Post-Event Thoughts - Strikeforce: Nashville - 'Mayhem' Miller Criminally Assaulted by Members of Cesar Gracie Camp
by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 3:12 AM EDT
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First of all allow me to rant. I'm embarrassed for the sport of mixed martial arts. I don't fault Strikeforce for the brawl and honestly I think it's unfair to fault Miller. Miller went in to the cage and did some "thunder stealing" yes. But when the repercussion for that became gang assualt I am not sure. Did we see Matt Hughes' boys jump Georges St. Pierre for stating that he was "not impressed by his performance?"
I entirely hope that we see the Cesar Gracie camp members involved in the attack charged with assault and forced to own up to their behavior in court. I also would like to see both Diaz brothers, Gilbert Melendez and anyone else involved with the assault suffer a massive suspension. Anything under one year would be too little in my eyes.
When you watch the video there are multiple men attacking one man for asking "when do I get my rematch." That's it, not any physical act provoking it, simply words. Then we see members of the camp stomping on a man who is engaged and held down by other fighters. This is no different from any sort of gang assault you would see on the streets, and the fact that talented fighters were involved should not lessen the actions taken against these men.
Moving on...
- King Mo did a very nice job of using wrestling to control Gegard Mousasi for the majority of five rounds. It was a very strange fight where Mo didn't look interested in improving position and wasn't really all that effective striking from the top, but at the same time Mousasi looked entirely uninterested in doing anything to stop the takedowns or work from his back with anything other than mildly effective punches. It certainly did not feel like I was watching a high level championship fight even though I have much respect for both men.
- Shinya Aoki is so one dimensional that it makes it hard to consider him a legitimate top ten fighter. He's earned the ranking based on results but I have trouble pinpointing fighters in the top ten that I think he could reliably beat. As soon as he was clearly going to be unable to shoot in or hold Gilbert Melendez if he pulled guard the fight was over. It was just a matter of waiting the five rounds for the scores to be announced.
- As good of a win as it was for Melendez, I will state publicly that I hope he doesn't get to fight again for quite some time for the reasons I covered above. Edit:
- Dan Henderson looked like a stiff, tired, old man against Jake Shields. He landed his big right, and it was pretty as Shields tumbled to the mat. But from the second round onward it just looked like it was going to be a KO punch from the right hand or nothing. Shields' wrestling is better than I gave it credit for being given his ability to take down Henderson with repeated success. But the real shock was how easily he was able to melt through Henderson's guard in every round. The only thing missing was a finish, but this was the most impressive championship performance by any fighter in quite some time.
- Say goodbye to the CBS days, Strikeforce. We should still be seeing more shows on Showtime, but the combination of (what should be) poor ratings and a brawl as people are turning on their local news should result in the end of the network TV days for the promotion. That is, unless they can find a way to put together some sort of mega card.
[UPDATE] - photo via nathandiaz.com
"Coker was not in the arena to see the brawl, having made his way to the backstage area to prepare for the post-fight press conference. He said he would take time to review the tape and reserved the right to discipline any Strikeforce fighters involved."
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You try not punching Mayhem Miller when he’s in your face being, um, himself.
by MMAEruption on Apr 18, 2010 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
this is a dumb comment
people confront people in the cage in the ufc all the time, the difference is the ufc won’t let a “posse” of thugs in the ring, and there isn’t a freaking brawl after them, strikeforce blew this one
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
1. According to Coker nobody knew Mayhem was going into the cage, the UFC actually sets up those face-offs
2. It’s not a posse it was Shields cornermen which were Gilbert and the Diaz brothers
again who wouldnt say that now?
I count 7 guys just in the picture below that were attacking Mayhem i doubt they were all cornermen, i know for a fact gilbert wasn’t a cornerman
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
i saw gilbert in ther corner
between rounds telling Shields that Hendo was shot, and that he could bait him in during the standup or something like that.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
blueballlefty
“i know for a fact that gilbert wasn’t a cornerman”
you don’t know much then, b/c gilbert was in fact in jake’s corner the whole fight.
did you not watch the fight?
cornermen are registered with the state AC
gilbert simply came down to help his buddy after he got done changing after his fight. and then followed into the ring, this is usually fine, but these people usually don’t commit crimes in said ring
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup. Plus I don't think he was involved in anything after the pushing.
From the overhead view, I think he is standing next to Jake well away from the mess.
Yeah...
I’m trying to get a grip on that. I may be wrong on Gilbert’s level of involvement after the initial shove.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Gilbert definitely moves back after the initial scuffle (around 0:20) and then you can see him standing back holding his belt the whole time on the left hand side of the overhead shot. What a surprise, this is mostly Diaz’s fault.
by HarmlessNinja on Apr 18, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah gilbert simply instigated
and then ran to the other side of the cage, does this make him more innocent?
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Gil pushing Shilds wouldn't have been a big deal by itself.
Diaz jumping in with punches and knees was really bad…
and soccer kicks to the face of a dude
being held down
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
a G-Unit?
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
yeah gilbert simply instigated
Huh? Wha? You got the class clown bumping the champion in the chest and acting aggressive/assaulting towards his whole camp and Gilbert was “simply instigating” y’all are ridiculous.
he made no aggressive physical contact dude
he was simply trying to get attention to set a rematch for the belt, I don’t think any intelligent person could honestly say Mayhem did as much or more to instigate this than Gilbert, before gilbert got involved it was simply smack talk
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
What? There’s a couple of different cuts of the scuffle. Shields pushed Miller away and Miller responded aggressively, his camp responded the way any responsible martial art camp would respond if someone was threatening one of their team. Like people have said, this wasn’t scripted, this was Miller just being a jackass and being taken to task.
by bleve_ on Apr 18, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on. This wasn’t someone rolling up on them. It was a pillow fisted clown talking shit for the camera. The only thing they were protecting was their wannabe thug life.
Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.
by jebushchrist on Apr 18, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
ok so you didn't see it
Gilbert is the one that pushes miller first as diaz is throwing a bottle at him and miller gives gilbert a push as to say get off me and Shields throws two punches that look like they missed, I’ve watched it probably 10 times now
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
you're watching the wrong cut man
and its funny that you think you’re so right. Second video…
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/18/1428650/dan-henderson-team-mate-jason
What part of that, in ANY WAY, supports your nonsense????
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
dude the drunk
guys are starting to get home from the arena and they all think they know exactly what happened there is no talking to them
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
that from a legal standpoint, Miller was the aggressor. If I put four punctuation marks, does it make my comment more firm????
LOL! Really? From a “legal standpoint”? You have lost the plot, kid. Miller did nothing aggressive until he was already pushed by Gil.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He shouldered Shields from behind, that would stand up in court. Shields pushed him away as Gilbert was pushing him away and he did his wild monkey thing. Do you not know the technical version of assault?
well i think we can
obviously conclude that you are not a lawyer by this statement
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
No...
that’s rome. But I can tell you that no, you can not gang jump a guy for talking
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
No it wouldn’t stand up in court. There was nothing aggressive about it. Jake was smiling about it until Gil got antsy, which lends to the evidence it wasn’t seen as aggressive by anyone. Jake acknowledged Mayhem was there, they just bumped shoulders when Miller went to the mic. NO COURT would EVER let that stand. It would be thrown out in no time if it even got that far as the attorneys I work/worked for wouldn’t even tough something like that.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re really saying because someone is smiling while they’re being assaulted or threatened that it isn’t really an assault.
Dude, I question your legal knowledge.
He was smiling because it wasn’t assault. Smiling is a pretty clear indicator that you’re not feeling assaulted.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely false, kids get assaulted in school all the time while smiling.
This isn’t that case but Jake is taken by surprise, someone can be smiling while trying to assess the situation.
Smiling isn’t a pretty clear indicator of anything and if you do indeed work for a legal firm, they’d be palmfacing right now.
Smiling alone? Of course not. If you could watch and assess a situation rationally you could see the smile was indicative of Jake not feeling threatened.
Why wasn’t Jake threatened? Because Mayhem didn’t do a single aggressive thing.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He pushed him AFTER Gil got involved and crazy… remember how I kept bringing that up?
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
gil pushed him
diaz threw a bottle at him
THEN shields threw two punches at him
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Who initiated physical contact
Miller.
We all have our opinions, but that’s a fact and would stand up in court.
That he initiated contact? Yes, it would. It would also be meaningless since it wasn’t aggressive.
Meanwhile, we have an on video beatdown that would also hold up in court.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions
“it wasn’t aggressive”… your perspective, not the person receiving the contact. Dude, this is basic logic.
hahaha
I’ve shown evidence why the person receiving the contact didn’t think it was aggressive. Your man crush on the Diaz bros defies all logic.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
your evidence is that shields was smiling. Dude, that’s not evidence and its kind of embarrassing that you think that’s legal evidence of anything.
You are in no way affiliated with a legal profession… I hope. Please save this and we’ll ask Brent, he’s studying law.
FFS… the situation is all the evidence you need and all the evidence we have. Jakes entire demeanor about the situation until Gil freaked out is how you can tell he didn’t find Mayhem to be aggressive. Yes, the smile is a part of that.
If you can’t comprehend how to look at people and tell if they are threatened, or any other manor of emotional, I’m not sure how you function offline.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
How I interpret and comprehend things is different from the law, once again, you are seriously lacking with the legal logic pal.
How I interpret and comprehend things is different from the law
That’s what I have been telling you
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, you watch too much Court Room drama
You need to be able to prove criminal intent of the initial “shove” by Miller. Bumping into someone while walking into the mic doesn’t show intent. It shows an accident. If everytime I’m in line to get coffee and some guy bumps me by accident to get a pack of sugar, is that assualt or an accident? Contact means nothing, son…. It’s not what you know..it’s what you can prove in court. And in the video and pictures, it’s irrefutable that Gil assaulted Miller, but MALICIOUS making contact with Miller, and you see both Shields and Gil both arms cocked with the INTENT to cause bodily harm, and well, you know you the Diaz brothers…. Also, you can throw the self defense argument. The victim was already down and the aggressors should’ve have stopped, but didn’t…. that my friend is assault 101
it’s irrefutable that Gil assaulted Miller, but MALICIOUS making contact with Miller,
No, its perspective. Gil grabbed his arm and Miller shoved him also at the same time.
Miller shoved in self defense after being grabbed from Gil
there was no provacation from Miller to Gil….so dude, epic FAIL
Miller shoved in self defense after being grabbed from Gil
Oh yeah, I forgot he touched him “MALICIOUSLY”… keep reaching. Let me know when all the Diaz bros and Gilbert go to jail.
by bleve_ on Apr 18, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you wouldnt smile if you "hoped nothing happened".
If you “WISH-A-MUTHA-FUCKA-WOULD touch me” then you smile. Clearly everyone at Cesar Gracie’s “WISHES-A-MUTHA-FUCKA-WOULD”.
Mayhem should have known better….. but he is nuts. They shouldn’t have jumped him but nick and company are dicks. The end
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Apr 18, 2010 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Now I’m beginning to think you’re drunk, I’ve said nothing off base, just responding.
by bleve_ on Apr 18, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just to be cleared: official rules from the Tennessee AC
0145-03-.20 MANAGERS AND SECONDS.
(1) All combatants shall be allowed a maximum of three (3) managers and seconds at ringside
while the bout is in progress.
(2) Five (5) managers and seconds shall be allowed for title bouts of national level or higher.
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You should quit while your ahead
You have no idea what your talking about, nor do you really know what happened.
It means you have no idea what you’re talking about.
by Applejack McNeil on Apr 18, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No the UFC sets up face to face’s to push booked fights they don’t allow guys to run into the cage and try to steal the mike from guys doing interviews, it’s a completely different situation. This wasn’t set up or pre-planned it was just a guy being a dick and a bunch of thugs being thugs.
the fights aren't booked until somebody wins said fight
you don’t think Brock or rampage were trying to steal the spotlight and the reason they dont try to steal the mike is because Dana or Joe Rogan are holding them and not goof ass gus johnson
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
They set it up, the guy who wins knows the other guy is coming in to the cage to do a face to face interview after the fight, the entire thing is pre-planned, hell most of the time it is done to publicly announce the next fight. Brock and Rampage were sitting at ringside the entire time specifically to go in the cage with Dana White and have a face to face interview with the winner of the fight, hell for the last one with Brock it was announced during the show he would be going to the cage. This was Mayhem Miller wandering in and shoving Jake out of the way and trying to take the mike from a startled Gus Johnson not a planned face to face interview that everyone knew was going to happen before the show even started. It’s not at all the same thing.
good gosh /facepalm
1. mayhem never tried to steal the mike
2. he never pushed Jake he simply got close enough to talk into the mike
3. Gus Johnson was startled when he saw his shadow this morning
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Watch the footage he pushed Shields out of the way and tried to grab the mike when he asked for a rematch, he had no business out there, it wasn’t his interview and he was just being a dick.
dude I just watched for the 10th time
he didn’t push anybody and his hands never came above his waist until he was assaulted! z
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You are right he doesn’t try to grab it he just leans into it as Gus wonder’s what is going on but he does shoulder Shields out of the way to get to the mike.
but it wasn't an aggressive shoulder like F U
or GTFO of my way, he was just getting close to the mic
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
He shouldn’t of been there to start with, he interrupted the interview which while shouldn’t be surprising from a guy nicknamed Mayhem was a dick move. He should of never been hit by anyone but that doesn’t mean that he is blameless here because he had no business being in the cage to start with. This wasn’t a set up face to face interview it was just Mayhem jumping in to insert himself into someone elses interview and cause problems. Just because the guys who attacked him were base thugs who should be punished doesn’t mean he was some kind of blameless angel here. You can’t give him a pass because he had no business in the cage to start with.
Kinda like dragging your balls through broken glass…you’re gonna get cut, so why the hell are you doing it? Just to be a jackass? Yeah, pretty much.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree in SF there is a better place for it
but the simple fact is: if the gracie posse hadn’t committed assault then half the people here would be talking about how funny mayhem is and the other half would be saying mayhem is a dick and nobody would be talking about this being bad for the sport
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
If the brawl didn’t happen, none of us would be talking about Strikforce
How is it hating?
Don’t you have some crime show you need to watch and spew out lines you memorized to sound somewhat intelligent?
Ill say this again, Mayhem is no dummy
He well knew what he was doing and he got nailed for it. And your just piping up emotional, the truth will come out. Wait a few days and see.
ok there for a sec i thought you were here
to actually conversate but clearly you are drunk and/or high and i will ignore you now
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
what was really embarrasing is Johnson saying "sometimes these things happen in mma"
No Gus they dont. This has happened twice and it was ugly both times. This isnt “normal” for mma and most fans consider it a black eye on the sport.
by bigdmmafan on Apr 18, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Straight up gangsta yaknowimsayn homes?
Keep Firing, Assholes!
The world on a string doesn't mean a thing.
It's only real in the way that I feel from day to day.
I’ve watched this a ton of times on Tivo and your right Brent. Melendez, Shields, the Diazs, and that big white ofie dude were all jumping Miller.
They were. Melendez is holding his belt the whole time. He backs away around 0:20 and is seen on the left side of the overhead shot still holding it.
by HarmlessNinja on Apr 18, 2010 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions
God damn your man HOV’ cracked the can open again
just 'cause you pour syrup on shit, don't make it pancakes
by imnotjohnlong on Apr 18, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
YES!
that’s the 1st thing that came to my mind
rec for that
Do you mind if we dance with your dates?
In Morey We Trust.
Shields gave a little shove
But I didn’t see him throw a punch
"My fighting career is getting in the way of my Marijuana smoking" - Nick Diaz
"May 8th, whoop a fraggle" - Paul Daley
No, Melendez started it.
The Gracie camp kept it going. Shields played the smallest part in this brawl.
"My fighting career is getting in the way of my Marijuana smoking" - Nick Diaz
"May 8th, whoop a fraggle" - Paul Daley
I am pretty sure Melendez was next to shields in the overhead.
Nick Diaz was delivering knees from the clinch
Miller ran on the canvas, interrupted, bumped the champs chest, then acted like he wanted to throw down with everyone… WTF is all the feigned outrage?
Yes it was a complete black eye and shitty for the event but Miller deserves a suspension every bit as much as the diaz “thugs.”
you were either
drunk while watching or never even really saw the interaction by this comment
Miller ran on the canvas, interrupted, bumped the champs chest, then acted like he wanted to throw down with everyone…
he never ran, he never bumped chest he was leaning into the freaking mic, and what would you do if 7 dudes were surrounding you ready to attack, he was getting ready to defend himself
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Shit if 7 dudes were surrounding me ready to attack then I probably wouldn’t of climbed into the cage between them all to start with. Heck it’s getting to the point where it’s surprising when the Diaz brother’s don’t get into a scuffle why would you even put yourself in that position?
and I would say to that
why does SF keep putting themselves in the position of the Diaz’s in the cage at all when they are not fighting, to that fact why would the Tenn AC let them in the cage? The problem here is pretty clear, but this kind of shit happens in boxing all the time, the difference is boxing promoters are smart enough to fill the ring with security so it doesn’t get this out of hand
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed but then they should have security keeping an eye one Mayhem too, I mean he got that nickname for a reason. Your trying to blame one side of the other but really there is plenty of blame to go around for everyone including Coker for not even being out there for the end of his own damn event.
i'm not taking sides
i’m just saying one side (mayhem) was there to create some hype the other side (gracie posse) was there to 7 on 1 flat out attack a man, you honestly don’t see a difference here?
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
this kind of shit happens in boxing all the time
No.
There are instances of frustration in boxing with other parties getting into the ring (see Mayweather v. Judah) but I haven’t seen something comparable to a straight up brawl involving several other parties throwing punches and kicks….ever.
Tyson v. Holyfield II saw Tyson throwing punches at random people, but that was one man activity. This was a chaotic brawl.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
Just look up boxing riots or boxing brawls on youtube, there are tons of them, including at press conferences and weigh ins.
in boxing you see corner get into arguments all the time
but like i said the promoters are smart enough to fill the ring with security so it doesn’t get out of hand like this one did, i dont know if you read my whole post
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
your right in that confrontations happen all the time in the ring, following fights, in boxing. That’s true. They don’t escalate “all the time” to what we say tonight…or ever that I can honestly remember.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
that was my point
it doesn’t escalate in boxing BECAUSE of security, thats why i place most blame on SF and the Tenn AC for one allowing those whackjob diaz’s in the ring and not having security to stop this kind of stuff sooner
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
but you’re correct in that the reason it doesn’t happen in boxing is security. It’s not a lack of wing-nuts, it’s precautionary measures in place that prevent this.
As has been said ad naseum, it’s amazing to me that this was the venue where there was a lack of security – nat tv, dicey future propositions, etc.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
You brilliantly caught the figurative running reference. I’ve watched that over and over, Miller’s an idiot and completely in the wrong. This wasn’t scripted, it was someone acting like an aggressive idiot in the company of people that wouldn’t allow that to happen.
SF can be faulted for not having adequate security, but Miller is the instigator in this.
Shields acaully got off two punches before being pulled away.
by darkside3744 on Apr 18, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
he actually threw the first
two punches, i dont think they connected though
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
This was embarrassing
I thought I was watching the WWF or something. Strikeforce is something that I keep giving more and more chances, saying, “it’ll change” but it just keeps breaking my little heart :(
by rampage.yo on Apr 18, 2010 1:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Did we see Matt Hughes’ boys jump Georges St. Pierre for stating that he was “not impressed by his performance?”
Well being as that was a set up by the UFC for a face to face to promote a future fight as opposed to GSP just running into the middle of Hughes interview and butting in then obviously the two have nothing to do with each other. Mayhem had no reason to be there and apparently even Coker is mad that he was. He shouldn’t of been jumped like that but then he had absolutely no business being in there at all to start with.
by who me on Apr 18, 2010 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
MMA took 10 steps back because a few idiots with large egos
Tried some fancy crap.
If this entire card sucked without the brawl I’d say Strikeforce is done on CBS. Now because of the brawl they won’t exist at year’s end.
That was sickening to watch.
The Seahawks have traded my signature to the Detroit Lions for a 6th round draft pick.
by SSreporters on Apr 18, 2010 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It was unfortunate
It wasn’t “Black Saturday”.
People will forget about in a week. I said earlier, there’s no such thing as bad press. Of course that’s not entirely true but an incident like this isn’t going to hurt the target demographic and advertising potential.
there’s no such thing as bad press.
- one of the biggest lies in the modern world
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This is embarassing for the sport.
It certainly did not feel like I was watching a high level championship fight even though I have much respect for both men.
I felt the same way watching it. It just looked like neither Mo or Mousasi came really prepared to fight a championship-caliber fight.
Shinya Aoki is so one dimensional that it makes it hard to consider him a legitimate top ten fighter.
One dimensional is right. I was disappointed in how he was just unable to do anything to be in the fight once it became clear that Melendez wouldn’t be taken down or muscled into guard.
Shields’ wrestling is better than I gave it credit for being given his ability to take down Henderson with repeated success.
I really thought a wrestler of Henderson’s caliber could have done more to defend the takedown. I would almost say this isn’t the first time he’s abandoned the ground game to swing, but after the first round he wasn’t really throwing that much.
That is, unless they can find a way to put together some sort of mega card.
THIS was supposed to be a mega card. 3 championships on the line, a former UFC fighter making his SF debut, and some internet consensus top ten fighters facing off. But actual performance means a lot.
This wasn’t a mega card. it was a three title fight card because they didn’t have any of their bigger draws to fall back on. Arlovski is a better draw than any of the guys on tonight’s card.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have to agree.
I don’t see AA vs. Antonio Silva being a huge draw compared to how tonight’s SF card may have looked on paper.
You’d be surprised at how well liked Arlovski is out there. It’d be neck and neck between he and Hendo.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Arlovski more than most, but everybody knows he has lost a couple..
That takes a lot of speed off the hype train.
for the life of me, I don’t know why Scott Coker didn’t try to get the Overreem-Brett Rogers fight on this card. That fight will be exciting, and will doubtfully make it past 3 rounds. Also has a belt in hand. This may be one of those times where Scott Coker was too smart for his own good, Overeem-Rogers would have helped the card and ratings in the eyes of the mainstreatm audience
I hate the fact that everyone is now saying that Dan looked old and not giving Jake enough credit. Honestly Jake should have a list of people he should say F U to for thinking he never had a shot. Personally I bought into the hype and believe Dan would kill him but after the third round I kept thinking about when Dan fought Rich and he was gassing out then as well. I think this made Jake look amazing and I hope people talk about how good he is and not how bad Dan was.
Shields’ wrestling is better than I gave it credit for being given his ability to take down Henderson with repeated success. But the real shock was how easily he was able to melt through Henderson’s guard in every round. The only thing missing was a finish, but this was the most impressive championship performance by any fighter in quite some time.
I thought I gave him plenty of credit. I still think that Henderson looked bad. Like not just in getting taken down. His movement when they were at distance looked bad.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Dan’s been taken down at various times in his career, by Ninja Rua and Arona. For a guy with his wrestling credentials, takedown defense has always been a weakness for him, even when he was younger. He’s just been able to make up for it with his power and his clinch work.
Yeah, but like Rua seemed to catch him off guard and Arona’s wrestling is really damn good. I never thought that Shields’ wrestling was THIS good.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's accurate though.
He didn’t look like the same guy who fought Big Nog or even Palhares. Shields impressed me with what he did though I still remain skeptical about how he’d perform against UFC welterweights.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 18, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
but this is the same guy that after ufc 112 everyone was saying that Dana should never have let Dan go so that he could have fought Silva. Before this fight everyone thought that Dan was gonna kill Jake and he didn’t deserve to be in the same cage with Dan. And now that Jake wins everyone just chaulks it up to Dan being old and no its not that big of a surprise that Jake pulled it off….I wasn’t a big Jake Sheilds fan but I think after the crap everyone gave him he deserves more than just hey good job.
I somewhat agree with you.
In some way it’s unfortunate for Shields, but Hendo just didn’t look good to me. I think he would be blasted out quickly by Silva now, and I certainly didn’t think that before tonight.
Maybe, it was Shields though I don’t think it was all Shields’ prowess on the ground. All I can say is that I’d like to see Shields against more top competition (i.e. top 10 welterweights). Unfortunately, when you’re a big fish in a small pond, it’s tough to garner the respect that those flourishing in the big pond receive.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 18, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Jake definitely earned some more respect from me. I couldn’t believe the shots he took and survived. He showed a lot of heart, but he still came out and ate a bunch of big punches. His defense on his feet is still in serious need of improvement. But I didn’t expect him to own Dan so thoroughly on the ground either, so there was a lot to be impressed by in Shields performance.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 18, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe...
but it’s hard to say, because Bisping posed no threat on the ground and no threat to knock him out. I think that if tonight’s fight had to stay standing, the same thing would have happened to Shields that happened to Bisping. Standup is Shields’ Achilles heal.
by Cannon Jacques on Apr 18, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i though dan had better footwork in the bisping fight. he looked really plodding tonight.
not taking anything away from shields, he dominated a fighter a full weight class above him, but hendo did appear to “grow old overnight”. maybe it was a combo of the layoff, bad back and age. still major props to shields. hope he gets his big payday and fights gsp.
Extra post-event thought
- The TV production is piss-poor. This train wreck announcing team reminds me of the disaster that was Michaels/Fouts/Miller on MNF. Just horrific.
The Seahawks have traded my signature to the Detroit Lions for a 6th round draft pick.
I think the announcing team
puts MMA back further than this brawl did
ESPN has a better crew doing bowling on Sunday, HOW THE HELL HAS gus johnson KEPT HIS JOB
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no such thing as a good MMA announcing crew. The only reason that ppl excuse Rogan and Goldberg is bc they’re used to them, but put them up against announcing crews in any other sport and they’re trash. It’s not only SF that has a problem with this.
I think ou would be hard pressed to make an argument that Rogan is trash.
by castleeb on Apr 18, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Writer is taking it a little far. Mayham is prob fine. Just slightly embarrassing. And f…ing Gilbert started it when he pushed mayham.
Gilbert just grabbed Mayhem to try and get him away from Shields — Shields was the one that shoved Miller.
'Ello G'vnor!
And Nick Diaz threw some knees
and Nick Diaz threw kicks and punches…
other people were involved too.
It looked like Jake and Melendez weren’t guilty of anything more than pushing though.
I am not trying to be funny but
Strikeforce can’t afford any suspensions. It was 3 of their current champions. Talk about killing your product and they are the best fighters on the roster. I agree the act was shameful but if they get suspended for a year, Strikeforce dies.
Them’s the breaks. I don’t want to see SF die…but you can’t NOT take action because it’d be bad for a promotion.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree but
the ramifications kill the number 2 MMA promoter in the US.
Yes they can... sort of.
They can appear to take punitive action that actually means nothing. They can suspend Melendez (claiming he was the instigator) and Nick Diaz. Both have had recent fights and SF can hand out some fairly short suspensions that will expire before their next fights come up. Like the UFC and Palhares after the submission fiasco. SF has cards much more infrequently than the UFC, they can pull it off.
They can’t do a year, that I agree with. But that seems like a really long time. Who has had a year’s suspension in the past? My MMA history isn’t great.
Embarrassing
The brawl will be the talk and not the fights. And it will give some uppity old guys more reasons to say MMA is more of a spectacle then a sport.
by Jeremy Mauss on Apr 18, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Because it's the only interesting thing that happened on the card.
Everything was disappointing. 3 decisions, 3 boring fights, 3 underperforming talents.
1 brawl changed the face of the event.
All officials Ive spoken to say they don’t know how Mayhem got in the cage.
Ariel Helwani on twitter
http://twitter.com/ARIELHELWANI
That is pretty damning in and of itself.
It’s not like this is the first time the Diaz boys have started a post-fight brawl in the cage. Not watching the comings and goings of who is in the cage when they are in there is just bad business.
Here's footage of the replay.
The camera angle stays in the thick of it, so you can see who pushed whom.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 18, 2010 1:25 AM EDT reply actions
oreally??
you dont find fault in Miller. i stopped reading there. i find it amusing the articles on BE hold so much bias one way or the other. wow get a handle on it fellas.
by RevoReal on Apr 18, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So explain. How did Miller asking “where’s my rematch?” earn him a beating at the hands of a group?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
It didn’t earn him a beating but he had absolutely no business sticking his nose into that interview, he wandered into the cage to cause trouble, lets not act like he is blameless here because him being there like that was a dick move on his part to start with.
by who me on Apr 18, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give me an effing break
We can debate whether “sticking his nose into that interview” was appropriate behaviour separately from the thuggish actions of the cowards in Shields entourage.
Seeing Mayhem bob into the cage with an impish grin was probably the most exciting thing that happened on the card bar Dan Henderson almost knocking Shields into next week. The reaction to Mayhem’s presence was disgusting. Some fucking champions Strikeforce have.
Get rid of the ramp!
It is a separate issue and it was a dick move. Not sure why people feel the need to take sides here everyone involved was in the wrong from start to finish. Seeing Mayhem bob into the cage to cause trouble was the reason there was a problem on the CBS broadcast to start with, it starts with him and finishes with the Diaz brothers being thugs, no one is free of guilt or deserves a pass on this one.
by who me on Apr 18, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
miller was playing a part for his job
the gracie posse broke laws
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
So his job was to go out and be a dick and interrupt a CBS broadcast? Shit look at what was said at the Strikeforce press conference:
The general consensus seemed to be that Miller was at fault for barging in on Shields’ moment and invited the trouble, though he did not appear to be the one to throw the first punch.Miller is going to end up getting in trouble for pulling this, it wasn’t part of his job but it might cost him one.
The need for Nick Diaz to do some jail time is a discussion that happens on a damn near monthly basis. If he hasn’t by now then I doubt he will over this (although it also could cost him his job).
by who me on Apr 18, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
so all the suits that were in the back initial reaction was to blame miller over three of their champions? they probably still haven’t seen what went on
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Just Coker hasn’t reviewed the footage yet, hell even Mauro who was at ring side blamed Miller during the show. They didn’t send him out there to do that and they aren’t happy that he did it.
Mauro is an idiot
He was riding Shields jock ALL NIGHT…..
Give me another effing break
A non-hostile “Hey buddy, where’s my rematch?” is not “starting trouble”. I found it amusing, since I’m a fan of Miller and his general prankish behaviour. If Shields had said what he said in a post-fight interview (“Hey, I just beat Dan Henderson – who did you beat?”) that would have been the end of it. There was absolutely nothing in there that could conceivably be described as inflammatory unless you are a) someone who really, really hates Jason Miller or b) not very bright.
Get rid of the ramp!
the difference is
no one here is defending Diaz(s) actions here
but you guys are clearly defending a more than guilty Mayhem Miller.
its pretty clear who the devout Mayhem monkeys are among the commentors.
by RevoReal on Apr 18, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree mayhem is guilty of talking shit
ok what is the crime there
and how is that any different than most other mma events
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
hes guilty of more than that and you know itst
stop trying so hard
by RevoReal on Apr 18, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait
What else did he do? He came in and clowned around on the mic… that’s it.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
ok show me where i said criminal and play stupid
quilty in that, had he not been there where he wasn’t supposed to be in the first fucking place you can bet this would have never happened.
Huh?
You said he was guilty of “more than that”… can you please explain what else he is guilty of?
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
All I want to add to this discussion
Some people around here seemd to have lost their minds. I don’t know if this is trolling season, or if people are amped up on alcohol and violence but certain people have decided to stop being reasonable or coherent.
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by Fake Emcee on Apr 18, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup
so pretty much the opinion of the only guy that really matters on this echoes everything i was saying last night. Scott Coker talks about the fights and the incident and talks about possibility of reprimanding Mayhem.
Seriously
Glad to hear rational validation for those of us not renting our garments over the Diaz bros. Mayham’s an idiot and deserves disciplinary action.
yes of couse the guy who got jumped diserves to get in shit while the guys who did it walk. love your logic dude. Diaz bros fan or not they diserve to get the shit end of the stick on this one.
Not just my logic
sounds like Coker’s too. We’ll wait to see what happens.
IMO Miller instigated the whole affair. People hate the Diaz bros and this brought out the feigned outrage. Coker immediately said, “what did he think was going to happen?”
Cry me a river for Miller, the guy’s needed to be bitchslapped for his idiotic antics for some time.
care to expand
with evidence, or are you going to stick with simplepcych and say it will come out in a couple of days
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
so again a person involved
in a fight has a much clearer view of how it actually went than somebody with clear hd video of it from different angles? if thats so then i guess we should let the fighters score their own fight
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, because not only was he there to see what happened firsthand, he also has the benefit of all the angles you do. there may also be guys from the gym that had video going cageside. do you not get that more info is better than less?
do you not get that
firsthand witness is not nearly as reliable as freaking hd video of the whole action not to mention what happened before and after?
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
do you think he cant also watch your precious angles? or do you have special private cbs feeds that no one else can access? you’re not the only one with an internet connection. He was there….he knows the people involved. he can actually provide some insight that none of us can provide from our couches. i know you have your mind well made up about this, but I’d like to find out more if there is more to be told
hahaha
ok listen to his BS bias insight, and he never mentioned watching what happened his evidence was simply that he was there
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Well being as your a fan of Miller and his behavior then yea obviously you are going to not see a problem just as someone who is a fan of the Diaz thugs would not see a problem with what they did. I’m not a fan of any of the people involved myself and I saw all sorts of people making asses out of themselves including Miller.
by who me on Apr 18, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
certainly doesn't justify it
however Miller should not have been in the ring ‘Punking’ a guy who just fought his heart out in Champion no less Jake Sheilds and hinted towards pulling this crap earlier in an interview with Lauretta Hunt, specifically at the end of the interview his comments about taking on Dan and Jake at the same time. heres the inter view
http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Miller-Breaks-Down-Win-Says-Hell-Take-Lawler-2387
bottom line is Miller is a meat head for pulling this stunt and lost my respect a little.
by RevoReal on Apr 18, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This happens all the time in the UFC
its part of promoting future fights, geez Miller did nothing wrong the blame solely falls on the gracie camp and Strikeforce
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No it doesn’t the UFC sets up face to face interviews where everyone knows what is going on and it’s all pre-planned ahead of time. Obviously Shields or Gus Johnson had no clue at all Mayhem was going to shove in and try and steal the microphone. This wasn’t pre-planned it was a complete mess.
gus johnson still doesn't know WTF was
going on, the dude can’t spell MMA
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes but he is a professional sports announcer with years of experience, if you were going to plan a face to face then you would tell him before hand. This was nothing at all even remotely like the face to face interviews the UFC does, this was a guy wandering in and trying to steal the mike.
well thats not surprising
considering the whole production was about 10000 levels below the UFC’s
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I wanted to say stupid or a dumbass or completely fucking moronic but decided to be a bit nicer about it.
I guess I’ll stop biting my tongue from now on. =)
by Applejack McNeil on Apr 18, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I share in your disgust, Brent.
Outside of wanting charges to be pressed, I agree wholeheartedly with your take on the post-main event mess.
I specializes in grammar fail.
Shields looked great!
Mousasi and Aoki looked bad…
The brawl makes MMA look bad and may end all the talk of Nick Diaz coming back to the UFC. May even be true for Jake. Jake just cost himself a lot of money…
It won’t hurt Jake one bit.
He wasn’t part of the brawl. Mayhem got in his face and he lost his cool for a second, but he immediately calmed down once someone grabbed him and immediately apologized when they came back from commercial. He’ll be fine.
Nick OTOH is a different story. He was already on CBS/Showtime’s shitlist for skipping a drug test, missing a fight, and the Showtime guys still remember the Noons post-fight brawl from his EliteXC days. I would not be the least bit surprised if they don’t pressure Strikeforce to cut him outright.
Mayhem Miller may go down as the “seth petruzelli” of shitfarce but I dont agree with the GSP, Matt Hughes comparison at all.
Those 2 were supposed to fight each other next. GSP never butted into Matt’s interview and he wasnt provoking his camp.
You have to take into account the dynamics of a situation. If I go down to sout central LA and I start interrupting people then I deserve to get my ass kicked. Was it right for them to jump him? no…
BUt again the dynamics of a situation. They are a camp. they are celebrating and this douche bag who has no reason for a rematch jumps in trying to steal his thunder is gonna get his ass kicked 9 out of 10 times. I could go down to wall streat with a room full of MBA’s and provoke them to kick my ass as well. This has nothing to do with “thuggery” and everything to do with Human Nature.
There’s no way Mayhem went to the mic on his own… someone at shitfarce told him to do that.
by mmalogic on Apr 18, 2010 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
and when a known opponent is brought into the cage in the UFC they are clearly on the other side of the octagan. I dont care how educated or “moral” you are… after a 5 round fight there’s lots of emotions – 9 out of 10 times that douche bag will get his ass kicked no matter what the camp.
someone at shitfarce told him to do that.
I agree with that. And that’s part of why i compared it to the Hughes/GSP situation. You can ignore the comparison and my point still stands.
That being said, high running emotions do not excuse criminal assault. If they did…well…criminal assault charges wouldn’t exist.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d say that too once things got out of hand.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
^ This
EliteXC said the same thing after the Diaz-Noons brawl, but it later came out that Nick was indeed invited into the cage by the EliteXC brass.
So Coker is saying he had no clue but he is lying, even though he knows that it will immediately get out? If someone told Mayhem to do it then you know he’s going to tell the world, they can’t deny it now. Of course if it was planned you would of thought that someone would of mentioned it to Jake Shields and Gus Johnson because they obviously had no clue at all that Mayhem was going to shove in and try and steal the mike.
by who me on Apr 18, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whether they knew or not, they still look like amateurs. Either they let him go in there “to build heat” – which is stupid in the first place as it’s not like Shields is going to have a great response on the fly – or they didn’t control the cage and let someone who isn’t supposed to be there walk in and get on national TV.
More importantly, the only guy who has the emotions excuse available is Jake Shields, and even though he started the initial scuffle, he did not take part in the gang assault.
Doesnt excuse assualt but it also doesnt excuse stupidity.
I can walk down the street in south central LA and surprise and step up to someone and just say “hello” and Id probably get shot.
It was absolutely STUPID to have mayhem sneak up on him and step up to him. absofuckinglutely stupid.
by mmalogic on Apr 18, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay. SO then Shields has every excuse in your eyes to have thrown a punch at Miller. What about the Diaz bros and everyone else?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
repeat:
when you’re a team and your guy pulls this shit out of his ass whom you’ve been working with for so long – there’s lots of emotions there.
What mayhem did was about as stupid as someone walking up to a baby cub with mother bear standing right there.
(and it’s not an excuse… it’s just human nature. SMart people understand nature and live by its unspoken rules and dumb people do not and get punch in the fucking face)
And all people suffer consequences for their actions.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Also...
watch the replay linked above. It wasn’t exactly surprise that made Shields shove him and then throw two punches. Shields acknowledged him well before the shove.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
"Human nature"
Really, because 99% of MMA fighters are actually calm, collected individuals and leave their fights in the cage. Up until this, Shields was one of them.
Get rid of the ramp!
not to mention the basis
for most martial arts are to have higher self control and self respect
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
As illustrated
by all the drunken fights on TUF that, to my knowledge, no one is calling for police intervention.
and the dudes
that are usually drunk and fighting in the house usually don’t win and aren’t high level martial artist
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But they are representing
MMA to national audiences correct?
And how does the “self control and self respect” criteria not apply to Miller?
he asked for a fucking rematch, thats it. your failed logic will never get around the fact he said about 5 words and got jumped by three guys.
You mean mine and Coker's "failed logic" right?
He wasn’t supposed to be in the ring, he hijacked the occasion because he believes his life to be an mtv show for tweens. In the professional world of sports, on a stage like that you don’t try to grab the spotlight without consent of the people who sign your friggen checks…. you ever hear of that logic champ.
If Coker shares you logic it does not correct it from being failed. Mayhem along with 5 dozen of camp gracie wasent suppose to be there. Mayhem did not come in the ring because “MTV tweens show” lifestyle, he went in to put Jake on the spot and get a rematch for the title.
As for the people who sign the checks calling the shots maybe SF should get a handle on its fighters. This is an issues of the inmates running things. SF needs mayhem more then Mayhem needs SF. Go ahead cut him, im sure he will make his way to Japan and do fine over there. SF will be out one guy who is popular while Miller will be made to walk the plank of a ship that is half sunk.
Oh I get it
You’re arguing about the situation strictly as a Miller fan… funny.
Go ahead cut him, im sure he will make his way to Japan and do fine over there.
Ha, what are you his little brother or something man, a big MTV fan I take it.
How come i knew once you couldent respond you were going to pull some shit like that above.
“You his little brother, HAHAHA me smarter you Miller Nut hugger”
No im speaking from a common sense point of view. Strikeforce needs every fighter they have/ can get Thus cutting any one would be a foolish idea imcluing any of the Gracie camp. Don’t bullshit your way off topic with childish observations.
Why do you think Nick gets away with skipping drug tests? Why do you think AO gets away with running off to Japan with one of their titles? Strikeforce needs every fighter and more so popular fighters such as Mayhem.
WHat happened last night was a lack of control over fighters. Diaz knew he would get off scott free if he was to be a douche bag and attack someone, if that was the UFC Diaz would not only show up for drug tests he would be there a hald hour early.
You're the one
that inserted the “Go ahead cut him, im sure he will make his way to Japan and do fine over there” meme.
No one ever argued that SF doesn’t need all their fighters. He was out of line as illustrated by his own apology.
But please, continue with your fictional ‘what if’ scenarios.
in all of Cokers comments
he admitted that he hadn’t yet seen the video. so leave Coker out of it until he makes an informed comment about the situation, all though his tone may not change much sense those are 3 of his gracie babies in the cage
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounded like he
had a pretty good grip on what happened.
Like I said, call me out when the Gracie camp all go to jail or get suspended… won’t happen.
If Strikeforce did indeed tell him to do that...
Part of the problem may have been that, given they were so short on time, Miller had to rush the planned post match confrontation, thus coming off a lot more disrespectful by interrupting the interview before Shields had time to say anything. I agree that high running emotions do not excuse criminal assault, but if you live by the pro wrestling sword, you can die from the pro wrestling sword. If you don’t clue Shields in that such a confrontation was going to happen, then you run the risk of something stupid like this happening. Simply put, if Strikeforce did indeed tell him to do that, then they deserve part of the blame for this farce occurring.
by Keith Harris on Apr 18, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce isn’t losing money. Ppl who are predicting SF to go out of business because of this simply are too dumb to fully grasp the type of debt that Pro Elite was in.
Their problem was a number of things capped off by the Petruzelli incident. But before that, CBS had basically bought up most of thier debt so they would have needed CBS to buy the company for them to continue running shows, which CBS was leaning towards when the Kimbo/Petruzelli thing hit. After that CBS pulled out of the deal and allowed EliteXC to go bankrupt. Strikeforce isn’t in any financial difficulties and that’s coming from all the legit MMA media outlets. Even if they lose CBS they’ll still have Showtime and they’ll still be solvent.
Strikeforce expected to lose money on this show, but it’s the first one that that’s been the case and CBS has never really scheduled set dates for thier shows anyway. If a card comes along that they think that they can do ratings with, they may chance it in the future, but they’ll likely wait awhile.
I see Gil yelling, Nick throwing, Shields throwing, and Nate behind Shields.
Don’t recognize anyone else.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 18, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
True, he looked like he cocked his fist, but there’s no bad intentions on his face (Nick, on the other hand…).
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 18, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
the other angle replay someone posted above...
does show Shields throwing at least one
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, right. I think he threw one or two lazy punches, then stepped back.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 18, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
By the look of things in the Hendo fight...
..lazy punches = the best Shields can throw.
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by Ozzz on Apr 18, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think landed. It looked like the pulled it back before it did.
More of a reflex self defense (oh shit something is going down right in my face) type thing.
Nicks face is telling me:
“That Grand Slam looks good bro, can I get a bite of hash browns?”
I actually thought it was fun and amusing
we were all up and cheering. it was the most exctiment of the night! everyone needs to relax, , it happens in baseball basketball football and of course hockey! And they still get aired on the networks! If cbs was embarresed of this they would not have replayed it!
by #1 piggy on Apr 18, 2010 1:41 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
MLB is not in a precarious position, teetering on the brink of mainstream acceptance.
I love me some me.
by Medium Nog on Apr 18, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Courage Wolf
I like you already sir
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by flyingkneetoface on Apr 18, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re acknowledgement of his existence and title mean you are as much of a degenerate as I am.
Accordingly, the fact that our opinions on MMA’s position on the national stage parallel (in addition to our taste for anonymous message boards with no sense of decency) both horrifies and titillates me.
I love me some me.
My drunken inability to differentiate between proper use of you’re and your is an embarrassment to everyone on this message board.
Good evening, gentlemen.
I love me some me.
what a wonderful username sir.
good day to u.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
There's a difference though
Baseball and basketball are nationally recognized sports, these things do not happen normally for them to be considered ok and when they do occur large punishments are handed out. MMA is trying to shed that “barbaric” image that we’ve been branded with and by getting on national tv was a great step towards that direction. What happened tonight took us some steps back and when I watched it I was ashamed.
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by flyingkneetoface on Apr 18, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
This happens in all mainstream sports?
I’ve never seen five people gang up on one person and even go so far as to kick them while they’re being held down. Especially when you consider that Mayhem did not have any violent intent. This does NOT happen in mainstream sports.
The closest thing I can think of was the NBA fan brawl. but different situation entirely with that one.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the "Malice in the Palace" was pretty bad
But one of the fans threw something at Artest’s head and the other one was punching him in the back of the head. They had it coming to them. It was obvious that Miller wasn’t going to become violent. Shield’s safety was never an issue here. The equivalent to this would be one team’s starting five ganging up on one player for saying something that they didn’t like. That would never happen.
Actually the fans Artest attacked were not even the fans that threw something
That is why the 1 fan was hitting Artest because the guy Artest was going after didnt even do anything.
I agree piggy
While I dislike the Diaz brothers as much as the next decent human being with some sense of morals and values, I think their little shenanigans actually saved the show from being a complete bust.
StrikeForce and CBS obviously thought the same, which is why they allowed to be shown, even on the west coast tape delay, which they could have easily edited. It happens in most sports and people love to watch.
This is going to be a great and much needed storyline for SF, and should set up a couple nice fights involving Mayhem and the C.G. boys.
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by RearNakedChoker on Apr 18, 2010 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I keep watching this
And get more and more disgusted.
As far as this concerns UFC (since there is stonewall evidence), Dana needs to discipline Nate Diaz immediately if not cut him outright.
The Seahawks have traded my signature to the Detroit Lions for a 6th round draft pick.
Well that was a disaster.
Gonna be tough watching the Bellator Highlights on NBC at 2am (est) after losing interest in MMA for one night.
Thats how we roll in the 209!!!!
by SilverNBlackZach! on Apr 18, 2010 1:49 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
That's sad...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
All that was was the Gracie coming out in them. Renzo would have slapped the shit out of someone for the same thing.
by SilverNBlackZach! on Apr 18, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, share some wisdom with me..
..when’s the last time a Gracie beat someone?
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by Ozzz on Apr 18, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Roger is a killer!!!!
You hold your tongue sir!!!!!
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Apr 18, 2010 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
photo via nathandiaz.com...
Genius. It’s gonna be hilarious when he goes to court and they use his own website as evidence against him.
I have to think that for the first time the folks at Strikeforce are hoping the ratings tanked for the main event. Between Henderson getting mauled and the postfight melee, they might be in better shape if this does a poor number.
Gilbert isn't to blame
I don’t think its fair to suspend or Blame Gilbert for anything, ive watched it now a bunch of times from both angles, and Gilbert didn’t do anything except try and separate Shields and Mayhem, as soon as the fight started he backed off, you can tell because he was wearing a black shirt and his hands were still taped, the onlly people fighting were the diaz brothers and anther guy from shields corner.
Kanyeeee?
Mayhem: “Hey Jake, imma let you finish, but I want to set up the best rematch of all time. ALL TIME!!!!!!”
Except luckily Taylor posse didn’t put the beatdown on kanye at the Grammys.
by rampage.yo on Apr 18, 2010 2:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
And I used to run with taylors crew back in my hood rat days, and they’re usually packin heat. Kanye’s lucky to be alive.
by rampage.yo on Apr 18, 2010 2:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gilbert, Shields and Diaz's too Blame.
There looking even gayer by posting all this shit, WTF are they so happy about ? They had 10 guys beat up on 1 guy and he still went at them and got up wanting more. That picture is pathetic 2 fighters throwing a cheap shot at a guy who’s barely looking. Nick got owned too, Big john got him with a nasty single leg takedown.
by Ghost Face Killer on Apr 18, 2010 2:03 AM EDT reply actions
People who are saying “MAYHEM GOT WHAT HE DESERVED” wtf are you talking about ? He didn’t hurt no one he was being himself trying to be funny and asked for a Rematch. Since when if you ask a champion for a rematch you get jumped by the Latin kings ?
by Ghost Face Killer on Apr 18, 2010 2:04 AM EDT reply actions
He didn’t get what he deserved but he wasn’t just trying to be funny he was being a dick and interrupting another guy’s interview. He had no business being in the cage to start with at that point, he shouldn’t get a pass on this.
by who me on Apr 18, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This would be like a member of Hammerhouse beating the shit out of Tito for screaming at Coleman after the couture fight.
David Price is better than your top young pitcher.
Except we’d probably be celebrating.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 18, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
If Tito had entered the cage and shouldered Coleman out of his interview(well Coleman didn’t get an interview) it would be like that. Heck for all we know Hammerhouse caught up to Tito later and that’s why he’s off TUF.
Oh well I didn’t remember that but I know I would of remembered if Tito had climbed into the cage with him as opposed to of yelling at him as he left the arena.
Tito was cageside screaming at him during his interview, prompting coleman to go "Fuck You Tito."
David Price is better than your top young pitcher.
Tito screamed at him and then left, it was a real dick move on Tito’s part but it would of been hard for there to of been a brawl as Tito didn’t enter the cage or actually even get close to Coleman. Hard for the Hammerhouse guys in the cage with Coleman to start a brawl with Tito outside the cage leaving the area. Yea I guess they could of jumped out and stopped him (the Diaz brother’s might of done that) but it was a different situation.
The whole point to start with is that just like Tito shouldn’t get a pass for being a dick then Miller shouldn’t get a pass for being a dick now. Whether there was a brawl or not doesn’t excuse either of their shitty behavior.
I'm not arguing about the dickishness, I'm just saying neither of those dick moves deserved violence.
David Price is better than your top young pitcher.
Yes and I never disagreed with that at all to start with. What I don’t get is why people are trying to take a side here or act like what what Miller did was in any way acceptable. Dick moves are dick moves, the brawl is a completely different issue of other guys being dicks. You can’t just give Miller a pass on this as he was in the wrong too. It’s quite obvious that in this situation pretty much everyone was in the wrong.
by who me on Apr 18, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Couple of notes
I know it’s cool that Mousasi comes off as super calm under pressure, but maybe every now and again he should consider showing a little urgency. I sincerely hope he didn’t throw the fight just do to his level of smugness and hoping this wiil motivate him to take his career a little more serious from this point on.
Frank Shamrock SHOULD NOT be allowed to comment ever again. It seems like one of the most important rules in being a commentator is to hide your bias as much as you can, not wear it on your sleeve like its the cool thing to do. when you’re openly proclaiming that you don’t like a guy and think he’ll get destroyed that’s not doing much to hype an audience for a fight. Also the audible “yes” thing he was doing for Melendez against Aoki is enough to never want him in the booth again.
Jake Shields needs to fill a bathtub full of proactive and just sit in it for like three days.
This entire night must have been like watching the football team run a train on your prom date while your mother passes around pictures of your genitals for Scott Croker. Strikeforce definetely took a lot of big hits in a lot of different ways tonight but they’re not totally ruined yet.
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by Fake Emcee on Apr 18, 2010 2:18 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Mousasi needs to work on his Cardio, he gassed about as bad as Mo did.
David Price is better than your top young pitcher.
also didn't like Mousasi tonight
he looked uneasy in the standup and tense, and he was shelling up at every faint Mo threw out there. not sure what this means because its easy to read too far into things. While Mousasi is still very young and skilled maybe Mo is as advertised and just naturally that good without all the experience, certainly looked that way. I hope Mousasi doesnt turn into another Kang, because he still has a ton of potential.
I know for a fact that the shields/mayhem faceoff wasn't planned
Because strikeforce never even considered the possibility Hendo would lose.
The SB Nation Eagles blogger is running around saying typically stupid things for an Eagles fan about our sport.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 2:29 AM EDT reply actions
LESS POST-FIGHT BRAWLS, MORE VOMITING ON WOMEN IN THE STANDS.
Stay classy, Philly.
David Price is better than your top young pitcher.
by P Brady on Apr 18, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude was from Jersey please dont hate philly for that jackass. Hate jersey it is basicly New York’s landfill what do you think the cast of Jersey Shore was grown in.
by WhiteyBarrington on Apr 18, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
he was from philly and a philly fan
but there are many more just as good stories about philly fans we could use
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I pretty much hate Jersey and Philly equally, actually.
David Price is better than your top young pitcher.
the only difference is
fake tans and hair gel in jersey
and philly people are probably more violent
but both equally immoral
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
dont take it out on all philadelphia fans
And guy who puked on those people was from NJ and all the Philly fans I know agree he is nothing but a piece of shit.
by WhiteyBarrington on Apr 18, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
dude there are good people everywhere
but philly is the place where an airport worker was ready to right me because i had my Cowboy hat on when I had to switch planes on the way to NY
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
doesn't everybody know
whenever you flush the toilet it goes straight the 50 yard line of lincoln financial in philly
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You misspelled "Drew Brees".
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 18, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
I realize that
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Since we’re living in a world where something like this happened, this was a pretty good day for it to happen.
There was a no hitter, a 20 inning baseball game on national, some crazy hockey games, and the start of the nba playoffs (which included Kevin Garnett getting ejected for throwing elbows and a mini-scuffle).
Now I’m not sure if Strikeforce and CBS have as much control over their film footage as zuffa does, but it’s going to be easier for SF/CBS to control this footage than it would be for the other major sports leagues.
I don’t think this will stay completely under wraps, but with the amount of stuff going on this weekend, I wouldn’t be shocked if this didn’t get a lot of coverage from mainstream media.
Right
Nothing on ESPN front page, nothing on Yahoo front page.
Is up on Foxsports front page but towards the bottom not the big story.
It didnt come up on my front page
after you posted I went through the top 32 and it was in the 13-16 of 32 bracket for me not the 1-4 of 32 so that is why I didnt consider it front page.
At least they’re reporting it honestly as an anomaly & atypical behavior.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 18, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Simply put, what went down after the main event tonight wasn’t good for anyone. Miller looked like a jerk and got his ass beat down. The whole Cesar Gracie camp just put themselves under fire because half of their big names just shit kicked the hell out of Miller (hate to say it guys, but Miller comes off as a dick who needed a good ass whooping…but not like this), Scott Coker wasn’t even ringside when the winner was announced and the interview with Jake happened so he looks like he went missing in action when he saw that Hendo wasn’t coming out on top.
The whole night was sour. I won’t blame anyone for fighting the way they fought (sanctioned fights, of course) but it was worst case scenario each time. Mo coasted his way through Mousasi, Gilbert was cautious on the feet with Aoki up until the last 30 seconds of the 5th round, and Jake Shields just grinded out Hendo, Strikeforce’s new money acquisition. Holy. Fuck. To top it off, one of the most popular faces in Strikeforce (and the sport) just got jumped in center ring.
I’d smile if I was Dana White too. Dana is the kind of spinning shit. Right now we think that Nate Diaz should be cut and fined, but Dana will convince thousands that Miller is a knucklehead, and that Coker set the whole thing up. Thats the kind of power Dana and the UFC have, they can fix situations, hype fights, and build stars. Strikeforce has been halfassing their promotion since hooking up with CBS, lets see how this situation gets handled…if it gets handled at all.
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Dana is the king of spinning shit*** Late night posting…oh how I loathe thee.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
“I’d just like to say, there’s no room in Strikeforce for that type of behavior,” Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker said. “If you’re fighting here at the highest level, you’re fighting on CBS, you’re fighting on Showtime, you’re fighting for Strikeforce or any other MMA organization, there’s no room for that type of behavior. Please take into account this is not something that happens in this sport.”
Coker was not in the arena to see the brawl, having made his way to the backstage area to prepare for the post-fight press conference. He said he would take time to review the tape and reserved the right to discipline any Strikeforce fighters involved.
Aside from Miller and Shields, Strikeforce lightweight champ Gilbert Melendez and welterweight champ Nick Diaz were also involved, along with his brother Nate, who fights in the UFC. (Shields, Melendez and the Diaz brothers are members of the Cesar Gracie fight team.)
Shown a picture of the chaotic scene after the press conference, Coker looked at Miller, surrounded by the Cesar Gracie fight team, with Nick Diaz cocking his fist and about to hit Miller, and shook his head.
“That looks really aggressive,” he said.
The general consensus seemed to be that Miller was at fault for barging in on Shields’ moment and invited the trouble, though he did not appear to be the one to throw the first punch.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/04/18/post-event-brawl-mars-jake-shields-victory-celebration/
I gotta say, Nick Diaz looked brutally pissed. He’s quite photogenic for someone so full of anger.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
100% guaranteed.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
ummm
they don’t have to cancel do they?
much like Shields they have no more contractional obligation to the strikeforce
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Not that it has to do with anything but I just noticed...
that War Machine called Brent a pussy on his twitter because of his comments about the whole Mayhem ordeal.
a credible source on assault no doubt
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Oh hell yeah, thats getting rec’d.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
he sure did...and I responded with
@WarMachine170 Thinks I’m a pussy for saying there should be charges. if anyone would know etiquette for having charges pressed it’d be WM
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
so does
dana cut Nate for this? and me for all the egregious actions his soccer kicks were by far the most heinous
Thats my thinking on the situation…they’ve gotten away with this before, and with all the scrambling and such, only someone who knows what they’re looking for thinks “oh shit, thats Nick and Nate, Nate’s in the UFC! What will Dana do!?” honestly, it took me a couple of views to even figure out what the heck I was trying to watch. Around the third try, I finally saw Miller getting jumped. Slap on the wrist and a chuckle is probably what Nate will get for his troubles.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
if i remember right
that wasn’t nearly as violent was it?
but i already stated my thoughts below, I dont think there is anyway dana lets this get into the way of signing a true contender for gsp
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think so. I think if Dana was ever going to stand up and look like an advocate for the sport, this would be it, but I don’t think he will. He’ll probably brush it off as Strikeforce’s problem, and have a talk with Nate.
We’ll see.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly believe he would if not for the fact.....
… he is fixing to make a big push to sign his team mate and friend
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh, the politics of fighting.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, this
Diaz and Shields next fight will be with the same company. (ie if Shields stays with SF, Diaz is cut)
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i doubt it, i think he probably will be suspended or something but not cut. If this had happened in a UFC event then yea id see it happening but not like this.
he might get a bonus for doing it on a SF card
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
sort of funny in hindsight
If you can get passed Mayhem calling sherwood fat, and making a terrible Al gore/internet joke, he says that he still has his mouthpiece and he can go out there and fight Jake Shields and Dan Henderson, then loretta says, “i hope we get to see that.”
http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Miller-Breaks-Down-Win-Says-Hell-Take-Lawler-2387
I mean, if he was willing to go out there and fight 2 guys, what’s the harm in him fighting a few more guys?
You can see that
for a second Jake Shields was smiling after what Mayhem said and after he gave him that little shove. Then you hear Melendez start bitching out and Nate Diaz throw a water bottle at Mayhem which started the entire thing. The Diaz brothers are fucking tools who would be in jail right now if it weren’t for mma
by av1o3 on Apr 18, 2010 3:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If the brawl was bad for CBS, WHY DID THEY LEAVE IT ON THE TAPE DELAY?????
can someone please explain this to me?
by J_Maddux on Apr 18, 2010 3:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well…to be honest it had more of a chance of bringing in eyeballs from people who heard about it than the fights did.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 18, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Watching local news coverage of the assault.
Saying it was what Strikeforce wanted, and it was good TV. Was the only reason people stuck around until 11:45pm. “This is the whole point of this, is for people TO get hurt!”
Gross.
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I feel dirty just reading that. Gah…call them or something, make it stop.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
CBS affiliate, right after fights.
KFBM.
I’m thinking of writing something on behalf of MMA fans and professionals admonishing the fighters involved and sending it in to the station. Might accomplish nothing, but feels like the responsible thing to do.
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Thanks Shitfarce
Now I get to hear on tv and radio how the sport I enjoy the most is a joke. Thanks. Please EliteXC yourself.
by NinjaRehab on Apr 18, 2010 3:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Let me just say one more thing before I got to bed in my nice hotel room in Nashville
Blueballfly is an incredible expert on octagon tussles. I was in the middle of it when it happened, but yet he knows about 50 times more things about it than me.
Good night
You staying at the Opryland Hotel? If so, it’s freaking nice.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions
well i would say
somebody that saw it 10 times from a couple of different angles probably did get a better view then some drunk ass standing in the middle of a brawl, probably either running away or punching the guy being held down by 6 others
not to mention this happened in a polygon and not an octagon
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
You’re still getting it wrong and it sounds like you didn’t see it from all the angles, watch kid nate’s second video.
ok
what is different there? have you seen any of these or are you just spouting stuff off?
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, thats your problem
You 1st moronically insult this person, and cast a thoughtless, discriminatory stereotype by implying they were drunk, running away or brawling themselves. Your myopia and emotional biased fever are in full steam, you have lost all credibility on this topic, sorry.
by SimplePsych on Apr 18, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
haha ok
so the good ol
“the truth will come out. wait a few days and see” defense that lends you a ton of credibility
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, not to you of course
You have been on the emotional lynch mob since the moment the incident happened. But to reasonable thinking men, yes. As you can see by all the glowing comments in your favor, there are a few, even in MMA fans.
so im on an emotional lynch mob
because i think that 7 dudes that broke the law were in the wrong and 1 dude that did nothing but talk wasn’t? where was i emotional?
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes because that whole statement is BS
Slowly, carefully read. I wrote this earlier, Ill repeat it just for you, the 100+ poster on the subject. I was there, you weren’t, I don’t care what you think you saw, it means nothing.
1. Mayhem is not stupid, he knew what he was doing and knew what he was risking. Those types of confrontations are always requested and approved beforehand by officials and both parties, he ignored this rule.
2. After the initial shoving by Gil and Jake, Miller continued the shoving. That is escalation and further provecation.
3. There were 5 people throwing blows, the Diaz’s, Miller, Millers manager and one cornerman. Thats 3 people throwing blows against 2!. It just happens that those 2 are very good at it!.
4. Me and the other 6 you see in there were wrestling and getting control of the melee.
5. Miller was not hurt, his face was pristine and he was able to do 24 interviews right after and party until 8am at his after party.
6. There was no police inquiry or questioning of anyone. No charges filed and there will not be.
7. Neither Shields or the Diaz’s have any desire to even have a match with him
8. Next subject please
9. Thank you
10. Get some sleep
11. Then get a life
by SimplePsych on Apr 19, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not your buddy, guy.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions
in a shocking turn of events
Brent Brookhouse reminds the entire internet that he doesn’t like Nick Diaz
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
When you watch the video there are multiple men attacking one man for asking “when do I get my rematch.”
No. You see Mayhem getting shoved out of the way after he shoved his way into an interview that wasn’t his to give, followed by a melee about which you have no details. Your anti-Diaz bias is ridiculous to the point of being unprofessional and at this point I think it’s probably best that you step away from any kind of aspirations to journalism.
Details? We have high definition video of the melee…the beginning of it all is crystal clear…we have no details? No details? Are you serious?
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Feel free to link to a video of anyone throwing the first punch
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Or
you could just watch the endless videos that show what went down, clearly, that have already been posted.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
if it’s so easy to find why not just post a link?
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Happy? A little more thorough reading of the thread would have found it.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/18/1428694/post-event-thoughts-strikeforce#35053579
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 18, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
jeesus dude
every video out there shows shields throwing the first punch
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Theres a great picture update on this article, that has Nate Diaz, and Jake Shields both pulling back to throw a punch. Video shows everything up to the point where a guy steps in front of the camera, and one is led to believe that thats when the picture was taken. I’m sure this won’t be good enough, so why don’t you request a Judo Chop be made breaking down everything real simple like for you.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not just post a video?
If you’re so sure about this
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw5qPUOCts8
Start watching at 15 seconds, Nate and Shields throw.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions
After Mayhem shoves them out of the way and lunges forward
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re the one arguing we have no details, I don’t give a shit what happened and in what order, but you’re acting like we know nothing about this when it’s all pretty clear when you watch carefully.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
but I still don’t see how this can be blamed on either of the Diaz brothers outside of ridiculous bias. Mayhem got into a shoving match with an entire team of professional fighters, while neither Nick nor Nate were involved in the origins of the scuffle.
But don’t let that stop anyone from asking for the every Caesar Gracie fighter’s suspension while casting Mayhem as an innocent victim.
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Gil shoved him to start the entire scrum? Because CGJJ threw the first punches and then gang-soccer kicked a guy?
Sound like pretty logical reasons to me.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t realize shoving was grounds for suspension. Thanks for the update.
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re forgetting the punches and soccer kicks?
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That tends to happen when you pick fights with an entire team of professional fighters.
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
No fight was picked. None at all. And you know it. He joked around on the mic about a rematch and got jumped.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
He interrupted an interview to ask for a fight with the guy giving the interview, got shoved out of the way by a team of professional fighters, then put his head down and ran into the team of professional fighters.
The world’s tiniest violin playing just for Mayhem Miller -→ .
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if Miller, another professional fighter, wanted to pick a fight…he’d use better technique than your “head down” run you keep bringing up. He wanted to start a scene, not a fist fight.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions
which is to say
no one ever accused mayhem of being smart
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions
So
you agree with me then? Good, those Diaz kids deserve suspension.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
For what? You don’t get suspended for interrupting an interview.
That said, I wouldn’t be to upset if he did get suspended. It’s like schoolhouse rules, you are involved in a fight you get in trouble even if you didn’t start it.
Only the Diaz bros. acted criminally, however.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
For starting a fight
obviously (there’s HD slow motion video if you’re curious)
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing Mayhem did started the fight. It’s crystal clear to anyone who isn’t a Diaz fanboi.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
except for all of the shoving and interrupting interviews and whatnot
(cool new av!)
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Interrupting interviews is a cause for a fight?
Boy, then Kanye got off easy
mayhem was talking smack
and a posse started pushing him
if you don’t believe me show this to a police officer and ask them who they would arrest
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
the answer:
none of them because no one was arrested
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
And furthermore, none of us was even questioned nor did any of us see a real officer of the law. If the issue is pushed, I am sure the Nashville DA will revue the tape. But it would have to be pushed by Mayhem or his management, and he wont do that, so the issue is a dead horse, its over. Neither Shields nor the Diaz’s even want a real match with him.
Miller shouldn’t have pulled a Kanye, but this wasn’t a shoving match, Nick and Nate beat the fuck out of him dude. Nate was soccer kicking him. If they hadn’t ever gotten involved, it would have just been “a scuffle” not some guy getting jumped for saying he wanted a rematch.
It was a clusterfuck, and the Diaz brothers took things to another level. Shields hardly hit Miller, but Nick and Nate didn’t play, it was a street fight in there. You don’t have to be biased to see that the Diaz brothers took things too far, they’ve done this before, but never this bad. They didn’t start the fight, but they ended it.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
and i enjoyed every second of it. I’d be interested to see how mayhem feels about this. i’d be willing to bet that he isnt as outraged as everyone else is about this.
As did I, and I couldn’t give a shit if anyone is fined or whatever, but the fact is, we’re going to have to put up with people who are anti-MMA bringing this up, when it was immature and idiotic.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure Mayhem
is eating it up. It’s sort of beside the point, though.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Nick Diaz vs. KJ Noons
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
When did it escalate past trash talking? Was a punch ever thrown?
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that how you debate? Constant questions…it’s not working in your favor. Go make another Star Wars movie.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I ask questions because you can't answer them
the fact is that the Diaz/Noons debacle never made it past shoves and trash talk (mostly to Noons’ dad, I might add)
prove me wrong
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You forget a lot of things...
like the
but never this badpart of the post.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
here's the part you missed
They didn’t start the fight
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s either a question, or something stupid, or a stupid question with this guy.
At this point he’s either trolling, or embarrassing himself.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s 3:05 in the morning, I’ve answered all of your stupid questions and been right. As far as I’m concerned, you went from bitching about Brent, to bitching about Miller, to just bitching in general because you are failing.
I’m going to sleep.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
point by point
a, brent is wrong because miller started a fight
b, miller is wrong because miller started a fight
c, good night and better luck next time with your argument
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
lol I like you.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep reaching, because you’ve got nothing.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
its obvious by his
avatar he is a wrestling fan and is just here to stir up shit let vince be
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
yeah only the true MMA fans have Baseball avatars
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
fucking LOL
and you change av’s right after I post this
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
And hey, at least I linked you the vid instead of rambling on. =)
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions
If thats not good enough, which I’m sure it won’t be, check out Shields at 19 seconds in.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
WTF
Mayhem didn’t “shove” his way anywhere. He came in and joked around about his rematch and Gil went apeshit about it.
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
another idiotic take
mayhem never shoved anybody tell he was shoved and bottles were thrown at him by multiple offenders
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
so you think this was an intelligent take?
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks for not answering the question. go back to your ranting.
by BradCr on Apr 18, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh bottles were thrown
feel free to post video of this being shown
by George Lucas on Apr 18, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok a quick observation
as I was watching this on my DVR for the 11th time and I’m watching the interview with gussy mauro frank and shields out side of the cage and frank is slobbering all over shields telling him how he is a shields fan now after outwardly rooting for dan the entire fight shields says to frank and i quote “we still need to get it on one day” and you would not freaking believe what happened next…….. wait for it………. nothing holy crap so shields challenges frank and frank and mauro and gussy didn’t jump his ass right there and soccer kick his ass while he was being tackled on the mat? what a crazy, yet adult like reaction from frank
Ugh, again
Frank didn’t root for Dan the whole fight, are you serious? He did that for about a round and a half and then did nothing but give Shields props or at least comment objectively. He said he’s “officially a Jake Shields fan”… go to bed dude.
what does this have to do with my point?
ok thanks
by blueballlefty on Apr 18, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you really need me to explain context to you
the set of circumstances governing one situation isn’t akin to the other set of circumstances. “Shields says to Frank”… do you see how this is different or should I keep explaining?
I think the point was, you can ask for a fight and not get the shit beat out of you.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be interesting
To see how Dana treats Nate and compare it to how the NFL treated Big Ben. Since Dana would like everyone to believe UFC = NFL I think it would be apt and interesting.
I think the best part of this is that the Bully Beatdown guy got beatdown for bullying the champ.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
I think
He really just wanted another 25 min hug from Jake ;p
by Chris Barton on Apr 18, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
And just like on the show...
…the loser walks away without a scratch.
Only difference: No stuntmen pretending to be everyday bullies last night.
http://www.vancouversun.com/mma
So 2 brawls on CBS. Both involving the Diaz Brothers and the rest of degenerates from the crystal meth fueled hellhole known as Stockton CA.
Send them back to their grow operations and triathlons and get them the fuck out of my MMA.
"I expect him to hit me, and I expect it to hurt. I just don't care." - Chael Sonnen on fighting Anderson Silva
by Earl Montclair on Apr 18, 2010 4:07 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hah
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
This is some high quality stuff
"I expect him to hit me, and I expect it to hurt. I just don't care." - Chael Sonnen on fighting Anderson Silva
by Earl Montclair on Apr 18, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Stockton Homie.
"I expect him to hit me, and I expect it to hurt. I just don't care." - Chael Sonnen on fighting Anderson Silva
by Earl Montclair on Apr 18, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think that its great at all. Where you are getting that I have no idea. You were questioning why he would be proud and I answered you. Mellow out.
"I expect him to hit me, and I expect it to hurt. I just don't care." - Chael Sonnen on fighting Anderson Silva
by Earl Montclair on Apr 18, 2010 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
209 MUTHAFUCKAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
"I expect him to hit me, and I expect it to hurt. I just don't care." - Chael Sonnen on fighting Anderson Silva
by Earl Montclair on Apr 18, 2010 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
209 or die mo’ fucka.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 18, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
On a different note........
King Mo showed a lot of heart tonight. I would not be shocked if he has a broken orbital bone and he won the last three rounds with one eye open.
Hopefully, but I doubt it, people will not pass him off as merely a guy with charisma and flashy entrances. He is a dedicated dude and earned his victory by leaving it all in the cage.
"I expect him to hit me, and I expect it to hurt. I just don't care." - Chael Sonnen on fighting Anderson Silva
I don't know if this has been posted here in this mountain of comments
but this video goes along way in proving things didn’t get aggressive until Gil started shoving.
"With great power comes great responsibility" -Spiderman's Uncle
The funny thing is, it also shows that Gil was the only member of the Diaz camp who did not throw a punch.
I don’t blame and Gil & Jake for getting upset at Mayhem, and I can even let Jake off the hook for throwing a couple of punches after an emotional five round upset victory. Both of those guys kept their wits about them and backed off once things started to get out of control. It was only the Diaz boys who kept things going.
WTF
http://www.mmatko.com/all-hell-breaks-lose-at-the-end-of-strikeforce-nashville/
That’s the video,
"With great power comes great responsibility" -Spiderman's Uncle
It’s pretty clear that Mayhem stood there until Jake noticed.
Then Jake does a friendly chest tap.
Mayhem got a little too close so he can talk on the mic, but it wasn’t anything more than being rude to hype a fight.
Gilbert overreacted here.
It could’ve easily just have been a war of words, otherwise.
Elite level wrestling will the the death of MMA
by pandaboy99 on Apr 18, 2010 7:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You sir may be correct
Not that I don’t enjoy, to some degreee, a 5 round wrestling match but if you compare that last GSP performance to the way say Couture beat Gonzaga. Couture kicked his ass by controlling him on the cage, out boxing him and out wrestling. That was a very entertaining fight. Hell even Chael’s performance over Nate was very entertaining.
I think eventually people will catch up with wrestlers and get better takedown defense. Simply put BJJ fighters don’t have enough fear of being put on their back because they are overly confident in their BJJ. Unfortunately they forget the fact that if they are unable to submit them that they will probably lose the round on their back.
Mousassis takedown defense looked pretty bad, and the late fight takedowns were mostly due to his exhaustion.
by kibbled_bits on Apr 18, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
This was my mother’s second viewing of an mma fight and she loved it. She babysat and we walked in and she was raving about how I missed a good fight and she was pumped about the shields fight…. talking about him “mounting him after he almost got knocked out.”
This was right before the brawl and after the brawl she asked why the kid with the red in his hair started a fight.
Working on spin, either pro Strikeforce or anti UFC.
It will be tricky, but he will come thru with quality stuff.
I felt uncomfortable after this event unlike I ever have before
I really felt embarrassed that people were watching this on CBS. The fights were not great, I don’t know who to blame here. Mousasi didn’t seem to have any gameplan at all, Aoki had absolutely nothing for Melendez but wasn’t finished, and Dan looked every bit of 39 and gassed after an impressive first 3 minutes. Jake dominated him but could not put him away.
None of these fights were very exciting to watch, I doubt any casual viewers who were flipping through channels were enticed to continue watching.
Frank Shamrocks’ absolutely biased commentary in the last two fights was utterly embarrassing and he even had to be reigned in by Mauro.
But the clownery of Mayhem and the subsequent thuggery of the Cesar Gracie camp took the cake. Gang assault and bedlam with the background noise of Gus Johnson saying “this is what happens in MMA sometimes”; this likely did serious damage to this sports’ image that can’t be undone with many viewers. Lat night MMA became the sport of thuggish meatheads on national t.v.
Great job Strikeforce.
Miller would have gotten away with it to
If it wasn’t for those meddling Diaz bros
by capital L on Apr 18, 2010 8:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you really surprised by the Diaz brothers?
Seriously, these guys are ghetto trash. They aren’t professional in any way and I’m sure “spineless” Scott Coker will do nothing about this.
It’s a total shame to waste that massive CBS exposure on hood rats like Nick and Nate Diaz. Dana White is probably happy as hell now. Strikeforce is halfway in the grave.
I gotta give Shields props though…. He imposed his will on Hendo. Shields will do great in the UFC.
Perspective man
The UFC just signed Kimbo Slice and James Toney… spare us the lectures on professionalism.
Slice went through TUF.
He’s got the ground skills of a small pony, but at least he’s givin’ it some.
And why not Toney? Rampage hasn’t done any more than box for the last five years, so even if all Toney does is what Toney does, he’ll be no worse than the main event at UFC 114.
http://www.vancouversun.com/mma
You said the Diaz bros “aren’t professional in any way”… I’d say other than being ridiculously good professional fighters.
You’re referring to representing the sport right? Did you happen to catch all that press about Rampage running over a pregnant lady and such…
Let me be clear: Rampage is a douchebag.
I put him in the same class as the Diaz Crime Family.
Soon as Rashad beats his face off, he can go back to extras work.
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Miller should not have been allowed in the cage
The difference is that the UFC controlls the event a lot more tightly, I don’t see entourages that large in the UFC cage. I blame everyone below in the following order:
1. Miller – he had no right to go into the cage, there was no mediator in between with a mic. He asserted himself in a situation he had no right to be part of.
2. Diaz bros – what more can I say
3. Strikeforce – they knowingly employ several fighters with a loose screw who have some entertainment and shock value. There should have been better security around the ring on who DOESNT get in
I take that back
1. Diaz bros
2. Miller
After hearing post fight interviews, reminded me of a couple of things. Miller is a respectable fighter, he tries to do things to standout but he’s has class. Diaz brothers on the otherhand, have no class whatsoever.
by kibbled_bits on Apr 18, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I am most surprised by Mousasi....
I knew that Mo was a stud going in to this fight, but Gegard didn’t even look like he was interested in being there.
King Mo looked like an amateur in there and Mousasi either has the worst take down defense ever or just didn’t care about the fight.
Overall… this was a shit card.
I hope this squashes Mousasi’s dreams about moving up to heavyweight.
Stud? It looked to me like
they both needed to be “put down” after the 2nd round. Neither fighter is top 10 material.
way too far down in the comments now I guess; but just wanted to add:
Good article and I agree with you about pretty much everything you had to say Brent.
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Just think of how much negotiating power Vadim gained after last night, it kind of explains why M1 has been dicking with Coker. Wait till the show flops and the need for Fedor could not be any greater.
He may have lost a lot though. If this card makes CBS decide to pull the plug, fedor or no fedor, they lost a lot of leverage with the UFC because they don’t have to compete with anyone.
PPV is the next option.
there is no point holding big fights on Showtime, so what, maybe on a good day 500k people watch, maybe you stack a card and 800k people watch, big deal.
PPV.
a big PPV that I think could do ok, though without CBS promoting a PPV for you, that hurts.
But if you can get the word out.
Fedor vs Overeem for the HW title
Mo vs Hendo for LHW title
Melendez vs Crusher/Shaolin/KJ Noons for LW title
Melvin vs Le
Rogers vs Lashley
Something like that.
Bring Fedor, Overeem, Hendo, Gilbert, Mo, Le, Lashley etc on a PPV, it could do ok.
Now had Hendo won, Hendo vs Mo, champ vs champ would have worked, but maybe the cut to MW did hurt him.
Problem is, there isnt any other LHW for Mo to fight.
You could do Diaz vs Noons for the WW title, you could do Melvin vs Le, Le vs Lawler, Lashley vs Walker or Rogers.
Fedor vs overeem would work.
Get atleast 3 title fights, make it a big card, it might do alright.
If they need money, I’m sure stacking a card and doing 300k plus PPV buys would make more money then a showtime show, right?
Problem is you’d have to put every big star on the card, when Fedor is making probalby millions, Henod making money, Diaz 100k, Le has to be making good money, maybe you dont make alot.
I dont know.
My solution.
How about Fedor, Overeem, Mousasi, Mo, Jake, Diaz, Gilbert all come to the UFC, and then let SF go back to being a regional org.
Ha! Pay-per-view.
I’ll pay to watch King of the Cage over the crap they showed last night.
And I ain’t paying to watch King of the Cage any time soon.
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I don’t know why there is any debate on this, but let me break down a play by play, even though I would think the video evidence would be more accurate than my words.
Miller walks into the ring after the Shields fight and stands awkwardly in the background, then walks closer to Shields.
Shields turns around and sees Miller, smiles and nods his head, Shields pats Miller in the stomach with the back of his hand and says, “What’s up man?”. So far, seems like there is no negative energy to the situation whatsoever.
Interviewer puts up microphone to Shields face and Miller leans in and says, “What’s up, where’s my rematch, buddy?” Before Mayhem is even finished with this sentence, Gil is already moving in from behind Shields with a nasty look on his face yelling, “Yo!”. Then, Gilbert pushes Mayhem.
Mayhem pushes Gil and then they both try to push each other at the same time. Then Mayhem has his hands up like, “What the hell?” which is when Nate Diaz actually throws the first punch from behind Shields but he is too far away, at the same time, Nick Diaz places his left hand on Mayhem to get ready for his punch and Shields winds back as well…as seen in this picture:
Then, Nick Diaz and Shields punch Mayhem at the same time.
Mayhem pushes Nick as Nick keeps punching him and they end up in a standard wrestling tie-up as Nate pushes Shields out of the way and goes for a single leg.
Then, right before all hell breaks loose, Shields runs in while Nick and Nate are grappling Mayhem at the same time, and throws another punch before he is carried away.
Cue Hell breaking loose.
With everyone around it is hard to see who is trying to break it up and who is trying to join in on beating Mayhem, but Nick and Nate are both dressed alike and stay on Miller the whole time and at one point I clearly make out Nate with Mayhem’s back punching him in the ribs, Nick with clinch punishing Mayhem, and Gilbert with a headlock punching Mayhem all at the same time.
After the fight after asked what happened, Nick Diaz said, “That little bitch boy came in tryin’ to push my boy right after he done fightin’” then shrugs like he Mayhem got what was coming to him, the interviewer then asked, “You wanna’ shot at Mayhem?” Nick says, “No, fuck that motherfucker.”
,After the fight when Mayhem was interviewed he said, “Man, I just wanted to ask for my rematch you know, I feel bad that the whole thing went down like that”. Later on he actually compliments Shields and has nothing but good things to say about him, a man he blasted with insults after his loss to him. Mayhem continues to be apologetic over an issue that resulted in him getting wailed on by, at times, more than four people.
Fandom or non-fandom aside:
Now, is someone still going to argue that Mayhem is at fault here? He never touched Shields so that throws any little inking of Nick’s reasoning out the window. Sure, he wasn’t “invited” to the ring, but all he did was ask for a rematch. He had no ulterior motive other than to put Shields on the spot and hype a rematch and he never once showed any sign of aggression whatsoever and neither did Shields until Gil saw an opportunity to shove Miller and that was all that was needed for Nick and Nate to get violent.
by jcbrewer on Apr 18, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
thats the way i saw it too
people saying that miller “had it coming” are way off base on this
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Mostly agreed
For the most part I agree but I think you have some people mixed up. I see it exactly the same up until Shields is pulled out of the way. If you watch the video again, when you see Shields dragged out Gilbert is seen standing with the belt over his shoulder in the back ground. Then the camera cuts to a view from above where see some big guy in a white shirt holding miller in a guillotine like position with Nick on his back throw body punches will you see Nate (skinny bald guy) circle trying to throw head shots. Once the grappling and movement slows down you can really see Nick punching the body and then you see Nate start soccer kicking to the chest/head region. Then some one steps in front of Nate and another person tackles Nick off Miller’s back once Nick lands on the mat you see him try to kick miller from his back and another unknown white shirted guy gets in the last punch in millers right side that is how I see. I agree Nick and Nate at least should see heavy suspension for this.
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