More on DaDa 5000's MMA Debut
by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 6, 2010 10:13 AM EST
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Earlier today Anton shared the not-so-surprising news that DaDa 5000 (aka Kimbo Slice 2.0) won his MMA debut in controversial fashion after he was hurt in the stand-up and then taken down and mounted. Then, with DaDa still mounted, the ref ordered a stand-up due to lack of action.
"I feel good about it," said DaDa 5000, who mixed it up with James at Thursday's weigh-in.
Of course, there was a bit of controversy in that fight, too. Both James and DaDa 5000 came out swinging hard.
After James gained an advantage, taking DaDa 5000 to the ground, the referee made the fighters stand up. James was told it was because he wasn't thowing punches.
"They stopped the fight," he said. "I was on top. I had full mount. It's (expletive)."
After the fighters returned to their feet it was DaDa 5000 who landed the heavy blows. A left took James to the floor and then DaDa 5000 quickly finished the job.
Oh, and if that doesn't make you feel good enough about the event, take a gander at how things went down during the Mike Bernhard / Ariel Gandulla fight from the same event:
Bernhard won after it was determined Gandulla twice gouged his eyes and once grabbed his groin. The official result is disqualification at 2:50 of the first round.
"He's a low-life piece of (expletive) who couldn't win any other way," Bernhardt said.
Sounds like a fine night that really showed off the heights that our fine sport can reach.
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Embarrassing.
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DaDa 5000
Is he the dude from Outkast who sings “Hey Ya”?
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by thetakeover on Mar 6, 2010 10:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He was a member of Kimbo’s crew, he took up the torch of being the bearded Miami street fighting guy after Kimbo went pro. He and that Level kid are both trying to go pro now. Level has been reasonably successful (but sloppy). DaDa…not so much.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 6, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Da Da 5000 is some dude that used to hang around in Kimbo’s kitchen. He was like the 3rd best streetfighter from a Miami backyard cookout or something like that.
Dude even has his own sweet arena for his fights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xs0luQnD4A
Between this Da Da Trash and the Canseco bullshit...
i’m embarrassed for my beloved sport…
by Dark Tower on Mar 6, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
There should be a firm rule in the unified code.
Fighters on top working from full mount, side mount, or even from within the down fighters half guard are not allowed to be stood up.
The only position refs should even be allowed to consider standups is the full guard, which is at least thought to be 50/50, although, as Fitch said, the closed guard is pretty dead at this point.
If it’s not a full guard situation, work it out. Prangley got stood up out of half last weekend, too. It’s bullshit. If you want up, sweep or wall walk. Get your ass own ass up.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 6, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions
"Get your ass own ass up"
The stand up is not there to benefit the bottom fighter, but the spectators.
Speak for yourself.
This spectator appreciates the subtleties of ground fighting, even if it sometimes takes a guy 45 seconds to a minute to improve his position or set up a submission.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 6, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
The fact is that often times, fighters are not working to improve their position. A fighter ahead in the cards after two periods can find himself in side mount in the third period and be perfectly content with stalling to a victory. The stand up is to benefit the spectators- a decision can be reached through stall tactics- but MMA would not be as interesting a sport. The problem with your proposition is that one can easily hold side mount for 5 minutes by squeezing a head and arm, applying pressure, and circling. Don’t tell me that you would find that enjoyable.
Again...
…if the downed fighter doesn’t want to get stalled out and lose on points, then he should shrimp to full guard, then work for a sweep or a wall walk.
Fighters should not be stood up from dominant positions. It would be like breaking them in the stand up when one of them was hurt and the other guy was unloading on him.
Full guard, if they’re stalling, fine. I will never agree that fighters should be stood up even from half guard, much less full guard or side control. People stall just fine on their feet as well. If you don’t appreciate grappling, go watch K-1 or boxing.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 6, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, fighters can stall a fight standing up too, that’s why the referee can give warnings, deduct points and separate fighters from a clinch.
I would enjoy MMA much less if the referees were just there to stop the fights.
so we all agree that DADA is DOO DOO right?
by SilverNBlackZach! on Mar 6, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
When was the last time you saw a ref deduct a point from two standing fighters?
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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 6, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
There should be a firm rule in the unified code.
Fighters on top working from full mount, side mount, or even from within the down fighters half guard are not allowed to be stood up.
I’m with you here on side and full mount, but not half guard. I don’t think half guard is really a dominant position. But otherwise, yeah.
by JRN on Mar 6, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I’m open to discussion on half guard. That Prangley standup from last weekend is top of mind as I say that. I thought that one was crap.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 6, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
That one was bad because he was pushing on the legs and trying to pass. The ref looked like he was waiting for Prangley to not punch and try to pass so he could stand them up.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 6, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
There should be a firm rule in the unified code.
Fighters on top working from full mount, side mount, or even from within the down fighters half guard are not allowed to be stood up.
I am not a fan of standups, but this rule would lead to the creation of a bunch of Antonio McKee clones. You would get guys who secure a dominant position and make no effort at all to do anything other than maintain that position until the round ends.
It has to be up to the refs discretion. Unfortunately, the quality of refs is just awful at local shows so you get stuff like this happening.
Yeah, but the current rules create Spencer Fisher clones
Where guys feel like they’re entitled to standups and don’t work on their bottom defense and escapes.
It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I watch ADCC and grappling competitions, so a guy getting to dominant position and riding it to the win isn’t the worst thing that can happen, to my mind. I watch that all the time.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 6, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Are you confusing Spencer Fisher & Josh Neer?
Because even though both guys are for MFS guys with bad wrestling, I have never seen Fisher pout about getting stuck on the bottom like Neer does.
Yes, apologies.
Meant Neer. Always get those guys mixed up.
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by The Kittitas Kid on Mar 7, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I think the best way to fix this problem
is to have point deductions for stalling, but no standups. It makes the punishment for stalling severe, but eliminates refs saving fighters in bad spots from getting finished. Stalling would be a terrible strategy if it lost you the round or even the fight on points.
Maybe in the future when we have seven round fights.
by yukkurishiteittene on Mar 6, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t like it. Mainly because i don’t want the current crop of refs determining winners of fights by deciding when a fighter is stalling vs. when they’re working on positional improvement..etc
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 6, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
There was worse reffing at the UFC event in Australia, that’s far more embarrassing.
Hearing about the ridiculous stuff at these small shows is more worrying than embarrassing, for me. The only people that hear about these events are the people that go and the sort of people that call MMA “our sport”.
No, you can tell because the poster for the event isn’t ugly enough.
by David_ on Mar 6, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thrs ridiculous, ufc posters for the past few events have been excellent
by kanodogg on Mar 6, 2010 3:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My ex girlfriend was there. She told me that the feud stemmed from Bernhard’s opponent leaving the gym that they trained at and stealing money from the head trainer or something. Then, after the fight, the dq’d guy was talking trash to the dude he stole money from then he got hit and all hell broke loose. Supposedly, a proper riot broke out.
Sounds crazy. I hope something pops up on youtube.
Wouldnt call it a ‘proper riot’ – two people from the crowd threw popcorn and soda at the ring, then there was a little tussle amongst the fighter camps but security broke it up almost immediately and the fights continued right after…
This event wasnt really as lawless as its been made out to be, just really poor/crooked refereeing and a low level of talent on the card….
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