Quote of the Day: Georges St-Pierre - "I Want to Fight the Best and Jake Shields Is the Best Right Now"
by Nick Thomas on Apr 23, 2010 10:40 PM EDT
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"[Jake Shields] He's a great submission fighter", St-Pierre said. "He's got great technique and takedowns. He's very good at not getting hit standing up, he's a perfect mixed martial artist and he's going to have a long career. He's a very smart guy and I have a lot of respect for this guy. I love watching his fights."
"As a matter of fact, there's only a few guys I like to watch in mixed martial arts, to learn, and he's one of them."
"Shields is amazing. He's of course the guy to beat right now. He's fighting at 185 lbs right now, and he's dominating and beating everyone at 185, and he's (a natural) 170 lbs fighter. He's not only an amazing fighter, he's an amazing jiu-jitsu fighter."
"As a proud champion, I want to fight the best and Jake Shields is the best right now."
-- Georges St-Pierre believes there is only one man to beat and that's Jake Shields.
HT: sportsnet.ca
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That’s how you stay at the top, once you start sleeping on guys, well you saw what happened to hendo..
I'm a lover not a fighter
sleeping on guys?
if these two guys fought, i’ll probably be the one put to sleep.
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Apr 24, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
SNOOZE FEST!
Round 1. 4:56 -GSP takedown and Holds down inflicing one elbow until end of round
Round 2. 4:56 -GSP takedown and Holds down inflicing one elbow until end of
round
Round 3. 4:56 -GSP takedown and Holds down inflicing one elbow until end of round
Round 4. 4:56 -GSP takedown and Holds down inflicing one elbow until end of round
Round 5. 4:56 -GSP takedown and Holds down inflicing one elbow until end of round
You do realize that GSP has passed the guard of all of his opponents. While I can see if these two fight that this could go to decision, I really feel that it is an over-exaggeration to imply that GSP is a lay n pray fighter. If anything, because of Shields’ deficiencies in standup, I can see GSP keeping this fight on the feet.
Lol his “proud champion” shit again. But yeah, Shields got lot of hype right now, let’s do this.
I'm a lover not a fighter
Yep, another reason the immediate title shot is needed…GSP wants this fight.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 23, 2010 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
ufc sends over fitch, strikeforce sends over shields… make it happen.
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by ekc on Apr 23, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
That's the quickest way to kill Strikeforce.
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if it is, I don't want to be right.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 23, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Is it wrong to want promotions to die? Probably yes.
by Neil Manich on Apr 23, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like people who commit suicide at the end of the day it’s their own fault.
by Bob Boblaw on Apr 23, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Because I might feel bad for Strikeforce if Dana White was just being a dick as usual and was the main reason behind Strikeforce failing but they’re doing it to themselves.
I’m not going to feel bad for them either way. But I would be upset if I didn’t get to see a viable second option for fighters.
by Neil Manich on Apr 24, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't 100% agree
Sure, at the end of the day they have to take most the blame, but really, to me, this is more of an example how hard it is for a second major promotion.
- they have to be seen by the public to gain any awareness, so their best bet is to sign a network deal. Unfortunately this also means they have to hand over control of their production. So when the broadcasts suck, sure its their fault but there’s little they can do about it because the other option (not being on tv) is so much worse.
- Signing Fedor gets them massive attention and legitimacy, but it also mean they have to deal with m-1. It easy to say they were idiots for signing him, but do you really pass on the chance to sign the number one mma fighter when you have to do something to let people know you exist and should be taken seriously?
- They set up the best show possible with three title fights and 5 top 10 fighters. Can you really blame them that all three went five rounds? it isn’t as if anyone picked Mousasi/Mo and Hendo/Shields to last more than two. Can you also blame them for putting together three of the most intriguing fights possible and that no one cared because it wasn’t in the UFC?
- We can complain about their lack of infrastructure and manpower for a promotion that is trying to accomplish so much, but it is that same bare bones workforce thats gives them a chance to stay afloat instead of being dragged under by an Elite XC level of debt.
Strikeforce has done a lot of things wrong, but I feel bad for them, because their failing are nothing like Affliction’s or Elite XC’s. Their failing was that they’re not the UFC, which is important when you want a piece of the UFC’s market. And for those celebrating their demise, I can understand your joy in having everything under the umbrella of your favorite promotion. But before you start opening the champagne maybe we should ask the fighters if they like the idea of there not being a second major promotion in North America? I’m pretty sure I know what most of them are going to say.
by John Nash on Apr 24, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
More anti-Zuffa bullshit from a known Shill
I’m kidding of course. What you are saying is 100% true and I think people sometimes lose focus of the bigger picture. The more options available, especially ones with bank rolls, means that you always have someone to look to. While I’m not one who thinks if there are no more options Zuffa will start taking advantage of fighters, I do think that it keeps them honest.
Part of the problem with going onto network tv is that you need a strong showing at all times. You need a Carano/Fedor/Kimbo to draw ratings. You can then stack the rest of the card with the fighters you want to build up to become draws eventually (Shields, Diaz, Mo, Mousasi, Mayhem). The problem is that if you don’t have the ratings, the network won’t give you another shot. There is potential you watched the last CBS card, and to be honest, if the affiliates are angry, they need to be pissed at the CBS production team, not Strikeforce.
I don’t want to get into talk of a fighters Union because it would only happen if all fights occurred under the Zuffa banner. If you are setting minimums, do these include fights taking place at Ring of Combat or King of the Cage? Of course not. The reason why a union works in Baseball/Basketball/Hockey/Football is that there is no other option. There is a set minimum for A baseball, AA baseball, and AAA baseball salaries.
At the end of the day, I do want to see the best fight the best under a single banner, not having this is what killed boxing. The more belts and organizations you have, the more illegitimate they seem. Kid Nate and Josh Gross have been proponents of co-promotion, but that doesn’t happen if only one company brings anything to the table.
I don’t know where I’m going with this, I really just thought of the subject line and didn’t want to come off as a dick so I kept typing, but I think I’m making sense and that’s all that matters.
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by Matthew Roth on Apr 24, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
but I think I’m making sense and that’s all that matters.
I have to tell myself that every time I post.
My thinking is that Strikeforce is a very poor imitation of the the UFC. The fights they air themselves – Melendez/Aoki, Henderson/Shields, Thomson/Melendez, Bigfoot/Werdum, Manhoef/Lawler, Lindland/Jacare – actually compare quit favorably. But everything else:scheduling, promoting, marketing, undercard bouts, and, most obviously, telecast productions (that includes announcers, camera work, everything) is second rate compared to the UFC. And I can understand complaints against those items. They drive me nuts as well, But what I don’t get is how vehemently some dislike them for having the temerity for offering us fights.
getting rid of shields will not kill SF.
because SF has NO idea how to sell shields.. he is arguably the #2 WW and MW, he is white, speaks english and yet they pay people to watch him fight.
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I meant sending Fitch over.
Guaranteed snorefest decisions. He’d sink that ship quick.
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snorefest decisions… how would it be any different than what they have currently
by nogroundgame on Apr 23, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the common tropes you hear in MMA is that a fighter is more likely to get over with the fans if they are an exciting fighter who happens to be white and speak English; it’s based on the idea that the MMA fan base, which is primarily white and English speaking, identifies more strongly with fighters who fit that profile. I have no idea if it’s true or not because I’ve never really looked into it, but you often hear it said.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
It doesn’t help that Shields really can’t sell himself either. He really doesn’t have much charisma, and lately hasn’t been fighting a “fan friendly” fighting style. Selling Shields is similar to the UFC trying to sell Gray Maynard or Jon Fitch, and the thing is with that is it is difficult to market fighters who are good, but can’t really sell themselves or fight in a way that people want to see their fights.
don’t want to see this, this is gonna be a boring humpfest on both sides.
no way that shields should be immediate title shot, at the very least he should have to beat fitch first.
i would have no idea to boo in this fight should it come to fruition.
on’t want to see this, this is gonna be a boring humpfest on both sides.
GSP fights his opponents weakness. That means he’ll try to keep it standing like he did with Fitch.
“GSP fights his opponents weakness.” thats a churched up way of saying he does not want a repeat of the first Serra fight.
i’m pretty sure he doesn’t want a repeat of that fight… i mean honestly who would?
by nogroundgame on Apr 23, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, what an idiot for learning from learning from his mistakes.
by PM23 on Apr 23, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Did I say he was an idiot? Did I say he shouldn’t learn from his mistakes?
by Bob Boblaw on Apr 23, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ummm gsp was fightin to Serra's "weakness "
Serra has much better bjj the gsp. Gsp has better stand up. Serra just pulled what is now commonly referred to as a “Serra”.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Apr 23, 2010 11:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My point is that it does not matter what the opponents weakness is GSP will use his dominant wrestling to win fights. He doesn’t fight their weakness his strength in wrestling is just too dominating for anyone to handle currently. Serra, and BJ have great BJJ but that didn’t mean GSP was going to stand with them, he took them down and beat the hell out of both of them and people think Shields BJJ is going to scare GSP into stand up fight? Hardly.
Really Serra has better BJJ then GSP. I Don’t think so, Did you not see how easy GSP dominated him on the ground and Gassed his guard with ease in there 2nd fight. GSP would scholl Serra in a straight Jiu-Jitsu or submission wrestling match.
serra has an adcc silver medal
Gsp got flying armbared in the first round when he went to the adcc. Serra is an accomplished grappler gsp is not.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Apr 24, 2010 12:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd
for showing the difference between straight BJJ and BJJ for MMA.
Fun fact: Tito has a better record at ADCC than GSP or Aoki!
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In straight BJJ, Serra has a better resume than GSP and is therefore a more accomplished pure grappler than GSP.
In straight boxing, James Toney has a better resume than Anderson Silva and is therefore a more accomplished pure striker than Anderson Silva.
And on and on. Those statements aren’t the same as “James Toney would KO Anderson Silva” or “Serra would sub GSP in a re-rematch”, but their respective pedigrees are better is verifiable fact.
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Whoopsy-doodle
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Come on now that was years ago first and 2nd bolth Eddie Bravo and Matt Hume think GSP was some of the best BJJ in all of MMA, Bolth have said no one passes a guard like he does. HE destroys Serra in a straight up Jiu-Jitsu match.
also when Serra won his Silver which I think was what in 2000 0r 01 ?Jiu-Jitsu was not 1/10 as advanced or the sport it is today. Fighters like Mark Kerr, Hayato Sakurai, Caol Uno, Ricco Rodriguez were wining back then all today would get schooled.
Ricco Rodriguez subbed Big Nog In a no gi match.
Ricco’s Jits isnt bad.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
he also beat him in an MMA fight
at least imo.
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BIG NOGS Jiu-Jitsu is great for MMA but he not all that decorated in the world of Jiu-Jitsu. Those of you who really think Serra has better Jiu-Jitsu then GSP have no idea about thr sport at all or how times have changed. Ask any one who knows Jiu-Jitsu like Bravo or Hume said and they will tell you GSP has some of the best all around Jiu-Jitsu in MMA and he would scholl Serra is a straight match hands down. Just look at the competition back when Serra won that silver compared to today its not hard to see
Serra's ADCC credentials from years ago
don’t change the fact that GSP mauled him on the ground in the second fight.
mauled via gnp not subs.
That would be like saying mark coleman has better jits if he beat a blackbelt with gnp. not that you cant use gnp in bjj. its just one part to the system.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
GSP passed Serra's guard repeatedly
That’s BJJ. If Serra had better BJJ than GSP, he would have swept him, submitted him from the bottom, or at least defended the guard pass.
Even if you don’t want to use the Serra example, look at the second Penn fight? Does Serra have better BJJ than Penn as well? GSP was passing Penn’s guard at will. Again…that’s BJJ, not g’n’p.
by Scott Haber on Apr 24, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
funny you should bring up the second gsp fight and guard passing
there were hearings and rule changes because of that fight.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
Serra's ADCC credentials from years ago
don’t change the fact that GSP mauled him on the ground in the second fight.
You know Ricco Rodriguez tapped Big Nog in a no gi match right?
Rickson Gracie taps other Black Belts with no hands. Literally ….
point being don’t discount older generation just because they are older.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
this was suppose to be a reply to above. Not scotts
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
GSP DID NOT GET BEAT IN THE FIRST ROUND.
In the first round of ADCC 2005, GSP beat Otto Olson, who was the silver medalist at ADCC 2003. Georges was a purple belt at the time. Otto had an amazing run at ADCC 2003, beating both Daniel Moraes and Fernando Terere.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1wkbp_georges-st-pierre-vs-otto-olsen_sport
Fun fact: Jake Shields picked up the bronze medal in that same weight class in ADCC 2005. He beat Diego Sanchez in the first round, and beat the guy who beat St. Pierre to pick up the bronze (Leo Santos). Shinya Aoki was also in their weight class that year, but after winning his first round matchup, he drew Marcelo.
WRONG – I guess GSP did not get flying armbared sence he won his first round fight against Otto Olson,in 2003. Just look at the links below
Not to mention, Randy Couture’s use of his wrestling and sub defense to draw Jacare, tells me that GSP’s pure grappling may be under rated. I know it was in the X submission league, and their rules favour wrestlers more than pure Jiu Jitsu rules, but these new wrestlers with excellent sub def can really neutralize an excellent grappler. I don’t think GSP is going to submit the best Jiu Jitsu guys at this point, but I also think that he isn’t going to be submitted as easily as that BE YOU TEE FULL flying armbar that got him back a couple’a years ago.
umm no he got armbared
it was the second round not the first my bad that was along time ago. I forgot.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
You should stop watching MMA. Try boxing.
by moonlapse88 on Apr 24, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
don’t want to see this, this is gonna be a boring humpfest on both sides.
no way that shields should be immediate title shot, at the very least he should have to beat fitch first.
i would have no idea to boo in this fight should it come to fruition.
You should stop watching MMA. Try boxing.
by moonlapse88 on Apr 24, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Before fighting GSP, I would like to see Shields fight one of these four Welterweights: Jon Fitch, Josh Koscheck, Thiago Alves, or even Ricardo Almeida (I would like to see Shields fight someone with equal if not better BJJ than him like an Almeida). I still feel that many of the opponents of Shields have stylistically been in Shields’ favor (except for Henderson, but Henderson really didn’t look in top form).
To GSP:
If Shield’s is willing to fight fighters at 185 as the underdog, why aren’t you? If you want to truly become great, you must take fights as the underdog and defy these odds. Winning when no one thinks you can win is what defines true champions.
by TyTy on Apr 23, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
"Winning when no one thinks you can win is what defines true champions."
What a complete load of garbage.
by Worldisart on Apr 23, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
i’d expect that type of talk from a canadian
by nogroundgame on Apr 23, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why is that a load of “garbage”? Look at it this way, the main reason people think GSP is great is because he has essentially cleared out his weight class, where no one who fights at 170lbs is a viable contender. However, it must be acknowledged that these established weight classes are all arbitrary divisions. If the weight classes were instead 160, 175, and 210 instead, who is to say that GSP qualifies as being able to clear out his division when credible opponents such as Anderson Silva may be able to cut enough weight to reach these weight divisions. Therefore, I don’t believe that simply clearing out your weight class would make a fighter a true champion, they must be able to transcend weight classes and fight people who are bigger and stronger then they are. If they fail, then so be it — they are not “true champions”; instead, they are the simply the best fighter in an arbitrarily defined weight class (which is good enough for most fighters)
Ya i agree, I think it’s horseshit that GSP says he wants to fight the best, while having a rape choke firmly placed on the UFC’s WW division. He walks around near 200 lbs. You want real competition eh? Move up. Fight at 185. Call out Anderson. That’s competition. Not saying Jake isn’t but GSP said he wants to fight the best. Anderson is the best fighter in the world. And a single weight class above where he fights.
I think Dana’s in his ear and telling him to say this. GSP’s a super hospitable guy and Dana’s a business man. Jake has all kinds of heat on him following the hendo fight and dana’s wants to play monopoly. And at the moment jake is the boardwalk property.
by god-damn long hair on Apr 23, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC
He actually claimed around UFC 100 to be walking around at 185, but stated that his long-term health had priority over the “legacy” thing.
LIke his hearts gonna fail or something, if he put on 10 or 15 lbs of muscle. Please.
by god-damn long hair on Apr 24, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
4 inches ain’t shit. 20 lbs is a hurdle but anderson’s the best out of any fighter (better than fedor while he’s sucking on m-1’s tit) in any weight class, anywhere. Hands down right? So if GSP’s serious, serious about fighting the best. Those are two hurdles easily scaleable and really shouldn’t be a big deal if he wants to fight the best. Anderson already said he’s down. GSP hasn’t said anything after Anderson said it (don’t know if GSP said he’d want to b4 anderson said he would).
And GSP’s reach is 76" while Anderson’s is 77". So the height thing is all but negated, assuming my numbers are right. So 20 lbs is what keeps him from igniting the blogosphere. Come on GSP I got the lighter fluid buddy!!!
by god-damn long hair on Apr 24, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
those reach measurements change with every fight.
dont take them too seriously
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
Ya i know they measure it different every time. Sometimes it’s with a fist. sometimes to the end of the ring finger, othertimes pinkie. Damn athletic commissions. Always making if difficult.
GO AWAY TROLL!!!
by god-damn long hair on Apr 24, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
did you just call me a troll???
That is uncalled for!!!
NOw if you will excuse me I have some billy goats to go hassle for going over my bridge.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
Haha
I can see what your up to here, buddy. (spit) You don’t fool me with your tending of things pertaining to billy goats. Ohhhhhh, one day the troll master’s gonna strike down on you with a ferocity seldom seen in your stupid little troll village. And when he does I hope you get caught with your pants down. I really do. That’d be as sweet as a stick of margarine and a half full bag of flaming hot cheetos. Ohhhh eeeeee. (spit 2 times).
by god-damn long hair on Apr 24, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
So what MMA fighters do you consider “true champions”?
by ufc4 on Apr 23, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ok that is silly
Gsp is a dominant ass champ. AND A REAL CHAMPION OF THE LARGEST MMA ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD. Now would I like to see him move up? Yes… BECAUSE HE IS A REAL CHAMP. If he was a chump I wouldn’t care what he did.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Apr 24, 2010 12:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol i admit it i'm just trolling
i’m just trying to disguise it behind a marginally intelligent statement. deep down i hate everything about gsp
by TyTy on Apr 24, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
errr and i gotta warning from BE for calling you names.
I am gonna Rec. this. DAMN FINE TROLLING SIR. lol
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
Mostly because GSP has made it clear that he is interested in defending his WW strap. Not fighting make believe championships at another weight class.
well, strikeforce is a joke, and shields is in another weight class currently, so doesn’t he qualify as a make believe champ in another weight class?
by nogroundgame on Apr 23, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheilds will probably wish he had tune up fight at 170 on the big stage but there’s little doubt that they are #1 & #2. Does it make sense to build up Jake in the UFC 1st ?? Probably not, huh?
BTW, this will be the most exciting GSP fight for a while now. I think we’re going to see GSP impose a stand up clininc and some Melendez/Aoiki style GnP.
I like shields in this one.
I haven’t ever seen shields not fight his fight. I don’t think there will be a Kickboxing match. Just a Jiu jitsu match that shields wins. This is the first time I haven’t picked gsp to win since the Bj fight. In fact the only person I haven’t picked gsp to beat is Bj. So maybe I will be wrong again.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Apr 23, 2010 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If it is a BJJ match than Shileds wil win but I dont think GSP can be held down. He spends next to no time on his back and his wrestling only keeps getting better.
Tough, GSP's BJJ failed him in the Hardy fight
so right now he’s training nothing but BJJ. The dude’s obsessed with perfection.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Who has shilds beaten at WW that makes him #2 in that devison and ahead of Fitch, Kos and Thiago ? Its not hard to see at ww Shields is 5th. I hope we get to see thse figths though soon ?
okami, daley,condit, then his middle weight fights are more impressive then any wins at ww.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Apr 24, 2010 12:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow beating those 3 make you the 2nd best WW in the world ? If you think his wins are better at WW then Fitch,Alves and Kos then so be it I can’t change your mind its just you don’t see to many MMA Rankings with Shields ranked 2nd most have him at 5th or 6th.
??
Do we read the same ranking sites? Sherdog and fightmatrix have him at 3, mmaweekly has him at 4…am I missing any big ones? He’s at 7 here, but that’s from last month.
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The important thing is not his exact ranking. Rankings have no meaning in this context; Shields has been competing in a different talent pool than the UFC guys. We know two things for sure:
1 Jake Shields is an elite WW
2 Jake Shields is the only elite WW who has not lost to GSP yet.
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I totally misread you!
I was talking MW rankings, hence our mutual confusion : )
I did some checking after hlebtastic’s post below, though, and fightmatrix’s system would place him at #2 at WW if he moved down.
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He’s not ranked in a lot of welterweight rankings because of inactivity in his weight class. he did however just beat the consensus number 2 ranked middleweight.
by Neil Manich on Apr 24, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
dude those are ufc fighters
if he isnt in the ufc how can he fight them?? He has beat everyone he has faced for YEARS. fitch he beat in a grappling match by sub way back when for whatever its worth.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
Again I have to come to Shields defense and I am not even a fan of his
We can go on and on about Shields being on a 14 fight win streat; how he’s beaten current UFC fighters Okami (currently #8 at MW), Mike Pyle, Carlos Condit (#12) and Paul Daley (#9); how he’s just beaten the #2 MW in the world. But instead let’s compare his record since 2008 against the other elite WW contenders (FItch, Alves, and Koshceck):
Jake Shields 5-0
W Nick Thompson (was ranked #11 WW)
W Paul Daley (currently ranked 9th WW)
W Robbie Lawler (was #4 MW, now #9)
W Jason Miller (was ranked #24 MW)
W Dan Henderson (current #2 MW)
Jon Fitch 6-1
W Chris Wilson (unranked)
L GSP (#1 WW)
W Akhiro Gono (#19 WW)
W Pauolo Thiago (#5 WW)
W Mike Pierce (#20 WW)
W Ben Saunders
Thiago Alves 3-1
W Karo Parysian
W Matt hughes (#8 WW)
W Josh Koscheck (#4 WW)
L GSP (#1 WW)
Josh Koscheck 5-2
W Dustin Hazelett
W Chris Lytle
L Thiago Alves (#3 WW)
W Yoshiyuko Yoshida
L Paulo Thiago (#5 WW)
W Frank Trigg
W Anthony Johnson (#18 WW)
I think you can only argue that Jon Fitch has had a more impressive record (although I don’t think so) over the last two years, but are his three best wins over Gono, Pierce, and Thiago really more impressive than wins over Daley, Lawler, and Hendo?
by John Nash on Apr 24, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
Sir I believe you just "Served " him.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
If Georges can stuff the takedown this will be over violently before the championship rounds,
When we pull our pants down in front of teacher which way should we stand? I mean do we show her our butts or our weiners?
by Earl Montclair on Apr 23, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
i know GSP can take people down, but who was the last person to try to take GSP down?
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by ekc on Apr 23, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im assuming Kos or Matt Hughes.
When we pull our pants down in front of teacher which way should we stand? I mean do we show her our butts or our weiners?
by Earl Montclair on Apr 23, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I mistaken, or didn’t Kos actually take Georges down once in the second? This fight will show us how legit GSP’s BJJ black belt actually is. Plus we might actually get to see his striking a little bit.
by Neil Manich on Apr 23, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly
The Hardy fight showed us how legit it is. Black belts shouldn’t have to be told why their kimura and armbar doesnt snap joints after their title defense. IMHO . I am sure he will improve in the future.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Apr 23, 2010 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Fitch got 1 takedown if I’m not mistaken
by MikeD32 on Apr 23, 2010 11:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe
I know he was in Georges guard for a couple minutes but I think that was after a Georges takedown or a knockdown or something
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 23, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Fightmetric credits Fitch with 0 of 5 takedowns; if I remember right, he swept GSP after being taken down.
They credit Kos with 1 of 4, which if I’m remembering right should be the last time he got taken down. The third Hughes fight he made it look like Hughes had never wrestled before.
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GSP had Fitch’s back, got reversed. Much like the Hardy fight.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
Watching Jake take down Hendo over and over again leads me to believe Jake might be the only guy at WW who stands a chance of taking George down.
"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye
This is a good point. I just think Georges is light years quicker than Dan and that will be important
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 23, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And GSP isn’t gonna gas like Hendo either.
by ufc4 on Apr 24, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It is unlikely GSP will gas like Hendo
by IWillPartyHard on Apr 24, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don’t know about yall but I don’t think GSP will gas the way Henderson did.
by scottwgiblin on Apr 24, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think Henderson has gas.
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by AJB on Apr 24, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
That’s what I was thinking as well. Although GSP is definitely a better MMA wrestler than Henderson. Also, Henderson’s olympic caliber wrestling is Greco, so he doesn’t have olympic caliber single leg defense. Even that being said, Jake’s wrestling was impressive, and so was his chin. If there is a guy to give GSP a fight, its Shields.
by Neil Manich on Apr 23, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anybody can argue with this statement. Shields is the best fight for GSP at welterweight right now. (Unless Andy cuts to WW, but we’ll worry about that when its a viable option.) This just makes sense.
Don't get me wrong,
i am not hating on the match-up. I think it is the one that needs to happen right now. I just think Jake has a GIANT hole in his game and thats what Greg Jackson will focus on.
When we pull our pants down in front of teacher which way should we stand? I mean do we show her our butts or our weiners?
by Earl Montclair on Apr 23, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s hard to argue that Koscheck isn’t the best fight for GSP right now. I think Kos would work Shields.
by scottwgiblin on Apr 24, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A much as I hate Koscheck
Daley’s one real weakness is wrestlers, and Koscheck is a terrific wrestler.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Shields is not a compelling match-up for GSP. If it happens it’s going to look like the Fitch fight except even more one-sided in the stand-up.
Any particular reason you feel this way, or just your gut?
by Neil Manich on Apr 23, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
probably based on the fact that shields has zero striking ability, i’d even take fitch over him in a sparring session.
by nogroundgame on Apr 23, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously the standups going to be one sided. That’s the point. The point is he said it was going to be exactly like the Fitch fight. Which I assume is because Jake and Fitch have a wrestling background, but they use them in entirely different ways.
by Neil Manich on Apr 23, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Jake’s grappling is far superior to Fitch’s grappling. Watch how Jake absolutely tools Fitch in a submission grappling match, sweeping him multiple times and then choking him out in under 5 minutes. I know it was in 2005, but I haven’t seen anything from Fitch that would lead me to believe it’d be any different if they did it again.
by IWillPartyHard on Apr 24, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really you don’t think Jon Fitch has improved sence 2005 when he had a record of 9-2-1 with only 12 figths on his mma record and his biggest win at the time was Shommie Carter ? I really don’t think you can say in good faith even if you hate Fitch that he has not improved in all aspects of MMA sence then ?
Even from mount.
How do you have mount for 12 minutes in one fight and not finish the fight?
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I love this fight
I wonder, though: If Georges takes this to the ground, will people still come out of the woodwork screaming how a Real Champion fights where their opponent is strongest?
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I think you know that they obviously will not. Are you trying to prove people wrong through hypothetical results?
by Neil Manich on Apr 23, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly is anyone excited for this fight? Shields is a lesser version of Fitch, whom is a lesser version of GSP. If Fitch is a poor man’s GSP, Shields’ is a homeless man’s version of GSP.
How does anyone really see Shields even winning this fight? On the ground? His wrestling most certainly isn’t superior to GSP. I’d give Georges a clear edge in the wrestling department. You can likely make an argument that Shields has marginally better juijitsu but he’s no Damian Maia. For that matter while Georges may not have suceeded in submitting his last opponent submission defense is not exactly a glaring hole in his game. The rare occasions where GSP has been on his back in guard he’s rather swiftly gotten himself out of the position.
Beyond that Shields has some of the least technical standup in MMA. I do not think he’d have much luck in using it to set up takedowns. Which then relies on pretty blatant shots to attempt to take GSP down which is no easy task. As most people have noted in the kickboxing portion of the match Shields is likely to get tooled.
If I had to project the match I’d imagine that it would be 3-5 rounds where GSP lands a barrage of strikes on Shields, Shields looks for a take down, doesn’t get it and then winds up on his back himself. Thereafter he gets pounded on until it goes back to the feet. Rinse and repeat.
I have to admit I’m getting tired of hearing Georges build up potential opponents. Dan Hardy was his greatest challenge, now Jake Shields is the greatest? He’s beaten a washed up and gassed Dan Henderson, unless your Michael Bisping that is not exactly the mark of greatness. I’m willing to hear all the flattery when his opponents actually are pretty good like Thiago, BJ and Fitch…but when the opponent is more pretender than contender it gets tiresome.
He’s beaten a washed up and gassed Dan Henderson
Who everyone thought was gonna kill him. It’s not the greatest matchup in the world but it’s more exciting than a fight against any current UFC WW’s.
by ufc4 on Apr 24, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dude, Jake Shields has a helluva nice resume
Sub win over Daley, decisions over Okami and Condit, outwrestled Dan Henderson for 20 minutes, 3rd place finish at ADCC…He’s no joke. I could definitely see him being top 3 at least in the UFC’s WW division, and I don’t think it’s out of line to say he could be a very stiff challenge for GSP.
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Maybe it is the angle...
But, Jake Shields appears to have the smallest hands known to mankind. Give him a break on the punching power :p
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by slapjaw ackrite on Apr 24, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I LOVE Jake Shields
but GSP will win this fight tearing him apart on the feet. He hasn’t shown it in awhile – though it appeared in the Penn fight – he can be deadly on his feet. That shin to Matt Hughes’s face is still one of the greatest “oh shit” moments in the UFC. Shields’s stand-up is stiff and unimpressive. His kicks are okay, but I’m not sure he can throw a punch standing with power. What WILL be interesting is to see what Shields can do with elbows being allowed on the ground. But he’s got to get on top of GSP first.
Jake’s weight training and move to middleweight in Strikeforce has made him much bigger and thus about the same size as GSP. The difference is GSP has been cutting that weight for years and Jake hasn’t.
I like GSP in this fight, but it won’t be a cakewalk like Hardy was.
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I have a suspicion Dana might have “encouraged” GSP to call out Shields. Shields has no choice but to come to the UFC now. He has an opportunity to fight the best welterweight (and arguably best fighter) in the world.
by scottwgiblin on Apr 24, 2010 2:11 AM EDT reply actions
I’m not seeing Shields beat Rumble, Kos, Fitch, Serra, or Thiago… much less GSP. But who knows. He’s a tough SOB.
by scottwgiblin on Apr 24, 2010 2:25 AM EDT reply actions
Cleaning out the 170 lb Division
The 170 lb division isn’t clean until GSP beats Shields and Nick Diaz. Only reason Jake is fighting @185 is because Diaz is the 170 lb Strikeforce Champ. GSP wants to finish off the best at 170 before fighting Anderson.
Shields, sure, but not many people honestly believe Diaz is a threat.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
I think Nick is a great fighter and underrated at times but I have to agree that GSP would win if they ever fought.
That’s where I stand. I really like watching Diaz fight – and extend that to Nate if he keeps performing like he did against Markham – but his stand-up style is begging for a takedown and his jits from the bottom aren’t going to allow him to accomplish what BJ couldn’t. Diaz is strong, but not strong enough to control GSP on the ground; he has fast hands an has developed more power, but he doesn’t have GSP’s diversity standing and won’t be able to dictate where the fight happens.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Shields is not even going to ever get deep in on a takedown attempt, let alone come close to getting St. Pierre down. I see him getting just ripped apart on the feet with jabs and kicks before getting knocked out.
This is the best fight at 170 but it’s not going to be a competitive fight.
by Michael Rome on Apr 24, 2010 2:48 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
tko maybe
If Gsp Ko’s him i will be very impressed.
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
This is the best fight possible for GSP. He'll whip out his kickboxing and KO Shields.
If he wants that highlight finish that he was looking for against Hardy, this is it. I’ve said it before: GSP isn’t Hendo. As we found out, Hendo wasn’t really Hendo anymore.
And as for all those who still consider GSP a pussy for not going up to MW, this is completely laughable. Only on the internet will you find people who don’t think going through a gauntlet of the toughest guys in arguably the most stacked division in the world and dominating every single one of them is good enough when it comes to being a “true” champ. GSP will be the most dominant WW ever. I see nothing wrong with ruling your division with an iron fist.
Shields vs. GSP will be built up wisely.
Even if it ends up as a stinkfest, the hype surrounding it will be good that many will order this. Shields has probably the best resume and a good chance of beating St.-Pierre. I mean, he’s much, much better than Hardy and Fitch combined.
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GO Armageddon!!!
Scenario I would Like to See Play Out (But Which Will Not)
Shields to UFC, him and GSP as opposing coaches on Ultimate Fighter, culminating with showdown for the title.
Simultaneously, Dana announce that he hs having an eight-man tourney for the next title shot after Shields, the tournament to be held over the span of several months, (since the title is held up during the Ultimate Fighter stint anyway).
Of the eight men in the tournament, Dana offers three of the spots to Swick, Koscheck and Fitch, putting the ball in their court as to whether they accept or not.
by Bazz1119 on Apr 24, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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