Vadim Finkelstein Says Fedor Emelianenko Will Fight "Most Likely in May"
by Nick Thomas on Mar 4, 2010 3:45 PM EST
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In an interview with mmanews.su:
Q: Hello, Vadim, could you confirm the rumors that the fight has been postponed because of financial issues and might not take place at all?-- translation thanks to TMR
VF: Hello, the problem isn't there. The fight will take place. We're planning on showing the bout in over 100 countries. For all of that to go smoothly we had to postpone the event. Unfortunately I do not know the date yet. It's most likely going to be in early May. The bout is also postponed because of some other contract issues. Obviously there are always disagreements and technical questions, but everybody deals with those.
Q: Gegard Mousasi has recently announced that he has left M-1 Global. Do you still work with him and his manager, Apy Echteld?
VF: Mousasi has never had a contract with M-1. If that was the case, he would not have been able to simply leave the organization. Where did he go? He still has his contracts with Strikeforce and Dream. M-1 was helping him grow. Mousasi has always been friends with us and Fedor and in return we were helping him go forward. His action was a surprise to me. I plan on meeting with him next week and finding out what's wrong. We used to say that Mousasi is an M-1 fighter, because he was starting in our organization. I'm sure that on our M-1 Challenge and M-1 Selection tournament he will not be the only fighter of that level.
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I believe the part about him fighting in May considering that yesterday I was telling you all that it was all but resolved and that Fedor would be fighting Werdum in May.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 4, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Question, i think nottheface asked this but I dontt know if was answered. Do you think the renegotiation of Fedor/M1 deal was because of Mousasi leaving? It was once reported that when Fedor fights, Mousasi have to fight as well as on the same card, so its just seems logical that they have to redo the contract since Mousasi is not w/ M1 anymore?
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I believe it was mentioned in a response to something I wrote, but according to Coker that clause was never in Moussasi’s contract although Moussasi believed it was
yah, I understand Coker denied that there was a clause like that but I would lean on Gegard on this, I dont see why Mousasi had to lie about it.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
Maybe that is what he was led to believe. All this is just speculation, but M1 does not have the best reputation when it come to fulfilling contracts
I understand since we dont have the actual contract we can only speculate. But when Mousasi said “So when he fights, I will fight too”, its hard to believe that it was a simple misunderstanding. Something as important as that, I would like to think Mousasi has to check w/ his manager and/or contract.
I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand
But he DID fight without Fedor
He fought Babalu without Fedor on the card.
Well they obviously aren’t true because he’s fighting without Fedor again and there seems to be nothing of a contract with M-1 soo…
The problem is I don’t think there’s any such thing as “all but resolved” with M-1, either it is or it isn’t and until it is there’s always a chance that something could go wrong.
by ufc4 on Mar 4, 2010 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"We're planning on showing the bout in over 100 countries"
Yeah, sure you are pal. How can anyone believe a word coming out of this guy’s mouth?
by William Wilson on Mar 4, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/M-1-Fedor-Rogers-Watched-by-Over-25-Million-21214
"The fight was also broadcast in Fedor’s native Russia by ‘Channel 1,’ Russia’s largest television network, and reached 16 million viewers in Fedor’s home country. In addition, ‘Fedor vs. Rogers’ was broadcast to millions of viewers in Korea on SBS, one of the three major national South Korean networks, as well as television networks in China, Latin America, United Kingdom, New Zealand, Ukraine, Finland, Africa, Turkey, Israel, Indonesia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Malta. Live internet streams of the ‘Fedor vs. Rogers’ bout generated ground-breaking viewer numbers in Japan and all over the world and these numbers continue to grow through Video on Demand."
Fedor vs Rogers was shown in a bunch of countries…
I think that 16 million viewers in Russia is very much in question? At least I think I remember reading a couple articles disputing that figure.
Just BE.
Yeah, promoters will promote, but M-1 does have a bunch of TV deals…
http://www.m-1global.com/lang/en/tv-schedule/
100 out of about 200 countries on the planet would be very impressive.
Especially for a sport like MMA.
M-1 might actually be making good money on it’s broadcasts. They seem obsessed with keeping it’s own territories to broadcast as part of their co-promotion agreement. Russia and it’s neighbors, South Korea, Japan, and parts of Eastern Europe could add up to a lot of money even if they weren’t amounts south of what WVR is getting.
So why are the squabbling
over nickels with Strikeforce and worried about co promotion? Shouldn’t they just have asked for all the TV rights to Strikeforce cards outside the US?
If gegard never had a contract, how is it they were doing the deal for him after Affliction’s collapse and how was he contractually obliged to appear on the same shows as Fedor? I seriously doubt that M1 will find a fighter as good as Moussasi again
by Loco Chewy on Mar 4, 2010 3:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
and why did he fly all the way to Kansas City to do an exhibition with Fedor under the M-1 banner?
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by keyboardwarrior on Mar 4, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
That wasn't true....
That thing about him being obligated to the same cards as Fedor was just a rumor.
He fought Babalu on a card that did not feature Fedor.
by xfreekx on Mar 4, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It wasn't a rumor...
Gegard himself stated that to Ariel Helwani. Scott Coker denied it.
Most likely, that provision was never in any contract, but M-1/Vadim/Apy told Gegard that was the case to keep some control over him. Heck, it may be part of the reason Gegard made a point of saying he left M-1.
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So, you are saying xfreekx is correct, he wasn’t contractually obliged, which is what the rumor was.
The quote from the article is:
Mousasi noted that his contract states he can only compete on the same Strikeforce shows that feature his fellow M-1 Global fighter, Fedor Emelianenko.
Mousasi should know…
most fighters don’t read their contract word for word…fyi I am sure his manager wanted him to only be on those shows, which make the most money, obviously, but once again, Coker said that wasn’t true, and Coker should know.
That doesn't mean he is the only person able to talk to Mousasi.
Obviously Mousasi got the information from somewhere or he was intentionally misleading the press.
Also, Apy Echteld made that comment after Mousasi had reportedly left M-1 and states nothing about how the situation was previously.
Apy was the person being accused of lying to Mousasi when that whole M-1 lied to Mousasi scandal happened.
That was the initial accusation against M-1 (Apy). Mousasi later said everything was fine so who knows.
contractually obliged to appear on the same shows as Fedor
Like many things you read on the internet, this was never true.
When Mousasi made that statement it becomes an issue if he said / she said.
Check the link in Gygax’s comment .
Mousasi noted that his contract states he can only compete on the same Strikeforce shows that feature his fellow M-1 Global fighter, Fedor Emelianenko.
So either Mousasi or Vadim is lying or wrong…
Echteld, who spoke via telephone from Amsterdam, declined to name the executive who had rejected the offer. Echteld also said he was the only party holding a management agreement with Mousasi.
...and how does that prove either Vadim or Mousasi was not incorrect or lying?
If anything it confirms as much.
Also, Apy Echteld made that comment after Mousasi had reportedly left M-1 and states nothing about how the situation was previously.
Can we say Russian Mob-esque?
Mousasi has never had a contract with M-1. If that was the case, he would not have been able to simply leave the organization.
by ChillMike on Mar 4, 2010 3:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, just like the UFC is the mafia
because Randy was not “able to simply leave the organization.”
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by pdl on Mar 4, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
excellent point
When was the last time any fighter was just able to walk away from their contract? Randy? Rampage? We can all thank BJ for that.
Exactly.
That’s the point of a contract. To establish a binding relationship with a contractor. People need to stop grasping at straws to bitch about every single thing related to M1 or Fedor. It cheapens discussion.
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by pdl on Mar 4, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
M-1 had been acting as Mousasi’s manger and he apparently walked away from that.
I have always believed fight contracts and management contracts are two different things.
Randy had an exclusive fight contract with the UFC and the UFC was not managing him.
Just BE.
Apy Echteld may have the only formal written management agreement with Mousasi but from everything I have read the things M-1 was doing for him is what a manager would do for him. So whether there was a written agreement or not they were to some degree acting as a manager.
Just BE.
Yes…. I think. I believe he had no formal written agreement with M-1 that prevented him from walking away. But I believe M-1 was acting in the role of a manager in some negotiations and Mousasi ended that.
Just BE.
Yep. Formal or not, Mousasi had an agreement with M-1.
If he didn’t have an agreement how could any of this make sesne:
a) Mousasi ended the agreement
b) What M-1 could provide for him was not what Gegard and me had in mind ~ Apy
c) M-1 was helping him grow ~ Vadim
"I plan on meeting with him next week"?
Almost a month after Mousasi jumps ship? Kind of missed the boat on that one, I feel.
Get rid of the ramp!
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by IHateMMA on Mar 4, 2010 4:39 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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