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The Luke Thomas Hate Thread

Ha! Got you fuckers with the title, didn’t I? *High fives Kid Nate

I’m moonlighting here for a bit because even though the site I write for, Kelvin Hunt’s freaking fantastic MMAForReal.com, is a baller website we don’t see nearly as much controversy as Bloody Elbow. I’m familiar with the turf here and I’m more than willing to piss in your Cheerios because it ain’t my website.

Yesterday Luke Thomas posted his thoughts on Dana White blatantly lying to the media about Rich Franklin replacing Tito Ortiz on The Ultimate Fighter. I whole-heartedly agree with Luke when he says such action “…undermines and erodes the foundation of honesty that guides the relationship between media and organization.”

A lot of people commented on that post asking, why care? I’ll tell you why I care. Being lied to sucks in general, but as a journalist it undercuts your ability to do your job. Let me share an anecdote.

Three years ago I got a paid internship with a medium-sized newspaper. This wasn’t me filing papers and making coffee; I covered stories alongside AP and CNN reporters, had front page lead stories, and even interviewed the Reverend Joseph Lowry, the Civil Rights leader who you might remember as the “Let yellow be mellow” guy who gave the benediction at President Obama’s inauguration. I didn’t fuck around.

One day I get a note about the annual Republican fundraiser for the year held by the County Board of Republicans. I sent an email to the chairman to get some info that I could run in a community brief. About two weeks out from the fundraiser he emails me back, saying our governor, Sonny Perdue, would be speaking at the fundraiser. This is a big story for the county and would merit more than just a community brief, so I set aside an entire day to stand in sweltering heat with wealthy old people talking bullshit politics. Guess what? The governor was never going to be there and everyone who received the invitations to the event (sent to registered Republicans two days after the chairman emailed me) never had reason to believe he would. I was used in order to up the press coverage of the event.

Should I have checked with the governor’s office? Of course, but I was 17 and naïve. It fucking sucks being lied to when your job, your job, is to tell the truth. After that situation I became the Keith Olbermann of Walton County with my Op-Eds over the next three months; it was the only retaliation I had.

Dana White feels he can use this media however he wants to because they desperately need him more than he needs them. And that’s true to a certain extent. But what happens if MMA gets to the point when a title fight is the lead story on SportsCenter? That shit won’t fly. And if he tries it, you can be damn sure ESPN will back up their reporters just like when Tom Rinaldi gets the scoop on a locker room brawl. It will hurt MMA, because the UFC is MMA and Dana White has positioned himself as the UFC. Other sports leagues are not comparable because the UFC is not a league of separate entities with a commissioner. The UFC is a company with a very public face—Dana White.

And as fans, why are you not outraged? I’ve heard the argument, “I just want to watch fights… I don’t really care about what happens behind the scenes.” All I can say is I bet your feet feel really good in those sneakers made by a four-year-old in a Thailand sweatshop.

For a guy who supposedly puts most of his stock into fan opinion, he sure does shit on that investment when he says, “The people who felt they’ve been lied to, get over it.” Sure, he likely wanted this pointed most toward the media, but at this point the MMA media is primarily fans, probably some of the first fans of the sport and some of the most dedicated. But he also lied directly to the legions that are pigs at his trough over his personal Twitter account. You may not care now, but you sure as hell will when he realizes he can keep lying and you’ll keep eating from his hand.

It’s obvious Dana White didn’t go to Wharton School of Business. That’s primarily the reason so many people relate to him and adore him; he’s one of us, but an authority figure in a business we love. Tact, however, is surely something that he never learned in any manner of education. When a simple “No comment”, or from him “What the fuck does Sherdog know?” can suffice, there’s no need to manufacture a narrative.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The same fans that are so endeared to Dana White now will be severely burned once they realize never questioning his unsavory tactics has created an absolute monster of the Vincent Kennedy McMahon sort.

And yeah, the McMahon reference is here just to piss people off.

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Justice is the whim of a judge, check his chest density
It leaves much room for error, and the rest left to destiny.

by DamnSevern on Apr 15, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tottenham looked good against the Gunners yesterday, eh?

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 15, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm totally nervous we're going to get blown out this Saturday

I’m hoping for a win and Spurs to hold Chelsea if not beat them. That goal from Rose was special.

If we can beat City I think we’ve got a shot.

The Seahawks have traded my signature to the Detroit Lions for a 6th round draft pick.

by SSreporters on Apr 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Chelsea has to go to White Hart Lane, and I think we’re the only team that’s won there all year. City doesn’t scare me that much, and we know what’s at stake going in.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 15, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Wolves and Stoke went there and won

But that’s it.

Beating Spurs is doable as is Sunderland. I think we absolutely need to be at least tied on points heading into the final week.

The Seahawks have traded my signature to the Detroit Lions for a 6th round draft pick.

by SSreporters on Apr 15, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best season in a while, this one! For Serie A too.

by ununkvadrium on Apr 15, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should probably just stop talking about the Gunners and Spurs… Newcastle United has been PROMOTED! It’s over…. trophies will now pour into the case… with the exception of the UEFA cup, in which INTER MILAN WILL PREVAIL!

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by Leland Roling on Apr 15, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What happens when Newcastle fans go to Middlesbrough? Awesome signs.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 15, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No trophy for you!

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 15, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have no fear, Bendtner is here to be...clumsy.

The Seahawks have traded my signature to the Detroit Lions for a 6th round draft pick.

by SSreporters on Apr 15, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bendtner was terrible

they should’ve gotten van Persie in sooner. just his presence livened things up

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 15, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. I only wear sneakers made in China. Everyone knows that political prisoners make much better shoes than starving children.

2. We don’t know for sure when Ortiz got knocked out of the show and the fight. I’d also assume Spike has a say on when the info gets released.

3. Much like who makes my shoes, I really don’t care that they said that fight was going to happen, and then they changed the fight a few months in advance of the show. That’s plenty of time for me to unbunch my panties and take the sand out of my vajayjay.

by McEwen on Apr 15, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

“And as fans, why are you not outraged? …. All I can say is I bet your feet feel really good in those sneakers made by a four-year-old in a Thailand sweatshop”

Justice is the whim of a judge, check his chest density
It leaves much room for error, and the rest left to destiny.

by DamnSevern on Apr 15, 2010 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 15, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow my man. u overdid yourself. wonderful.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Apr 15, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

My avatar supports this video.

by darkside3744 on Apr 15, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to rec this, but please…use it sparingly.

by Kwisatz Haderach on Apr 15, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alien > Aliens

Deadliest Warrior Returns April 20!!!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 16, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Used that one last year a few times.

Fuck with Brent or Nate and you get Riot Police’d

Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade

by Damon O. on Apr 15, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan

by KingAtRock on Apr 15, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cute with the title. I thought we were going to have a club or something :(
Nice to see you agree with what I’m about to say…misleading and lying to people can have it’s place…

Still doesn’t change the point that the people mad about being lied to were the same people that thought Dana wasn’t being kosher to begin with on the subject.

Obviously I wouldn’t want Dana to just outright start lying about everything. But under the circumstances, I can see why he did. (And considering everybody lies about something at some point, I would think we could all at least see that) It’s his credibility in the end and something that if repeated in situations we cannot understand may not hold up again.

Good article though.

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by JeremyShane on Apr 15, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks man. I agree, this didn’t piss me off or anything, but imagine if you’re Helwani or Meltzer, how stuff like this will make you feel and what it will do to your credibility over the long term. I guess that’s mainly what I was getting at.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 15, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, well it obviously pissed off some of the guys here at BE

whether I agree with them getting mad or not; it’s nice to see the journalists here so passionate about getting the truth

"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey

by JeremyShane on Apr 15, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meltzer should already be a little cautious considering the fact that Dana texted him that they were planning an April 17th show then said they never planned to do so, and someone in Zuffa fed him false info concerning the UFC’s offer to Fedor.

by John Nash on Apr 15, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 15, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Post by the way

Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade

by Damon O. on Apr 15, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey man, good post ! Lies beget more lies like absolute power absolutely corrupts. If journalists and fans don’t call him on them they just become more extravagant and belittling. I think where mma journalists lack is having the leverage that a big corporation like ESPN would have if they covered MMA like B.E.

The UFC is on a higher plain than the devoted websites that cover it. There above the law so to speak. So when sherdog or BE or whoever brings up a valid question or criticism about the UFC, Dana can just sweep it away with a one line zinger that is a short cut to thinking when the question has a validity to it that really should be addressed.

Need more articles like Lukes and this one. Good job.

by god-damn long hair on Apr 15, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to thread jack, but since the alternative for the poor Thai kid is probably prostitution or starvation (or at least something the worker thinks is worse than working at the shop, since he chose to work there), not heading off to Swedish boarding school or a vacation at Palm Beach or something, I do feel ok wearing shoes made by him. I think the sweatshop worker would be very confused and annoyed to find out that people who ostensibly are on his side think the way to help him is to take his job. The only advantage that kid has got is that he works cheap; if you up his pay to amounts acceptable to well off Americans, the factories will go somewhere else and he’ll be screwed.

That’s just me though, thinking things through n stuff.

"an excellent example of why most MMA "journalism" is a joke. Pseudonyms like "toxic" and shitty writing like that dopey article"--- Joe Rogan.

by toxic on Apr 15, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Understood. I was just using th stereotype to get my point across. Stuff like that is always buried underground and never really thought about.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 15, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

win

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 15, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dana should not have lied. He definitely had some better options that would have been much better. The outrage just seemed a bit much for this particular transgression given the circumstances in my opinion. However I am glad that the MMA writers care so much about keeping everyone in check because that bodes well for the future of the sport.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Apr 15, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I might be more upset about the “lie” if it wasn’t for the fact that it was such a blatant lie to start with. Good grief everyone already knew Tito was out of the fight and we even knew who was coming in to replace him. I mean good grief the only story here was that anyone at all actually bought into Dana’s statements on this.

by who me on Apr 15, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good grief I used good grief too many times in that post.

by who me on Apr 15, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luke Thomas and Kid Nate are BFFs dammit

Luke high fived Nate after every one of the despicable things he did (which we read about in another of your fanposts).

Seriously though, nice article. Kinda sad you went to Mania, as this is my main stop and I’m not in the habit of going there. Plus the posters there have keyboard cooties.

I'm the best ever. You're the most average in a minute.
And NEW UFC Welterweight Runnerup of the World.....Dan "The Outlaw" Hardy!

by slapjaw ackrite on Apr 15, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

My bad, MMA4Real? Don’t think I’ve been there much, need to go check it out I guess.

I'm the best ever. You're the most average in a minute.
And NEW UFC Welterweight Runnerup of the World.....Dan "The Outlaw" Hardy!

by slapjaw ackrite on Apr 15, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article and yes your gypsy magic has worked and I will be checking out this mma4real. Quick question has anyone looked into instances where the media ‘lied’ regarding the UFC, Dana White, etc.?

by Bob Boblaw on Apr 15, 2010 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh yeah

That 4 year old should stop sewing those fucking Nikes put on a red shirt and rage against the, uh temple? Peacefully of course.

by Bob Boblaw on Apr 15, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw your attempt at tugging my heartstrings RDS
And as fans, why are you not outraged? I’ve heard the argument, "I just want to watch fights… I don’t really care about what happens behind the scenes." All I can say is I bet your feet feel really good in those sneakers made by a four-year-old in a Thailand sweatshop.

And what if they DO feel really good, huh?! You wanna make something of it, huh?! Like I give a shit, HUH? (Oh wait, that’s probably why other countries hate America… whoops. Unfortunately, I don’t feel sorry enough to even fake an apology…)

(Seriously, MMAForReal is my other “go-to” site.)

by Chortles on Apr 15, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like how whatever you write about you somehow make your own life relevant to the situation. Typical writer’s ego. By the way, I’m the greatest.

"In Soviet Russia, Hell goes to you!"

by actionbastard on Apr 15, 2010 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'll Rec anything Crayon Shin-Chan related.

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@deowade

by Damon O. on Apr 15, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks that pic was just for you

By the way, are they doing a season 3? Have you heard?

"In Soviet Russia, Hell goes to you!"

by actionbastard on Apr 16, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Adult Swim no longer has the rights

So no more Shin-Chan.

Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade

by Damon O. on Apr 16, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT?!

"In Soviet Russia, Hell goes to you!"

by actionbastard on Apr 16, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely, definitely have the writer's ego

i also have the magick stick

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 16, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good article

A little more balanced than some of the main page fare.

A few points on my feelings about this:

I’ve worked in the television industry as a video editor and camera operator for close to 8 years. While it has been some time I used to work on the news for a local station here in southern Ontario and I get the outrage on the part of journalists over this whole “debacle”. What Dana White did was wrong. And there’s no amount of spin by his apologists that can change that.

HOWEVER

I can understand the frustration of the community here at BE over the insane amount of coverage this topic has received. At a certain point the readers of the site, the people who should have some say in driving the mandate of the site, are going to get sick of reading about this. Both Luke and Nate wrote extensive main page articles on the topic that are very similar in tone and content and I just don’t get why it couldn’t have been one article, one discussion, it’s done, it’s over, let’s talk about fights.

by Worldisart on Apr 15, 2010 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I think a lot of it can be blamed on frustration from the media, who feel they’re being used by Dana White (which they have been). In the last year alone:

1) Someone from Zuffa leaks the details of Fedor’s enormous contract to Carmichael Dave, Dave Meltzer, and several other reporters. Unfortunately the amounts given are false, but the damage is done; in the average fan’s head Fedor turned down $30 million.
2) Dana White claims that he is listening to the fans when he shelves Franklin-Hendo II. What he doesn’t mention is that the fight is off because Hendo turned down their new contract offer.
3) Dana White texts Dave Meltzer to tell him that they’ll be countering Strikeforce’s April 17 card. Later claims he never said that and they never had plans too.

There’s plenty of other examples, but unfortunately I’m running late for a screening. My point is, while the Tito story itself may have been minor in itself, it just one more time where Dana expects the mma press to do his dirty work.

by John Nash on Apr 15, 2010 9:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not debating the merits of discussing it

But at some point to me it’s beating a dead horse. I come to this site because I think the fight analysis is stellar, I think there’s a fantastic mix of evaluating the technical side of actually fighting and analyzing match making, rankings and possible future fights.

Days like today drive me nuts because it’s been all Dana lying, all the time. I get that it needs to be covered but the coverage has gone too far and there’s very little in terms of balance in the way it’s being reported. That’s what my gripe is.

by Worldisart on Apr 15, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t care anymore. Thats all I can muster after all these articles about the samething.

by darkside3744 on Apr 15, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn you straight to hell.

That beard is the source of all that is right in this world.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Apr 16, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but...

it sure as HELL took the attention away from Ando’s dancing and the Glovegate fiasco…

Seriously? I’d say Spike and the NDA’s had a lot to do with this whole situation. No one could say anything other than what had been promoted. And if Dana had tried to dodge the question, it would have been worse. Non-disclosure means STFU, not be clever with how you phrase something. I’m not even sure if it should be broken down into something as black and white as “he shouldn’t have lied”. Probably would have been better to not answer, but that would have been just as frowned upon and speculated about as what he did say. I think this was a no-win for Dana no matter what.

"We don't need no water, let the Badr Hari burn!" - Michael Schiavello

by Jackie Maden on Apr 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

A Luke Thomas hate thread?

Count me out, there is no way I’m making Luke Thomas jokes. Kid Nate may wield the bannhammer, but Luke mothafuckin Thomas scares me SHITLESS. I can’t even watch the videoblog because of that.

If you mess with him LUKE THOMAS WILL FUCK YOU UP!

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Apr 16, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Luke Thomas: Beware of Dog

Deadliest Warrior Returns April 20!!!
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Apr 17, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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