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Armenian MMA Fighter Manuel Gamburyan Says the "Genocide" Word That President Obama Is Afraid to Say

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International politics made a surprise cameo appearance on a major American Mixed Martial Arts event when winner and Armenian born fighter Manuel Gamburyan audibly said the word "genocide" on the Pay Per View broadcast.

Mixed martial artist Manuel "Manny" Gamburyan dared to publicly say the words that President Barack Obama wouldn't dare to say today -- genocide. Gamburyan had just scored a big KO win over former WEC featherweight champ Mike Brown at WEC 48: Aldo vs Faber -- a pay per view event put on by Zuffa, the parent company of the popular UFC.

For those who aren't following the politics, Gamburyan was referring to President Obama's breaking of a campaign promise to use the term "genocide" in reference to the slaughter of Armenians by Turks in the early 20th Century.

The New York Times has more on that:

President Obama, who as a candidate vowed to use the term genocide to describe the Ottoman mass slaughter of Armenians nearly a century ago, once again declined to do so on Saturday as he marked the anniversary of the start of the killings.

In Yerevan, Armenians on Saturday solemnly observed the 95th anniversary of the genocide that began in 1915 under the Ottoman Turk government. About 1.5 million Armenians were killed.

Trying to navigate one of the more emotionally fraught foreign policy challenges, Mr. Obama issued a statement from his weekend getaway here commemorating the victims of the killings but tried to avoid alienating Turkey, a NATO ally, which adamantly rejects the genocide label.

So props to Gamburyan for slipping a rare and courageous political moment into an MMA Event.

No American President has ever used the term since we formed a close alliance with Turkey during the Cold War.

Learn more about the Armenian genocide from Wikipedia:

The Armenian Genocide (Armenian: Հայոց Ցեղասպանություն, translit.: Hayoc' C'eġaspanowt'yown; Turkish: Ermeni Soykırımı) - also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, by Armenians, as the Great Crime (Մեծ Եղեռն, Mec Eġeṙn, Armenian pronunciation: [mɛts jɛˈʁɛrn]) - refers to the deliberate and systematic destruction (genocide) of the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire during and just after World War I.[1] It was implemented through wholesale massacres and deportations, with the deportations consisting of forced marches under conditions designed to lead to the death of the deportees. The total number of resulting Armenian deaths is generally held to have been between one and one and a half million.[2][3][4][5][6] Other ethnic groups were similarly attacked by the Ottoman Empire during this period, including Assyrians and Greeks, and some scholars consider those events to be part of the same policy of extermination.[7][8][9]

It is widely acknowledged to have been one of the first modern genocides,[10][11][12] as scholars point to the systematic, organized manner in which the killings were carried out to eliminate the Armenians,[13] and it is the second most-studied case of genocide after the Holocaust.[14] The word genocide[15] was coined in order to describe these events.[16]

UPDATE: It appears Gamburyan was using the word "genocide" in his pre-fight hype. So I might have completely misread his intentions here. Hard to believe an Armenian fighter would trivialize the term in that way.

 

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The Turks would have you believe that the 1.5 million Armenians all moved to Rhode Island to join an indie band or something.

Keep Firing, Assholes!

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It's only real in the way that I feel from day to day.

by Ubernoober on Apr 24, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Just to throw out some geopolitical commonsense here.

Turkey is the lone secular, democratic Muslin country in the Middle East. They border Iraq and their issues with a Kurdish separatist groups and the ever evolving independent Kurdistan in Northern Iraq present unique challenges to the region. Combine that with the U.S.’ longstanding relationship with Turkey throughout the Cold War as an ally makes the issue of using a word, however factual, but inflammatory to a country that’s in our nation’s interest to keep strong ties with makes the situation far more complicated than simply calling a spade a spade.

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by Zak Woods on Apr 25, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Making a stance and saying you will do something if granted the power to do so and not following through with it because you need an airstrip in Turkey is bullshit. Geopolitical commonsense? That made me laugh out fucking loud.

by Bob Boblaw on Apr 25, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

mike brown, bantamweight champ? just thought you’d want to know

by bearcox13 on Apr 24, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

fixed

thanks man

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 24, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

bro

Keep Firing, Assholes!

The world on a string doesn't mean a thing.
It's only real in the way that I feel from day to day.

by Ubernoober on Apr 24, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fwiw, using genocide has all kind of implications in terms of international law & obligations on signatories to various UN conventions, so sometimes nobody wants to call a spade a spade.

by WanderleiNoooooo! on Apr 24, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

my boy manny with the KO…

by intro820 on Apr 24, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

And when did Reagan, Bush or Bush say it?

"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble

by duck on Apr 24, 2010 11:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

never

No American president has ever said the word in reference to what the Turks did to Armenians.

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 24, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point exactly

"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble

by duck on Apr 24, 2010 11:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Your point misses the point that none of those 3 were promising to use it in order to get votes.

by GKINMD on Apr 24, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your point is wrong

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on Apr 25, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not correct. See below

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on Apr 25, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure...

Reagan explicitly called it a genocide.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on Apr 25, 2010 12:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah

Just confirmed Reagan did in fact refer to this event in world history as genocide. Google Proclamation 4838 for confirmation. It is in the context of a day recognizing the Holocaust and attributing the word genocide to the referred killings. Calling it such is certainly justified and shows quite a bit of moral courage outside the boundaries of political dealings.

Just make it one more broken promise from this current administration. Not that anyone is counting anyway. Or could count as high as that number goes.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on Apr 25, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Just make it one more broken promise from this current administration. Not that anyone is counting anyway. Or could count as high as that number goes

Please keep your politics in check on an MMA site. I come here to escape the daily political news cycle, not be ambushed by it.

by woomikee on Apr 25, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Discuss MMA…on an MMA site…that’s so crazy, it just might work!

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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 25, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

Like dozens of members keep their politics to themselves with Sonnen “Republican” comments and Fox news bashing?

Please. Should be the same for both sides. And if this an ambush for you, you are probably surprised fairly often.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on Apr 25, 2010 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Where did I say I made an exception for either side?

Chael is being mocked for a remark about Republicans not going into the guard or somesuch, and for the most part, when someone has something negative to say about a Fox News-style station, MSNBC is lumped in with it. Which is almost never here.

If you feel like you’re being singled out, I apologize, but I get enough of this political shit in my everyday life. It’s nice to go a day without someone taking a dig at a politician, regardless of which side of the fence they sit on (or whether they’re sitting on the fence)

by woomikee on Apr 25, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I get where you are coming from. Apologies.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on Apr 25, 2010 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Usually, I would agree with you...

but in this case, the politics of this situation are the point of the article.

by Razreshat on Apr 26, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

People forget about slick willy when it’s convenient. Glass steagall? What’s that?

by Bob Boblaw on Apr 25, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the context w/ the Obama stuff Nate

by dribblebib on Apr 24, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

But not in basketball

O’s got a hell of a jumpshot.

"I strongly suggest watching the O’s play while on a powerful, legal, prescribed narcotic. All the COLORS!!!!! and that Dempsey really makes sense. " - Adam double bubble

by duck on Apr 24, 2010 11:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Most certainly...

he’d kick his ass in a pitching duel though.

by Cannon Jacques on Apr 25, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

we’ll settle the whole thing with bowling……oh wait…

by BradCr on Apr 25, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone have a transcript of what Manny said?

by ufc4 on Apr 24, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

It was
I told you I was gonna do genocide and I did!

He was referring to an earlier interview (I can’t remember who with) where he promised to “bring genocide” to Brown.

by Scott Haber on Apr 25, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

Seems this would be a very serious topic for those of Armenian decent and he kind of trivializes it here, no?

by ufc4 on Apr 25, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

My sentiments exactly, I have a friend from Armenia and she wasn’t happy about it.

by Bob Boblaw on Apr 25, 2010 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Botlh ethnic groups have haited each other sence the days of the Byzantine empire.

by Shocbomb on Apr 25, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Spelling police at it again

by Shocbomb on Apr 25, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your line was,

“No matter how drunk I get, I’m still gonna bring the Byzantine, BITCHES!!!!”

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by jemaleddin on Apr 25, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly !!! – Shit I hope I spelled that right ?

by Shocbomb on Apr 25, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really true, actually. It’s more a 19th century conflict.

by Sventsh on Apr 25, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

so why isn’t gumburyan coming out to system of a down

by nogroundgame on Apr 25, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions  

His bro ruined that cliche.

by Bob Boblaw on Apr 25, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need Turkey for the War in Iraq.

I believe we fly in supplies through there so that’s why the President wont use the word “Genocide”.

by snakecharmer1340 on Apr 25, 2010 1:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Good find Maddux!. Nate, you should make the correction in your post.

by NoahZ on Apr 25, 2010 2:09 AM EDT reply actions  

If you’re the President of the US there is not strategic or national security issue served by making Turkey pissed, and they would be pissed. You should tell the truth, but you have to weigh that against the harm it could cause the country.

by NinjaRehab on Apr 25, 2010 2:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, he just made this promise thinking he would never have to be held to it, lied, or just didn’t understand the situation. All three are bad.

by NinjaRehab on Apr 25, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Smart man tell the people what they want to hear to get them to vote

and then F it man you’re already in office why follow through on anything, you’re already there.

by ChillMike on Apr 25, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

About the update. It may have been a conscious, political minded decision for Manny to use the word in the leadup interviews for the fight. I don’t know how far in advance they film those things, but there were Armenians in floats at the Greek Independence Parade in NYC last weekend that were talking about remembering the genocide.

I don’t think fighting on Genocide Remembrance day would slip his mind

by Phildo on Apr 25, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

It was a sad missed oppurtunity.

by Bob Boblaw on Apr 25, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not smart of Manny to trivialize the Armenian Genocide by referring to a punch to the chin as “a genocide.” Obviously, he doesn’t mean harm, but it probably would have helped to think it through.

by Carpal on Apr 26, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

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