadvantage. He couldn’t overcome the size disadvantage, but once the flyweight division gets set up I think he could be one of the guys to beat at 125. Pickett is just a beast at BW, definitely a guy to keep your eye on – Pickett/Mizugaki would be a hell of a fight to put on.

Chad Mendes looked good against a tough Anthony Morrison too, picking his spot and quickly taking it to the ground and securing a TIGHT guillotine – Henderson would be proud. Unfortunately Morrison is probably gone now seeing as how this is his second quick submission loss, but I’m sure with time he’ll be back. Mendes could fight a number of mid-tier opponents next, but a matchup with Paixao might allow us to see where his striking and sub defense is.

Let’s be honest, how many people picked Njokuani simply because he was a flashy striker and ignored his deficiencies on the ground? Against a powerful wrestler like Roller it was really only a matter of when it would go to the ground, not if. Roller’s top game looked very good, and Njokuani has a lot of work to do on his BJJ and TDD. Like you said, Njokuani/Cerrone makes a lot of sense right now.

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by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Er...

Actually Fightlinker suggested the Njokuani/Cerrone match, but I still like it a lot. Cerrone likes to stay standing until his opponent takes him down, and I think Njokuani would beat the hell out of him on the feet. Plus I’m a sucker for rematches from regional shows.

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by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather see Varner/Njokuani honestly…but Varner is a little big busy getting ready to lose his next fight. After that I would think Varner/Njokuani would be a lot of fun

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think Varner-Njokuani would be a lot different than the Roller fight?

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by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it doesn't

then Njokuani better ask Varner why he came to grapple instead of fight.

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by pdl on Apr 25, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn…beat me by a second.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I was Njokuani I would bait him over and over about that comment because he murders Varner in the standup but will get taken down and controlled at will if Varner goes with a smart gameplan.

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by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. Varner wants to stand and trade. And at least if he took Njokuani down then he could never cry after fights like Henderson that the guy “just wanted to grapple”

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wants to stand and trade when he has an advantage striking. After watching Njokuani crush guys standing and then pose no threat on the ground there is very little chance Varner would risk exchanging before shooting for the double leg.

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by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember how Varner took Cerrone down at will? I’m pretty sure the exact same thing would happen to Njokuani, plus he wouldn’t be as active off of his back as Cerrone was and he wouldn’t have 5 rounds to hit him cleanly. Cerrone/Njokuani is more compelling to me as I think Cerrone will have problems with anyone who can outstrike him on the feet, which Njokuani could do easily.

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by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

We've seen Njokuani/Cerrone once before...

i mean, it was three years ago…but still…it’s happened once before.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

that being said...

it sounds like I’m opposed to that fight happening. I’m not. I just think it’d be funny if Varner went strictly wrestle-y because people could call him on his bullshit.

Honestly, Aldo/Njokuani would be amazing if Aldo is serious about going up to 155.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you’re speaking my language. I’d be extremely excited for that fight.

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by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

if he came up to 155 I think you could give him one “test the waters” fight against Njokuani (because it’d be amazing) and then have him fight Henderson (assuming he’s the champ at that point)

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henderson-Aldo is the biggest card the WEC has left to play right now. Definitely would be good enough to headline another PPV.

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by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

We?

I don’t know about you, but I wasn’t present at Ring of Fire 29. Listen, guys improve, and I’m sure Njokuani would love to have the opportunity to avenge that loss, especially considering the name value Cerrone has in the shallow WEC LW division.

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by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha...

sorry man. Yeah, I meant to write about Pickett/Johnson also but I completely forgot. It was a good fight and Johnson looked solid, but Pickett has improved a TON lately.

And to Cerrone/Njokuani…I would love to see a rematch. I just would rather see Varner/Njokuani.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was there

and it was Cerrone’s first real test against a guy he didnt tower over. Cowboy was getting his ass handed to him until he pulled out the win.

This is a perfect rematch. Both guys are exciting, but they are what they are. I think Henderson could actually compete in the UFC, while these guys would just put on entertaining fights.

by BJJDenver on Apr 25, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is good;
The real downside to the Jung/Garcia fight is that fans have lost the ability to simply be entertained and accept that sometimes close decisions don’t go the way you want them to. Anyone who says that fight wasn’t close is out of their minds, and to focus on the decision rather that be grateful that they were given the chance to see one of the best fights in the history of MMA. It’s sad is all I’m saying.

But Im disappointed to see that your gonna cave to the negativity by giving yourself an out;

I’m perfectly willing to say that I may score the fight differently the next time around.

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by SimplePsych on Apr 25, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t use the man whose last words are “Don’t let it end like this. Tell them I said something” as an example of taking a stand.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 25, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s very possible I score the fight exactly the same. My point is that when I rewatch the fight, without having of look away to make sure my formatting and everything is still okay, or turning my attention to correct a misspelling..etc i may see something that tilts a close round the other way. Not saying that I’m GOING to change the scoring.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What I get from this is “I wasn’t focused on the fight and that’s why my scoring was so bad”.

by Toolshed on Apr 25, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

…whatever

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

If what you get from that is that I bust my ass and give up full enjoyment of the cards to provide live results for the readers of this site then you’re just being an ignorant jerk.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

dammit...correction

*if what you get from that is anything other than that I bust my ass….

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, for one, appreciated it. I didn’t catch the live event due to a date night with my bride. Well done.

Did you see the size of that chicken?

by Heenan on Apr 25, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Toolshed should start running the live PBP

Clearly you are unqualified because you scored a close fight in an unpopular way whilst multitasking BLOODY ELBOW MORE LIKE BLOODY STUPID

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by Tedd Welch on Apr 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also:

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by Tedd Welch on Apr 25, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was a great card for the fans.

It also was a remarkable accomplishment for the group of fighters who made the event great. I would hope that we don’t get too bogged down in the controversial decision thing. There’s certainly room for debate with good points to be made on both sides, but to call it a “robbery” only minimizes instances where that particular word is an appropriate descriptor.

“Weird” is probably the best word I can think of to describe the effort undertaken to hide a certain acronym.

by Cannon Jacques on Apr 25, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Aldo has more of Rampage style of stand-up defense. Unlike Anderson he rather blocks punches with his elbows than slips and ducks them.

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by Venom77 on Apr 25, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

You can enjoy a fight and still be unhappy with the decision

Decisions matter, who wins matters. Maybe I’m a bad fan but I will never be able to 100% enjoy a fight if I think the wrong fighter won. I can’t think of a single sport that I could watch and just shrug off a situation where the wrong person won.

I also understand the subjectivity involved in the sport and the uncertainty that can exist in very close fights, or fights that involve two styles that may be scored differently (take downs vs. damage from the bottom, for instance).

The Jung fight just didn’t seem that close to me. This wasn’t Shogun vs. Machida… it wasn’t even a situation where some people were scoring one type of striking more than another. Sure, both guys did well; but I saw one fighter clearly do better than the other.

Also people need to stop constantly complaining about people using the term robbery. That is becoming as annoying as people constantly using the term robbery.

by ruckus on Apr 25, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Also people need to stop constantly complaining about people using the term robbery. That is becoming as annoying as people constantly using the term robbery.

People who complain about people complaining about complainers are just as annoying as the complainers complaining about the term robbery.

by MMAGuard on Apr 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on now, don’t be contentious. He has a valid point. A close decision can not be called robbery. Chase/Beebe and the like can.

by castleeb on Apr 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

complain about people complaining about complainers are just as annoying as the complainers complaining

my brain just shut down

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by Tonley on Apr 25, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody else feel unsurprised by the Mike Brown fight?

I think he’s a good featherweight, but I’ve been scratching my head at his inclusion in P4P top ten lists like the Sherdog one.

I’ve always felt size and physicality have been the cornerstones of his success, and against someone as rangy and explosive as Aldo or a human cannonball like Manvel that alone didn’t get him very far (oddly, this bout also puts him at 0-2 against TUF5 alumni, with a previous loss to J-Lau).

by LBo on Apr 25, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

If he loses to Berube we’ll know for sure.

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by Ubernoober on Apr 25, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

THE MONSTAH LOBSTAH

"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn

by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

THE CRUSTACEAN SENSATION!

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by Ubernoober on Apr 25, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

GOD OF THE ARTHROPODS

"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn

by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

THE FIGHTIN' CHITIN

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by Tedd Welch on Apr 25, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

...damn. You win.

"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn

by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interestingly, 2 of 3 judges scored the pun battle for you. I feel like I got robbed, but fightmetric has remained silent thus far.

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by Tedd Welch on Apr 25, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t rely on Fightmetric though; where’s the heart? I think a rematch in in order.

by verloc on Apr 25, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll have to do a rematch someday where I blow you out of the water in the first.

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by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Best night evar!

1 The Ottawa Shitators get knocked out of the playoffs
2 FOTY, we need a best of 7 series between Garcia/Jung
3 Manvel the Anvil can’t be stopped, bro.
4 The guy who does yoga, drinks chai tea, reads books, and spends a ton of time at church beats the guy whose sole purpose in life is to appear as baddass as possible.
5 Welcome to the Aldo era.

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by Ubernoober on Apr 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah more Crysby just what the NHL wanted ( and will do whatever it takes to insure). God I hate the Pens.

by darkside3744 on Apr 25, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crysby?

The kid is 22 and has already punched his ticket to the Hall of Fame. I don’t understand what the NHL has to do with it?

by Worldisart on Apr 25, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cause they’ve been shoving him down our throats since he came into the league. With out a doubt they have hitched their wagon and as a Flyers fan its my right to hate on him at every turn. Oh and he crys alot.

by darkside3744 on Apr 25, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet that OT gold medal winning goal must have stung a lot too. =)

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by Ubernoober on Apr 25, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still celebrating

The party hasn’t stopped here.

Go CANADA Go!!!

by Worldisart on Apr 25, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have it DVRed

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by Ubernoober on Apr 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

The wife’s not happy about it either. She wanted to delete to record something like Survivor or some garbage like that. I told her deleting the gold medal game was grounds for divorce.

by Worldisart on Apr 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

“If you delete this I’m going to have your grandmother’s wedding ring melted down for bullion.”

Was that the gist of the discussion?

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by Ubernoober on Apr 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something along those lines...

Oh and I get to keep all 5 seasons of the Wire. I think I may have to get some kind of contractual thing with her in regards to the gold medal game and the Wire.

by Worldisart on Apr 25, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m waiting to see if it comes out on dvd.

by darkside3744 on Apr 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was prying for anybody on either team to score that goal.

by darkside3744 on Apr 25, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

This note’s for you

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by Ubernoober on Apr 25, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I know we boo Santa and throw batteries but one thing we don’t do is kill our wives and then atempt to cover it up by burning our houses down.

by darkside3744 on Apr 25, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a Detroit thing.

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by Ubernoober on Apr 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice very nice. I don’t care for them either.

by darkside3744 on Apr 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the problem – Donald only appears to be badass…

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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 25, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who plays the part of Shogun in this Era?

"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn

by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manvil the Anvil

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by Ubernoober on Apr 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manny is in deep shit against Aldo. I’m just glad he KO’d Brown so easily so the betting odds will be manageable and I can but a grand on Aldo.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy from Prison Break

by darkside3744 on Apr 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

jung garcia not even close

wow that fight was close? are you people blind? o Jung clearly won all 3 rounds …..
2nd round was the closest, but Jung clearly won it.

If you thought otherwise please go read the rules, throwing air punches and air kicks and getting hit flush 8 times for each 1 punch you land is not enough to win the fight…. and Garcia almost got choked too. That was as close as diego shancez vs clay guida…… and people there thought guida won too.. sigh

Leonard Garcia should have lost his last 5 fights….. but he is 2-2-1. It’s fucking outrageous.

by theveej on Apr 25, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

calm down bro

I had it scored for Jung, too, but seriously……it was a close fight. Now we get a rematch! Everyone wins!

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by kenpoboy67 on Apr 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Worth noting:

Torrent sites have about twice as many seeds for WEC 48 as any other WEC event does immediately after airing. I’m inclined to say word of mouth helped, since I called every one of my casual fan friends and told them to watch this somehow, but it may just be the people who didn’t watch and would wait a day. Still worth noting.

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by pdl on Apr 25, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Aldo needs to move up to 155 if only to prepare himself for jumping to the big leagues. The WEC is the minor leagues in both coverage and compensation (I don’t think it should be this way but thats the way it is). I’d love to see Aldo and Ben Henderson inject some serious life into the Lightweight division in the UFC.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Henderson benefits greatly from being one of the better wrestlers/top control grapplers in the WEC.

I think almost any UFC LW wrestler would beat him pretty bad. Aldo I’m not sure about, he might be a special fighter but he also might just get wrestle humped by a mid-level guy like Guida.

"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn

by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I worry about the wreslehump thing too but his BJJ is nasty and would at the very least give those wrestlers pause before attempting to take the fight to the ground

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Referring to Aldo.

As far as Henderson goes I don’t think hes a title contender (right now) but I’d love to see him fight Sherk, Batman or Guida.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t even think of Sherk anymore, I’m under the impression that his knees are so shot that he can’t go for takedowns like he used to which makes him near irrelevant to me.

Batman and Guida would fuck Henderson up, but I think it would be worth it just to see what Henderson says when he loses. “Like I said before, I can do all things through Christ except beat a better grappler. CAN I GET AN AMEN?!”

"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn

by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aldo has plenty of time to move up. He’s only 23. I don’t think he could take BJ, Kenny, Maynard, but those guys are all 7-8 years older than him, so Aldo should just keep cleaning out 145 for a couple more years, get beefed up slowly, and then move up

by Stillberry on Apr 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I think Aldo-Florian would be one of the most interesting match-ups that Zuffa could put on right now (and if Aldo wins than Aldo-BJ because the most interesting fight available).

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

UFC just needs to add 145ers

by BJJDenver on Apr 25, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhere in NJ, Frankie Edgar spits out his drink as the hype trailer says "move up and challenge BJ"

Admittedly, I’m sure the Dana White segment for Aldo was just taped before UFC 112. But he sure wasn’t saying “move up and challenge the winner of Edgar-Penn” at the time

by LBo on Apr 25, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Great event. I’m glad the lighter guys are finally getting some decent attention and money.

Very well pointed, Brent… We all know Aldo’s offense, and top position control is something we could predict given his BJJ credentials.
But really, his sense of distance and defense was something extraordinary. Not as flashy as AS, but very effective.

by frozzen on Apr 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Brent, this isn’t necessarily directed at you because I’ve heard a lot of people with the same complaint, but if the Benderson-Cowboy fight had gone five rounds there’d be a million people bitching that there wasn’t a finish. Instead there’s a quick, decisive ending and people bitch that the fight didn’t go longer. Sometimes there is no pleasing MMA fans.

by ufc4 on Apr 25, 2010 5:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

no…there really isn’t.

I enjoyed the short fight I just almost felt like it didn’t happen.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean it definitely wasn’t the most memorable fight of the night, but I was happy that Benderson won in such a decisive fashion.

by ufc4 on Apr 25, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a beautifully executed guillotine. Cerone put both of his hands in his face trying to push him off but the squeeze was deadly tight. Very impressed.

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by timetosaygoodbye on Apr 26, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Photo needs an audio caption also…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2oPI7nGveA&feature=related

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by fedorade on Apr 25, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I though jung/garcia was pretty damn close but I scored it for jung one thing I have issues with is jung would have won rd 2 clearly if not for the restart for garcias mouthguard jung had him up against cage pounding on him after the restart it gave garcia the space he needed and the offence turned immediatly

by ldglass on Apr 25, 2010 6:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

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