Quote of the Day: James Toney Trainer Juanito Ibarra Wants Kimbo Slice
by Kid Nate on Mar 4, 2010 2:07 PM EST
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"James Toney will fight anybody. It's up to us to help him figure things out. What I would like to see and what his manager would like to see...Kimbo Slice.
"It makes sense. The weight factor makes sense. Maybe a 220 [lbs.] fight somewhere in there. Two guys who have great names. I would love to see that fight ...I think that's a great opponent ...hopefully the UFC would consider something like that."
James Toney's trainer Juanito Ibarra talking to Bleacher Report.
[UPDATE] by Nick Thomas - Kimbo Slice's manager welcomes James Toney fight but says nothing is currently in works:"Slice's absence (from the UFC 113 event page) does not mean he has other plans."HT: mmajunkie.com
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Sure he wants Kimbo. Its big money and the easiest win to cash ratio that can be had.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
by szucconi on Mar 4, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I like Juanito but couldn’t Toney find a trainer that would teach him something about the ground? or Kicks? or Takedown defense?
…. i was going to make a side check kick joke, but this is really starting to get old.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
People are so focused on that that they’ve really overlooked the gold that is James’ dad being an original death fighter.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 4, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
he’s got to many quotes, that and offensive quotes. you know the fight wont hit the ground because
They talking about ground game? That don’t mean nothing to me dog. Number one, I ain’t going to allow none of them boys to lay on top of me like a lil’ f*g, you know what I’m saying? I ain’t going to the ground; that ain’t happening, you know what I’m saying?
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
He most likely has not skills to prevent it and less skills to get up. Like a Kongo very early in his career, but with less wrestling and kicks. Well, and tons more power and I would think less gas.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
in his defense Chael has said things just as bad. fewer people had a problem with it though.
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
by Orcus on Mar 4, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is false.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
This is clearly not the same thing. Do you have something against Chael?
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
I’m assuming you’re saying it’s not the same because he didn’t use the F word? Based on that assumption, would not using the F word somehow makes it ok? He’s definitely throwing the idea that BJJ is gay and at the same time making himself appear homophobic. The substance of what he’s saying is just as bad as using the F word himself.
I have nothing against Chael (or Toney), I myself think both him and Toney are using these tactics as a hype mechanism, but if you’re going to have a problem with one than you should also have a problem with the other.
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
The way Chael said it came off as a joke though.
“I’m a Republican, we don’t stand for that sort of indecency. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!”
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by pdl on Mar 4, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
HI, IAM ORCUS. I defend a guy who says ground game is for fags, but have a problem with a guy making a joke about bottom game. A guy who is known for his ground game and is a life long wrestler. ORCUS.
Seriously, examine what you are saying and maybe watch your own video again. Sure Toney is trying to incite some shit, but Cheal is just making a joke. They are not the same on any level.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
“In his defense”? How does the fact that Chael is equally stupid make things better for Toney? Key word being “stupid”.
did you just read the first part of that sentence and left the rest out?
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
Did you think before you wrote that sentence? If your point was that people are hypocrites, why call it “in his defense”? Quite redundant, don’t you think?
no
in his defense there are other fighters who say the same thing, he’s not saying something that hasn’t been said by others in the MMA world before. I see nothing wrong with what I wrote there, but hey, if you are really going to go after this on a literal level, I give in. it’s a pointless debate IMO. peace…
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
What a cop out
Why wouldn’t I mark words when words express meaning? So what if people have said stupid shit before? If you repeat stupid shit it’s still – guess what – stupid shit.
Nevertheless, him being quoteable rests more on his absurd argument for why he’s not going to get taken/held down than on his homophobia. Amirite?
of course not, does he really believe he can’t get taken down? I don’t think he does, he’s saying things to get people fired up, which is working. The same thing Chael is doing as of late. Sure, if he repeats stupid things, they don’t stop being stupid, but I’m in no outrage over it, I can see through his BS. I still want to see both him and Chael get their asses handed to them for saying these things, they are responsible for their mouths, but I am in no outrage over what they are saying. Hype 101 as I see it.
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
The problem being, all his training in life so far depends on a man standing on his feet. Take a round man past 90 degrees into a realm he is not used to, and he will likely panic.
Some people think I am a dumb, ugly human being, but really I am a beautiful ape, with exceptional verbal skills.
unless his opponent gets sylvia’d. and by that i mean super fat and fighting in an unsanctioned fight in alabama against a washed up boxer and gets KO’d in 5 seconds.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
He’s already got his daddy for that.
by Polyhedron on Mar 4, 2010 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
given that Juanito works with both boxing and MMA fighters, I personally think it’s a good move on Toney’s part.
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
shouldn’t you be watching corinthians botafogo?
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 4, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
ha
I’m following the results online, I only watch games from my team or national team :p
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
what site do you use to follow it? soccnet doesn’t have it, i am using soccerway but it kind of sucks
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 4, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
sim obrigado
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 4, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
btw
on that video on the right side you can see the best plays, while they happen they upload them.
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
thanks, it’s blocked at my work though. :(
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 4, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
come on botafogo!@
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 4, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Dana's word means nothing
He called Kimbo a freakshow the entire time he was in Elite XC and Kimbo is now in line for a main card fight. He talks trash about Toney and then signs him.
Put him in with Kimbo. That’s exactly the circus fight he was brought to participate in. This is a joke.
This is catergorically false. Dana has spoken with nothing but respect for Toney through this whole thing.
by Worldisart on Mar 4, 2010 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Before he signed him:
"There are a lot of guys out there from boxing that call me but it never made sense. You’re a guy I respect."
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
Dana is a promoter. Promoters…promote.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Yeah, I don’t know why people still expect any sort of truth from a promoter. They’re nothing but spindoctors. Anything Dana says always has to be taken with a grain of salt. Or a ton of it.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
There is two exceptions to that though.
When it’s a slow news day and someone wants to write a story about it.
Also in the comment section of every MMA website known to man.
In both those cases the grain of salt can either be taken or completely ignored for the sake of a good story or a good argument.
Just BE.
I think what alot of people are missing here is how much everyone is talking about this now, as opposed to 2 days ago when we were all talking about Fedor, Strikeforce, and all that was being put together for their upcoming cards. Dana is a genius, look how much attention he has garnered from one signing.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
I’m glad that Juanito and Toney’s manager want Kimbo. I want a pile of money and my damn degree finished, but we can’t get everything we want.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
“And I’d like a toilet made out of solid gold but its not in the cards now is it?”
lol
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 4, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Toney vs Kimbo
It is…inevitable.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 4, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
And it’ll probably be as horrible as the fight in Matrix Revolutions
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Mar 4, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if him wanting Kimbo has anything to do with the fact that he know’s Kimbo is not a true mixed martial artist and has little to no ground game?
Ding ding ding ding ding!
Tell him what he’s won, Bob!
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 4, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Against Toney he’ll get the double leg and then Toney will give up his back for the RNC.
by Polyhedron on Mar 4, 2010 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I... uh... christ.
Kimboplex please?
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That looks choreographed.
Ive seen more realistic throws in G.L.O.W.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
Choreographed or not
It was awesome.
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@deowade
For real.
Houston got rag dolled there. He could have separated his shoulder the way he landed on it…would have been a way better finish.
by HappyLittleTreez on Mar 4, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
That is a straight up WWE finishing move.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Nah
gotta get the hook in there and make it a Fisherman’s Suplex
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
it was a Rock Bottom Suplex
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Damn, son
Someone must have pissed in your coffee today. Also, the Paul Harris gif below above my post is a thing of gotdamn beauty.
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
Dont drink coffee
Wrong again. Keep trying. I’ll keep time. Ready…Go!!!
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
I say give him Big Country!
It would be like Jimmerson vs. Royce only… with bellies lol.
by Rayce. on Mar 4, 2010 1:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
LOL @ Dana the hypocrite.
Kind of hard to believe this fight would happen right now. Dana isn’t done milking Kimbo & he hasn’t even begun to milk Toney.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
I just think its a bad situation all around. Never shouldvs signed this guy… =/
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 4, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
too bad what you think means jackshit to Dana and the people who actually make decisions regarding the UFC and MMA. They shut all of us up from our Fedor speculating, and Stikeforce sucks talk. Now it’s Toney time. I’m tired of manufactured controversy, so i’m just wait til he fights
Kimbo vs. Toney is very hard to sell as a “come see this legitimate sporting event!”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 4, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
…but it’s very easy to sell as “come see the most awesome thing of all times!”
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Mar 4, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not to toot my own horn, but...
I broke the exclusive news yesterday in one of the threads that Kimbo’s fight had been pulled from UFC.com
Horn tooter!
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 4, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
How is that exclusive? My grandma coulda pulled up UFC.com and seen the fight is no longer listed.
by ufc4 on Mar 4, 2010 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
...I think it was a joke.
But feel free to get angry.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 4, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thank you for that clarification.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
This whole conversation is so clear.
by MauiPimpin on Mar 4, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His clarity is so clear.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Mar 4, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Very clear in his message
is Brent Brookhouse.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
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by pdl on Mar 4, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish
My grandma knew how to use the internet.
Wtf why isn’t he getting a wrestler or bjj Guy.I just read the meat head cancellation. This is lame. I don’t like kimbos myth being perpetrated. Although it does prove what a couple of months of bjj training will do . He can choke him for sure, if he boxes it will be “lights out”.
by Rayce. on Mar 4, 2010 1:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
WTF where is this imaginery bout agreement everyone is seeing for Kimbo/Toney?
by Worldisart on Mar 4, 2010 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For now it is just speculation until an official announcement.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
My point is people are freaking out on the basis of ZERO evidence that this fight is occuring.
by Worldisart on Mar 4, 2010 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, he's actually signed by the UFC.
And the boards blew up over Canseco in Strikeforce over much less credible / possible rumors.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Mar 4, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
There are a lot of people signed by the UFC, we could speculate endlessly about fights with nest to no basis for believing they will actually happen.
by Worldisart on Mar 4, 2010 4:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No evidence and jumping to conclusions are two of the three cornerstones of the “Internets”. The third is porn.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
by pud333 on Mar 4, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hmm, how do we get more of the mainstream media attn and eyeballs to watch UFC and consider MMA as a legit sport?
Compustrike stats? Nope!
Rankings? Nope!
Less douchey music? Hell no!
Better commentary? Pfft!
Better production with superslowmo replays? How much is that?
Be less WWEish? WTF is wrong with you?!!!
Provide an overall more professional look, feel and conduct? Do what?
Have the best Ref in the sport in Big John? That prick?!!
No! Lets get Kimbo and Toney in there! Freak fight FTW! Next up Dada50000000, bitches!
"I look down and boom! I kick 'im in his 'ead! I knew I ‘urt ‘im, when he said aarg" – GSP
I am totally a mma snob.
I feel like Couture is the only match that makes sense. Limbo is not martial artist or is a very new one to say the least. He will still win on the ground, but I feel like this does nothing to legitimize mma.
Atleast the douches in the bedazzled shirts will have something to be happy about at this ufc.
by Rayce. on Mar 4, 2010 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
None of that listed
Would get mainstream media to care. Mainstream media cares when they can make money covering the sport. No one is not watching because there isn’t rankings or compustrike. All would be nice but it doesn’t get eyeballs or mainstream media cover.
Remember it's called Ultimate FIGHTING
It’s Ultimate Fighting, not MMA so putting two guys who like to stand and throw together in the cage is fine by me. Slice-Toney would do huge ratings.
When did everyone become such an MMA snob and demand that every fighter be extremely well versed in every aspect of MMA? A good throw down is a good thing in my book.
by NateDouble on Mar 4, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Since Dana said he runs a sporting organization and hates freak shows.
That’s the real problem with this is that the UFC is held to a higher standard because, well, Dana set a higher standard for himself. He should live up to it. All this said, I’m not gonna knock him for this fight until it’s announced. I’d still be better than the “FUCK SCOTT COKER FOR MAKING WALKER VS. CANSECO!” fanboys, but not by enough.
And this is coming from somebody anxiously awaiting SUPER HLUK TOURNEY! part 2. I’m ok with some spectacle getting in my sport, just really prefer that it happens in Japan. That way when people try to criticize MMA, we can retort “Those guys buy used panties in vending machines to sniff while they watch tentacle porn. It’s not representative of the sport.”
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-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Mar 4, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think that is wh it took so long for Dana to agree to sit down with Toney. He thinks Toney isn’t just a straight forward boxer. At the same time he knows the public perception is that it would look like a freakshow. I think Dana has been trying to get more boxers to try to cross over to MMA. He is probably hoping this will get younger boxers to start training grappling and takedown defense and make the crossover to MMA. Recently MMA has been like going to the pros for more wrestlers and anything that would encourage more strikers to join will be a good thing.
Hopefully this will piss off some younger boxers after seeing Toney get worked over and motivate them to actually do the work to show that they can be competitive in a MMA rules fight.
Just went to ufc.com to see for myself
I woulda clicked on that “UFC Corner” thing if Arianny was nude. They should hire me as a marketing director.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Mar 4, 2010 1:59 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I can't believe it
but Kimbo’s advantage on the ground is going to be pretty big.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I don't mean to continue the speculation
but is this officially considered a Dream Fight?
I swear, if this DOES happen and if Kimbo wins, he gets my utmost, undisputed respect.
Make that bread
Looks like Dana is all about the $ this will bring in. Can’t say I blame him. This brings even more exposure. Throw in some actual talent and you got a card with more hype than UFC 100. As a matter of fact… I’d put this fight on Brock’s return card. Big things.
Kimbo/Mitrione was never on UFC.com to begin with. It hadn’t been officially announced yet.
http://www.twitter.com/TB_Money
It was announced on the last PPV...
but you are correct. It was never actually listed on their UFC 113 site. I wish people would pay attention to this fact before running wild with speculation.
by William Wilson on Mar 4, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
I saw it on there last week when I was going through my fantasy picks.
*sigh*
I’ve checked the site every freakin’ day (yes, I’m a geek) and they have never once had it up on UFC.com UFC 113 page. Maybe they had it on fantasy picks, but it has never, ever been on UFC.com’s UFC 113 page.
by William Wilson on Mar 4, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hate to break it to you...
but, while the UFC did officially announce Kimbo vs. Mitrione, they never actually had it up on the UFC 113 website. It has never been up there. So it couldn’t have been pulled.
ditto
This fight was confirmed but someone find the press release of this fight or grab an old screenshot when it was on there. It was never on there.
Look at everyone getting bent out of shape over a fight that has never been announced and most likely will never happen.
by Worldisart on Mar 4, 2010 3:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Kimbo vs Toney Is a great ppv draw for the UFC. I wouldn’t put it as a main event but I think the fight would look good on the Rampage vs Rashad card on the May 29th or The Lesnar title defence in July as both those fights seem to be shaking up as the next 2 main events for the Las Vegas cards and we all know that where this fight is going to take place.
It makes the most sense for James to fight Kimbo since any other big name fighter in the UFC would be able to take him down and outclass him on the ground with ease. Kimbo on the other hand might be able to take James down, but he has shown no submission skills and is the the biggest ppv draw that the UFC can match him with that Toney would be remotly close with in terms of ground skills.
Movies with MMA fighters in them make me sad.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
I never thought I would say it but...
Kimbo by Ground ‘n’ pound
I feel so…dirty
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