Jason "Mayhem" Miller Issues An Apology for His Role in the Strikeforce: Nashville Brawl
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 19, 2010 4:16 AM EDT
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Jason "Mayhem" Miller released an official statement from his official website regarding the brawl on the CBS broadcast this past weekend:
My Apology to MMA
I would like to formally apologize to CBS, Strikeforce, and all fans of mixed martial arts for my role in the events following the Strikeforce: Nashville event. In retrospect, my timing could not have been worse to ask for my rematch with Jake Sheilds, and I take full responsibility for entering the cage and setting off a chain of events that cast a dark shadow on the sport. I've been a fighter and a fan of MMA for over 12 years, and would never do anything to intentionally tarnish the sport I've given my life to. In the excitement of the moment I let my emotions run high and made a bad choice that resulted in a debacle, for that, I sincerely apologize.
Jason Mayhem Miller
I personally don't put much blame on Mayhem for the resulting incident, but it is nice to see that he did issue an apology, where it could have been much easier to simply wash his hands and point a finger towards the Cesar Gracie camp. I wonder if we should be expecting the same gesture from Diaz and the other guys who attacked him.
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of course mayhem should apologize
he just made nick diaz really angry, ya know
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I'd like to apologize beacuse....
Because my manager insisted that if I didnt want to spend my remaining career fighting in in the darkest corners of Japan I should apologize to the one promotion that still puts stock in me
Nice gesture
But he really doesn’t need to apologize. He was just hyping the rematch, which also benefits Jake Shields, since people usually have a hard time getting excited about his fights…
Maybe Jake Shields thought he was just playing into the whole grudge match angle when he pushed Mayhem, but the whole Cesar Gracie camp jumping Miller definitely crossed the line.
Lets suppose I decide to walk through a dark ally, filled with some unscrupulous characters late at night and get mugged. Do I deserve to get mugged? Is it right or okay that it happened to me? No of course not. Should I have known better than to have been there in the first place? YES!
There are two guys in the ring that are known hot heads (the Diaz brothers) and two guys that are coming off probably the biggest wins of their careers (Shields and Gil), obviously emotions are going to running high and anybody with half a brain would look at that and see how volatile a situation that it really is.
Obviously the Cesar Gracie boys were in the wrong, there is no disputing that. But I think its wrong to absolve Miller of any responsibility in the matter, and good on him for issuing the apology.
by PM23 on Apr 19, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Well put..
You’re 100% correct..
In a court of law, the Gracie camp would be held liable and found guilty because there was no threat presented by Mayhem or verbal attack in which a threat could be discerned from.. Therefore, the guilt lay in the hands of the attackers for physical abuse..
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Actually, thats wrong
1. Mayhem decided on the spur of the moment to interrupt the interview just as it started and have a confrontation, knowing that all Shields camp people would be there. It is well known that these confrontations are always requested beforehand and must be approved by the officials, promoter and both parties. he ignored this.
2. After the initial shove by Gil and Jake, he continued to shove everyone around him further, and harder. That is further provocation and escalation.
3. He was throwing strikes, along with his manager and one of his cornermen. Mutual combat is not abuse.
4. No police were called, nor did any appear, nor were any questions asked or investigations started, nor will there ever be.
5. Mayhem suffered no ill effects from the brawl, he looked fine in the 24 interviews he did after and at his after party until 8am.
6. You do not have the perspective of the people involved and therefore cannot make an accurate assessment of what was considered a threat.
7. You do not decide where guilt lays by watching a video.
by SimplePsych on Apr 19, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
except for a few inaccuracies in your own list there
You can only respond to force with like force; so shoving begets shoving and all is well; does not excuse multiple people attacking or punching in response to a shove. Also once he is down and hitting continues and he is no longer a threat; you go in to a whole new territory of battery. Mayhem deciding to go up there might be an a-hole move; or a work issue with his boss; but really plays no part is allowing for them to initially put their hands on him and shove him back.
But the last half of your list pretty much sums up what will happen. Which is nothing.
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Well written, I will offer a challenge....
Firstly; how “bad” is the Mayhem vs. Stockton transgression for the world of MMA? I realize that “this is CBS prime time, this is national TV, etc.” but the adage “no publicity is bad publicity” in today’s ever connected society should be considered. As a company, Strikeforce probably isn’t too pleased as CBS is their bread and butter, however you have to admit that it was one of the more entertaining moments of the night.
Secondly; if you’re going to lay partial blame on Miller, the poop goes upstream. Where was Strikeforce’s management in all of this? Why did the ring look like a clown car filled with “known hot heads” post fight?
So, here’s my assignment of blame…
1.) Tennessee athletic commission – poor policy regarding people in the ring post fight
2.) Strikeforce Management – not having their own policy regarding people in the ring post fight
3.) Bridgestone Arena – poor security and control of the situation
4.) Gilbert Melendez – instigated with “the push”
5.) Jake Shields – pusher #2 (further instigating)
6.) The Diaz Brothers – the Stockton beatdown
7.) Miller – ill timed challenge/hype
Thoughts?
“No publicity is bad publicity” is something that is true in a lot of situations, but not when you’re already fighting an uphill battle against these exact stereotypes. However in the grand scheme of things, I think CBS will look at the poor rating more than the brawl when considering whether to extend their partnership with SF, because at the end of the day it’s always about money. Had they done great rating, I doubt CBS would have even given a second thought to the brawl. But combine it with low ratings, and I don’t think it bodes well for SF.
As for assigning blame, I totally agree with you. The reason I had singled out Miller in my post was because the person I was replying to had said that “he really doesn’t need to apologize”, which I disagreed with. And although I was talking about Miller when I said that “anybody with half a brain would look at that and see how volatile a situation that it really is” that could really be applied to everyone on your list (except maybe the arena people who may not have known the about the reputations of the people involved before hand).
But most certainly if there was even a little bit of common sense applied to the situation by anybody involved, the whole mess could have been avoided. As far as I’m concerned, everybody should have known better.
He wasn’t hyping a match, because the match isn’t going to happen. He lost convincingly and then beat a guy with a .500 record, how does that justify a re-match.
The gracie team was wrong, but they would have been just fine if Mayhem had stayed out of the interview. His act was the act that instigated the event, and he deserves alot of the blame.
Who cares if he deserved a rematch, that's not the issue.
Frank Shamrock could enter the cage and ask for a title shot, he wouldn’t deserve an actual beating. Well when I picture Shamrock being jumped by the diaz bros it’s funny, but still…
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by spectaa on Apr 19, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
do you not know anything about strikeforce? look at how thin their roster is, rematches are all they have.
by nogroundgame on Apr 19, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the gracie camp discredited the sport and the gracie name on live tv...
If you have half a brain you dont need to resolve anything like this with your fists, you have a mouth and language for that. You don’t just go around attacking people just because they piss you off… especially as a fighter since you are an ambassador to the sport and the techniques you learn are dangerous so you have a responsibility to keep your cool.
Mayhem only made a minor faux pas, the cesar gracie camp jumped him like 6 on 1 for no valid reason at all. They are the ones that make the sport look bad, they are the ones that I think are to blame for the criminal assault. I hope they get punished accordingly… and especially for kicking a man while your buddies keep him on the ground, I spit on that.
Let's face it:
The Gracie name is disgraced every time a Gracie steps into the ring, these days.
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He does need to apologize
I don’t understand why people are just writing off what Miller did as some sort of hype antics. He steps up behind shields, blocking his poster, and interrupts him just as he’s about to give the post fight interview from the biggest win in his entire career. Essentially grabs the mic and blurts out something about a rematch.
Miller was in the wrong, he should not have done that, promoting fights is up to the promoter though, and frankly, Scott Coker should have been around to control this, period. While Miller was wrong, Scott Coker is pretty much just as wrong.
That being said? The Cesar Gracie camp was extremely wrong. I get that testosterone is flowing, and frankly, you mix hotheads and Miller doing something as stupid as interrupting someone who they feel is like their brother during his biggest moment? Of course they’re going to pop off. This goes back to the whole ring control thing. While Miller should have had the foresight to predict something like this happening, what the Cesar Gracie camp did was inexcusable.
Coker was wrong
Miller was wrong
The Cesar Gracie camp was the worst of them all
Miller has rightfully apologized, he genuinely misread a situation and I think he knows that if the tables were turned he would have done the same thing, hence why he hasn’t bashed the CG camp whatsoever. Now that Miller has apologized though, if the members of the Cesar Gracie camp that were involved have any balls whatsoever, they will issue a personal apology to Miller, and to the fans. Mayhem may be an annoying twit sometimes, but the difference between him and most of us is that he’s an actual fighter, and he’s actually been there cornering friends he’d go to war for. He understands why what he did was over the line. Instigating a situation like he did (albeit unintentionally) is a dumb move, and he seems sincerely apologetic for it. Kudos Miller for stepping up, also for walking away from that looking relatively not battered.
by Patrick John McGreevy on Apr 19, 2010 5:12 AM EDT reply actions
I think Coker and Strikeforce weighed up their options and decided it was easier to put most of the heat on Mayhem, instead of alienating the camp that holds 3/5 of their champions.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
by Sam Cupitt on Apr 19, 2010 5:13 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
and that's probably the reason why
they won’t be punished much, if at all…
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 19, 2010 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Miller should get off free for deciding to interrupt that live broadcast?
Based on what Coker said in the post fight interviews. Mayhem Miller had no business interrupting that interview. I think Coker weighed up the thought that Mayhem Miller choose to go in business for himself and preempted Coker’s live MMA event on CBS to cut a promo on Shields.
I’m not sure why this keeps getting overlooked. Mayhem Miller deserves to be punished by Scott Coker for taking it upon himself to interrupt a live TV broadcast for his own selfish reasons.
I for one am happy to see Mayhem Miller come forward and take responsibility for his actions.
Now we just need the Gracie Camp to be come forward and apologize and accept responsibility for their part in escalating the matter.
Just BE.
I went a little off with a couple points there. I’m going to try and make the point I wish I would have made.
I think this comment is slightly unfair to Coker.
I think Coker and Strikeforce weighed up their options and decided it was easier to put most of the heat on Mayhem, instead of alienating the camp that holds 3/5 of their champions.
I think it is possible for Coker to look at everything that happened and hold everyone accountable for their own actions. In post fight interviews he said he hadn’t seen the fight footage. Without seeing it he couldn’t place fault or blame on the actions in the actual fight. However he did know for a fact at that point in time that Mayhem Miller had took it upon himself to interrupt his live broadcast on CBS. So he had reason to come down on Mayhem.
I see Coker separating this out and punishing Mayhem for interrupting his live broadcast and then after he watches the footage I see him punishing the Gracie Camp for their actions regarding the fight.
Just BE.
Miller is about 5% of the blame here. The Diaz boys were just looking for a reason to throw. I’m a fan of the Diaz brothers as well as Melendez but the were total thugs Saturday night and they seem very proud of themselves.
by KING FEDOR on Apr 19, 2010 5:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
in other words, they were at that moment exactly who they always are. Can’t be a fan of them all the other time, and then decry their actions on Sat. night.
by argyle on Apr 19, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone commenting this..
Should really watch the clip where they kick and punch Mayhem while he is held down. Nothing justifies that.
What Brock said to Carwin was worse.. Of course the circumstances were different.
Btw, is it just me or does SF allow way too much people in the cage after a fight? After Fedor – Rogers there was probably Fedor’s whole hometown in the ring.
Anyone commenting on this should really watch the clip where they kick and punch Mayhem while he is held down. Nothing justifies that.
Exactly. Even if his actions were inappropriate, there was nothing even boarderline illegal about what Mayhem did. His comments would not have been a black eye on the sport. The Diaz brothers jumping him and people kicking and punching him while he’s held down is illegal and a terible thing for the sport.
It was millers fault, that fucker was trying to steal Shields moment, blocking his poster so that he could get his 15 minutes in the spot, Sneaked his way into the cage.
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Fighters routinely go into the cage to call out another fighter.
The ones who strike 1st are to blame.
Period.
by justbleed9999 on Apr 19, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
If a house full of idiots on TUF can avoid actually breaking out into fights (Junie Browning aside)
for fear of being being repremanded or kicked off the show, sureley you should expect your welterweight champion to be held to the same standard.
I thought the ones whining
were those wetting their pants and scratching their eyes out in want of the Diaz bros heads.
by bleve_ on Apr 19, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right.
Because, heck, it was only a gang beating with head kicks. I mean, what sort of pussy doesn’t do that for fun, right?
Wake up.
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No
Didn’t you hear, the Diaz bros were throwing gang signs, then they efficiently held Miller down so he was defenseless and beat him to within an inch of his life.
yeah….“beat the hell out of him” is a phrase that’s been tossed around quite a bit the last few days.
if he truly had the “hell beaten out of him” shouldn’t there be some evidence that it actually happened, like Diego’s forehead, or Fitch’s face after GSP painted it all blue and painful? And before you cry about the video being evidence, save your breath. I’ve seen Chris Angel levitate on TV, but that doesn’t mean he actually did it.
shields actually “kicked his ass” when referring to their sanctioned fight. so, hugging someone for 15 minutes = kicking ass, apprently.
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Apr 20, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, so you're one of those guys that actually boos
when someone is demonstrating ground skill.
Youtube has all the kimbo streetfights you could possibly want.
by bleve_ on Apr 20, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I get it.
It was * magic *!
If I fire a bullet at you and miss, the fact remains I fired a bullet at you.
If your buddies hold someone down and you put the slipper in a few times, whether you landed them in the teeth or the ass, you still went for the boot on a defenseless dude.
Defend it all you like, but understand it illustrates the sort of person you are when you go to bat for a bunch of guys who ganged up on one guy, no matter how big an ass that one guy might be,
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i’m not going to bat for anyone…i;m trying to get people to get realistic about what happened and stop making things up. you;ve been running around claiming it was 7 to 1, and that people got kicked in the head, when the reality of the situation is neither of those are true. I’m a fan of pretty much everyone involved(shields not so much) and i thought the whole thing was funny and seemed a little set up but whatever. it’s not a good thing, but it’s not that big of a deal either. all i’m saying is stop making things up. especially when everyone with a dvr or an internet connection can see what actually happened.
Dude
In retrospect, my timing could not have been worse to ask for my rematch with Jake Shields, and I take full responsibility for entering the cage and setting off a chain of events that cast a dark shadow on the sport.
Get off your righteous indignation high-horse. Everyone saw the situation through their own lens but don’t try to play like you’re an unbiased observer. Miller was hopping around like a monkey when confronted for being an idiot, he was also being aggressive.
No one’s condoning the fight, just pointing out that Miller has significant culpability in the whole thing. Spare us the dramatic language and the reference to gangs, its dumbing down the dialogue.
The Diaz’s and the rest of the Gracie camp deserve most of the blame, but still nice to see Miller apologize for his role in it.
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I'm still waiting for Kid Nate's formal apology...
because we all know this was somehow his fault.
by PM23 on Apr 19, 2010 7:20 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
“Kid Nate” alias for….
Nate Diaz!!!!!
du-du-duhhhhhh
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I seriously do not understand this trivialization of Miller’s role in this.
He aggressively and disrespectuly interrupted Shields’s biggest career moment, muscling his way into the spotlight. It is thoughtless, provocative and stupid move in any circumstances, in cage full of fighters and emotions riding high even more so.
Yes, Gracie camp’s reaction was utterly unacceptable (and hopefully soon punished) but Miller had a big hand in it and if he is man enough to acknowladge it so should most of you (us).
I don’t think saying he was not fully to blame is not a trivialization. He didn’t “aggressively” do anything; Shields saw him standing there and tapped him on the chest and said “ask this guy” to the interviewer before Miller leaned in and asked for his rematch. And he was there b/c he was cornering Hendo and Shields knew he was up there.
I still don’t think Miller should have stood there at the beginning of his interview; let him talk first about his win before you try the hype challenge. And I also don’t think he should do that without the promoters OK. But that doesn’t mean I think the response he got was in anyway acceptable or falls completely on him. The Gracie camp are grown men, they should not act like school yard thugs.
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I don’t think saying he was not fully to blame is not a trivialization
Thank you. Some people are misunderstanding “not much blame” for “mayhem is perfect he is a beautiful angel of fluffy goodness”…
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 19, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you, I’ll try to elaborate a bit… I absolutely agree that he was not fully to blame and that much of the blame is at eager hands of Gracie fighters.
What I found “aggressive” was Miller’s body language, he got into Shield’s personal space, of course nothing beatdown worthy.
Too close… (sorry this is not really good example but it is best I could find while working:))
And I do not misunderstand “I personally don’t put much blame on Mayhem for the resulting incident” for the idea that Mayhem poops rainbows. I just don’t agree with this mild categorization of Miller’s part in this. That said there are less critical (even approving) takes on Miller’s actions in comments section that I find puzzling.
by zombie_hobbes on Apr 19, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He was ghetting into the camera view.
Mayhem was also smiling… Looks more playful than threatening to me.
It is simple man...
That said there are less critical (even approving) takes on Miller’s actions in comments section that I find puzzling
Interupting a interview is a faux pas, and it’s a little rude, but it isn’t illegal and it isn’t going to make anyone thing MMA isn’t a ligitimate sport.
Punching someone in the face, and holding them down while your frriends apply a beating is illeagal and is does cause people to think poorly off MMA.
Replace “easy” by “hard”, “to not know” by “to know” and you got something.
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all i was saying was that interupting someone when theyre talking may only seem rude to some people but to others it is blatant disrespect and should not be tolerated. that doesnt excuse anything that happened saturday night, i just thought it should be noted that to some interupting an interview is a faux pas and to some its more than that
That’s a reflex, you see your buddy in trouble, you jump in, you don’t ask.
But: miller was alone and not threatening, they are supposed to be professional fighters and it was national television. Three things that should have been able to prevent this bullshit.
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I wish someone
would do a gif of Miller jumping and waving his arms like a monkey in a “not threatening” manner that night.
that’s a good excuse when you are a teenager; not when you are a man and can open your eyes and see the world how it is
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Yeah, Shields looks real threatened.
And Miller’s smile just says “I’m going to eat you.”
Right. Got it.
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I get the feeling
you haven’t been in or seen many real life physical confrontations. There’s plenty of punks that will smile at a person up until the moment they crack them.
by bleve_ on Apr 19, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually right before Miller spoke and stepped up; Shields tapped him on the chest (more of a violation of personal space if we really want to talk about our personal bubbles) and said “ask this guy” to the interviewer.
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Shields also threw the first punch btw
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Thast is like saying it is a girls fault she got raped,
…because she wore a short skirt and flirted with a drunk guy.
That is blatant bull shit!
The person who commits the crime is guilty of the crime. Mayhem may have been dumb, but his actions weren’t criminal. The Diaz brothers reacted in a criminal way.
Even if you want to say they are both wrong, which is fine Think of the two things by themelves:
1) Mayhem interupts an interview:
Rude, irritating, in the long run no big deal.
2) Cesar Gracie camp jumps Mayhem and stomps him gajng land style:
Illegal, immature, looks terrible for the sport, may have cost Strikeforce their deal with CBS, may have resulted in a number of suspensions. luckily didn’t result in any serious injuries.
Which one was worse… It doesn’t take a lot to figure it out.
by truck on Apr 19, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I was not clear enough. And girl/rape analogy is terrible, just terrible for this situation.
I completely agree that Gracie camp is the more “guilty” party here, and never claimed otherwise. I just don’t see what Miller did as “nothing wrong, or something he should barely even apologize for”. He was as you said rude, irritating and he was disrespectful – none of which are part of sportmanship. For those alone he should apologize.
by zombie_hobbes on Apr 19, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
And girl/rape analogy is terrible, just terrible for this situation.
The girl / rape situation is terrible, but so can be getting jumped buy a group of 6+ people. If you have lost a friend to similar circumstances you would probably agree.
Everybody (Mayhem, Diaz bros, MMA fans) is very lucky that Mayhem wasn’t hurt. If he wasn’t able to walk away this would have been an even bigger fallout.
Yes
But people are still under the delusion that Miller himself wasn’t being aggressive. That’s where a lot of people’s perspective part ways, and it doesn’t have anything to do with who any of us are a fan of.
Once Gilbert and Jake pushed away Miller (BTW a normal reaction to someone getting in another person’s face inappropriately), Miller gives the body language of “wtf, lets get it on” as if he was up for scrapping the whole Gracie camp.
And if anyone has perspective on the whole damn spectacle, you think all you people would respect Miller’s hindsight.
LOL at the Gracie camp being the “more guilty party”. They’re the only party with guilt. They physically assaulted another guy who didn’t threaten or attack anyone. Moment stealing, high testosterone, and all the other BS aside, what happenned was an assualt, and just because there were MMA fighters involved doesn’t minimize what went on in the least.
True, if we discuss only the bully beatdown beatdown by Diaz bros.
Miller takes some blame for situation as he was the one who actively participated in creating it. I guess I’ll just reiterate, I don’t think Miller should apologize for brawl nor do I hold him responsible for it (as he was not the one who threw the first punch). He is to blame for most of the shit leading up to it. His actions were redundant and plain bad manners/sportmanship. For this he did apologize and props to him.
by zombie_hobbes on Apr 19, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, props for apologizing for stealing Shields’ thunder. It wasn’t great sportsmanship. But that’s an entirely different discussion than the assault that occurred right after.
by Hardcharger on Apr 19, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You might want to let Miller on your objective clarity.
He seems to have a different take… and he seems to actually have participated in said event.
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I’va always liked the Diaz brothers, but the Diaz lack of control was to blame. The Diaz Brothers did a similar thing in 2008 under the Elite xc banner.
They should be suspended from fighting for 1 year.
i find it hilarious that
The diazs. Posted that they were “defending” themselves. Lol. They are making it seem like mayhem attacked them specifically. The other thing I find amusing is by there explanation, one is led to assume that they think Jake shields is incapable of defending himself. I know one thing, if I was Jake shields, I would be mad at the diaz brothers, because Jake should be able to “defend” himself in there. If someone disrespects me, I want to be the person to deal with it, boy my friends. Gangs are cowards. Standing alone makes you respectable, and a true man. The fact that the diazs were bragging about it makes them look like cowards.
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by Submit24 on Apr 19, 2010 8:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, “boy my friends” should say “not my friends” stupid blackberry.
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by Submit24 on Apr 19, 2010 8:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Where/when did diaz say that?
I think I missed reading that.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 19, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
It was on there facebook page yesterday morning. Ill look back and try to find the direct quote.
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by Submit24 on Apr 19, 2010 8:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
" Hate on the brothers, but they defended themselves. Think beyond the show. What was Miller doing there in the first place? He knew what would happen and he got what he wanted. Attention.Yesterday at 12:19pm".
I’m assuming it isn’t Nick and Nate specifically doing the posting, but if they are allowing someone to represent there names, then they should be responsible for what is posted IMO
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by Submit24 on Apr 19, 2010 8:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Coker will blame it all on Mayhem
No way he suspends three of his title holders. Hell, he probably won’t even do any disciplinary action on them.
LOL @ the athletic commission...
doing crap. They won’t do a damn thing.
by William Wilson on Apr 19, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The TN commission is new.
And full of noobs who won’t suspend anyone for anything.
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An apology
without any excuses or finger-pointing.. Am I dreaming?
by JayKim41 on Apr 19, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Another goodf question that needs brought up... What's going to happen to Nate Diaz ??
Dana has full control over him in that regard and if this continues to be brought to the forefront of negative publicity, what might Dana do to Nate for his involvement as a means to send a message ??
Dana kicked War Machine and Junie to the curb for similiar actions outside the ring (away from the UFC). Nate isn’t a low level fighter, but he isn’t in the top either.. He’s middle of the road..
It’ll be interesting to see what Dana does in reaction to Nate’s involvement if this thing continues to be at the forefront and suspensions are handed down.. Not likely that Coker will do anything to DIaz, but that’s where Dana has leverage in making this another one up by saying how he doesn’t condone this type of behavior and that this is not what the sport is about. He’ll mention how he went on national public TV and gave statement to cut the best P4P fighter in the world for far less and how he would suspend or cut any of his fighters if they even tried some bullshit like that.. Then he’ll bring up Nate.. Dropping the hammer on him would prove his theory in a weird sort of way.. He can say that Nate was a UFC fighter shown on national TV beating a guy who he had no business doing anything to..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Until he was shown on CBS mugging a guy that he had no reason to do so..
If people speak loud enough.. Dana will react in a likely manner.. Let’s just see how much this goes on..
The main point I was trying to convey is this now puts SF and Coker in a lose/lose position.. If they suspend their champions or Diaz at least (who deserves as much) they lose out. If they don’t suspend him, they’re being looked at as soft and controlled by their fighters, which again is a lose scenario..
Dana now has the upper hand in this deck of cards. He can sit back and do nothing, because it’s not his business to do anything. Or he can step up because one of his fighters was involved and make an example to be the bigger guy with enough balls to make that call. Coker has to make a decision in some way and blaming Mayhem for the altercation is not a logical choice.
What Mayhem did could be called insulting or classless.. But not justifiable of an in cage mugging.. Nothing will excuse the actions of what took place following a verbal exchange of a man shouting for a rematch.. Sure there is a time and place for everything, but the end result has no time and no place .. period.. Diaz Bros. have a history of altercations in a post fight interview.. Never in the UFC because that ship won’t ever sail.. But all we have to do is look at the KJ Noons fiasco and tally the score cards on this.. This is not an isolated incident with these guys and at some point, someone is going to have to make the hard decisions on what they will condone and won’t condone with..
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Apr 19, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
the UFC
should make an example of Nate Diaz. The guy is caught on video viciously kicking a man being held down. Thats messed up. NATE DIAZ IS A DBAG.
"Live fast, die."
if Dana choose to make a point by suspending Nate Diaz for six months could that put pressure on Scott Coker to have to suspend the other participants involved for a period of time? That could really hurt Strikeforce.
Just BE.
Dana has stated he will take no action towards Nate Diaz..
This statement was posted after my initial comments were made in this thread..
But the point still remains.. It’s a lose/lose situation for SF and Coker..
He has to make a hard decision and stand by it. He either makes the tough choice and deals with handing down the proper suspensions to all involved, or he takes the easy way out and has to deal with the backlash of being branded a push over, second rate, bush league operation..
Again.. It’s a lose/lose in this case…
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Hypocritical rhetoric
Did DW even suspend Rampage for “actual” illegal behavior that resulted in a pregnant woman losing her unborn child?
Coker should publicly reprimand everyone involved and then enact policies that would curb this type of scenario in the future. Everyone needs to take off their righteous indignation robes for a minute, the promotion should learn from their mistakes and move on.
Did DW even suspend Rampage for "actual" illegal behavior that resulted in a pregnant woman losing her unborn child?
The doctor involved said the two events were unrelated and Rampage was never charged in conjunction with her miscarriage. So his “actual” actual illegal behaviour was not what you say it is. Let’s try to keep things in perspective while we all argue pointlessly about the Diaz brothers.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Her fiance, Bill Krebs, said doctors were immediately concerned when they noticed a significant loss of fluid in Griggs’ womb after the accident. Days before the crash, the couple had visited the doctor for an ultrasound, and Griggs was told she "had enough fluid for three babies," Krebs said. She was pregnant with a boy.
But ok, I’ll concede he was never charged with that, although he’s being sued by the lady who lost her baby.
Anyway, did DW even suspend Rampage for being charged with two felonies and pleading guilty ton one?
OK, Mayhem might deserve some blame, but how come nobody ever said anything about Brock, Rashad, or even GSP? I always thought it was part of the game, and I’m sure Miller thought the same too.
I’m not defending him, just wondering why he’s being singled out when so many fighters have done the same or worse before, and their actions were always dismissed as “hyping the fight”.
Brock, Rashad and GSP were brought into the ring by the promoter to hype a future fight; so they stood there until after the winner had finished their interview, then got some time on the mic. Miller was there because he’d cornered Hendo then barged into an interview in progress. Totally different situation.
(I still don’t blame Miller, though. The 95%-5% blame ratio that King Fedor said above sounds about right to me.)
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Apr 19, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the only reason mayhem put out this statement - and so quickly
is because he knows the cesar gracie camp won’t put out an equally apologetic one. very smart move, mayhem.
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Apr 19, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions
Yes, Miller the master of PR strategy.
More probably he got a call from Coker who believed him to be actually in the wrong and encouraged him to put out a statement.
i would have agreed with you,
OH WAIT, NO…
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/19/1431037/cesar-gracie-says-strikeforce
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Apr 19, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
read the part about “because he knows the cesar gracie camp won’t put out an equally apologetic one.”
kthx
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Apr 19, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a fan of Mayhem, usually.
The whole faking Bully Beatdown episodes really ground my gears, and I’ve always figured if he put as much effort into his training as he puts into self-promotion, he’d be hard to beat.
But this is a classy move.
And the fact that it was unnecessary makes it all the classier.
http://www.vancouversun.com/mma
I don’t get why everyone is wasting so much energy trying to assume blame. Everyone involved was wrong, it was just a terrible, stupid situation that would have been avoided if any one person involved would have acted differently.
That said, good for Mayhem for apologizing. This is a very mature move, which is impressive coming from him. The rest will probably come out and do the same, and then we can put this in the past.
by Phildo on Apr 19, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
“I don’t get why everyone is wasting so much energy trying to assume blame. Everyone involved was wrong, it was just a terrible, stupid situation that would have been avoided if any one person involved would have acted differently.”
While everyone has a roll, not ‘everyone was wrong’.
At worst Mayhem’s decision to ask for a rematch was poorly timed. What the Diaz thugs did afterward, and surprisingly Gilbert too (I thought he was different than that), was inexcusable. In a ring, in the streets, it is no different. If someone comes up to your face and says ‘you have sex with children’ you don’t have a right to punch them. Not one right. You may have the motivation, but not the right. Now, I must add, i have been in street fights and bar fights and the like, but I always knew that unless the guy throws the first punch (and sometimes even if he doesn’t) I could go to jail and spend a fortune in court. You just can’t do that. America is a nation of laws. Even in something like professional wrestling, when the violence of getting hit with a chair is a job-requirement, you can’t do that. If Triple H hit Ric Flair with a chair ten times, fine. If he does it after their performance, it is assault.
Mayhem was careless to do that, but under no circumstances should the Diaz goons gang tackled him and kicked him in the head when he was down. They should be blacklisted from fighting in the US. Actually, jail time is called for in this case, I believe.
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