UFC, Strikeforce Counter-Programming Shoot Out on April 17th or 24th Starring Kimbo Slice
by Kid Nate on Mar 5, 2010 5:14 PM EST
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As expected the UFC will counter-program Strikeforce's April 17th show, per Mike Chiappetta:
The UFC is in the process of laying the groundwork for an April 17 show to counter the Strikeforce on CBS offering, MMA Fighting has learned.
Though the company has not officially announced the event and it should not be considered a done deal, two separate sources with knowledge of the situation confirmed that the promotion has begun to ramp up its efforts over the last several hours and that Spike TV -- the likely broadcast outlet for the show -- has been informed of the decision.
Sherdog is even reporting that the UFC might hold their event in Nashville to hurt Strikeforce's ticket sales.
With Mike Swick injured and unable to headline the event, Brent Brookhouse picks up this rumor:
With the announcement of the UFC holding an event on April 17 and now news that the rumored Mike Swick vs. Matt Serra fight is off due to Mike Swick's injury there has been much speculation on what fights will run on the event.
Despite rumors from Carmichael Dave on The Underground that James Toney would make his MMA debut against Kimbo Slice on the event, I have heard from a solid source that the most likely option right now is to move the scheduled Kimbo Slice / Matt Mitrione fight from UFC 113 up a few weeks to the Spike TV card.
A Kimbo Slice vs Matt Mitrione headliner will do much more damage to Strikeforce than the Swick vs Serra bout. Sure Swick and Serra are far more accomplished athletes than Slice or Mitrione, but this isn't about sport, it's about spectacle.
Jake Rossen breaks down some of Strikeforce's problems trying to sell their April 17th event with no Fedor on the card:
The problem with Strikeforce's compressed schedule is that it often doesn't leave room for improvisation. Without Fedor Emelianenko, their April 17 show in Nashville lacks anyone that will induce a nervous gut reaction in audiences. Herschel Walker would seem to be a proper substitute, but he simply doesn't have enough time to train for that date.
Walker's absence takes the show's narrative in a different direction: Without a mass-media hook, ratings will depend almost exclusively on the appetite for solid fights between anonymous (to network viewers) athletes on over-the-air television. Shinya Aoki, Gilbert Melendez andGegard Mousasi are all capable and intriguing fighters, but they have none of the resonance that an ex-NFL player or a Russian bruiser would for viewers torn between free fights or a repeat of "Spider-Man 3." These are not facts that thrill me, but they are what they are.
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Unlike the UFC, which can sell low-watt cards based solely on that acronym, competing promotional entities are heavily reliant on personalities. When Kimbo Slice skipped EliteXC's second CBS telecast, ratings went down 40 percent from the inaugural installment. Aoki talking trash in Japanese is probably not going to burn up the Nielsen boxes.
Strikeforce still has the option to change the date per MMA Junkie:
SI.com's Josh Gross recently posted a report on his Twitter account that Strikeforce "had the option" of changing dates, and Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker confirmed an adjustment is a possibility
"CBS had an opportunity to do the fight on [April 24] and go after the WEC pay-per-view date, and they said, 'No, let's just do it on the [April 17] and be nice guys,'" Coker told MMAjunkie.com. "Now that the counter-programming is coming their way, I think there is some fluidity in what could happen."
I think it's telling that the suits at CBS decided to play nice. Dana White and the guys at M-1 Global must love to hear that. They're not playing nice, they're trying to win. But now that Dana has made it clear that the UFC will be fighting dirty, CBS has an option of their own. MMA Weekly spells it out:
That "fluidity" could mean a possible move to April 24, where Strikeforce would counter the UFC's sister promotion World Extreme Cagefighting. WEC 48, featuring featherweight champion Jose Aldo defending against former titleholder Urijah Faber, is scheduled for April 24, with plans to be the promotion's first pay-per-view offering.
So in sum, Strikeforce may have to move their event to the 24th, and no matter which date they choose they could still have a disaster if all three title fights go the distance, Zach Arnold:
Having three title fights (5 minutes per round, 5 rounds) is going to be a scheduling nightmare if the fights go the distance. Two of the three could very easily do so - Aoki/Melendez and Shields/Henderson (most likely). It's unlikely Mousasi vs. King Mo would go the distance, but you never know. If the time frame for the CBS telecast is two hours long, Strikeforce is going to have to haul ass and rush fighters in and out of the cage in order to make it on time or have a small over-run. If the show goes over time by a half-hour or longer, there's going to be a lot of pissed off network affiliates across the country.
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Dana white is the most diabolical playa hater o all time.
by Rayce. on Mar 5, 2010 5:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ttrying to counter a show that good with Kimbo Slice??
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
good luck Dana White
by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 6, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
WEC 48 is going to sell the same with or without Strikeforce against it.
People will just dvr one and switch back and forth.
UFC in the same city and the same night would out sell Strikeforce.
Ratings…. Strikeforce has a built in edge by being on CBS.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 5, 2010 5:25 PM EST reply actions
i dont think sales will be the same for wec if they go head to head with stirkforce
we were considering buying wec, but if stirkforce is on the same night, there is no way in hell I am going buy the wec ppv. and i am sure i am not alone on this.
The WEC 48 card is either something you'll buy or not.
A Strikeforce event would be extra MMA that you didn’t plan for.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 5, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, there are people like me who see Faber/Aldo as better than any fight on the SF card and worth the price of admission and I’ll be buying that regardless.
I’m going to watch strikefore regardless, the king month vs mousasi and the melendez vs aoki are great matchups. And I have 5 round of hendo vs sheilds to flick between it and ufc.
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by Thats It For you! on Mar 5, 2010 10:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
my point i was we were probably going to buy the wec, if there was nothing else that night
but if stikeforce will be on the same night, now we wont, so they will steal lots of potential buyers.,Especally last minute buyers.
If your looking for a specific match like Aldo/Faber than yeah you will definitely buy the WEC PPV. If you just want to watch mma then chances are a lot of people will just watch the free Strikeforce if it is on the 24th.
Now if it remains on the 17th, more people are likely to buy WEC 48 because there isnt an alternative.
It’s like the NFL. Your more likely to watch the Colts/Patriots on Sunday Night Football because there is nothing else on than if it is on at 1pm et and Fox has on the Cowboys/Saints.
I don't know why people would argue with you on this one
He just said it wouldn’t affect buys. You just said it would affect your buy. There has to be a few other thousand people who think the same way you do. That’s going to affect the WEC buyrate.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Please, you have been railing against the UFC/WEC all week and trying to spin everything into pro-strikeforce, and now you want us to expect that you are dead set on buying the WEC PPV?
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strike force has really great grapplers, so i am probably gonna be watching that.
I do wanna see meathead scatter kimbos teeth….. but I wanna see if sheilds can choke out hendo. That would be huge.
by Rayce. on Mar 5, 2010 5:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If Strikeforce moves to the 24th I think it's a lose/lose situation for Zuffa because
1) Free mma on CBS sounds a lot better than 45 dollars(55 hd version) on PPV. If there is nothing else going on the 24th I think people would be more tempted to order WEC 48 because it is a good card but if there is free mma, some people (hardcores particulary) will watch the CBS show for free and find the WEC card online either after or the next day.
2) If Strikeforce moves to the 24th the UFC card on the 17th becomes pointless. Sure you would get ratings but the whole point of that card is supposed to be to prevent Strikeforce from gaining more steam.
It’s also a lose/lose for Strikeforce if they change dates, which is pretty much the point. Dana and the UFC have Strikeforce on the ropes, and they know it.
UFC doesn't have to beat Strikeforce in ratings. It has to just take enough viewers away.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 5, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
A Strikeforce move from the 17th to the 24th cause problems for them.
1. Production problems.
2. Fans.
3. Journalist
UFC is just fucking with them big time and could close the ratings difference with a solid card.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 5, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
How So?
About the lose/lose for SF.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
They have to tuck tail and move to another date, one that is already booked by Showtime production crews. They’re already selling tickets and advertising an April 17 show. Changing it hangs fans out to dry. And even if they move to the 24th, they’ll lose viewership on that date. UFC wins either way, and Strikeforce loses either way.
Oh I gotcha
I’m slow today. I forgot about the Showtime stuff.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
They stay on the 17th, the go head to head with the UFC and Kimbo, not an appetizing option.
They go to the 24th, they go head to head with the Super 6 on their own partners channel as well as having to split a production crew and make an already weak production weaker. As well as alienating ticket holders.
Yeah that would suck
If you bought tickets thinking it’s on the 17th and then they change it to the 24th and you can’t go because of prior commitments.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Dana is just pissing in Strikeforce's punch.
He’s laughing his ass off.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 5, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
luckily for you, there will be another mma event nearby on that day.
Which brings up more problems for SF, if people make plans to travel to TN, they are going to be very upset at the company, and unlikely to buy/travel to a show again.
Also, the 24th is booked. WEC tickets have been on sale, it’s likely that media has already made plans to either attend the super 6 or the WEC on that day.
moving the SF show causes lots of issues with lots of people, I think it only makes sense if they really think going on the 17th will lead to the end of the cbs deal.
yep…. this is hilarious.
By Shitfarce using this empty threat who’s gonna buy tickets not knowing if they will actually have the event on the 17th or not.
Zuffa hasnt announced shit yet and shitfarce is running around like a chicken with its head cut off.
SF can't turn tail and run now.
The UFC is after them, and they won’t stop until SF gets booted from CBS. Right now, Coker has the better card, with a straight flush. Dana only has three of a kinds. SF has to hold their ground. It’s either sink or swim for them now.
How in the holy hell do you come up with strikeforce having a straight flush?
I was actually thinking about poker analogies for strikeforce the other day, and this is what I came up with: Strikeforce is like a player that has been playing good, patient poker, and then inexplicably goes all in with a mediocre hand when it just isn’t necessary.
by jacksiwel on Mar 5, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No freakshow for me
Im still going to Strikeforce. Those 3 fights will be much better.
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by _Felix_ on Mar 5, 2010 5:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sure they will, but that’s not the point.
by ufc4 on Mar 5, 2010 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, Strikeforce is the better card.
However, the only thing you’re gaining by going on CBS is access to the casuals. Amongst casuals, Kimbo dominates you with the only thing coming close to that kind of drawing power on the card is like King Mo with an actual advertising blitz behind him.
Short of doing a greatest hits of King Mo entrances, along with some victory vid + energy drink rain there is no way SF matches publicity and casual interest.
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We don't have a full UFC counter card yet so....
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 5, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
With most of the fighters already booked...
Between UFC on Versus/Fight Night GomivFlorian/UFC111/UFC112/UFC113
A lot of the bigger names are already booked, you might be able to move some of the prelims from these cards to another fight night, or even one of the opening fights, but I doubt you’re going to see the UFC cannibalize itself when it doesn’t need to.
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Hardcores are one thing, but casuals are another. Given a choice between watching Kimbo bang it out with Meathead, or a grappling hump fest with Shields, I’m sure the choice is easy for casuals, especially considering how Shields drove viewers away when he fought last time on CBS. It’s unfortunate, but it’s true.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
It’s all a matter of marketing. If CBS gives Strikeforce a promotional push its going to outdo Kimbo’s draw and Spike’s limited resources and bring the casuals in. going on past experiences though it doesn’t seem very likely.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
‘outdo Kimbo’s draw’
In Dana White’s world also known as the sport of MMA, such thing is impossible.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
A major network’s hype manufacturing > old youtube videos.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Just like they gave that huge promotional push to the last CBS card. If the major network card about promoting the card maybe, but CBS has shown no willingness to hype Strikeforce yet
A major network hyping MMA, that would be wish come true for the most of the community. But then again, if we are too reach this point, I think UFC will get to it first. Then Kimbo would still win.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
CBS getting in the middle of a UFC/Strikeforce war? really? No.
CBS isn’t going to throw a bunch of money at Strikeforce. Viacom owns both CBS and Spike.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 5, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think CBS already is by televising SF, but its not like they give a shit if SF goes down the drain though.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
CBS has a limit. The UFC/Strikeforce war is about to heat up.
They might step up advertising but they ratings have to match the investment. I just see them in it for the long run.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 5, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
So in sum, Strikeforce may have to move their event to the 24th, and no matter which date they choose they could still have a disaster if all three title fights go the distance, Zach Arnold:
Zach talks about the potential for the fights to run long, but I think the greater mess will be if they all run short. Since CBS/Showtime elect not to film prelims, there could be a lot of dead air time if two of those three title fights end early. How would CBS viewers react if the show they stayed in to watch on Saturday night ends at 10:30 rather than 11:00?
Sure the affiliates will be pissed if the card runs long, but better to piss off affiliates than to piss off the viewers at home.
yeah… it’s a double edged sword with little room for error. I dont know why they went with 3 title fights.
Is it too easy to answer that with; they are stupid? I mean, not filming prelim fights, scheduling three fights that could last over an hour in a two hour block. What else can you call it?
by sadface on Mar 5, 2010 11:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 5, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
This better reach at least 10 recs.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
To the right of reply is the “actions” button. That opens up options of “rec” or “flag”. then press “rec”.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Mar 5, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
siths use red sabers, they dont save things.
You’re such a nerd!!! I can’t believe you didn’t know that.
by Rayce. on Mar 5, 2010 6:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, I'll put 2 and 3 before 4. New hope is just a borefest.
RotS is easy top 3 stuff.
'Ello G'vnor!
Are you kidding me?
Over half of #2 is horrible romance, and the rest is shoddy CGI. None of it has the feel of the original trilogy. In fact, none of the prequels have the feel of the originals. The closest they come is at the end of part 3.
Part 3 is obviously the best of the prequels, but even that is lazy and weak. Anakin’s transition to the dark side is very poorly written. There is a lot of retarded droid humor. The wookies are also poorly used as well.
The way they should have done the prequels is like this: episode 1 and 2 should have been just one movie. Episode 2 should have been Anakin transitioning and turning. And episode 3 would be Darth Vader going out and hunting down the remaining Jedi.
But back on point, New Hope is an excellent film, with an excelent story structure (because Lucas stole it from A Kurosawa film). It also has better effects than even the new prequels. And why?
Because back then they used models, and real people. In the prequels it was all digital. It all looks like crap.
I can go on all day, but the bottom line is that any REAL Star Wars fans knows that the prequels are an abomination.
Reggie Miller?
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
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incorrect assessment
Unlike the UFC, which can sell low-watt cards based solely on that acronym, competing promotional entities are heavily reliant on personalities.
the ufc can sell a low watt card easily and still have a popular following because it’s laid the groundworks with the ultimate fighter reality show. serra/swick? kimbo/mitrione? all tuf alums. the ufc relies on personality just as much as anyone else.
That's the ultimate bitch slap.
Using the guy that knocked EliteXC out of business by losing to destroy your ratings.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
So will I, and not in a good way
It’s not happening. It’ll be second from the top to Wandy/Sexy.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
This might be out there but speculation seems to be fun…. Isn’t the WEC PPV titled UFC presents WEC 48?
If Strikeforce announces the move to the 24th to go head to head with the WEC PPV then the UFC could just scrap the Apr. 17 fight card and take the best fights and add them to the PPV going head to head with the Strikeforce show.
Just BE.
Coker is doing a fine job of spinning things:
Scott is a good guy, but Dana is not the only one that spins some yarns. Moving to the 24th would have a number of problems.
It would upset Showtime because of their boxing event.
SF uses Showtime’s production company for the events…the same company that is doing the boxing event on the 24th. Anyone want to image what the quality of the CBS show would be like with people that have never done one before?
On the 24th, SF would have less than 24 hours of access to the venue. There is a concert the night before. If SF took the event, they would have to use a new crew (because of Showtime boxing) and the logistics of new people and a smaller window of access would be a lot tougher.
They will meet on Monday? Tickets go on sale today. No way they move it after actually selling tickets. If they were moving it, they would have at least suspended the ticket sale date.
Part of the job is doing spin and Scott certainly has been doing that of late. This, saying SF and M-1 still have a strong relationship. I have also heard from a number of folk that there have indeed been talks about Jose Canseco.
God guy doesn't mean
shit in the business world. Dana business acumen > Coker business acumen.
Kimbo will be the only fight i'll be watching on the UFC that night,
Unless there are more great fighters like Wanderlei on the card.
"The left hand brings death, but the right one even I am afraid of."-Mariusz Pudzianowski
I’m happy because it would take Kimbo off the PPV slot and let a much more talented-but-unknown on the main card, hopefully. Kimbo is best used as a strategic ratings booster. If you need eyes to watch, throw him on the card. Imagine how much better 108 would have been (ratings-wise, if not talent) had he fought on it.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 5, 2010 7:31 PM EST reply actions
I do. Major downturn from Silva/Irvin
When they went up against Affliction.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
But I'm an idiot so I'll watch anyway.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
How can you
When it’s not announced, much less announced as the main.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
i have a problem with that, it sucks,
i defnianty will watch strikeforce for sureeeeeee
Why you crying? Promotions fight. We get more free fights. I’m good.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 5, 2010 7:44 PM EST reply actions
my problem is that if Slice does actually headline a UFC event it only shows how much of a hypocrite Dana White is.
Solution....WEC 48 switched to free against Strikeforce.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 5, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
This is just plain nasty
although if they can get away with it, hats off to them, I suppose.
This is clearly the most aggressive counterprogramming effort to date from the UFC. I’d be interested to see whether Strikeforce tries to enjoin the UFC from doing this. Although I’m not an anti-trust lawyer, I’d say that some sort of legal squabble isn’t out of the question . . . .
“Monopolization. “Monopolization” occurs when one firm deliberately destroys or impairs its rivals, so that it can acquire “monopoly power” over a particular line of goods or services that it sells. Monopoly power means the power to raise prices or reduce output for an indefinite duration without fear of being undersold by a rival who can offer a substitute good or service. Not every instance of monopoly power is unlawful. Some firms acquire it by superior skill or from fortuitous circumstance. It is a violation of antitrust laws, however, for one firm to employ measures whose purpose is to destroy its rivals so that it can acquire monopoly power over a certain line of goods or services. To prove monopolization, it is usually necessary to prove the “relevant product and geographic market” in which the monopolization is alleged to have occurred. "
It is called
competition. You can open a Hardees riht next to McDonalds if you so desire.
Get a chicken biscuit from Hardees, hash browns from McDonalds, and coffee from the Dunkin Donuts across the street
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
That’s either called “being impartial” or a “this is why you’re fat” entry in the making.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
LOL
Sounds like my poor wife. All4 kids want different shit. Last night she brought home a pizza, a taco salad, KFC and 3 plain McChickens. I just ate a bowl of chicken noodle soup.
I can't wait
for UFC to crush all competitors…then lose all incentive to keep pushing free shows like this one.
I mean, who wants extra MMA?
BOOSH
Exactly. A lot of the posters seem to be cheering the UFC on without realizing what happens if the UFC “wins” where “win” is defined as obliterating SF.
A lot of the cheering seems too ambiguous to come to that conclusion
I think people just love the theater of it all.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Which conclusion? That most of the people don’t realize that UFC win doesn’t necessarily equate to more quality product on a cost adjusted basis being produced? I’m guessing that at least half of the posters here do not realize this. To test my hypothesis: If anyone doesn’t fall into that camp, or thinks that SF’s death is actually pro-competitive and has a non-preposterous argument backing up that claim, please reply to this post.
The conclusion that people are rooting for that demise
More people seem inquisitive than bloodthirsty, in my estimation.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I know I am.
I’m also getting tanked at an open bar so everything but here seems interesting.
by John Nash on Mar 5, 2010 11:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention it’s one more option to keep fighters employed. This is far from something to cheer about.
by KING FEDOR on Mar 5, 2010 9:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Never gonna happen
There’ll always be another Strikeforce/IFL/Affliction/EXC/whatever. FEG already has plans to penetrate the US market (separate of their SF partnership).
Which is not to say I hope Strikeforce fails. I hope they reevaluate their direction and become stronger than they are now.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I sure hope so
I mean, UFC has the random Fight Night cards for free, but those are usually 10 TUF cast-offs fighting each other. Which is sometimes good; sometimes meh.
Cards like this, I guess I will call them “emergency counter-programming” cards, are the ones I don’t want to see go bye bye.
BOOSH
It's 8 actually. The UK tape delay cards are the ones with 10 TUF castoffs and electrifying main events such as Sanchez/Stevenson.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
lol good point
it is nice to have stirkeforce around for this reason., it gives us extra mma and free mma
that is sarcasm right?
sometime u never know
It is very ironic
When it seems like Kimbo would be killing another CBS sponsored organization. We always thought it was going to be Fedor/M1, but the Dana/Ferguson combination is a much more dangerous pair.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
depends how you want to spin it.
You could argue that the m1/SF “negotiations” put them in a much weaker position by being unable to put Fedor on this card
Competition is good
And there are a lot of investors that are interested in MMA (both domestically and internationally). Even if Strikeforce falters, the next group of interested parties will mount for the next charge against Zuffa’s ivory tower. MMA is still in its infancy, which some people seem to neglect. If Strikeforce goes up in flames, there’ll be others laying in wait. Market share is growing, unlike pro wrestling, when WCW’s demise came at a time when overall business was in decline. MMA in the US just keeps getting bigger.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I actually think Bellator has a decent future.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Shit yes they do
They’ve got the perfect model and I’m really interested in what they’re doing. They could very likely be the number two org this time next year.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
true dat
but….
while still in its infancy the UFC is ridiculously huge and powerful ( in terms of mma leagues)
with the UFC branching out globally I wouldnt be surprised if in 10 years it is the “NFL” “NBA” etc of mma leagues. I don’t see anybody overtaking them.
"Live fast, die."
They do not put on a bad live show either. I attended two live cards last year and I have to say the production and energy (crowdwise) blew the Strikeforce Miami card away that I saw.
Here's the plan:
We kill Strikeforce, and then hold the world ransom for…
ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Having MMA on network TV in general is good for the sport and good for the UFC in the long run. The ratings for the CBS show will just be fodder for the “sport snobs” at ESPN if the UFC sounter programs Strikeforce
Nah
They don’t discuss such things on those shows.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Less than ideal ratings, though?
Never seen that mentioned.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Kimbo trying to outsell the SF by himself
Kimbo already pulled better #s than Fedor-Rogers. If he beats out the NAshville card, he’ll have outdrawn all of SF by himself.
Kimbo outdraws everybody in the UFC by himself. You could have GSP vs. Anderson the same night, and a Kimbo fight would get better numbers.
No, it wouldn't
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Yes, it would
…it really would. That just goes to show you the drawing power Kimbo has.
Kimbo vs Toney >>> Anderson vs GSP. That just goes to show you that you don’t have to be the best fighter amongst the pack to bring in numbers. That just goes to show you the direction most MMA heads are turned in. It’s still a spectacle more than a sport.
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Who said anything about Toney?
His assertion is that Kimbo-anything would outdraw Anderson/GSP on free TV. No, it wouldn’t.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I'd watch the real fight
then for the rest of my life I would make fun of the morons who watched the backyard BBQ fight
this is hilarious
by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 7, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think the majority of MMA fans will tell you that the Strikeforce card is way more compelling, and their best move is to mess with the WEC ppv numbers.
Way more compelling than what?
That was a pretty ambiguous comment.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
CBS Strikeforce >> WEC PPV
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