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Fading Legend Jens Pulver Talks Trainer Pat Miletich

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Jonathan Snowden interviews Jens Pulver and manages to do a total body slam on the reputation of the vaunted trainer Pat Miletich:

Once, legends roamed the fabled halls of Pat Miletich's gym in Bettendorf, Iowa.  Turn around quickly and you'd bump into a world champion:  Miletich, Tim Sylvia, Matt Hughes and Jens Pulver all trained out of Pat's gym, a step up from the rented racquetball court where they got their start years earlier.  

When the mainstream media discovered MMA, they were quick to discover Pat.  He was articulate, smart and helped paint a picture they wanted to sell:  whitebread, down home, middle America.  This was the "new NASCAR" and no one better epitomized that than the clean cut Miletich fighters.  

Of course, like most things, by the time the mainstream discovered them, the camp was well past its sell-by date.  There were fawning pieces in ESPN: The Magazine and Sports Illustrated's Jon Wertheim even wrote a book singing Miletich's praises

That's just the set up, here's the KO:

Snowden: "Was there something special Pat was teaching there that made the team so succesful?"

Pulver: "People always ask for Pat's secret ingredient.  There wasn't no secret ingredient.  That's why I made that comment about our "supposed leader."  There was no one leader man.  We all did it together.  Jeremy Horn was the leader when it comes down to it.  We all ran after that guy.  We all said 'teach us coach.'" 

Snowden:  "What is your relationship like with Pat today?  Have you fallen out with all the guys on the old team?" 

Pulver: "How could I have a falling out?  Fallen out with who?  There is nobody.  They're all gone.  There was Pat, but Pat is too busy trying to make cash, making a living.  He ain't coaching people.  Everyone always thought Pat had a magical touch and was teaching us all these magical things.  No he wasn't.  No. Never.  Never ever.  It was a great combination of things that left.  Jeremy left, Matt left, Robbie left.  Matt Pena left.  Everybody grew up more or less.  We weren't there anymore.  And that's why the great experiment is over." 

Snowden: "So, there was no magical Miletich secret?"

Pulver:  "If there is a key ingredient, and Pat Miletich was teaching it, then that key ingredient would still be there.  Correct?  The young bucks would still be coming.  Correct?  I wasn't trying to talk mess about Pat himself.  I'm just ready to go.  I'm 34 years old.  How long was I supposed to stay there?  I hadn't been home in 10 years.  I'm tired.  I want to build my own gym.  I want to build my own fighters.  It's my time." 

This is the second time Snowden has de-mythologized a vaunted MMA camp. In his book Total MMA, he interviews numerous original members of Ken Shamrock's Lion's Den and it quickly becomes apparent why Shamrock has not been a top MMA trainer in almost a decade. 

It would appear that Miletich's time at the top is long since past. His original stable of stars -- Matt Hughes, Jeremy Horn, Pulver, Tim Sylvia -- have all faded from their peaks and moved on to other gyms. 

That's not to sell Miletich short, he did a great deal to build the sport and for the better part of a decade, Miletich Fighting Systems was one of the best camps in the sport. It appears that the secret sauce was Jeremy Horn, a self-taught jiu jitsu expert, who shared his knowledge with the many excellent wrestlers at camp Miletich. 

Miletich himself was one of the fighters who pioneered being a well-rounded stylist combining a mastery of wrestling, decent striking and a comprehension of submissions. But it would appear that his time as a top level MMA trainer is past.

As for Pulver, we'll find out tonight if he's still got what it takes to fight at the highest levels of the sport.

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I think this may be the end for Pulver but all the best to him in the future. Did I mention his new Tapout shirt is beyond awesome? I am still pullin for him tonight regardless…

by Koob on Mar 6, 2010 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Hungry people make sacrifices to become champions. Well-fed people eventually stop making those sacrifices.

I think this describes the fall of our fighting heroes more than does the ravage of old age.

by casey manrique on Mar 6, 2010 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Snowden is one of the best in the business. Between him, Nate, and Brent, they have a ton to offer for those of us who may not have been following the sport during the dark ages. Serious internet shoutout to all three of them.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 6, 2010 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

In the early days, wrestling was the No. 1 MMA skill. It’s why Mark Coleman and Mark Kerr were able to dominate, and it’s why Matt Hughes was able to dominate.

Quad Cities is a great feeder system for some of the most talented wrestlers in the country.

But nowadays, you need a fuller skill-set, especially when it comes to stand-up.

The momentary dominance of MFS fighters was a product of its time. The sport has moved on, and the guys from MFS failed to keep pace.

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by thetakeover on Mar 6, 2010 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

Is Jens physically and mentally ready for this fight ?

With Jens moving his family to Idaho and recently opening a gym , two things that take a lot of time and dedication to make happen is he ready for this fight with Vasquez ? Watching Jens weigh in he did not look as good of shape that he did in his last few fights where he came in cut up and defined , but not this time. To compete at the level of UFC/WEC you have to be spot on with everything and be in the best shape of your life. I don’t think Jens did that and I think Vasquez is going to be the one that retires Jens.

by DropnHook on Mar 6, 2010 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Jenz...

while it’z good that he iz reinventing himself, i havn’t seen much change in the gameplan of jenz Pulver. He remindz me of Chris Leiben… ALWAYZ looking for the HUGE left, Everytime it’z the same. I hope he comez out w/ a decent gameplan.

"If I told you I was good, you would think I am boasting. If I told you I was not good, you would know I am lying" Bruce Lee

by DrGoodspd on Mar 6, 2010 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Yez

I too hope that Jenz comez up with a good gameplanz.

by Grappo on Mar 6, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s crazy is that S and Z are actually touching on a keyboard. Please quit it with this “ending everything with a z” especially when his name is actually Jens. Like his name ends with an S. If you want to spell “is” as “iz” fine, but whenever you post I will just call you a dummy. Trust me, that will get more tiring than trying to find the Z on the keyboard whenever you need to type plurals or words that have S in them.

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by Matthew Roth on Mar 6, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

SOO SORRY...

i read your comment, and it upset me that you didn’t approve of my usage of the letter “z” in my postingz. So much in fact that i couldn’t sleep at all that night. I am constantly trying to gain acceptance of fellow MMA fanz, and to hear that my grammer botherz you, makez me sad. I do however want to extend my gratitude to you, for allowing me to use the “Z” on my keyboard to use in the word “IS” (iz). For that i am eternally thankful, and thank you for letting me live in the world of THISREDENGINE.. i will be more careful in the future to not upset you when i post my opinionz on MMA websitez.Thank you. In celebration of the enlightment you have so kindly bestowed upon my humble existence, i shall adopt a Brazilian orphan who iz in a state of pozzezzionlezznezz, i will name him Zam Zilva, train him extensivley in the art of MMA, and maybe someday, he will be the UFZ Champion.

"If I told you I was good, you would think I am boasting. If I told you I was not good, you would know I am lying" Bruce Lee

by DrGoodspd on Mar 7, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Pat Miletich is overrated

Pat Miletich and the Miletich gym were probably the most overrated aspects of mma a few years back. Pat was just fortunate(lucky) to have 5-6 really talented and dedicated fighters training there at the same time and Pat took credit for it. If Pat was really talented he would have staying power. Since those 5-6 guys left coincidentally Pat’s coaching accomplishments have dwindled too.

According to Pulver, Pat Miletich never has had a ring or a cage set up at his gym in Iowa in which his fighters could train. He just had mats on the floor and that was it. Any modern mma gym will have both.

I’ve also heard that the MFS camp in Iowa is having financial difficulties and they are having problems replacing the fighters who have departed. I’ve seen Mike Ciesnolevicz (Mike C.) get on the Underground and Sherdog and asking young fighters to please come to Iowa it join the gym. It was once the case that fighters would hop on a bus and just show up in Bettendorf to hopefully train at the gym and live nearby. Apparently not anymore.

Why would any young mma prospect go train there when the MFS camp is known to basically put you through hazing and humiliate you for the first month you’re there? Why be disrespected like that when other more advanced mma gyms with treat you with respect and are only concerned with teaching mma skills.

by Gorilla88 on Mar 6, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

I have to disagree. Miletich was a top camp in the game. Largely due to the talent that trained there. But that is true of every gym. Chute Box was great because of Wandy, Shogun, Ninja, etc; Brazilian Top Team was great because of Arona, the Nog brothers, and Filho; Team Quest was the top camp when Randy, Dan, and Matt were all there.

It is all cycular. When top guys leave to start their own camps and others follow, it weakens the original team. Some other gym will feature the young and upcoming stars will become the new great team until their stars start to leave.

by rtwil on Mar 6, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I know this book is old, but you got a review?

by The Bronzeville Bully on Mar 6, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

of course

here you go

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by Kid Nate on Mar 6, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

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