UFC 113: Machida vs. Shogun 2 in-Depth
by Nick Thomas on Apr 19, 2010 10:55 PM EDT
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PrintSaturday, May 8, live on Pay-Per-View from Montreal, Canada:
Main Card:
Lyoto Machida (16-0) -200 vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-4) +160
Josh Koscheck (14-4) -300 vs. Paul Daley (23-8-2) +220
Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson (4-1) -120 vs. Matt Mitrione (1-0) +105
Sam Stout (15-5-1) -220 vs. Jeremy Stephens (16-5) +180
Alan Belcher (15-6) -135 vs. Patrick Cote (13-5) +105
Preliminary Bouts:
Tim Credeur (12-3) vs. Tom Lawlor (6-2)
Jonathan Goulet (22-10) vs. Marcus Davis (16-6)
Yoshiyuki Yoshida (11-4) vs. Mike Guymon (11-3-1)
Chad Corvin (6-0) vs. Joey Beltran (11-3)
T.J. Grant (15-3) vs. Johny Hendricks (7-0)
Nick Catone (8-2) vs. John Salter (4-1)
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i LOVE this card from fight 1 to the main event
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by SherCat on Apr 19, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love how they used the same Joe Rogan sound clip from the first trailer
“He’ll throw flying knees, and 360 degree round house kicks; hes just a wild man.”
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
I’m stoked for belcher and cote, I think it’s gonna be a barn burner.
by MikeD32 on Apr 19, 2010 6:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree 100%
Belcher has a crappy sense of style and an ugly tattoo but he really brings it to the cage. I’m a fan of his.
Confucius says:
"Baseball is wrong; man with four balls cannot walk."
If you had just typed “Has a crappy sense of style and an ugly tattoo but he really brings it in the cage” and asked me to guess which fighter you were referring to, I would have said Belcher without hesitating. That’s the most accurate description of him possible.
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If Dailey can stuff the takedowns I’m not against a title shot. That’s the best test they could come up with.
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He can't.
There’s a reason he’s lost to pretty much any decent fighter who wanted to get the fight to the floor. Kos tries to act like he’ll stand with Daley, but he’ll probably stand about as long as he did in the Johnson fight before Daley comes forward, Josh slips under and takes him down and finishes it. I like Daley but this is a bad match-up for him.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 19, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
ya
As much as I love Daily, Kos can take him down at will.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
*Daley
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
You are probably
right but Im sure hoping Koscheck will try the stand up and get knocked the fuck out by Daley.
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This
I’m aware of Kos’s advantages, but I really, really hope he gets a couple minute bout of the stupids and decides to test his “improved standup” against Semtex.
I’m stoked for this card, but I’m a little worried that I’m gonna be depressed after Kos grinds out a win.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Apr 19, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless Shields gets signed of course. Even if Daley can stuff takedowns against Kos it means nothing regarding GSP.
See
Kos Vs Alves
GSP Vs Alves
Yeah, GSP is better at this game, and Shields comes first if he ever come (I’m no mmalogic, until he signs I don’t consider him a contender), but what can Dailey do to prove he can hang with GSP except beating one of the best wrestler at WW and a possible contender? But he needs to prove he can stuff takedowns or work on the ground, because we just saw what happens if you can’t.
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Oh man. Wait why does Dana keep hyping Machida and Shogun as two brawlers? That hate the ground? Lol. Dana now, now time to relax buddy. Sell the fight sure, but the way you potray them in inaccurate.
Not only are they two of the best strikers they sick grappling skills as well. He keeps trying to make these guys stand and bang type of guys. While Shogun normally is Machida certainly is not. This should be called high level striking. Stand and bang is for the unskilled strikers in the UFC. Machida and Shogun are top top of the food chain in MMA.
Koscheck
I might be that egotistical . I might just stand with him the whole time to prove a point.
This is very dangerous thing for Kos to be doing. I respect his manhood as only a real man thinks like this. Kos tryna come with the Fedor mindset and beat you were you are best at. Problem is that has never worked for anyone except our Lord Fedor. Daley’s left hook is coming and is going to connect. I hope Kos does stand for a while but hopefully he is smart and decides to take him down and molest him on the ground as he di to Johnson.
Also Machida trying to convince us he won is laughable.
i actually thought machida won
when i watched it live, i thought shogun pulled it off.
but the more i watch that fight, the more i see lyoto win.
the commentary of rogan and goldie was biased. all they did was praise shogun.
if you watch it on mute, and their incessant babbling isn’t influencing the viewer’s opinion,
then i saw machida clearly win Rds 2 & 3, and a close Rd 1 for machida as well.
but for Joe Rogan to say “the most controversial decision of 2009” is ridiculous! at least this fight was truly close enough to go either way, although i scored it 48-47 machida.
has anyone forgotten about couture vs vera??? did anyone actually think couture won? besides the dumbass judges of course……
by LeeroyJenkin$ on Apr 19, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
...neither of which are underdogs.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Apr 19, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
harsh lol
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
Love having Dana talk about how “neither of these guys are going to take it to the ground” when Shogun and Machida a
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Apr 19, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions
Fuck, thought I hit the cancel button.
Love having Dana talk about how "neither of these guys are going to take it to the ground" when Shogun and Machida are both great on the ground as well and Shogun did try to do exactly that a handful of times in the first fight.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 19, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Arguably, Shogun is stronger on the ground than his standup (arguably of course, but I am trying to point out that his ground game is very strong). Machida also has a BJJ black belt and went to the ground with Thiago Silva, David Heath, Sokoudjou, Nakamura, Hoger and Tito Ortiz (almost all of his opponents). Dana White was WAY OFF base here.
It always seemed strange to me (not really) that Dana advertises a lot of fights by saying “this fight is not going to the ground”, just like ground fighting would be something unwanted. I think he’s bad for the sport. (sarcasm).
by dancingChicken on Apr 20, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
These are two of the smartest fighters in the world
My gut tells me to take Lyoto in the rematch, considering he was the one who got surprised in the last match up and he will be able to make adjustments. In theory Shogun could just use the same strategy again. But Shogun just read Lyoto’s style so well. When he was breaking the fight down in this video it seemed so concise. It made Lyoto’s style, which has been so hard for trained and experienced writers to explain sound so simple. Part of me has faith he’ll figure him out again. This is going to be a great card.
Im in agreeance with you a 100% hiebstasic.
I mean I wouldn’t be suprised if Shogun won either but I think Lyoto does take this based on that.
Also I really don’t think anyone if knocking Machida out. He just is too good to take heavy damage. Seeing how Shogun lost a decision which was pretty much the best he could do I don’t see how Shogun can win with the judges at all.
He can't
He’s going to have to score a KO or a sub to win. The judges have already shown they are incompetent.
I disagree.
Machida is the one who will need to finish the fight. The judges (Peoples notwithstanding) may overcompensate the other way this time when scoring the rounds.
by Polyhedron on Apr 19, 2010 9:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or maybe they’ll just do their job correctly this time?
by ufc4 on Apr 19, 2010 10:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Most cases it is harder game-planing as the winner then the loser but in this case I think it is the opposite for Machida and Shogun. Shogun exploited a weakness in Machida’s style and now Machida has had all this time to improve and make changes that Shogun cannot gameplan for. I couldn’t begin to think of what Shogun would decide to do differently and using the same game plan may end up being useless if Machida executes on whatever changes he’s made to negate his previous weakness.
koscheck better win this shit so he gets an effing title shot
if not, and he chooses to strike with daley, goodnight and good day to you sir, i’m of your train.
Hope it wasn't any amount you'll miss.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 19, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
it would piss me off to no end. koscheck/ gsp II needs to happen.. its the only ww title fight worth watching until dana signs fitch 2.0 or paulo thiago gets Braz Cop on someone elses ass
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
"or paulo thiago gets Braz Cop on someone elses ass"
that shit was funny…but in all seriousness, I completely agree with you.
The Dragon vs Shogun Volume 2.
Cant wait for round 6 to start. This is going to be another war.
by Ghost Face Killer on Apr 19, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
It has been a good couple months since both Machida and Shogun have fought, so this rematch really comes off as fresh, and something to look forward to. I am very interested in seeing their gameplans for this fight. I have been on the Machida bandwagon for awhile, and I have to go with Machida to win this one.
i love kimbo as much as the next guy, but hes getting ktfo against mitrione. his boxing is really not that good, mitrione got up against jones, who is much, much, much stronger on the ground, and mitrione has one punch ko power. plus he won’t gallop away the whole fight like houston
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t given this fight much thought. Guess I kinda want Kimbo to rattle off a few wins so we can see him face a big-ish name. If only he could somehow work his way up to Kongo. That would be hilarious.
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by a tommy point on Apr 19, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
kongo would punch the grill out of kimbo’s mouth… kongo is a MONSTER and everyone gives him shit because he’s lost to very high level grapplers
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
That’s why I want to see it.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Apr 19, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
he got a knockdown, but despite rogans screaming kongo wasn’t close to being out. and i still recognize mir as a top 10, possibly top 5 heavyweight
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Kongo should go to K1. He will never have a chance with the top guys in the UFC.
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by ANance on Apr 19, 2010 8:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he would get PWNED in k-1, frank mir caught him clean so overeem would knee his face out of orbit
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think he could get closer to the top in K1. He has to be a few losses away from being cut.
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by ANance on Apr 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he will NEVER get cut.
good looking + french + black + accent + hercules body = you can sell him in a fight against anyone
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m willing to bet whatever he will get cut if he keeps losing. No one is above being cut. Just look at Drew McFredries, he was chiseled KO artist who no matter what always had exciting fights. CUT.
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by ANance on Apr 19, 2010 9:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’s too slow for K1. I saw few of his kickboxing fights and they weren’t impressive.
But with his god like physique he could make good money in Japan.
by dancingChicken on Apr 20, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
he got dropped. he snapped out of it immediately though.
the problem was, mir had him on the ground then.
by LeeroyJenkin$ on Apr 19, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean that slip, where Kongo busted his ass trying to get out of the way of Mir’s fists?
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 19, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Kongo would beat kimbo no question
kimbo kongo,
sounds good together [kimbo kongo]
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by higgledy-piggledy on Apr 19, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree 100% with you...
especially the kimbo kongo
Sounds like a Caribbean cocktail
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by higgledy-piggledy on Apr 19, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit that was hilarious...
I didn’t even think of it but I could totally see a cocktail with that name.
I hate that Dana thinks marketing Shogun and Lyoto as pure strikers makes the fight more compelling.
I know, and many times when that happens, one of the “pure strikers” takes the other down because he has the edge in wrestling. Epic backfire.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 19, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m really stoked for this card. I am predicting the numbers won’t be amazing but it’ll be one of those shows that is exciting from top to bottom, and a real show.
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OH YES~ AWESOME MATCHES IN CANADA~
*I LUV EVERY MATCH ON THIS CARD~ MACHIDA vs.SHOGUN 2 WON’T GO TO JUDGES HANDS n HOPEFULLY
*I LUV every match on this card~
Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio Shogun Rua2 won’t go to judges hands n we’ll get to see Anderson Silva vs. Shogun or Shogun against Lil Nog 2 if Lil Nog wins against Forrest Griffen….
wait I totally forgot about Rashad vs. Ramapage~
YAY UFC keep ’em coming~ 205 lbs division for the win
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why did you post two pics of cuthbert and one of johanson? and wouldnt one sexy pic be enough?
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If Lil Nog beats Forrest he’ll probably go up against Jon Bones I think.
by Polyhedron on Apr 19, 2010 9:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm I hope Dana doesn’t put Nogueira against Jones just yet. Although Jones could easily win, Nogueira’s strengths (boxing and jiujitsu from the back) fit perfectly against Jones’ ever improving weaknesses.
I just don’t want to see this talented a guy thrown in the deep end. He’ll probably go all the way eventually but Nogueira could definetely stall him.
I think Forrest and Thiago make much safer steps up in competition than Nogueira
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Annnnd reply fail.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 19, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Go Shogun, whoop his ass for a second time and bring home the belt!!!!
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
That would imply he whooped his ass the first time
He may have won (personally I scored it for Machida) but it was anything but an ass whoopin’.
Machida could barely walk after the fight and for some time. It was a very close fight to score but Machida got his ass kicked.
Lawler could barely walk during his fight with Manhoef, does that mean he got his ass whupped too?
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by ANance on Apr 19, 2010 8:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would say if you can barely walk, you sufficiently got your ass kicked…..Win or lose.
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 19, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, getting your ass kicked and winning fights are two separate categories. Scott Smith has made a career of getting his ass kicked win or lose.
his foot hit the top of the cage from a manhoef kick… if melvin didn’t have the adhd patience he wouldve tkoed lawler from leg kicks
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t saying he didn’t, I was just curious what the general opinion was. I would take an ass whupping in victory over a quick loss any day though.
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by ANance on Apr 19, 2010 8:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
is there ever gonna be a dominant champion at 205?
i think the fighters might be too equally skilled for their to be a dominant champion like a gsp or silva
there was a talent split though
half the good fighters were in pride
There's a talent split right now...
half the good LHW’s are in Strikeforce
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 19, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Are you mocking that guy or being serious, I can’t tell.
I would hope he is kidding.
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by ANance on Apr 19, 2010 9:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you saying there are only 4 good 205ers, or are you actually including Soko and Babalu in this category?
by Polyhedron on Apr 19, 2010 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Many MMA fans are hoping that Jon “Bones” Jones will be that guy. Machida and Shogun are interchangeably number one and number two in my opinion, but there are fighters like Rogerio Nogueira and Rampage (Evans is there, but the dominating loss to Machida is still fresh in MMA fans’ minds) waiting in the wings in the near future with Jones and Bader coming up the ranks.
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Man I love some Koshckeck! Hopefully he gets his shot after this one.
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Yeah
Part of it is his style of fighting and part of it is that I never really can dislike heels. Not to say that Kos is a heel but def someone many ppl want to see ko’d enough that they’re rooting for an equally(imo moreso) cocky BRIT.
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I'm rooting for Kos to get Ko'd
But not because I dislike him. I just really, really like watching Semtex knock dudes out.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 19, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m actually a fan of Kos, but that left hook is ridiculous.
by Neil Manich on Apr 19, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I've admittedly got a boxing bias
But Daley is my favorite guy in MMA to watch right now, thanks in large part to that hook. So sweet. I wouldn’t lay money on Semtex, but I’ll be rooting for him all the way.
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by Dave Strummer on Apr 19, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Same here.
I really dont dislike Koscheck, I actually admire him whenever he step ups for any fight. I simply like Daley alot.
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I'm excited!
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by higgledy-piggledy on Apr 19, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions
Shit changes all the time but the winner of Kos vs Daley will likely coach tuf against Diego Sanchez – winner of that fighting GSP after shields.
Diego and Kos coaching tuf will be epic.
Doesn’t Diego need a tune up fight. Him getting his face smashed in by BJ is still far too fresh in my mind.
Different division?
That’s the easiest way to sell it. It’s not like he was sent down to 155 with his tail between his legs, he was a top 10 WW at the time of the switch.
diego shouldve never went down. hes too slow for lw and the cut took away from his g n p, he was too weak. i think this time around ww he’s going to be a pissed off force of yes to reckon with
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed. id also like diego vs saunders or condit
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think he was too slow in LW, his fights against Guida and Stevenson showed fast hands. Diego can still be a contender in LW if he wanted to. A great challenger for Florian, Edgar and Maynard. The BJ demolition job was too much for him though, but I like him on both divisions.
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So Diego is only two wins away from a title shot at welterweight? Man that division has been decimated.
diegos recent losses>> fitch, kos (with staph), uberpenn.
you cant discount penn for his loss to frankie because of its nature, and until we see the rematch
diegos lost to a top pound for pound fighter and two of the top 5 wws in the world. if he wins two, he definitely deserves it
by Austin Martin on Apr 19, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been reading your posts for a while...
You often speak as if you’re an insider(working with the UFC) and I’m wondering are you? or are you just calling them like you see them. If you’re an insider thanks for the heads up and please reply it a ? I’ve been wondering about. Thanks
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Sorry for bringing up an ancient topic, but anyone who has mentioned shogun machida 1 here has called Shogun the winner. Am I the only one here who thought Machida won or are there others? Now I will retreat under my desk and protect my head with my hands.
I scored the bout for Machida on every single viewing
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 19, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well? I did
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 19, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I’ve scored that fight three times.The best I can do is give Machida two rounds.And I was rooting for the man.
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I totally bought into that whole “Machida Era” thing and really wanted Machida to win, possibly to the point of total bias, and I absolutely could not give that fight to him. If the judges would have given Shogun every round I don’t think I would have argued against it.
I'd have given it to Shogun, but only by a whisker.
I could see it either way.
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Yeah, there’s at least two rounds that I think you could argue justifiably for 10-10, or 10-9 to either fighter. To me, it was just as close as a fight can possibly get.
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There have been a couple that I can recall in the last while, but only rarely. Just because judges don’t score rounds 10-10, though, doesn’t mean that 10-10 rounds don’t exist. It’s just that judges in MMA at present are largely uneducated and mildly crazy (Crosby).
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me too.. well almost...
I thought Shogun won handily watching it live. Rewatching it later without the biased commentary, and noticing more of the uncalled action… Machida edged out 3 rounds.
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I think Machida didn't lose...but he didn't win it outright...
but Shogun needed to do more than kick the champ. When the winner was announced I didn’t think about the controversy…I thought about whether Shogun beat the champ or just hit the champ…I thought the same thing would happen with Penn/Edgar but it (the fight) became stayed one-dimensional after the second round and Edgar just stayed the course. I agree with the earlier post that Machida has learned more from the first fight…and Shogun will carry the same game-plan. I LOVE MMA!
by RickNakedChoke on Apr 19, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
“To be the champ you have to BEAT the champ” is not in the Unified MMA Rulebook. Just ask Rampage.
by Polyhedron on Apr 19, 2010 9:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and it’s a stupid principle. Literally true: Yes, barring some odd situation where there’s a vacant belt, the path to becoming champion is beating the current champion. But “beating” should only be taken as winning the fight.
There is no reason to score a round in a championship fight any differently than in any other. Imagine a judge saying to himself “well, round 2 was pretty close, and normally I’d say the challenger won it, but he wasn’t that dominant, so we’ll give it to the champ, even though he technically lost it.”
Or if they’re not looking at it that way, do they get to the end and say “Well, I have it 48-47 Shogun, but Machida’s the champ, so I’ll just change it to 48-47 Machida.”
Nope. I thought Machida won as well.
Multiple viewings have not changed my mind.
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You gotta do more than kick the champ to win...
I think you have to pry the championship away or win by KO…which is how this fight will end…Machida by KO and some leg kicks for good measure! LOL!
by RickNakedChoke on Apr 19, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to be harsh
but this is a completely inane comment. You have to do more than kick the champ? What the heck does that even mean? What if you kick him 100 times, and he only punches you once? Does he still win because you didn’t “pry” it away from him or KO him? What constitutes prying? What if you kick him until the whole side of his body is hamburger and he’s limping around? That still doesn’t count for anything right?
You can argue that strikes to the head should count more in the scoring than to the leg or body, but leg and body blows can and do end fights, so you have to score them.
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Machida really looks like he’s in shape, His face is a lot smaller and less pudgy.
I think he’ll find a way to put shogun down this time.
Not to mention he had a hand injury last time; so I wonder how that effected his game plan and abilities.
For all the talk of “shogun won”, we can see the betting odds on the fight.
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They had said he had an injury to it before the fight that worsened during the fight I believe. Though I’m going by memory and I am getting old. It just stuck out because I remember thinking when I read it that maybe it was why he was a little off.
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by JeremyShane on Apr 19, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Shogun will not be KOed.
Machida’s only way to success is a decision or a less likely sub.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
Finally Machida will silence the critics and win this fight decisively.
Anyone want a pic/sig bet?
"Hug it out Bitch"
So we meet again.......
"Hug it out Bitch"
by Earl Montclair on Apr 19, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Word has it both Shogun and Machida are looking for the translator voice to knock his ass out.
by Dooda on Apr 19, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i have always liked Machida
it was really close and that is why we are getting to watch it a 2nd time and we should be thankful for seeing it so soon after their 1st fight. immediate rematch? Hell Yea!!! what was so suprising to me in that fight was shogun’s patience when he was timing the low kick so well in the 4th and 5th rounds and at one point during this time i was fearful of a stoppage. Machida was in a completely defensive posture and retreating, it was masterful. i think if shogun is %100 cardio wise his muay thai again will be a problem for Machida. i just dont see how Machida can make the kind of adjustments needed to beat shogun in this short time frame. so as a fan its gonna hurt a little watching shogun beat Machida.
I didnt get my mayweather/pacman… I didnt get my Vitor/Anderson… but dammit if Im not gonna get my Shogun/Machida.
that's a lot of C's
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 19, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Still too much time for injuries...
don’t jinx it
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 19, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
^^^ This
I have tickets, and I had to sit through Anderson/Leites last year, don’t jinx this for me!
I can't wait for this card.
I think Shogun will come out all guns blazing. I think he’s learned from the last time of letting it go to the judges. On the flip side, I think Machida will be expecting this and will plan accordingly. Shit, I have no idea who’s gonna win this one and honestly, I don’t care. Looking forward to it!
As for Kos / Daley, Kos would be an imbecile to stand with Daley. I think Kos really wants that title shot, so he’s not gonna get stupid. So long as he goes back to his wrestling, I think this is his to lose.
As for Kimbo, what can I say? He’ll go to sleep, but hopefully we get to see a Kimbo-plex before that happens.
I don't want to lick any butt. - GSP
The prmotion/hype and ultimately the narrative of the last fight was “Machida has never lost a round”… if you’re a judge how eager do you think you’d be to not give him any close round?
This time the narrative will be how everyone thought shogun won. and shit will work the same way only in the opposite direction.
If its the same fight 10 out of 10 times they give it to shogun. The onus is now on Machida to win convincingly.
If they both come in as the same fighters shogun is the safer bet.
I just want to add something...........
Gooooooooooooooo Filthy Tom Lawlor
When we pull our pants down in front of teacher which way should we stand? I mean do we show her our butts or our weiners?
I am so excited for this fight...
Shogun vs. Machida: The first fight I scored as a draw to be honest. After watching it I can’t comfortably give either 1 the 3rd round so I scored it a 10-10 with the first 2 going to Machida and the final 2 to Shogun. I have no idea who is going to win this fight, my heart says Shogun, but in my mind I see Lyoto taking home the decision less controversely.
Koscheck vs Daley: I can’t tell if Koscheck is being serious about standing with Daley. Part of me believed he would without even hearing that. That fight completely depends on Koscheck. There are 2 options for Koscheck 1) get knocked out in the first round, or 2) be smart and take it to the ground and probably finish him by GnP TKO.
I am debating a 2 man underdog parlay just to see if I can get lucky on Shogun and Daley.
Any of you think its worth around $100 per ticket for cheap seats plus hotel (and strip clubs) and about a five hour drive each way to attend this event? Or is it worth it to pony up and get better seats? Part of me wants to do it and part of me says wait until next time and get the tickets when they go on sale (cheaper than ebay.)
Ive never gone to a UFC event before but since Montreal is so much fun and this card has so much potential I am considering this one.
Yes, Go.
If you can go and you dont you will regret it. I was unsure too but after going to UFC98 it was 100% worth every dime.
When we pull our pants down in front of teacher which way should we stand? I mean do we show her our butts or our weiners?
by Earl Montclair on Apr 19, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The city of Montreal
is worth it by itself. Trust me dude, Montreal in the spring is a ton of fun, throw in the fight, even the weigh ins. You’ll have a blast.
If you plan on buying tickets through Ticketmaster I highly doubt there are any $100 seats left.
by ufc4 on Apr 19, 2010 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Of course, go!
It’s not Columbus, dude. It’s mo’ree’al.
Hit it like Vegas.
http://www.vancouversun.com/mma
YES! CAN'T WAIT!
Stout’s last fight was awesome. Belcher’s last fight was awesome. Shogun/Machida 1 was awesome. WHOOOOO!
Rumor – Winner of Josh Koscheck vs. Paul Daley will be the new TUF 12 coach
I received an email from someone who trains in Team Roughhouse. Apparently over the weekend, Joe Silva called Paul Daley to let him know that the winner of his upcoming UFC 113 bout with Josh Koscheck will be the new coach on The Ultimate Fighter Season 12
look at the time stamp of my comment and this guys post… The nevada thing is utter horse shit though.
by mmalogic on Apr 19, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like Daley at those odds
Not a bad bet at +220, it’s not like we haven’t seen Kos get knocked out before and Daley’s hands are pretty lethal.
No going to the judges this time
Both fighters have said it, they do not want this going to the judges again. Which means shogun will have to take more risks which will fall into Machida’s strengths.
Also aside from leg kicks, shogun was never close to finishing the fight. The leg kicks were having an accumalative effect but it took 5 rounds to cripple machida. Machida said in the second round I think and later on, he had shogun in a lot of trouble and close to finish, this time I can see him finishing the fight.
Either way, I am hoping for a great fight.
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