Today on MMA Nation on 106.7 The Fan: Strikeforce Results, WEC 48 and Bellator Talk
by Luke Thomas on Apr 18, 2010 10:05 PM EDT
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Today on "MMA Nation" we'll be breaking down last night's Strikeforce card and taking your calls:
- Will Jake Shields stay with Strikeforce?
- Is there a future for Strikeforce on CBS?
- Whose stock went up the most with their performance?
We'll also be making some announcements about some MMA coming to the DC area.
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My big question for you Luke, is, did you think that Shields would be able to take down, pass guard, and mount Hendo so handily? I got much respect for Shields’ game, but I never thought he could take Hendo down, out-scramble, and cut through his ground defense like he did.
Shields really impressed me. He stayed a lot more active on top than he did with Miller, he wasn’t raining blows like crazy, but I don’t think he was going to TKO Hendo no matter how hard he hit him, so might as well just ride him. I think Shields vs. GSP is a marketable fight, and would be great because GSP will be looking to impress with his kickboxing, something he hasn’t done lately. I think Shields wants to go to the UFC, and will be getting some big money for doing so.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
Big winner-UFC. Big loser Strikeforce.
Dana must have been rolling on the ground laughing after Shields defeated Hendo. Hendo’s loss justified DW’s reluctance to pay him the kind of money that SF ponied up. To add insult to injury, Shields will probably jump ship to the UFC, once again giving the UFC the best fighters.
Aoki was supposed to be the only lightweight who could give BJ any competition (until BJ lost of course). Now that the Aoki mystique is gone, everyone considers the UFC to have most of the best LWs.
Many people considered Moussasi to be the best LHW in the world with King Mo not even in the top 10. Now, everyone considers Moussasi to be over-rated. Once again, no LHWs in Strikeforce are considered to be at the level of the UFC LHWs (except maybe King M0).
The disgusting display by the Gracie camp after the fight may have also jeopardized Strikeforce’s contract with CBC.
Winner-UFC. Loser-Strikeforce.
by DrPepper on Apr 18, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One MAJOR request...
Can someone PLEASE moderate the room?! Cause we had some random trolls that insisted on ruining the chatroom for everybody. It defeats the purpose if someone is copying and pasting Sarah Palin’s GOP speech
Sarah Palin’s GOP speech? Damn, thats rough. I would confess to damn near any crime within two hours of that being played on a loop just to make the pain stop and the bad lady leave.
"I expect him to hit me, and I expect it to hurt. I just don't care." - Chael Sonnen on fighting Anderson Silva
by Earl Montclair on Apr 18, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Amy chance we can hear the audio from the live call ins?
It’s just hard to follow the conversation when we only hear your response to the callers’ questions.
thanks
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by higgledy-piggledy on Apr 18, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
Yea, not being able to hear the call-ins pretty much throws things off big time. Sometimes it’s just an annoyance, but the example that just happened: I sat here for a couple minutes of silence only to hear finally “good observation, thanks” and then on to next caller. Pretty weird.
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Oh snap, cant even listen live on the 106.7 website anymore as it blocks connections from overseas now.
Gets worse and worse.
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Not working for me either. I can click on other stations and here their music and what not, but nothing from 106.7; which is why I tried the USTREAM thing. Just tried it again and just blank.
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I CANT LISTEN!!!!!! SCREW THIS!
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 18, 2010 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
lol, I feel the same way
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listening to your porn habits is making up for it at least
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We know where the fuck we are! East Coast in the motherfuckin house!
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by Earl Montclair on Apr 18, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This is glorious.
I find your lack of shame disturbing. And awesome.
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Speaking of mainstream coverage about last night’s fight; I don’t watch much TV news so can’t tell you that. But I wonder how many people were checking in about that time for their regularly scheduled News and ended up catching the brawl with the announcer telling everyone that’s it’s normal for MMA?
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And it made FARK. (Don’t know how mainstream that is though lol)
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yeah still nothing at: http://player.play.it/player/player.html?v=5.0.18&id=114
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Luke
What are your thoughts on Shamrocks commentating? It’s horrible!
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Made some money off the King Mo fight. I liked what I was hearing in Luke’s interview with him last week.
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Benicio had to one up xDieseLx
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I was convinced Mo would win after the interview. Mo would make a good “fighter-analyst” on a show like MMA Live.
throw him on inside mma
him and bas in the same room might be too much
idk
sometimes i need a translator for King Mo
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because Mo spoke well shouldn’t change your opinion on him as a fighter. If you are knowledgeable enough of fighters and their games you can see the weaknesses and strengths of each fighter regardless of what they say.
I think that is what they were saying…they did not think he was knowledgeable about other fighters and seeing him talk about other fighters’ games gave them a new respect for King Mo.
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i like ben hendersons chances against aoki as well
u cannot submit that man
Where does Mo go in the rankings now that he beat Mousasi? Top 10? or is he better suited to fight at heavyweight where you don’t need as much of a gas tank as you do at 205?
Where’s Bader ranked? Cause I think Mo should be ranked just below him, seeing as how they’re essentially the same with a power edge going to Mo and a striking edge going to Bader.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Apr 18, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, you could rank him in front of Bader too, they’re interchangeable in my book.
"Sometimes hype just ain't enough." - Jens Pulver on his win over BJ Penn
by lowellthehammer on Apr 18, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Bader is at 14 in the latest Bloody Elbow rankings. I wonder who ends up higher this month between Jones/Lawal/Bader.
Lawal will probably benefit from Mousasi being rated higher than Vera or Jardine and catapult higher than Bader or Jones.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 18, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I had Mousassi as the #9 LHW, I have dropped Mousasi out of the top ten and King Mo isn’t in the top ten either right now. I also dropped Hendo off the top LHW ten as well. With two spots opening up I put Rich Franklin in and then the final spot came up and I valued Jon Jones, Ryan Bader, and King Mo and thought that Jon Jones earned the spot and deserved it more than the other two.
“Great call”
grrrrrrrrrrr
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Damn right!!
My rage knows no bounds!!!!!!!
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Jon Jones is a much, much, MUCH bigger prospect. Mo has great power and phenomenal takedowns, but Jones has incredible takedowns as well, rangy striking, he’s younger, and he’s got a ton more upside. Not even close IMO.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 18, 2010 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
and flashy finishes bring the fans
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Think to yourself – over 5 rounds, do you think Jones would have done as little damage with his GNP as Mo did?
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 18, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Jones would have stood with Mousasi and opened the door for Mousasi to work his strengths more than Mo allowed him to. But I think Jones would have looked to finish more than Mo did on the ground.
Just like he stood with Vera right? Jones isn’t stupid, he knows how to play to his strengths.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 18, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Jones would have ended that fight much quicker (even without elbows)
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke,
What do you think the ratings would look like if it was the UFC on CBS instead of Strikeforce?
Huge. Probably bigger than Kimbo on CBS.
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 18, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana has tried to make deals, but I guess they want too much control over the product and the UFC doesn’t want to give up control.
I think it would be awesome to see them on network TV myself. But CBS/Strikeforce has also shown some reasons why letting an experienced MMA company retain control over their product.
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
oh man, not this again
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by lowellthehammer on Apr 18, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder with the amount of opinion blended into the mma media makes Dana think it’s more like lying to editorialists and bloggers instead of real media? I wonder if he would have lied to say ESPN if he were being interviewed by one of their big shows?
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Luke, do you follow other sports, because "using the media" to further business ends and "spreading disinformation" is really really common, especially when trade deadlines approach. Also, I’m a huge fan of yours, so I’m very familiar with your feelings about the average mma fan, feelings that most hardcores and the media pundits share. Don’t you think that Dana is in a delicate position with his fan base and the media covers the sport? I mean if the media thinks that 90% if Dana’s customers are idiots, then isn’t it inevitable that when he communicates with his customers, the media is going to disagree with what he says and how he says it?
Luke doesn’t like “quotes” man, watch out.
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
king mo vs babalu makes sense to me
is there really anything else for him? babalus a bjj ace and is an interesting matchup
He will probably fight at HW next. What else is there for him? I like him better in 3 round fights anyway.
yea, I was thinking the same thing
They could put him against a few guys at HW; even he had mentioned Fedor and M-1 would probably like that easy matchup.
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
King Mo fights Moneyweight next. Go up to HW or drop down to MW (he claims he can) if the winner of Antwain Britt/Rafael Cavalcante is not appealing.
no, i dont’ think he will fight HW long term; I just think he has no one else to fight in LHW there
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor vs. Alistair?
Or King Mo vs. Alistair?
You know, to tell you the truth, it’s hard to tell b/c Strikeforce doesn’t seem to do the best job with promos and neither does CBS or their fighters. King Mo probably talks the most smack for hyping, but what press does even that get half the time outside of straight mma sites?
I don’t think any three of those guys fighting would be a huge draw outside of hardcore fans.
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is no one talking about King Mo’s, and Mousassi’s, complete lack of cardio??? I thought it was embarassing for a title fight to have two competitors with such poor cardio.
Well, I don’t think fighting for Strikeforce period is a long term career path
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King Mo needs to move to UFC, so does Shields (and Mousasi too)
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
some of our opinions anyways
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ill take whatever I can get. The interacting between this site and the radio show makes the show much more entertaining to listen to, in my opinion. Maybe that is only because when our opinions come up there isn’t a phone call, but that should get fixed soon.
nah, it’s all cool and I like the increased interaction
I just meant Luke hates me
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by JeremyShane on Apr 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't hate you at all
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by Luke Thomas on Apr 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t try to cover up now Luke! It’s ok. You’re hate feeds me… I only grow stronger….
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These guys are crazy. You should go to the UFC when your at your peak. Mousassi after beating Babula and Sokodjou could have got some serious cash . The interest for him was at a peak and he could have worked out a good deal and made some serious money.
Shields would be a fool not to go to the UFC right now. His interest is at an all time high and he can negotiate himself into some real money. What is he making at Strikeforce right now?
I think Shields can easily get a 75 to show 75 to win deal. Seeing as he would be dealing with stiff competition I think he would be better off signing for 100 k flat rate considering who he is going to be fighting .
King Mo looked good but not that good. He should wait a little longer until his hands and cardio catch up a little bit. Then he should go there as well.
I agree about going to UFC when you are peaking and Shields and Mo should definitely make an attempt. I think that sure Mousasi would have done better contract wise going before this fight; but I think the UFC would still take him even now.
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