The Premature Burial of Takanori Gomi
Nineteenth-century German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche is a relatively unknown historical figure to the common person, yet one of his most famous quotes can be attached to those moments in life that didn't turn out as you'd hoped. Following last night's lightweight main event showdown between former PRIDE lightweight champion Takanori Gomi and former UFC lightweight contender Kenny Florian, it was apparent that the once-menacing "Fireball Kid" may need to turn to some words of inspiration after being choked out by Florian in the third round of action.
Most people feel that the famous quote "What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger" is cliche, but it still remains a saying that people find comforting in during those dire times in their lives.
For fighters, the quote is synonymous with the culture of combative sports as it is almost impossible for professional mixed martial artists to go undefeated for their entire careers without ever having to learn through defeat. Most of the greatest fighters in the sport, with the exception of Fedor Emelianenko, have concluded that their demoralizing defeats have only made them more determined and better fighters.
Takanori Gomi's opponent, Kenny Florian, is a prime example. Following a loss to Sean Sherk for the UFC lightweight title, Florian became one of the most dangerous fighters within the division, and his loss to B.J. Penn may have ignited a new Golden Age in his mind and body.
The curious question now is whether or not Takanori Gomi can re-invigorate himself to become, at the very least, an upper-echelon talent in the UFC. Many hardcore fans were heartbroken by the Japanese legend's loss last night, but there are some positives to take out of the fight if you were a bit more objective than Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg's commentary.
Gomi's jab slip and subsequent one-two counter peaked out of the darkness in the second round and landed successfully, somewhat stopping Florian in the middle of his own counter. While it didn't crumple Florian to the ground like so many of Gomi's past opponents, it was an indication that Gomi isn't completely incapable of producing damage against the UFC's best lightweights. He wasn't completely taken out of his game after being peppered with the jab in the first round, and to be perfectly honest -- "domination" is not a word I'd use to describe the second round of action.
Obviously, the deficiencies in his game were more apparent. Kenny perfectly executed a move-in and move-out policy on his jabs for most of the fight. Gomi was unable to lean in and throw for power because Florian had already stepped out of danger, but the continued attempts by Gomi to catch an escaping Florian created opportunity for Kenny to land counters, which he did continuously.
Gomi's stand-up defense wasn't great, and Florian's use of the jab and improvement in that area of his game contributed to the numerous lands in the fight. The fact of the matter is that Gomi has never been a supreme defensive striker. He's eaten blows before to deliver the devastating knockout punch, and he's been jabbed a few times in his career rather significantly. It isn't a surprise to see Gomi take that much damage, but Florian certainly improved his speed.
On the floor, Gomi was completely and utterly disappointing. There really isn't much else to say. It's the most glaring weakness in his game, and it's obvious that those years of training like a lazy bum and just battering opponents hasn't helped him.
The improvements he'll need to make in order to compete at the upper-level of the UFC are vast. He'll need to improve his conditioning, work on his grappling, and become faster and crisper in his stand-up game. But I'm not under the assumption that all of this can't be done. I think the ultimate question lies in his mental stability following the loss, and whether or not he'll be able to get back into the gym with an outlook that is positive rather than negative.
If he can't, a legend has died. For now, all the talk that a legend has already died is premature. He'll never beat Kenny Florian or B.J. Penn, but to say he's done in this sport is unproven. Being beaten by the consensus #2 lightweight fighter in the world certainly means you should just retire, right? Gomi won't be a world beater in the future, but a serviceable middle-of-the-road veteran who could make a run at breaking top five in the UFC is possible with some grit and determination. Top five in the UFC isn't exactly the top however.
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1 fight & were saying he's done?
he fought #2 in the world. i say he could beat alot more lightweights he just got jitters.. pressure cause he was being watch in japan, us and alot of people had high hopes give him sherk or maynard
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by mikeybear32 on Apr 1, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
it's not one fight
it’s a loss against an unknown sergey golyaev, a loss to kitaoka (who has almost as many wins as he does losses and draws), as well as taking two relative unknowns (Seung Hwang Bang and Tony Hervey) to a decision.
this is not the guy who KO’d Mach, and had wars with Ishida and Kawajiri.
by slantedwindows on Apr 1, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
True, but he's still considered a world class top fighter
And if this fight is any indication of other weight class standings, I hope all of the ufc nay sayers around the world realize that once you leave your promotion and have the guts to fight in the UFC, your legend status WILL be checked at the gate, as you proceed to get your ass beat by the best
don’t be asinine. gomi at his prime took it to BJ penn
by slantedwindows on Apr 2, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Everybody seems to forget the posts from 3 days ago...
When people were picking the winner of the Gomi / Florian fight there were lots of people who were already calling Gomi washed up or pasty his prime. The guy gets beat up and a few more people hop on that band wagon. Is this really a surprise?
Everyone who says:
1 fight & were saying he’s done?
Seems to forget or be ignoring that that he looked bad against Golyaev, Kitaoka and Hervey.
If it takes 3 or 4 fights, to prove he is slipping, we are easily already there….
He is isn the same shoes as Cro Cop, Liddell, Ortiz and Hughes right now. Sure he could beat some of the middling fighters in the division, but he is done as a contender.
Good job Leland
I really think the Fireball Kid can make a good run in the UFC. The only way he is gonna be a contender is if he changes camps. Gomi’s game needs much work, but, a really good team like Greg Jackson or Ceaser Gracie can help him. The top end daily competetion would either inspire Gomi or force the reality of his career.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
He's tried changing camps.
He worked with AKA at the end of last year and was working in Akiyama’s cage in the run up to this fight.
A camp change does not all problems fix.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 1, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomi’s future after fighting is tied up in a gym in Japan that he runs and trains in. This is to say nothing about the difficulty of moving his family to the US, or of the total lack of a guarantee of success just because he trains in America at a top camp.
If Gomi closes up shop, moves to America, spends a 15-20K on a fight camp, loses, and gets cut…what does he have?
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 1, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a choice he's going to have to make
If he’s sincere in his desire to come to America to revive his career and make one last run at the top of the sport he has to go where the best today train. The top flight training camps aren’t in Japan. It seems apparent that he’s not training with people who are pushing him, people who are lighting that fire under his ass and motivating him to change and evolve as a fighter.
In the grand scheme of things, I’m not suggesting that he actually change camps and uproot himself. I understand there are other considerations and he has to decide where his own priorities lie. But if he wants to maximize his chances for one last run at glory, he’s going to have to change something, and moving to a top training camp in North America is as good a place as any to start.
If he’s sincere in his desire to come to America to revive his career and make one last run at the top of the sport …
Let me take the suspense out of this for you: He’s not. Dude is not a hard worker. Even in his heyday he wasn’t. He said Aurelio caught him because he didn’t take him seriously and train hard.
He’s not magically going to become a training machine at this point.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 1, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, this piece is reliant on Gomi actually continuing to work. If he doesn’t, I’m in the same boat as everyone else. Gomi is done then.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
But that’s the problem. What is the evidence of Gomi having “worked” in training to the degree he needs to? I’m not just talking about prior to the Florian fight, I mean at all, for years.
If the default is “do the same thing he’s always done” after a bunch of losses, some really embarassing, why believe its going to change now? Einstein said something about expecting different outcomes when you do the same thing over and over and over.
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 1, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
B.J. Penn didn’t do shit for years either. It depends how Gomi responds to this. Don’t believe, I’m just saying… Gomi isn’t done until I see another wickedly bad loss.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC/WEC can use Gomi regardless of his current losing streak.
They can use him like they did with LIL Evil. Lil Evil helped sell the WEC brand to diehard fans. Why not use Gomi the same way? I think it makes sense.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
I'm completely with you Leland
Losing to a fighter like Kenny Florian who I believe beats everyone at 155 not named BJ Penn doesn’t tell us anything about Gomi’s future in the UFC or the sport as a whole. If he starts getting clowned by fighters like Sam Stout and Spencer Fisher, than we can talk.
If Gomi is clowned by Spencer Fisher or Sam Stout, I’ll fucking lead the bandwagon.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps his first fight in the UFC shouldve been against a Fisher or Stout, but again he’s probably making too much to waste him against those guys.
by ufc4 on Apr 1, 2010 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If he starts getting clowned by fighters like Sam Stout and Spencer Fisher, than we can talk.
Ignoring this fight…
How do names like Fisher and Stout compare to names like Golyaev, Kitaoka and Hervey… I think they compare pretty favorably… and those are guys that have given Gomi everything he could handle and then some…
by truck on Apr 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look at it from a different angle
Who was better, the Gomi that beat Hervey, or the Gomi that lost to Florian?
Beat me to it, truck.
I defer to your faster trigger finger.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 1, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How about fighters like Sergey Golyaev and Satoru Kitaoka?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 1, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry.
I still can’t get past the fact that Gomi was in a manic depression and didn’t give two shits. That’s just me I guess.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you guarantee he won't fall into another one?
Seems like the fact that he’s prone to manic depression should probably be factored into his career outlook.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 1, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering the fact he just lost to the #2 lightweight in the world, I’ll give him another chance. Sure, he might never be of form again or even close to his great form, and he might just be lazy and depressed all the time. If that’s the case, it’ll show in his next fight. I’m in no rush to judge him.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that's the point.
You guys are acting like dude has been on an island since his reign as PRIDE lightweight champ and there’s no way to gauge what he has left.
The Florian fight didn’t happen in a bubble. If it did, admittedly, we would have to reserve judgement. Since it occurred, though, at the end of a long string of lackluster performance I’m going to go ahead and start drawing the trend line downward.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is claiming that fight exists in a bubble
But if losing to Kenny Florian signals the end of the line than let’s count how many fighters are “done” as so many people have put it.
A lot of people were calling Gomi done before the fight with Kenny. Look back at the predictions…
Sure the fight with Kenny did nothing to dispell that thought, but it didn’t put the thought into people’s heads it simply added fuel to the flame.
Gomi claimed he was back and that he was finally ready to display the Gomi of old. Cro Cop sang the same tune for years now.
Losing to Kenny didn’t signal the end, losing 2 of 4 and the very close fight with Hervey signaled the end. Getting blown out by Florian was just a ceremonial nail in the coffin.
I find it funny how yesterday people were calling Kenny overrated and were amped for a Gomi victory. Now Kenny is a definite #2 in the world and acceptable to lose to.
In the lead up to the fight...
I never once claimed Gomi was the worldbeater he once was and I have long maintained that Kenny Florian is the number 2 LW in the world, so do me a favor, I enjoy debating with you but please don’t lump me in with generalizations of fight fans opinions.
At the end of the day my point is this, there is a huge difference between no longer being a top of the heap fighter and being “done”. “Done” is right up there with terms like “can” and “robbery” that are thrown around way to casually by fight fans. Gomi still has more than a few good fights left in him, even if he never climbs to the top of the mountain again, and when you call him done, what does that say about other middle of the pack fighters who have fallen to the likes of KenFlo?
Simply saying “Done” is very subjective term…
Nobody said he isn’t allowed to fight, but people are saying his days as a contender are numbered or “Done” if you will.
Could he have a few more interesting fights? Sure. So could Cro Cop and Hughes and Liddell, but in the big picture and the title picture those guys don’t really matter anymore. In that regard they are done.
Nobody is calling for his retirement…
It depends how Gomi responds to this.
Again this ignore the fact that he lost to Golyaev, Kitaoka and looked bad against Hervey. If he didn’t respond to any of those much more embarassing / humbling losses, why would he all of a sudden respond to a loss the the number 2 guy?
Sure he is young enough to potentially turn it around, but there is absolutely no reason to beleive he will at this point. a 2 plus year long streak of disappointment is more telling than potential IMO.
Because he wasn't completely embarassed?
Was it Gomi’s best fight? No way, but he was competitive enough that he might start believing that he’s not that far off from where he needs to be. This loss might be the wake up call for him that he needs to turn it around.
A loss to Florian might be enough for a wake up call…
Even though he snoozed on losses to Golyaev and Kitaoka weren’t. I don’t follow that logic.
Because people aren't static and not all losses are made equal
Things change, people grow, mature, shift their own personal paradigms. Gomi’s stated purpose for coming to the UFC was to revive his career and I don’t think it’s an unreasonable idea that he can still do that.
He didn’t get thoroughly embarrassed in the way some people are claiming he did last night. He lost to arguably the best LW not named BJ Penn and while it was a convincing loss, it could have been a lot worse. Gomi still has the physical tools and it’s just going to take the right set of circumstances to light a fire under his ass. Are these those circumstances? I don’t know but Gomi is nowhere near done in the way people are suggesting.
Is it unrealistic to think or believe that Gomi may have lied and was there because the UFC was offering him a lot of money when it had dried up in Japan? I’m serious.
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 1, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it unrealistic to think he might have been sincere?
You can sit and question the comments made by any fighter, but at some point it becomes useless and you just have to learn to take it at face value until given reason to believe otherwise. Last night doesn’t give me reason to believe that Gomi just phoned it in and collected a pay check.
I think based on his performance and prefight talk, it looks like the much more likely scenario.
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 1, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Because there’s no indication of improvement in technique, and he admitted in advance he doesn’t know anything about Florian, so apparently he didn’t prepare specially in any way to fight him.
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 1, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are taking him for his word on everything...
Why don’t you trust that he was motivated training hard and back into tip top shape?
Regardless
UFC should have placed him against lower tier fighters. The Florian fight was just too fast.
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I think the hope was that old Gomi would have come out and lit up Kenny...
The need contenders and a new exciting KO artist would be fun for the casual fans.
It’s shameful I can only rec this once.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He only worked with AKA for a short time while he was here negotiating with Strikeforce and the UFC. He spent a majority of his camp in Tokyo with Akiyama.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that not almost verbatim what I said?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Apr 1, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but that short of a time isn’t circumstantial in my mind. We need to see more.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You make some good points.
But the things you pointed out about Gomi’s weaknesses are what I find too glaring, and what overshadowed the good stuff in his fight with Kenny. Yeah, Gomi looked tired, but stuff like cardio and jitters can be fixed. It’s the defence, the ground game, etc. that makes me believe that when I look at the top guys in the LW division, I can’t really see him getting a W. I think his speed and his boxing in the past made up for any weaknesses, but I think he’s lost a step, and those weaknesses seem even bigger now. He can still compete, and no doubt he can still win, but it’ll be tough for him against the top guys. If he takes on Maynard or Sherk or any of those top guys and manages to destroy one of them, I’ll be the first one to apologize. It wouldn’t be the first time I ate my own words.
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always be a fan of gomi win or lose
Friedrich Nietzsche? With my MMA opinion pieces?
Never let it be said that education doesn’t belong in MMA! Love it Leland.
I don’t think Gomi should be answering any existential questions about his UFC career yet. I want to see him beat up Joe Stevenson…
Though I dispute that "Friedrich Nietzsche is a relatively unknown historical figure to the common person"
Really? Most people don’t know Nietzsche?
Granted, I have a degree in philosophy, so I know a hell of a lot about Nietzsche, but he makes enough appearances in pop culture that I would think a great many people at least know his name and have some idea what sorts of ideas he had.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
How often do you ever get to work Nietzsche into sports journalism though?
Next thing you know Leland will be proposing that we use Foucault’s discourse to discover the true #1 contender.
Darwin's theory of Natural Selection would be more appropriate. lol
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Really? Most people don’t know Nietzsche?
Nine out of ten Americans have no fucking clue. I bet I could walk around my office and ask and get blank stares.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Duh...
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Those people are embarrassingly stupid.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I almost dropped a David Wallace Foster reference, but I didn’t want the article to turn toward morbid.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gomi, Guida, Huerta, Stevenson, Lauzon, Stout
All of them are done, obvioulsy
Like breast cancer I have something to get off my chest
I’d love to see Gomi against any of them (sans Huerta, obviously). Give him a matchup against the guys at the bottom of the elite and see if he belongs in that tier. I think Florian handles anyone at LW not named BJ Penn (including Aoki), so calling Gomi finished for lasting into the third and doing a little damage of his own is absurd.
Gomi vs. Stout, please.
This is a bit tangential
But do you expect to see a clash in the future between the ethos of technical boxing and the relatively short MMA fight clock? Fighters are constantly evolving and we are seeing an impressive advancement in applicable boxing recently. Florian’s jab and footwork set him up to control the striking without taking damage. If this trend evolves, are we going to find ourselves with fighters jabbing their way to decision victories in 3 round fights?
Naturally take downs are the natural alternative here but in a fight like Gomi/KenFlo, Gomi wasnt going to seek out any grappling so he was at the mercy of a patient striker who exploited his jab. Early rounds in Boxing often contain a “feeling out” period and its not uncommon at all for the first round to be a throw away. The first round isnt a throw away too often in MMA due to round length and the shortage of rounds in a fight, but a safe Round 1 strategy could easily net a fighter a round on the scorecards. Should we expect to see this branch out as fighters become more adept at controlling the striking engagements through boxing?
by clydeftones on Apr 1, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There have been guys who jabbed their way to wins. Tim Sylvia comes to mind.
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 1, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That always seemed more Freak Show based, to me. Tim was exploiting his disproportionate reach advantage and frame. Are there many examples in weight classes below HW (where there is relative parody in physique)?
Rich Franklin won his middleweight title in the UFC being a pretty OK kickboxer and not much else. Lots and lots of jab-jab-right hand.
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 1, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I could make an argument for Anderson Silva. He’s kind of a freak physically for 185. Size and reach etc. He cuts down from like 220 right?
Silva came to mind with his slow traditional first half of Round 1, but he doesnt exploit his boxing to cruise to a decision. My idea was based on the hypothetical of Ken Flo repeating Round 3 a la Round 1 or 2, with jabs, footwork and safe striking giving him a clear 10-9 round, but uninspiring performance.
somewhat related to the guff GSP has been on the business end of, only he does it with wrestling through position control and transitions.
LOL
At all the people voting “No.” Did you see the fight last night? Gomi didn’t even do anything.
Gomi definitely gets a pass from me. UFC debut against a monster like Florian? Hard to shine there.
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by Martial Farts on Apr 1, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
When you frame the entire discussion as one that forces the reader/viewer to be blind to that has happened in the last few years to Gomi, its easy to make the argument that Gomi’s ability to compete at the elite level hasn’t provably deteriorated. You disqualify almost all the evidence from the start with that premise. Shifting the goalposts further to say that Gomi could aspire for success as a gatekeeper as the defense seems equally suspect.
Most people who think Gomi is washed up are those who think that Gomi’s initative as a fighter is to be the best, to be elite, and that his slide is largely a result of his difficulty accepting his place as a fighter. All the evidence points to that. What then is the evidence that Gomi wants to be a workmanlike prelim fighter? I see nothing that points at his aspiration to be a Japanese Spencer Fisher.
The way you talk about Gomi is the way people talked about Mark Kerr for years.
by VirtualBalboa on Apr 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
OK, let's look at four fighters in a somewhat similar circumstance
Matt Hughes, Randy Couture, Big Nog, and Gomi.
All have what it takes to be top ten in their weight-class. All four were, at one time, number one in their weight-class, and are often mentioned when people discuss all-time great mixed martial artists. To me Liddell, Cro Cop and Ortiz are different as I don’t think they can make it even into the top ten any more, no matter what they do.
Anyway, once you’ve been number one, and are an all-time great, how do you adjust to battling just to stay in the top ten?
For Hughes and Couture, it’s easy. They don’t. They don’t battle to stay in the top ten in any weight class, I mean. They look for “interesting” fights.
Where are the “interesting” (read: big money) fights for Nog and Gomi? Maybe Nog has a rematch with Mir. After that, what?
For Gomi it is even worse. He’s even less known to American fans, and there are fewer name light-weights for him to fight. So he really can’t do the Hughes/Couture option of going for “interesting” fights. Is he really going to get incredibly motivated to battle the mid-tier of the lightweight division in order to move up to, I don’t know, being the number 8 lightweight in the world? This guy used to be king—he used to not just be recognized as the greatest lightweight on earth, but people said he was the greatest lightweight ever, until BJ Penn showed up.
We’ll see. It’s tough though—and a lot of things that don’t kill you don’t make you any stronger, either.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Apr 1, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
Takanori Gomi’s opponent, Kenny Florian, is a prime example.
Big difference. Florian actually has/had the desire to improve.
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Big difference in what?
I wasn’t saying Gomi was learning from his defeats. I should say Florian is the epitome of that.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not done.
That exact same performance against most of the lightweights in the UFC earns him a win. I just hope he sees it that way too and doesn’t sink into a deep depression.
If you fight the #2 lightweight and lose your not done. And its not like Gomi was beaten to a pulp, like fitch to GSP he was just outclassed. Gomi should have been thrown a tune up fight before facing #2.. though dana probably thought there may have been a chance gomi could have lost in that tune up fight and there goes the hype. Time for Tibau vs Gomi
I like Gomi just like everybody else
but after losing to Kitaoka and Golyaev in WVR, I was convinced Gomi’s time at the top at the top is done.
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...but... he could still be good if he tries harder...
…and he lost to Kenny Florian, so all the prior losses are erased because Kenny is the best…
by truck on Apr 1, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he could still be good if he tries harder…
i can agree with these
so all the prior losses are erased because Kenny is the best…
i call bullshit. Him losing doesnt prove he is better , even if its against Florian.
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Yeah, its a little late in the game to decide you want to learn some ground game.
I don’t know why this is even an argument or why people are getting defensive. Everything is pretty damn obvious. Was it his last fight? Obviously not. Will he ever contend for a title with such a limited skill set as well as outside of the ring troubles? Obviously not.
I’m a little confused as to why this has turned it to people defending his valor.
Is that supposed to be a snarky comment as a jab to my own opinion?
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep :) It's all in good fun though. I do enjoy a lot of your pieces. I def disagree with this one though.
Truthyfully, I think Cro Cop is an excellent parallel for Gomi. Cro Cop may be a few years older, but they have been fighting for almost the same amount of time.
Both fighters won a Pride GP in the mid 2000’s.
Both fighters have fallen on hard times lately and lost a couple fights.
Both fighters have 3 losses and a NC that probably should / could be a loss over that span (last eight fights / since 2007)
Both fighters have been questioned for their training and for their mental readiness.
Both fighters neglected to practice in a cage for their fights in the UFC.
Both have losses to top 10 fighters in that time.
The only real difference I see is that Cro Cop’s losses came to a higher level of competition.
by truck on Apr 1, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know. CroCop just seems to be flat out idiotic in his strategy in fights. Throwing head kicks with no setup is absurd. The history is in line, I’d agree.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Cro Cop has barely thrown a head kick in the last year, possibly because he’s not confident in using his feet after his surgeries. He’s been throwing a token one at the start of the fight and then stuck with using his hands.
Wrong. So wrong.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I am a fan of Gomi as much as the next guy, but I trust what I see...
…and I think I see a fighter who is on his way out and may have lost interest.
I was actually sad for Gomi after Kenny threw the 15th jab into his face in the opening round.
I'm tired
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by Leland Roling on Apr 1, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he is done
He is too 1 dimensional. I define done has not be able to achieve success similar to what he achieved in PRIDE (which is being champion or at least a top contender).
You’re forcing this argument with pretty uninteresting definitions.
If by “done” you mean a fighter effectively becoming a “can”… yeah, I think you know the answer to that question. But is that what “done” should mean in the Gomi-context? A fighter who’s been top of the food chain will pretty much be held to that standard when the question about his current/future status within he sport arises – can he get back to contendership, let alone top-of-the-food-chain status? Is Gomi “Gomidone”? Hell yeah.
You’re forcing this argument with pretty uninteresting definitions.
You’re entire analysis is uninteresting and boring because we’ve been over it in this thread already. You’re late to the party.
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by Leland Roling on Apr 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions

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