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A letter to the casual MMA fan - by Ben Askren

"What I saw Saturday night was a thing of beauty. Mo & Mousasi literally fought non stop for five-five minute rounds, seldom was there a break for more than a gasp or air. For those of you who aren't mathematically gifted that is 25 minutes of fighting. I have been in wrestling atches where I can't lift my legs or arms after only 7 minutes."

... "So ladies and gentlemen what I am trying to say is when a fighter pours his heart, soul and life into a fight like Mo did Saturday how can you even think about booing him. When a man puts that much effort forth he deserves our respect and admiration. So next time a fighter pours his heart out in the cage for us, the fans, lets try to show him some love and appreciation and not boo him."

Check out Ben Askren's full write-up at purefight.org.

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i think he was getting booed because he got out struck in every rd

and because he didnt go for a single sub either.
dudes got one hell of a double thats for sure

"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.

by Rayce. on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

mo was booed when he fought both kerr and whitehead and they booed him before the mousasi fight even began… mma fans hate mo.

"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com, mma enthusiast

by ekc on Apr 23, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet the fans that boo King Mo looooooove Chuck Liddell.

When we pull our pants down in front of teacher which way should we stand? I mean do we show her our butts or our weiners?

by Earl Montclair on Apr 23, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew Mo was gonna win

I really like his wrestling , but i am not sure if he realized he was suppose to be trying to strike MOOO-sassy as well. A good way to gain fans is to beat the dude you are fighting like he owes you money. Either way i am a fan just for his ring entrances. The crown is priceless!!

"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.

by Rayce. on Apr 23, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

So.. he’s a younger Randleman?

by grein on Apr 24, 2010 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is spot on.

When we pull our pants down in front of teacher which way should we stand? I mean do we show her our butts or our weiners?

by Earl Montclair on Apr 23, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

lmao ``

nice

"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.

by Rayce. on Apr 23, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought that fight was a joy to watch. Rounds 3-5 lacked the frenetic kineticism of the first two (which had me hollering at the screen), but if you know King Mo’s backstory, that fight was a microcosm of his whole life.

Really good stuff.

by dfmickley on Apr 23, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Can you point me toward his backstory please?

Google Ron Paul!

by CaDreamer on Apr 23, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

here is a series of short docs i shot on mo last year…

http://allelbows.com/?p=1407
http://allelbows.com/?p=543
http://allelbows.com/?p=183
  

i think there are good intro into who mo is and what he is about

"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com, mma enthusiast

by ekc on Apr 23, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, those were amazing.

by Sventsh on Apr 24, 2010 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks.

"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com, mma enthusiast

by ekc on Apr 24, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you very much :)

Google Ron Paul!

by CaDreamer on Apr 25, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The backstory is that he’s always been doubted, never been able to achieve the top status – in college he killed himself but didn’t get the national title. He responded by working ceaselessly, and dominated the international circuit – but, again, couldn’t win the world title.

Jumped to MMA, heard all the same criticism and doubt, that he didn’t deserve the belt, that Mousasi had all the tools and he was just a wrestler – turned it around and beat Mousasi through sheer grit and will.

Remember that Mo broke into the sport 5 days after Mousasi won the middleweight grand prix. And here he is.

Here’s a great interview that, I think, would surprise a lot of anti-Mo folks around here.

by dfmickley on Apr 23, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

ps – if you listen carefully in the Mo/Mousasi fight, when Mo hits the takedown with about a minute thirty left in the fifth, you can hear Daniel Cormier – who literally bolted from his seat and sprinted to the cage – start hollering instructions and support.

Really beautiful stuff.

by dfmickley on Apr 23, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think daniel was happier than mo was.

"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com, mma enthusiast

by ekc on Apr 23, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha.

Dig your work. I’ve been behind the video camera pretty often, and it never looks as pretty as your stuff.

The cutting of the training montages into mo inviting punishment (must have taken a while) was my favorite. That, or the slowly descending umbrella.

by dfmickley on Apr 23, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the response to this fight was pretty pathetic, and exposed the huge lack of analytical ability amongst the MMA fanbase.

by Sinkro on Apr 23, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Word

This deserves a rec, so many sites had Gegard winning when we have NEVER SEEN HIM FIGHT A WRESTLER.

I don’t care how many UFC cast offs you beat, until you actually snuff a top notch American wrestler in a fight I will be picking against you.

I saw this being a repeat of Cerrone/Henderson and Marquardt/Sonnen, today’s wrestlers are learning how to neutralize the dangerous kickboxer/bjj fighters out there.

Its an old and tired saying but most mma fight fans seem to forget, regardless of hype: Styles make fights.

by The Blackula on Apr 24, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

P.S.
I choked out Ryan Thomas without a really choking him out. I’m a bad motherfucker, I know.

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by poundnground on Apr 23, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

i thought it was a great fight from mo and mousasi… i really hope they meet again for the dream LHW belt. Both those guys should be proud.

"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com, mma enthusiast

by ekc on Apr 23, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

No one who gasses in the second of five rounds should be proud.

If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 23, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am an asshole, and I am an MMA fan, but I'm not seeing the correlation...

Besides, if you’re fighting for the belt on network TV for the second-biggest org, shouldn’t you be in shape to go all five rounds? I’ve always been stymied why fighters gas – you know you’re going to be in a fight, you know it could last 15-25 minutes, yet you don’t equip yourself with the necessary cardio? I’ve never understood that – it’s like being an accountant without taking algebra.

If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 23, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

mo didnt pace himself properly.. and that was his inexperience showing, just like holding on to that damn single in the first that cause him to take those shots to the eye, which almost ended the fight right then just from the swelling…. but you focus on the negative rather then seeing a fighter who gutted it out a beat a top 10 fighter when just one year ago, 99% of mma fans had never heard of him

"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com, mma enthusiast

by ekc on Apr 23, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That he dug that deep to beat Mousasi despite running on proverbial fumes is impressive, but that’s about all that impressed me. It was just lackluster. Mousasi looked equally bad. I was looking forward to this fight the most and was so damn disappointed in it. I can see why the wrestling fans liked it so much, though. I glad someone enjoyed it, even if I didn’t.

If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 23, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you say he gassed if he fought all 5 rounds?

He might have tired out, but he continued to fight and dominated. Things can only get better for him.

by cyke on Apr 24, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought gassed was “expended of useful energy”? Kimbo and HA were gassed, even thought they went to a decision, yes?

If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 24, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about Don Frye (vs the blond guy)?

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Apr 24, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Peopel are just hating because he beat Mossuasi

by MMAGuard on Apr 23, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

People been hating long before that happened.

When we pull our pants down in front of teacher which way should we stand? I mean do we show her our butts or our weiners?

by Earl Montclair on Apr 23, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear Ben

It’s called jogging and both Mo and Mousasi should have looked into it.

Best,
Monte Fisto

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 23, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I actually really like the fight. I had to catch the fight on the internet a couple of days after everyone saw it and I couldn’t see what everyone was complaining about. The first two rounds were great and the last three were tense as hell.

Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.

I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.

by Sam Cupitt on Apr 24, 2010 2:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Mo showed he was an amazing wrestler. We already knew that. He didn’t show me he was anything more. If you would have asked me before the fight if I thought King Mo could win a decision against Mousasi with literally only his takedowns and sitting in guard I would tell you that not only is it possible, it’s likely.

His GnP is absolutely horrible, he improved his position 3 times in a 5 round fight, and he got outstruck by the guy he was laying on. Excuse me if I’m not impressed.

by Toolshed on Apr 24, 2010 2:17 AM EDT reply actions  

name one other fighter thats been able to GNP Mousasi with more success?

"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com, mma enthusiast

by ekc on Apr 24, 2010 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of a loaded question considering Mousasi has never fought anyone who was that good at wrestling, don’t you think?

by Toolshed on Apr 24, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yet he was still ranked as a top 5 light heavyweight? I am still a fan of Gegard, but they guy was a bit over hyped

by The Blackula on Apr 24, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure what King Mo’s wrestling skills have to do with Mousasi’s rank… I also don’t see how losing a decision to a world class wrestler means he was over hyped. Not to mention Mousasi is a bit undersized for LHW.

by Toolshed on Apr 24, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

i am still waiting for a wrestler to actually try to wrestle Machida

"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com, mma enthusiast

by ekc on Apr 24, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not a fan of Mo at all, but I agree 100% with Askren. Mo deserves all the credit in the world for stepping up and beating a much more experienced and respected guy, no matter how he accomplished it. Mo is still rounding out his skills and went with what brought him to the dance in the biggest fight of his career. There is no shame in that.

by Steve4192 on Apr 24, 2010 6:03 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Both guys demonstrated a very high skill level...

…but they also gassed really early, particularly Mo, which made the fight sloppier and pretty one-dimensional. I think if both guys had been in better shape, the fight would have been a lot more dynamic.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Dave Strummer on Apr 24, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the first 3 rounds, after that I was just waiting for moussassi to get up, too bad he didn’t have rampage in his corner.

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Apr 24, 2010 7:22 AM EDT reply actions  

heart

Fighting ones heart out is a hard thing to get behind. Maybe if you survive three rounds on the bottom getting your ass kicked like Lytle did vs Koscheck, that’s heart fans will cheer.

 “Heart” does not mean being a world reknown wrestler and taking down a guy who’s whole strategy seemed to be centered on an upkick KO and then doing nothing while in top position. That fight was hard to watch. I’ve seen more heart in small show amateur undercard bouts where guys fought literally for free and it was rock’em, sock’em robots for three rounds.

Heart is all how you use it. Just because you try hard doesn’t mean it’s “heart”.

by Syd O on Apr 24, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree with the premise

…but I don’t care that much because, as a guy who was rooting against Gegard just a little more than he was rooting against Mo, I loved every moment of that fight.

Mo’s effortless takedowns? Gegard’s lousy takedown defense? Both of them gassing? LOVED LOVED LOVED.

But seriously: we’re not giving these guys applause for efforts, we’re applauding accomplishments. This isn’t kindergarten where all that matters is that you tried. Mo had Gegard on his back almost the whole fight and never managed to do much damage. Gegard put up so little fight in avoiding the takedowns he looked like Thales Leites without the submission skills.

Were people wrong to boo this fight? I wouldn’t have, but i wouldn’t blame somebody for expecting better conditioning, takedown defense and submissions in a CHAMPIONSHIP fight.

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by jemaleddin on Apr 24, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

While personally I agree with Askren’s thoughts on booing here there really does seem to be a major disconnect in what people expect out of casual fans. To the athletes this is a sport but to the fans watching it’s entertainment, if the people watching aren’t entertained then you can’t demand that they pretend they are being entertained. Fans boo for all sorts of reasons too, heck that goes for most sports. Certain athletes are going to be boo’d in some arenas and cheered in others and away teams are almost universally boo’d constantly. Watch any ball game where the home team gets called for a penalty, even if it was obviously the right call the fans are going to scream about it.

If fans weren’t entertained or impressed by Mo’s performance or if they just don’t care for the guy in general that’s their perogative. If fans just want to boo shows because they are drunk and grouchy or they think it’s fun to boo then that is also their perogavie to do. This isn’t golf and it sure isn’t Japan, fans in the US are going to make noise.

by who me on Apr 24, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed on most points

There’s always a difference between the way that athletes who play a game see the sport and the way the fans view it. It comes across every time an ESPN talking head ex-player gets grouchy about something and declares “If you haven’t played, then you don’t know and can’t comment!” The usual (reasoned) response is “Well, just because I haven’t played doesn’t mean I don’t understand the game; look at coaches – most of them never played or weren’t good enough to play at the highest level.” And that’s correct. Anyone can observe and make intelligent comments on a sport or fight. I think that often, though, this response misses the motivating factor behind the original “If you haven’t played…” comment: what the athlete ISN’T saying is that they have been in that situation and it doesn’t feel good and doesn’t seem “fair”.

I make that point to talk about the distinction between booing in MMA and in other sports. In football, if you are a Miami Dolphin, you expect to be booed loudly and repeatedly when your team visits the Jets or Bills. But fighters aren’t usually playing “home” or “away” so the booing always feels (and often is intended to be) personal, if only as a personal critique or statement of dissatisfaction. Sure, I get pissed off like anyone else by the drunken fans who boo as soon as a fight is anything other than an exchange of overhand rights; but by the same token, I understand that some fights, while technically proficient, are not what the fans expected and can be downright disappointing.

I get the sense that what Askren is trying to say-without-saying-it is the “I’ve been there and I know how hard Mo was working, and being booed when you’re giving your all AND winning doesn’t feel good”, kinda like the talk-head ex-athletes often say. But at the same time, if I COULD wrestle like those guys, I’d probably be fighting; then my perspective would be different. I’m not much of an athlete though – in fact, I regularly lose fights to my furniture while walking about the house – so I HAVE to be a spectator. And as a spectator, I watch to be entertained. Sure, my standard of entertainment includes being impressed by GSP’s dominance of Hardy; not everyone’s does because we all have different aesthetic standards. But there’s no point in Askren wishing I or anyone else could see anything from his perspective. We can’t. We can only be fans, and sometimes when fans are upset or unentertained, they will make their feelings known.

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by AJB on Apr 24, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

But fighters aren’t usually playing "home" or "away" so the booing always feels (and often is intended to be) personal, if only as a personal critique or statement of dissatisfaction.

Everyone has their favorites and usually the other guy gets boo’d by them. Home or away comes into play with local teams but everyone who gets in there has their home city announced before the fight starts, anyone who lives in the same state or within 200miles tends to become the home guy, that is unless their opponent is just more popular or charimatic. Heck we see “USA chants” when a Canadian fighter fights a Japanese fighter, there really is no rime or reason to any of it except that people at events love to cheer and boo. Fighters shouldn’t worry about it unless there is no sound at all, if fans don’t even care enough to boo then there are some real problems(except when they are in Japan where that is normal).

As far as fans being critical of a performance afterwards, well isn’t that what the internet exist for? Someone somewhere on here is going to be critical of everyone and everything, it’s just to be expected. Once again the real problem appears when people are so disinterested that they choose to say nothing at all on a fight, that is what is really bad. As long as fans have an opinion and are interacting then they are paying attention to what is going on.

by who me on Apr 24, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

All evidence to the contrary
“Anyone can observe and make intelligent comments on a sport or fight.”

You must be new around here. ;-)

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by jemaleddin on Apr 26, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did Mousasi ever do a post fight interview?

I never heard anything from him, seems like he was the only person that wasn’t at the PC.

by Toolshed on Apr 24, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree that some fans seem over the top with their booing. But the King Mo vs Mousasi fight was NOT a thing of beauty. It showed guts, it showed skill, but it was not a paragon of entertainment. I watched it, I was glad I watched it, I respect both fighters, and would not have booed Mo. But I have seen a lot of fights that were much more entertaining.

I do wish fans would show a little more respect, especially post fight. With few exceptions, fighters work extremely hard and put a lot on the line for our entertainment, so a little restraint on post-fight booing would be nice.

I consider myself a softcore fan.

by Thor77 on Apr 24, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Lots of athletes put a lot of work into what they do yet still have to deal with the fans, it’s just part of sports. Boo’d or not they are getting paid for their effort. Besides it could always be worse, they could be throwing batteries at them instead of just booing.

Philadelphia’s list of embarrassing moments is getting lengthy.

On Nov. 10, 1997, a fan shot a flare gun across the field into the stands during a nationally televised Monday night game against the San Francisco 49ers. Fans pelted national TV broadcasters with snowballs during a Cowboys-Eagles game in 1989. Santa Claus was booed and pelted with snowballs during a game between the Eagles and Minnesota in 1968.

This year, fans threw batteries at St. Louis Cardinals outfielder J.D. Drew, expressing their anger that he didn’t sign with the Phillies after they drafted him in 1997.

No one is safe. Mike Schmidt, one of the best third basemen in baseball history, was booed for much of his career with the Phillies.

“Ron Jaworski told me one time that he had completed like 14 passes in a row, and on the 15th one he had an incompletion and they booed him,” said Randall Cunningham, the Eagles’ star quarterback from 1985-95.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/1999/10/11/philly_fans_ap/

by who me on Apr 24, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

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