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Takanori Gomi: Is the Fireball Snuffed Out?

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D.W. of Head Kick Legend calls Gomi's crushing loss to Kenny Florian last night the end of an era:

If anything it should be considered a landmark win for Florian, defeating the former PRIDE Lightweight champion with ease on national television, putting another nail in the coffin for PRIDE. For Gomi, this marks yet another failure and another poor performance, with the chain linking back to his loss against Nick Diaz in the US at PRIDE 33 in 2007.

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What this means is for the 31 year old Gomi is that his reign of dominance displayed in SHOOTO and PRIDE has officially come to an end, with no more questions as to if he is still possibly a top lightweight remaining. Unless Gomi can completely revamp his training and re-invent himself, he'll be yet another big name fighter signed to the UFC who was dominant in PRIDE and an undercard fighter in the UFC used to give "big name wins" to up and comers.

Steve Cofield points out that while Gomi may no longer be among the sport's elite, it was hardly a performance to be ashamed of:

Gomi (31-6, 0-1 UFC) was the last lightweight champion for PRIDE and was rated No. 1 or 2 at 155 pounds for much of the early 2000's. At age 31, it's hard to tell how much Gomi has left but he was far from embarrassing in this fight. He competed with Florian for two-plus rounds. The same can't be said for other top-ranked 155ers like Joe Stevenson and Clay Guida, who were beaten much more easily by Florian. On a side note, recent Bellator-signee Roger Huerta, who the UFC didn't want back, also went three rounds with Florian. Florian has now won 11 of 13 with his only two losses coming in UFC title shots against Sean Sherk and B.J. Penn.

Our own Leland Roling worked to counter-act the "Gomi is done" talk in the comments of last night's fight post:

Seriously, the UFC put Gomi in with one of their best lightweights, and he's still improving. Gomi got handled, but seriously... he's done? He could beat most of the bottom tier of lightweights.

People need to cut the over-the-top garbage comments like this. And I imagine all of tomorrow will be the same thing. Kenny owned Gomi with the jab... blah blah blah. Yeah, Kenny is obviously a much better fighter than Gomi, but Gomi isn't the same.

Gomi was unbalanced, had terrible footwork - not even close to reminiscent of his old self, shit defense. He has glimmers of power, but his technical striking isn't there. Will he ever be back? He's 31 and has had bouts of depression over the course of the last two years.

I'll give him some time. I think he can improve, but will he ever beat Kenny? I doubt it. But to say he's done completely is absurd and narrow-sighted.

I think it's not whether or not Gomi is still fighting at a level that will allow him to be competitive with the Clay Guidas and Joe Stevensons of the world it's whether or not the once great Fireball Kid will be interested in fighting at that level.

A fighter who has been at the very top of the mountain might not have much motivation on the downside of his career. As anyone who read my review of Gomi's career or  Sergio Non's excellent review of Gomi-ana yesterday knows, Gomi has been on a slide since 2006 when he dropped a non-title bout to Marcus Aurelio. Ever since then he's been spotty and inconsistent. 

It will be interesting to see how his UFC career unfolds. 

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I’m usually 100% against the reactionary “he’s washed up” stuff that comes after fights like this, but in this case I think it’s pretty justified. Is Gomi done? Maybe not, but to say “he can improve” is just as absurd and short-sighted as calling for his retirement.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 1, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't agree with that.

I think Gomi needs to come and train with a real camp…no more training at his own school where I doubt he’s got many guys that can push him. If he were to train at a real camp with real competition and then fail…then we can say he’s washed up. I think he took this bout a little too lightly…coming in he said he knew very little about Florian and I’m sure back when he was dominant that he didn’t need to game plan but that’s not the recipe for success over here.

This was just a case of Gomi fighting a superior fighter in every regard. Give Kenny his props for evolving and dominatiing…don’t dismiss Gomi as being washed up…that’s a little premature.

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by Buster Bluth on Apr 1, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

I think Gomi should train over @ Wand FIght Team. There im sure they’ll be able to Perfect his stand up and improve his Ground game. Not to mention, Wandy might have some tips or words of encouragement for Gomi. They’ll have that common bond because they’re both coming from Pride, right?

by kinghaze on Apr 1, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn’t so much that he lost, it was how he looked losing. He was timid. He was afraid. He refused to close in to give his shots a chance of landing.

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by keyboardwarrior on Apr 1, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Completely disagree.

The right camp and mentality in the face of defeat could improve him considerable. If he fails mentally, obviously it won’t. It all depends on his mindset for the future.

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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

ehh
The right camp and mentality in the face of defeat could improve him considerable. If he fails mentally, obviously it won’t. It all depends on his mindset for the future.

That’s the whole problem. He has failed mentally. Look. If the guy couldn’t look at his past performances in the past couple of years…and say…you know what…I’m about to make my UFC debut against a top 5 LW…I better get my shit together….then he’s NEVER going to do it…thinking he will is pretty much ridiculous at this point.

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 1, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the whole problem I have with these ridiculous opinions. He likely gave no shit about Hervey, Golyaev, or Kitaoka, but at least… he showed up slimmer, in better shape for this fight. I have to give him one more chance to try to improve. To say he’s dead already is a bit premature.

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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

His speed was pretty deficient. I’d like to see that improve along with his grappling. I think those are the two focus areas. It really depends who he gets as a next opponent, but I think his speed lacked a bit.

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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think hand speed is one thing that’s gonna be really tough to improve (or regain) at age 31, and if he was ever going to acquire a solid BJJ/sub game, it would have been during the first 10+ years of his career.

This is making me sad. I’m gonna go listen to Morrissey for a bit.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 1, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea

but if he goes out and beats a Jacob Volkmann….that doesn’t mean he’s improved…

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by Kelvin Hunt on Apr 1, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gomi isn't done, by any stretch...

but Gomi is done as a top lightweight. I see him meddling on the undercards of UFC, basically (like I said).

He is 31, if he was going to get better footwork and boxing he would’ve done so by now, if he was going to get a bottom game he would’ve done so by now.. I love the dude, but it is totally time to let go of the dream of seeing the Fireball Kid destroying people.

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by Dave Walsh on Apr 1, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Gomi isn’t going to walk into some magical camp that can improve his BJJ and reignite his passion for the fight game. His problems are largely motivational, and after seeing him go through “now I have a reason to fight again” routine a couple times now, I’ve lost both faith and interest.

by Chris Nelson on Apr 1, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to talk motivation/depression..

This is going to send him into a downward spiral.

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by Dave Walsh on Apr 1, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see Gomi become part of the UFC LW landscape...

but I don’t see him ever beating Kenflo, let alone getting revenge on Penn.

Anything can happen, but I question if he has the patience and determination to do what is necessary and work his way up the smart way.

by Razreshat on Apr 1, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

IMO

I have to say that I never really saw Gomi back during his pride day’s besides a few youtube video’s. With that being said I didn’t see the fire that he once seemed to have. It was as if he either took Kenny lightly or just didn’t care at all. IMO he was crushed in every aspect of the fight last night and showed he is not a top teir fighter anymore. At times I saw power in his hands but other then that he showed me nothing that would make me think that Gray or Clay couldn’t beat him. Now if he comes stateside and trains full time with a real camp that pushes him and sharpens his skills then mabye I could see him being a solid 155’er .

by Red Dragons on Apr 1, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Gray stands a good chance at beating Gomi. Clay somewhat falls right into what Gomi wants gusy to do – come forward. That’s why Gomi looked rather unbalanced and lunging. He wants guy to jab, then he counters with the right. Kenny was well-aware and too quick for that. Clay would just come forward like a bull, and Gomi could land.

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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fight went pretty much how I expected it would, but I find it amusing that people are only now rushing to declare Gomi as done even though he lost to an elite 155er in Florian, faring better than the likes of Stevenson, Guida and Lauzon in the process. The reality is that Gomi hasn’t won a notable fight since 2006 and nearly losing in his previous fight should have reflected much worse on him than this loss. He’s not going to be a top contender anymore but he can still be a tough test for most opponents

For his next fight, how does a fight with Renzo sound? He’s talked about dropping to 155 after the Hughes fight.

by rabrown on Apr 1, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

gomi vs renzo = money

good matchmaking!

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by Nate Wilcox on Apr 1, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it is okay to call Matt Hughes, Mirko Cro Cop, Chuck Liddell or Tito Ortiz done it is okay to say the same about Gomi.

“Done” doesn’t mean he needs to retire and he will lose every fight, but he is done as the fighter he was and done as a champion. Cro Cop can still beat Al Turk and other mid level guys, but people have no problem callin him done.

It is one thing to hold out hope for a renewal, but to deny the slide is just silly. Wandi looked done and who knows he may be on his way to a renewal at middleweight, but people were calling him done before that.

Regardless of future Gomi, current Gomi is every bit as done as Cro Cop, Liddell, Tito and and Hughes. He will be a stepping stone for up an comers or he will run through the senior leagues like the rest of them.

by truck on Apr 1, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

It really just goes to show the evolution of the sport on MMA. You have one fighter in Florian who utilizes a jab and great footwork with the BJJ and some pretty good takedown ability (a very well-rounded fighter) versus Gomi’s style of standup of throwing windmill punches and predictability. I’m not trying to knock Gomi, but the Lightweights of these days are just getting so much better.

by chrisbboy82 on Apr 1, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s not a knock on Gomi. I’m a HUGE Gomi fan and I believe you were just stating the truth. The division is better. His depression and motivation issues didn’t do him any favors either.

by Rahson on Apr 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overreaction

Wow no wonder most MMA fighters steer clear of reading these sites.

Gomi took on the #2 UFC LHW on his debut in the octagon. It shouldn’t be a surprise that he lost. He wasn’t aggressive and didn’t maintain any offensive surges during the fight. Part of this was Florian’s very good defense, part of it was Florian’s jab keeping him off balance.
I say we give Gomi the benefit of the doubt until he fights someone a little lower on the UFC ladder and actually loses to them. I’d love to see Gomi-Sherk personally. If Sherk mops the floor with Gomi then we can start analyzing how washed up he is.

by NateDouble on Apr 1, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

First of all… Gomi hasn’t looked sharp for a while now and people were saying he was done before the fight.
Second of all… He was saying he was finally motivated and we were gonna see a new Gomi.

Same story as Cro Cop IMO

by truck on Apr 1, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Gomi done...

…I don’t know, honestly. It’s true, he lasted longer in there against Florian than other LWs have. And he was fighting the de facto #2 Lightweight in the UFC in his octagon debut.

But I would have liked to have seen him in the fight. He didn’t look competitive in there. He was stymied and frustrated by Florian for three rounds, and once he hit the ground, he just looked like he wanted out of there.

If the idea was to get a Gomi/BJ II out of this, the UFC really shouldn’t have put him in there against Kenny Florian.

I’m not sure what they should do with Gomi after this. He certainly has a fair shot at beating the mid-to-lower-tier LWs in the division. And I agree any retirement talk may be premature.

I guess I’m taking a wait-and-see approach to Gomi’s future in the UFC.

by Hardcase on Apr 1, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I think it’s not whether or not Gomi is still fighting at a level that will allow him to be competitive with the Clay Guidas and Joe Stevensons of the world it’s whether or not the once great Fireball Kid will be interested in fighting at that level.

Guida would rape him, he learned his lesson about trying to be striker after losing to Kenflo. He would take down Gomi and make his life miserable for a couple of rounds and make him quit.

by Raker on Apr 1, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm?

Did people forget that Gomi was 2-2 coming into the fight with Florian (2-3 now in his last 5) just squeaking by Tony Hervey in Japan (Hervey then lost his following next 2 bouts, on a 3 fight losing streak now), not to mention being outclassed by Kitaoka in Sengoku?

There is a reason why promotions were reluctant to pay 150K per fight for his services.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Apr 1, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Hervey’s 3 streak loss was due to

Gomi-controversial in my eyes… ref pulled Gomi in the ring and then shook his shoulder before resuming fight… 4th round I do believe. Gomi had an armbar but there was only 10 sec left… who would tap in 10 sec?

Sheppard-Hervey’s wife just had a baby… I’m just sayin…

Boku-Hervey’s flight landed the day before the fight… JETLAG not to mention, his mother-in-law passed the week before.

by Lady Lion on Apr 8, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

gomi should train with bj

it’s not like they’re gonna rematch, and I think that would inspire takanori.

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