FightMetric Report for WEC 48's Chan Sung Jung vs. Leonard Garcia
by Mike Fagan on Apr 25, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
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I admit it: for all intents and purposes, I missed the front runner for fight of the year the first time around. As my friends left for a party, I fired up a stream of the Spike prelims in order to get in a few games of NHL 10. I chalked it up to hyperbole when I heard Goldberg and Rogan losing their minds two minutes in. When the Hyperbole Train hadn't checked into the station at the end of round two, I knew I had missed something good.
Oops. Not only did I miss unnamed organization's Griffin-Bonnar moment, it turns out the judges royally messed up the decision.
Before we dive into the FightMetric stats, here's how some of the top MMA media members scored the bout:
Brent Brookhouse scored it 29-28 Garcia (Jung won round 1)
The Sherdog Staff (Breen, Fridley, and DeSantis) scored it unanimously 30-27 Jung
Ray Hui (MMA Fighting) scored it 29-28 Jung (Garcia won round 3)
MMA Weekly scored it 28-28 draw (Jung won round 1 10-8, Garcia won rounds 2 and 3)
MMA Junkie scored it 29-28 Jung (Garcia won round 3)
Josh Gross (Sports Illustrated) scored it 29-28 Jung (no round-by-round)
Brent Brookhouse will be playing the part of Douglas Crosby.
A lot of people thought the judging was wildly incorrect. First, let's take a look at the FightMetric Effectiveness Scores and their extrapolated ten-point must decision:
| Garcia | Jung | TPM | |
| Round 1 | 53 | 198 | 10-9 J |
| Round 2 | 160 | 158 | 10-10 |
| Round 3 | 110 | 145 | 10-9 J |
| Total | 323 | 515 | 30-28 J |
Eek, not looking good for the judges.
The raw striking stats throw some sand on the fire. For the fight as a whole, Jung outlanded Garcia in every category with the exception of leg kicks, including total strikes (106-71) and HiPer strikes (78-52).
Jung dominated round one. He outlanded Garcia 51-18 (36-10 HiPer strikes) including a clear knockdown during the fracas. I saw Garcia missing a lot of strikes during the round, but even I am surprised by the "elusiveness" of the Korean Zombie.
It's rounds two and three that make the fight difficult to score and keep it from becoming an Easton/Beebe level of robbery. Jung outlanded Garcia 32-25 in the second frame, but landed a virtually equal number of HiPer strikes. Garcia outlanded Jung in round three, though Jung landed the more effective power shots to the head (13-8).
It should be pointed out that Jung took Garcia's back in the middle of round two, albeit briefly.
As usual, this isn't the travesty some might make it out to be, though Jung, in my mind, is the "rightful" winner.
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I felt like there was a clear distinction between winner and loser here and I had the fight scored 30-27 Jung. Though round two could have easily gone the other way, rounds one and three were Jung’s. When I heard the scores being called out and knew it was a split, my heart sank. Pretty terrible decision.
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One thing I noticed during the fight: Jung looked like a car was hitting him anytime Garcia landed. Might have made Garcia’s striking look more effective cageside?
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You know, that’s very possible. Some of the people I was watching it with felt that way, too (“wow, Garcia is hitting him so hard!”), until I started to describe how I felt the fight was going.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If my little sister winds up that far
The punch is going to hurt. Getting caught by so many of those ludicrous off-balance bombs was borderline shameful on Jung’s part, but he still easily won the fight.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Power factors into the scoring a lot...
It’s not Fighter A lands 20 punches, Fighter B lands 14. 20 is more than 14, fighter A wins.
This is where a method like Fight Metric can’t tell the whole story. I wasn’t blind to the fact that Jung landed more but I thought Garcia was landing more “important” punches. Effectiveness is more than volume.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that, but I still believe Jung was landing the more “important” punches. Aside from the two punches Garcia landed at the beginning of round two, Jung closed it out by landing unanswered to Garcia’s face – even if Garcia was showboating – and he also had Garcia’s back. While in the third, the round was fairly even until the ending part where Jung started to completely mug Garcia.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
I know power factors a lot into it
BUT my perspective from the fight is that the two meaningful events was a) Garcia being knocked down in the first b) Garcia taking shot after shot in the 3rd and looked dazed but not out. I feel as though while Jung was rocked in the 2nd it nowhere was the level of how badly Garcia was hurt in the fight. (Countless number of times where Garcia was “rocked”).
The only real thing I can equate to “power” is that Garcia had worse technique, otherwise from the fight I can’t really say if Fighter A has more power then Fighter B. Only if something happens when the punches are put to the face can you say X has more power and I thought more happened when Jung punched Garcia. That’s my opinion.
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Came into this thread pretty much for this. Jung’s knees wobbled from those shots in the second. He hit some good punches to close out that round, but none of those seemed anywhere near as damaging. Blame Garcia’s constitution (he does not have an iron chin, however, so I doubt that – witness the Brown fight) or Jung’s lack of power if that’s the case, but that’s how I give the 2nd to Garcia.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot one thing Mike:
Fightmetric is also a judge who’s view of the fight is an opinion (albeit a studied one), not a fact.
Guillotine.
No idea, I sadly have not been able to watch MMA for a while now. Just pointing out something that needs to be taken into context.
Guillotine.
Not sure how you can call the fightmetric stats “opinion” though. There may be hints of subjectivity in the algorithm for effectiveness scores, but the actual raw data is a purely objective output. At least, it’s the best possible resource we have currently available.
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by Mike Fagan on Apr 25, 2010 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it's not opinion...
but it’s a very iffy method to use to “prove” scoring one way or the other. Just like compubox is never proof of the scoring of a boxing match despite being a great tool
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Best possible resource to count number of strikes landed and thrown, yes, but not the best method to determine the winner of a fight.
This goes to you and Brent…
People always come in and say similar things in the comments, but I don’t ever claim “here are the FightMetric stats, they are gospel, judges are stupid.” I try to add in some sort of context from the fight and lately have gathered scorecards from the big MMA sites.
I use the numbers to put my own opinion/the majority opinion into context. I’m not saying, “Jung won because FightMetric said so.” I’m saying, “I had Jung winning; others had Jung winning. These numbers, in addition to our own observations, support our scoring.”
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I'm aware of that...
My thing is aimed more at people who use them as a “see?!” type of “proof” than you, who I am well aware understands their value.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy Crap
Where the hell have you been?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 25, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure he’s getting slaughtered by a new job, but I’m not sure.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s been so long since he had even logged in, I was wondering if it was prison.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 25, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I mention he’s making license plates?
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
whoawhoa
what have you been up to recently?
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 25, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hometown Judging
I hate to say it but I called it that Garcia would get the nod. Like it or not I believe there is American bias in judging, particularly against Asian fighters.
I agree
I know it sounds terrible, but I get anxious when one of my favorite Asian fighters goes to the scorecards in the US. This was clearly one of those times.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
like Akiyama beating Belcher
in Vegas? The one that Rogan screamed to hell about?
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I brought that same fight up last night. Rogan was going bonkers over that particular fight because he’s buddies with Eddie Bravo.
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blecher and him have trained before
or so I’ve been told
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at a bar watching the fight with no sound, so I didn’t have any annoucer hype to sway my opinion. It looked to me like 29-28 Jung. I was amazed when I saw Garcia’s hands go up in victory. Garcia to me looked gassed and like he was throwing Hail Mary passes the whole fight.
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by ANance on Apr 25, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That’s how Garcia fights.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
Garcia pulled a Frankie Edgar
He was dancing around the whole fight and was more active. He tricked the judges.
Do you guys seriously think the judge count every single punch that is thrown?
Looked like that to me too.
Jung comfortably won round 1 with the knockdown, but I gave round 2 to Garcia based on the knockdown at the beginning and most other strikes being even. I thought round 3 would be the round that was in contention, because while Garcia threw more he was obviously missing Jung a lot and when Jung did start throwing, he connected a bunch and wobbled Garcia more than once. I’m convinced that Garcia taking the third has to have something to do with the judges not being able to see the action clearly and thus thinking Garcia connected much more than he did.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 25, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a pretty poo decision. Aside from early in round 2, Jung comfortably won every meaningful exchange, landing 2-1 or sometimes even 3-1 in those exchanges.
I feel bad for the Korean Zombie, but hell they’ll probably do it again.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
He was slipping almost all of Garcia’s heaviest strikes. That third round amazed me. He’s got such an awkward style, with an oddly fitting (and fantastic) nickname.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what bothers me about this decision. I thought his head movement was fantastic. Nobody shucks while throwing bombs like that. I thought that’s what would be the story coming out, but instead Garcia won another questionable decision. Honestly, on my scorecards Garcia hasn’t one a fight since Pulver.
Totally
I love Jung, but this was a performance unlike any other I’ve seen from him— mostly due to the fact that he was facing such a fearsome striker and was able to just stay inside and somehow weave around and land more blows during exchanges. This sort of goofy but effective maneuvering is prime time stuff for a Judo Chop, if it’s even possible to extract the technical merits of his performance, being that it was so bizarre but impressive.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hindsight is always 20/20...
I say it was a close fight.. I would have had it draw when watching live.. watching it again on replay if you go strictly by strike count, Jung should win.. However, that’s always 20/20.. During the event live, it’s hard to see every angle and every strike and trying to determining the effectiveness of said stike in a brawling exchange as they were engaged in numerous times..
One thing the judges could have taken into consideration, from Garcia’s previous track record in fights is that he bangs; a lot. He was never in serious danger of being put away and the judges probably knew that as well. All things considered, I still way it was a close fight and they both rocked each other and they put did damage to each other.. Whats the one point always stressed before a fight ??
If you don’t want to deal with the off chance of being on the wrong end of a decision.. Don’t leave it in the judges hands.. They both fought their hearts out, but neither was robbed.. They both took a chance and there has to be a winner and a loser.. Maybe it was bias judging.. But I’d speculate it the same type of bias judging held in Pride and other Japanese organizations.. If you’re in Russia as an American, and you’re fighting a Russian.. Chances are there is going to be bias.. If you’re Michael Bisping and you’re fighting Hamill in the UK.. the facts are there is going to be bias judging.. It’s the nature of the game..
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Well
You’re clearly in the minority for how the fight was viewed live.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is fine..
Just because there is a majority and a minority doesn’t mean the majority is automatically fact.
While in this case, the hindsight is proven at 20/20.. Just as I demonstrated.. But to claim it a close fight during the live showing, it’s merely a subjective topic.. There was no right or wrong at that point..
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by MMAuthority on Apr 25, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Who said anything about facts?
The only facts when it comes to this is strike counts. Sooo…..
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Strike counts aren't part of the judges total criteria during a live judging..
They don’t have a stat analysis calculated to discern their picks from.. They have to go off cuff..If one looks like he did more in the fight, he may have been given the nod..
There is no argument.. Get off it..
I’m saying, it was a close fight watching it live.. This is a fact.. Because others more than myself saw it as I did. As far as looking “back” now the next day and getting a full striking analysis, sure Jung should have been awarded the decision based on strike count.. I don’t see where anyone feels like I’m defending Garcia here ??
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by MMAuthority on Apr 25, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Get off it?
You’re making it worse, hombre. And totally avoiding my point, while you’re at it. You’re saying that viewer perception isn’t fact. Well, strike counts are fact, coupled with the prevailing opinion of viewers.
And honestly, at no point have I said anything about you defending Garcia. Stay with me.
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You need to change your sig Blackout:
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m saying, it was a close fight watching it live.. This is a fact..
Actually thats an opinion as well.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Didn’t want to say it.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t leave it in the judges’ hands
I really hate that saying.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
Yeah… While true in a sense, it’s too basic and said too often.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
But yet.. far too often turns out to be a truth of a situation like this..
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by MMAuthority on Apr 25, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
A truth?
It’s a generalization that could be applied to any decision. Doesn’t exactly make you sit and think for a time.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The fact its a wildly accepted that judges are spazzzes is the first problem and secondly, that its the decision of the fighter on whether or not to leave it in the judges hands.
“Either go finish the fight or go out on your shield”,
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
You don't get bonus points for being able to take a beating.
Garcia suffered the only knockdown in the fight and was on the wrong side of the only serious sub attempt of the fight. He was staggered in every round (though Jung got wobbled a few times himself) and never controlled the cage.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Controlling the cage...
is a dangerous thing to assume. I think it was pretty clear that Garcia wanted to be on the outside using lateral movement. Just because he wasn’t the one walking forward doesn’t mean he was out of control.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, but cage control is supposed to be factored into the scoring, and I can’t see how you give that stat to Garcia in any round. He’s not exactly a master counter-puncher, and at points in the third ended up backpedaling much more more than circling.
I should probably stop harping on this. It was a great fight, I suspect the organization will take care of Jung, and I guess I don’t mind suffering through one or two more of Garcia’s sloppy displays before he’s cut, but I’m really perplexed by how much debate there is over this.
I almost always find myself agreeing with your scoring, and I just am having a hard time understanding how a lot of people on this board who I respect saw the fight so differently.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 25, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Perception is Reality
I watched the fight with sound and narrowly scored it for Garcia.
Garcia was kyaing loudly and really throwing himself into his kicks (and his sloppy punches) which may have given the impression to judges that he was working harder.
In this fight, the Korean Zombie’s stoic demeanor may have cost him the decision.
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all 3 judges gave rd3 to garcia
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Finally came down off of my WEC 48 High and rewatched the fight
I had it 29-28 Jung last night but I was wrong. It’s a clear 30-27 Jung UD.
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Yeah that’s how I saw it. Hell, I think the 2nd was more obvious than the 3rd on a second viewing.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
screwed by the judges fight bonus
i really think zuffa should make a “screwed fighter of the night” fight bonus because it seems to me this stuff is getting frequent. Like each card has one fight where in someone gets screwed.
There is sometimes such a thing
They would never publicize it. That would be foolish.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
true
yeah, i know they wont do such a thing, all im saying is that, its getting more frequent each card and they seem to be just ignoring it. I mean come on, when are they gonna actually do something about it. Id be actually happy to hear some effort on it.
Their hands are tied
Not a whole lot that can be done. Judging is the responsibility of the athletic commission and Zuffa is the one doing the promoting/matchmaking.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The only way I can see officiating improving in the near term is for Zuffa to start raising an unholy stink about it.
After the next bad decision, Dana should just wave his arms around and scream. Now that gets shit done.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 26, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
For me
Round 2 was a clear Jung
I give Garcia a very difficult round 2
and I give Jung a very difficult round 3
29-28 Jung
The upside is we might see a rematch after both guys heal their broken hands!
Round 2 was a clear Jung
I give Garcia a very difficult round 2.
WTF?
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it's clear that he meant round 1 was a clear jung
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Your clarity is so…clear
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
I had a clear Jung once
It was awesome.
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Zombie won all three rounds; but I could see the case for the second round going to Garcia. I will say Garcia seemed to be dropping the bigger bombs; but not enough of them to outweigh the amount of hits he was taking from Zombie, not to mention he seemed rocked a few times himself.
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Slugfest of the year maybe.
While I was entertained by this fight, I didn’t find it all that interesting and definitely not a great display of skilland technique. I wouldn’t call it fight of the year.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this gif pretty much sums up the fight
by Toolshed on Apr 25, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
This is a microcosm of what I saw, for sure.
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Yup, Garcia putting his hands down and smiling while zombie hit him. Garcia won for sure.
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Having the Homer Simpson thick skull gene shouldn’t win as points on a judges scorecard.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
He's tough but not possessing of an iron chin
Witness the Brown fight and how he got clobbered in that.
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by Cory Braiterman on Apr 25, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't
use Brown’s power as a basis for someone’s beard. Brown is enormous for this weight class and posses a bit of power that isn’t common for 145. If you look back to the Huerta fight at 155 Garcia proves he has a pretty good chin. His chin may not be granite (i.e. Rampage and bj penn) but it’s pretty solid.
That said there were a few times Jung hurt him bad, what kept him standing was determination. Make no mistake about it, it wasn’t that Jung wasn’t lighting him up, it was him refusing to fall.
Jesus
It looks like you could make this just loop infinitely. Those guys fought like they were brawling over the pointiest spear back before humans developed the ability to feel pain and the fight or flight instinct.
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And Jung barely even got touched in those backed up exchanges… shitty judging :(
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by Patrick Tenney on Apr 25, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Whats funny is this is the 3rd decision that Garcia should of lost in a year and won some how. The Roop and Massouh fights were total robberies also.
by Shocbomb on Apr 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
asd
man the Korean Zombie was never fucken knocked down on the second round people need to open their eyes he gets wobbled a bit but its looks much worse that it was cuz KZ was windmilling than he trips on his feet. And after that KZ pretty much devoured Garcia’s brain in that round . KZ easily won every single round seriously this shit is not debatable unless your a Mexican with a texas drawl and feel some kind of kinship to garcia.
This petty, biased arguing over decisions is getting old
Its a highly subjective science fraught with countless variables and based on endless individual perspective’s of reality. Why all the ego driven, biased fervor?. Did you armchair experts think your wrote the bible of MMA or something?
Maybe its just me but 90% of the arguing over decisions would go away if the judges just did there job right, I blind man could see that Jung won this fight, And Bad decisions are happening more and more in MMA. It seems like almost weekly now
Well, there have been relevant MMA cards almost weekly for the past month-plus…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Brent judges need Monitros. I am tired of hearing athletic commissions saying the judges have the best seats in the house so they don’t need monitors. WE all know the best seat where you actually see the fight the best is on a TV monitor. And don’t even get me going about most of these judges who are having say over a fighters future. I have just seen to many blown calls which leads me to believe most have almost no clue how to even score a fight. A Boxing match yes a MMA fight no.
There’s a really simple reason that monitors can’t be forced as standard. Smaller promotions can’t afford the complex set-ups.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Guy
This is an MMA site with a comments section. You want to exchange mojito recipes?
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
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by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BY THE GALLON!!!!!!!!!!!1
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What are you talking about?
This is an MMA site. They write their opinions on the sport and the community discusses/debates. If you don’t like these posts, just skip past them. There’s plenty of stories I avoid cause they just don’t interest me or I’m tired of hearing about it.
And some people comment on what they are tried of reading
That is their right as much as it is for others to endlessly debate the subject.
How is this discussion petty or biased? Does Jung have a massive fanbase that I don’t know about? Is Garcia hated by the MMA community?
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
I’ve gotten a bunch of e-mails from people telling me I need to stop sucking Garcia’s dick and that it’s obvious that I scored it this way because I wanted Garcia to win and am in love with him.
Clearly this matches up with my pre-fight prediction:
I’m no Garcia fan. As much as I’d like Jung to win I just don’t see it. Leonard Garcia by TKO, round 1.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 25, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, well obviously those e-mails are ridiculous and definitely petty (although if you really love him you shouldn’t jump right into the oral sex because who wants to buy the cow when you can get the milk for free) I still don’t think there is a bias on either side of the argument. Its not like our Leonard Garcia bobble head doll gained in value because he won or our Korean Zombie tattoo looks much less cool because he lost the decision.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
by Day Man on Apr 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you’re arguing about arguing. That seems more important.
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Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Charles Awad on Apr 25, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been so long since I commented on hear last...
I almost forgot my password; Garcia vs. Jung was amazing. Fights like this are the reason that i’m proud to call myself an MMA fan…as far as the outcome, I have to rewatch the fight, but I think Jung landed a few more strikes, especially in the first round. The judges may have made the wrong call there.
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