The Wolf in Sheep's Clothing: What's Going on With the "Aldo vs. Faber" Pay-Per-View?
On April 24th, Jose Aldo and Urijah Faber will fight for the WEC featherweight title in a WEC cage on a WEC event. So why is Zuffa doing everything in their power to ignore the WEC brand?
Let's start with the poster at right. The "UFC Presents..." adds credibility to the event, though it may come off as pretentious to some. Go back and check the last handful of UFC posters. Did you notice a pattern? The first thing you notice in each poster (and I went back to 108) is the UFC logo. The poster is designed with the logo as the focus. The "Aldo vs. Faber" poster, while adorned with the WEC stamp, gives equal attention to the marquee fighters' names.
It's a tenuous bit of evidence, but an interesting one.
But let's add that to some other bits of interesting news. Reed Harris will not be the promoter for this event. That duty will belong to Dana White. Joe Rogan than announced that he and Mike Goldberg will call the fight in place of Todd Harris and Frank Mir/Stephan Bonnar.
It doesn't end there. Neither "WEC" nor "World Extreme Cagefighting" appear in this press release announcing prelims being shown live on Spike before the pay-per-view. The most damning evidence? Check out this ad that's an extended version of what's been shown on Versus during the NHL playoffs:
The WEC name appears in this ad...in the copyright line buried at the bottom of the screen in the final moments of the ad.
This all seems like a rather odd strategy if Zuffa is serious about keeping the WEC around as a legitimate entity. It's understandable that the company would want to put the "UFC Presents..." training wheels on the poster, but why has the WEC brand been scrubbed from nearly every other marketing outlet?
Zuffa might be worried about consumer confusion with a WEC promoted pay-per-view. But if that's the case, why go through with a WEC pay-per-view in the first place? Especially when you've stripped the show of almost everything that would lead one to believe the WEC is in charge.
The public already views the WEC as the UFC's minor league. Read an interview with a WEC star and you'll see some answer about family, friends, and fans asking them, "Is that like the UFC?" There's a very obvious solution on the table. Assimilate the top WEC talent into the UFC rotation, reinstate the entire scope of weight classes in the WEC, and use the WEC as a place to stick rising talent and aging veterans.
Guys like Jose Aldo and Urijah Faber could be big stars in this sport, but they'll never reach their potential behind the WEC name.
UPDATE by Anton Tabuena - Bruce Buffer confirms on twitter that he will also be announcing for WEC 48:
I will be attending the Aldo vs. Faber fight show at Arco Arena next week... Will be an awesome night of action n excitement! ...I will be announcing the show... Looking forward to roaring for Faber vs. Aldo!
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same thing i was thinking…
is it bad?
is it good?
or just a mere observation?
good points but seems a little critical without a reason to validate the criticism.
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I took it as an observation with the intention to start a dialogue.
by Applejack McNeil on Apr 16, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is neither good nor bad...
It is simply a strategy being used in uncharted territory.
They are bringing out the big guns and hoping to draw a wfew more eyes, if they are successful and they push the WEC brand throughout the broadcast I think that it a win.
Thank you, Mike, for reminding me why I come to BE.
I’m not sure if this has been the long-term plan all along or if Zuffa just realized, “Oh shit, we’ve got a PPV in April that no one is gonna buy!”
Really, I would do the HARD SELL that WEC guys always go all-out and never fail to entertain to take advantage and quite possibly quell the dissatisfaction stemming from 112.
For my part, I’m telling everyone and their mom about the PPV next week. I love WEC with a passion.
by Applejack McNeil on Apr 16, 2010 12:50 AM EDT reply actions
I’m not happy I have to miss this PPV – it will be awesome. I want Aldo, Hendo, and MTB to win.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 16, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions
Do not BUY IT!
Find out where locally it is being shown at a bar or such…TAKE A STAND!
A stand… against what?
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
by Sam Cupitt on Apr 16, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
zuffa.
they’re evil.. didn’t you get the memo? god sam. keep up.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I do try Anton, but this whole Liddell/Franklin thing has me questioning everything now.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
take a pill.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
by Loot on Apr 16, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What are you taking a stand against?
What is there to take a stand against? The wec going to ppv is great for the fighters and the fans. PPV shows bring in more money so the fighters can make more money. With more money out there more people will be motivated to train and then we get better fighters in the future.
Most WEC cards are way more exciting than the recent ufc cards. The fighters normally go all out and put on some crazy fights. If you go to a bar you are still supporting the WEC just as much as if you bought the ppv so your plan to take a stand isn’t well thought out.
by Darren Watkins on Apr 16, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I wasn’t going to buy it until now. WEC has better production than Strikeforce, Bellator, etc., but I still never thought their production was PPV worthy. The events just felt “small,” even with great talent and exciting fights.
However, now that I know it’s going to have UFC production from top to bottom, I feel like I can justify it. Rogan, Goldie, Bruce Buffer, no commercials, great fights… worth my money. I never buy a card with Mir/Bonnar and that other guy commentating or Joe Martinez announcing. For some that might seem silly, but to me that’s a huge difference in my entertainment.
I like Joe Martinez
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I think I’ve come to like Bruce Buffer for the same reason I used to dislike him. He doesn’t have that uberfuid, golden tone sound that Martinez, Lennon Jr, and a lot of announcers have. He’s a little rough around the edges. Gets me more excited when he announces, because I know he’s really into it.
there is no WEC brand power
why build it when they already have the most powerful one in mma with the UFC
just merge the damn promotions already
by milk72 on Apr 16, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Why not go all the way?
FABER vs ALDO!! Only On pay per view!! Courtesy of the something something C!!! Something something dark side, something something.
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by BloodbathAndBeyond on Apr 16, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Kinda like how CBS promotes “Saturday Night Fights”, as opposed to Strikeforce.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
This, I get why,
but on CBS, I think SF is getting crapped on by doing that… It’s like CBS has a fail safe in case SF folds, and they can just get another promotion and label it the same.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
They’ve already done it once with EliteXC.
by Applejack McNeil on Apr 16, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually the promotion has changed a lot for this fight from the last one and Strikeforce is by far the prominent name this time around.
Well, that’s good. Even after the Fedor fights, I would wager that 4 out of 5 casuals could name Strikeforce if asked.
by Applejack McNeil on Apr 16, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really think either practice is wrong.
In fairness to CBS the two promotions they’ve linked up with have been called EliteXC and Strikeforce. If I didn’t know MMA, I’d just be confused as all fuck.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
They could've used it more,
like STRIKEFORCE and CBS present! Saturday Night Fights! or whatever they could do, to use the SF brand more… that’sall I’m saying. I also don’t have a ‘problem’ with it perse, I just think SF is getting the short end of the stick.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Short end of a 25cm pole if you will.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
i keep hoping this ppv is just to gauge the kinds of ratings they can pull...
…so they can assess whether or not to follow through with a merger, rather than something they truly intend to do on a regular basis. the lack of wec branding your mentioned seems to support that idea. let’s hope so anyway.
granted, they did stack this card, but i don’t know that they can do that every time… or their versus cards will suffer (see supposed wec 49 headliner: varner/shalorus).
It's like Dana hooked up with BE and never called.
BE is looking at any little thing to jump on Zuffa. UFC and WEC are both Zuffa products. Zuffa will put it’s marketing power behind WEC 48. UFC is the biggest and strongest brand in MMA. Putting on these PPV’s cost millions…. Zuffa should do everything it can to make money.
by snakecharmer1340 on Apr 16, 2010 1:37 AM EDT reply actions
I didn't see this as a criticism, but an observation...
with a line in the end saying “do merge with the UFC, thanks.”…. but I guess when you’re angry, you’re angry right?
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Personally, I wish they’d ditch the god damned blue ring. That thing just looks weird to me. I don’t know why. Just stick to a neutral color, k guys?
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by BloodbathAndBeyond on Apr 16, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Someone needs to jump on the white cage thing and make it permanent, it was pretty cool in my opinion.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 16, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
At least they are trying something to give the WEC PPV a chance. I still think it was major screw up to have the event in Sacramento. If they wanted PPV buys than put the event outside Northern California so those people would buy the PPV instead of tickets. I think it’s easy to sell tickets in an unestablished market.
Faber is the WEC's biggest draw, and he sells out the Arco,
I doubt they can get that much ticket sales on another venue.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it is certainly interesting how many buys this will get now. Thoughts anyone?
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
350k tops, and thats the bizarro world number where many fans were thrilled with UFC 112, and want to order more PPV’s.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Apr 16, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
From an article I did back when it looked like SF/WEC were going to go head to head (but the point still stands):
The main realization that most MMA fans need to come to is that the success threshold for a WEC event is much lower than a UFC card. Judging by the price point of $44.95, 50,000 buys would bring in $2,247,500. Assuming roughly 60% takeout by cable/satilite companies/other sources there would be a leftover take-in of $899,000. The total disclosed fighter payout for WEC 46 was $272,000. Now we can assume somewhere around a 50% increase in the payouts based on the rumored card being much more stacked top-to-bottom than the average WEC event. That brings the total payout of $408,000. $899,000 – $408,000 = $491,000. This doesn’t take in ticket sales, building rental, production costs…etc. But it would seem they would have to lose close to half a million dollars in these other areas for the event to be a “loss” should they manage to do 50k in PPV buys.
Dave Meltzer agrees with this idea:
They were going to budget the show to where they would come out okay with 50,000 to 60,000 buys (that was the level they were hoping for, less than 50K and they weren’t going to be happy, at 75K they’d be doing cartwheels).
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by Brent Brookhouse on Apr 16, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Are they going to give UFC level esque bonuses?
I’d hope so because… they deserve it and it’d only be fair.
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those bonuses would be bigger than most of their salaries.
haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
A whole lotta stand and banging going on…
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
So bigger than most of their salaries.
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by Matthew Roth on Apr 16, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You could look at it one of two ways:
-that it’s counterintuitive to mask the WEC card as a UFC product given that Zuffa is looking to see the WEC succeed on its own.
or…
- that Zuffa is looking to see the WEC succeed on its own, therefore, introducing the WEC with the UFC’s presence allows the PPV to better succeed.
Zuffa might be worried about consumer confusion with a WEC promoted pay-per-view. But if that’s the case, why go through with a WEC pay-per-view in the first place?
The answer to this question is painfully simple: PPV can bring in more revenue, and giving the WEC a little UFC flair maximizes the chances of this event being “successful”. I actually like the fact that Rogan and Goldberg will be doing commentary (if for none other than the fact that Bonnar is terrible). Or perhaps this is the type of experiment that will allow them to decide whether or not to merge the WEC, or keep it a separate entity indefinitely?
I realize Bloody Elbow needs to fill it’s ‘glass half empty’ quota on all Zuffa related news items, but there’s nothing sinister going on: just looks like Zuffa showing the virgin on prom night how to put a condom on a banana before sending her off to the big dance.
Here's a thought
The UFC has no plans to merge with the WEC but do want them to survive with payperview events as long as those events don’t bite into UFC’s buyrate. Since the UFC market seems to be able to bear only 12 ppv shows a year without suffering some loss it would serve Zuffa’s interest to have some way to put on ppv shows that don’t over-saturate market and water down the UFC brand. Hmm,… Maybe shows with a different logo, with fights in weight-classes unavailable in the UFC, and with lower overhead so they could be extremely profitable selling only to 100,000-200,000 very hardcore fans?
I don’t think it’s an over-saturation of brand but that most people are only going to buy shows with big names that are promoted properly. If Faber was the UFC featherweight champion and not the WEC featherweight champion, I don’t see why he would be a huge draw in PPVs for UFC, same with Torres when he was dominating. Aldo could be there too.
Also just think if the UFC had those two other divisions that they could use to headline shows. It would greatly reduce the chances of another clusterfuck like the last several shows last years.
Really Zuffa is hurting themselves and the WEC fighters by not merging the lower divisions and its top fighters.
it's either this
or they think people have positive feelings about the names aldo and faber and perhaps don’t have as positive or even negative feelings about the wec brand. if you’re looking at this as a new start for wec then you want to play up your fights, not people’s perceptions of the old wec.
I think they are using the UFC brand to get people through the door, and get as many eyeballs on the product as possible and then hope that the product sells itself at that point.
What is Aldo decides to go all Anderson Silva?
Bring in new fans, just so you can piss on them… That’s what I say.
Forget lying about Tito fighting Chuck, not signing Fedor, sending Liddel to Pride, or yelling at reporters, Dana White’s biggest mistake was not immediately merging the feather and bantamweights into the UFC as soon as they purchased the WEC. If Faber could have had all 6 of his title defenses in the UFC he would have been bigger than BJ. With his looks, style, and image he could have possibly been a new GSP.
by John Nash on Apr 16, 2010 4:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 13 recs
absolutely agree
Sorta feel bad for Faber cause he’ll never win the title with someone like Aldo around.
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by timetosaygoodbye on Apr 16, 2010 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Never thought about that. Youre right on the money. Im sure Torres would also be huge too.
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 16, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You're really bad at being an anti-UFC shill
But I still rec’d the hell outta this because you speak the truth. Keep on keeping on man.
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by Matthew Roth on Apr 16, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
WEC is synonomous with free broadcasts from small venues on VS. In other words the letters WEC is not associated with a PPV purchase or being worth 50 bucks. They have to change the focus away from the promotion.
I think they figure that they will only do this once or twice a year so there is no real need to bring those guys to the UFC. My sense is that leaving the situation as is will result in more higher quality fights for FREE rather than them being absorbed by the UFC.
Free high quality fights on live TV is my cheif MMA interest. I know all you rich guys out there want all of the best fighters in the UFC so they can have 20 great PPV’s a year. You ballers dont mind the extra $$$ bill, but what about people like me who are to broke to buy a wart off of a cucumber? Just messin, but I think we should cherish free AND STRIKEFORCE! (i know, Bellator too, but they haven’t blown me away yet this season)
Some people say that cucumbers taste better pickled!
The other side of that coin is that the fighters under the WEC banner get paid far less despite being ostensibly under the same ownership.
The fact that people still can’t grasp why that would be a foolish idea and isn’t happening drives me crazy. Have people not seen all the fighters the UFC has released these past few months, the company already has too much talent trying to add 2 more divisions would be insane and dilute their product. The WEC is fine how it is as the premier home for lighter weight fighters, the put on the best shows pound for pound and you get most of them free. But someway somehow people will find a reason to bitch about how little they are paid then turn around and say they won’t order the ppv I hate mma fans sometimes.
the only fighters who would get cut are the mid to lower of the WEC's LW pool...
the rest of the BW and FW will stay as it is since they’re new (and empty) divisions.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2010 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions
the issue wouldn't be how many cards they put (cause WEC also does several cards a year)
the major issue I think is WHERE they put those cards… dealing with Versus might be the biggest issue, but hopefully it might get easier and they could just change it to “UFC on Versus”.
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2010 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Versus would be more than happy to do 8-12 UFC events a year instead 2 UFC events and 6-8 WEC events a year.
i don’t think ufc would be allowed to do that many shows on versus due to their deal with spike. i know it allows for a certain number of shows on another premium cable network, but i’m not sure of the number. i’m gonna say 4 but someone correct me if i’m wrong. either way it is limited, and definitely less than 8
by kanginator10 on Apr 16, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
1) I have not heard this, so it’d be really interesting to see a citation or find out where you got this info. I wouldn’t have guessed that that sort of info would be public, although I guess it’s possible. I suppose there’s about a 25% chance Dave Meltzer might tell me what’s up with this if I asked him, but I don’t want to abuse the privilege of him actually returning my emails a few times a year over something he may not know the answer to.
2) Versus and Spike are both basic cable, not premium cable. Premium cable is like HBO.
That being said if it’s true that the UFC’s Spike TV deal has a set limit on the number of free shows that the UFC can do on other cable networks (or other networks period), that’s really interesting info.
fighters getting cut
Wouldn’t be hassle with the UFC. They could all go to the WEC, with all the weight classes restored. This keeps the purity and high value of the UFC, whilst giving the not-quite-UFC level fighters a place to go, and keep them out of Strikeforce, Dream, etc.
A good deal all around. Let’s hope it works out that way.
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This would not be a problem if Zuffa kept doing the same number of events each year, just all of them under the UFC label. Yeah there’s an overlap in the LW division, but I suspect some UFC LWs would drop down to FW and they’d have to cut less than 10 LWs and FWs total, and that’s it. Doing the same number of events means they’d still have roughly the same number of employees on any given card, so they’d actually be adding a few guys in other divisions to make up for whoever was cut.
The upside: fans would get more free shows. UFC shows would be more exciting from the WEC fighters. Fighters in the lower weight classes would get more money, not just from bigger contracts but also more sponsorship money from the extra exposure.
...
They know that nobody will buy this event. That’s why they are doing anything they can to save the idea to do future WEC PPV.
I’m not buying it.
Hell, I’m not even going to the bar to watch it for free!
Sux for you.
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 16, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
So you are not a fan of mma? What good does not watching this card have? It is by far going to be better than the last couple of ufc ppv’s.
by Darren Watkins on Apr 16, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
So, Buffer, Goldie, Rogan, Dana… I bet hey use the UFCs octagon too. What about my wife Brittany Palmer? She better be there! Maybe Arriany gonna work it too.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
The fact that Brittany Palmer is a WEC girl
and Chandella Powell is a UFC ring girl is the biggest travesty of the decade.
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by Matthew Roth on Apr 16, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
couldn’t agree with this more. Palmer in my eyes is better than all the ring girls, yes better than Arianny .
by pr0cs on Apr 16, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hell to the yes.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Apr 16, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, they should merge with the UFC
cause the top pfp ring girls need the exposure they deserve. ;)
by Anton Tabuena on Apr 16, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Staring:
Arianny, Brittany, Natasha, and Logan in a pillow fight cage match.
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by Matthew Roth on Apr 16, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re not so hot on subtlety. I like it.
by castleeb on Apr 16, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Why be subtle when you can not be subtle
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by Matthew Roth on Apr 16, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
If this isn’t evidence that the WEC brand needs to be rolled into the UFC permanently then nothing is. As much as I like Martinez (I do think he’s a better announcer than Buffer) and I like the WEC product if they truly want to make the lighter weight divisions more popular they need to lose the WEC name and roll them into the UFC.
Or.. make the WEC the feeder org everyone thought it would be and roll the LW/FW/BW into the UFC. If they would have done this earlier they would have had less issues late last year, early this year coming up with compelling main events since you had 3 more weight classes to draw from.
I’m a huge WEC fan but it really doesn’t make any sense to keep the little guys off the UFC name, for money, exposure, for limelight they deserve.
Im not a Buffer fan at all. Jimmy Lennon Jr and his brother put him to shame. Doesnt he know he freaks out the casual fans?
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 16, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Joe Martinez > Bruce Buffer
Yea, I said it. Big whoop wanna fight about it? And seriously, how can you he be that bad when he’s related to….
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by Damon O. on Apr 16, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Just for the way Joe says Jose Aldo...JUNIOR!!!!!!!
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Lol
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by xFenixKnightx on Apr 16, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve met Buffer before, he’s a really nice guy and really passionate about his job and the sport but he really struggles with ethnic names. To me this is a pretty big issue considering the UFC wants to be ‘global’ and all.
In the end I don’t mind either way who the announcer is, anything is better than the screaming lady but to me it’s a travesty that the best fighters in the world are not on the UFC roster and have the UFC marketing and money behind them.
(I’m also slightly pissed that the first Canadian WEC event moved from Calgary to Crapmonton, what a disaster)
That poster
Looks like one that a local boxing promoter nails to telephone poles
by KING FEDOR on Apr 16, 2010 9:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It is definitely easier to promote the show this when than if it was just a WEC card.
For one thing, they might need to do it this way so they get the same percentage from the cable companies that they do from UFC cards. This is pure speculation on my part, but it sort of makes sense.
The other thing, I think everyone is missing the point on why they are doing this card. It’s not a bout a test, it’s not even rally about greed. All signs point to the WEC being a little profit making machine. The point of this PPV is to make money for Faber and Aldo (particularly Faber). There is no way Faber signed a 7 fight contract extension at the end of last year for WEC on VS. money.
This does not need to make as much money as a UFC PPV to be successful, this does not need to do as many PPV buys as Affliction needed to do (or actually did) to be successful. To be a success, this needs to bring in more money than a card on Vs. does, and how high can that number really be?
WEC Future
STEP 1: See article above
STEP 2: Give Frankie Edgar the LW belt. Build some publicity around him and have him lose to BJ in a rematch
STEP 3: Move Frankie down to the weight class he should be in. Instant contender for the winner of Aldo/Faber.
STEP 4: Merge the brands to support Zuffa’s oversaturation of MMA
by BrothaDarkness on Apr 16, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
After reading
have him lose to BJ in a rematch
I’ll pretty much agree with anything you have to say after that.
WEC what is it
The WEC yes it is like a miner leage to the ufc but it plays it part it on tv ones a week promotes UFC and WEC events you watch it hoping the UFC is going to be better so you buy the ufc pay per vw it is a tool that does a great jop for up and coming fighters and those fighter that cant cut it in the ufc no disrespect kind of f#$% up how they did the ad and did not even say WEC in it. but that just big brother taking all the credit
The Reason Why
While I didn’t read every comment above so this may sounds repetitive, the main reason the UFC/Zuffa is trying their best to keep the WEC around is so they don’t over-saturate the market with UFC events (which they are coming close to doing). By keeping the UFC and WEC separate they can continue to hold events without people getting tried of a new UFC event every weekend (and having to constantly throw down $50). At the moment, only hardcore fans watch the WEC (which is awesome… love the little guys) and by promoting it as “The UFC Presents” it is going to get the casual fan interested especially when you consider Dana White is going to be promoting it and throw in well known announcers like Rogan and Goldberg (and Buffer). If this event is a hit, you will slowly start to see the UFC separate itself from the WEC when it comes to promoting WEC PPV events. Once they have that separation between the brands, they can start holding more WEC events (free and on PPV) on weekends where the UFC doesn’t have anything going on. The reality of the situation is, Zuffa probably could have an MMA event almost every weekend if they build up the WEC correctly (which they are) and not over-saturate the market with the UFC brand. While it may hurt some of the current fighters on the WEC roster financially and in terms of their marketability, it is going to be better for the fighters on the WEC roster down the line when the brand it finally built up. Short-term it would be better for everyone if the brands merged, but long-term it would be a lot better if they stayed as two separate successful promotions
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I dont get what the problem is?
I mean what the UFC cant try and help sell this event?
I mean you already have people saying they wont pay for this cause its WEC and is normally free or that Zuffa doesnt need more money.
They barely do 500k viewers on Versus, the WEC brand isnt big.
You have the best WEC card probably ever, its stacked, the best FW title fight, and probably best LW title rematch, a ton of other great fighters and fights, and yet if they just did it like WEC normally does it, nobody would know or care.
Atleast having Mike/Joe do the event it gives it that familiar feel, they are the best team, doing the prelims on Spike rather than Versus assures more people would watch then if they did it on Versus, that Dana is way more known and popular and him promoting the event goes along way more than Harris does.
Now this will only be for the PPV I assume, they will go back to doing shit on Versus etc, back to Bonnar etc broadcasting, though would anyone mind if Joe/Mike took over full time duty for broadcasting? I wouldnt.
But this is only to help sell the event.
I dont see why that is wrong.
Funny thing is, had they not done this, this article would have been how Zuffa doesnt care about WEC, how Dana wont even give his time to help promote them, how WEC really is Zuffa little bitch that they feed table scraps, how they wont even do anything to help them.
Thats exactly what the article woudl be and everyone who comes to this site knows this is 100 percent true. It would be a rip Dana article, well that wouldnt be anything new, 95 percent of UFC articles on here rip Dana in some way. But had they not done this to try and sell the event, they would have been dissed for not doing anything, not caring or helping the WEC, for not offering to use the mighty UFC brand to help this event.
Good. Bring the lighter classes in, wait another year or two and then add cruiserweight, and call it done. 8 classes, 8 champions, for a sport contested in an Octagon. A title fight in every UFC PPV. Come on Zuffa, it’s inevitable.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 16, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
C'mon, Zuffa, why you gotta play us like this? Just give us what we want: Absorb the WEC into the UFC.
Fighters have a very short window of opportunity to become mega stars. Guys like Faber and Aldo should be making big money on the big stage. Merging the WEC into the UFC will bring more title fights and huge talent. Enough of the cockteasing already. Give us the goods.
I don't want to lick any butt. - GSP
Yeah it would be great, but they cant do it.
Not with the amount of fights they do now.
They end up signing a few guys and cutting guys all the time, cause they have to keep a certain amount of fighters.
You think they could add 7 more good LW and then an entire BW and FW div?
Sure if they cut the bottom level guys in each other div, and only keep the top and good fighters, then you could add two more div, and yeah two more title fights, cards would have a title fight every time, sometimes two title fights, cards would be stacked, undercards stacked etc.
But they dont have enough events to absorb WEC, the WEC is doing 8 events itself, can the UFC do 8 more events a year?
It would be great, guys like Faber, Aldo, Torres, Bowles, Cowboy, Ben, they would be big fighters, Aldo could be a superstar.
Aldo could be bigger than Machida and Silva, he finishes everyone, is a good respectful kid, dominates fighters. He is like Anderson/Machida merged into one.
he finishes fights and does crazy shit like Anderson, and is respectful and carries himself like Machida.
He could be a star if UFC had FW div.
But they dont have enough events to absorb WEC, the WEC is doing 8 events itself, can the UFC do 8 more events a year?
If they can find a network to air them, I don’t see why this should be a problem. The only obstacles here are their contracts with Versus and Spike, and what the specific wording is. I don’t think Versus would care if they were airing UFC shows in place of WEC shows, but it’s possible that Zuffa’s contract with Spike might limit how much they can do that. Considering how much programming the UFC provides Spike TV though (really it’s the backbone of their network), I would think they would give in and accommodate them somewhat here.

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