Randy Couture Wants the First Crack at James Toney
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LOL
Yeah, because Randy Couture, one of the best MMA strategists of all time is going to try and throw hands with a former boxing champ.
Like the other guy said, if they fought it would be clinch control, takedown, GnP, & either a sub or stoppage. Honestly, one of the worst matchups possible for Toney. I see the UFC putting Toney against Kimbo or maybe a brawler like McSweeney.
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by ElliotMatheny on Mar 4, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah
if they make this fight, it would be too one sided and end quickly (and a freakshow IMO). Toney needs someone with basic to no ground game knowledge for him to at least have a chance.
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
No
I’m sorry, but Randy vs. Toney could be competitive, both fighters are mostly 1 dimensional. Putting a striker in with James just to see him swing for the fences is deliberately favoring him, heavily, and creating a freak show.
by Patrick John McGreevy on Mar 4, 2010 7:03 AM EST up reply actions
Speechless at Randy’s alleged one-dimensionality. In MMA, and in comparison to Toney, Randy is in the eighth dimension somewhere.
Being overrated is overrated.
In comparison
To most fighters in the UFC really, Randy is one dimensional.
You didn’t hear a single person raving about how he was going to pick Brandon Vera apart on the feet, and if Randy Couture ever pulled guard I’m pretty sure all of us would collectively shit our pants.
I overstated it a bit however. If you compare Randy to the general level of high competition in the UFC, he’s one dimensional, although I suppose it may be more of a case of him simply preferring to solely use that one dimension.
by Patrick John McGreevy on Mar 4, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I imagine Toney has pretty weak takedown defense…but that’s why they fight. Randy wouldn’t stand and bang with Toney, that’s a given. He would eat Toney alive on the ground, if anything Randy is still a high level wrestler. This would be a very bad matchup for him and a very good matchup for Randy. Toney wouldn’t know what to do if he had to finish a downed opponent. I can’t imagine he will be anywhere as good in shape as Couture…not even close.
Have him fight Tito
Would be some crazy trash talking and a great opportunity for Tito to GnP his way to a victory. That’s if James will even fight at 205.
Even better...
Have Chael Sonnen come up in weight for the craziest trash talk ever in MMA.
by Roll for Life on Mar 4, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Just think about it like this: Randy Couture who is a light heavyweight kept Lesnar against the cage and even took down Brock Lesnar who is humongous. Imagine how easy it would be for Randy to take down and just smother James Toney.
And then remember when Coture barely got clipped by lesnar and got TKO’d? Randy is so overrated right now its ridiculous. All Randy can do anymore is lay and pray a decision.
That wasn’t the point of my post at all. Of course, Couture ended up losing. The point was that if Couture was able to take Lesnar down and do his smothering game against the cage even for just a round against Lesnar, then he should have no problem doing the same against Toney. Think about it, against a novice like Toney, if Randy takes him to the ground, what’s stopping him from doing some GnP, and who knows if Toney will give up his back (which is a very novice thing to do in BJJ). Toney isn’t some higher level mixed martial artist (boxer maybe, but not mixed martial artist).
Randy is the perfect guy to introduce Toney to the MMA world. Randy is older than toney. which helps toney save some face and the dirty boxing against the cage and then a take down would be sweet to watch. Toney would defiantly leave with new respect for the sport after going in there with a veteran like Randy.
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damn
if there’s anyone i’d like to be the representative for mma in an mma vs boxing type match like this, randy would be the guy. his professionalism would go along way towards selling the sport to first time viewers.
I'm already tired of hearing about James Toney.
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by pud333 on Mar 4, 2010 1:00 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
From Kevin Iole's twitter:
Dana said [Toney is] gonna fight 205. Toney said he wants to fight heavyweight. We’ll see who wins that
i got my money on a catch weight lol
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
Watch Toney come in at 170 thinking the weight classes in boxing and mma are the same.
'Ello G'vnor!
Toney hasn't
been below 220 since 2003. He’s a tremendous fatass. 205 will be tough.
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How in the fuck is James Toney going to cut to 205? Have you guys seen how big (fat) he is? He’s probably closer to the 265 side of the HW spectrum even.
Toney is 5’10. He looks big because of his humongous head.
by dancingChicken on Mar 4, 2010 5:07 AM EST up reply actions
idk about randys chin in this
say what u will but everytime randys gotten hit recently its looked like hes been about to go out so having him fight a boxer isnt the best idea
i still think randys gonna kill him but the last thing id want is to see toney ko randy
Sifting through the 600+ comments on Toney
All I could think about is how Randy would be his first opponent. In my mind, this is a done deal.
To everyone that just loves to hate Zuffa:
James Toney will flikely fight Randy Couture. Walker fought Greg Nagy. Please shut up.
Throwing this out there
Remember Luke’s comment (paraphrasing) “I just heard who Randy’s next opponent is and I can’t believe it”.
you know espn will run with this. they are a big boxing network.
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
Not going the freakshow route
I know Dana throws shit out there but what bout would legitimize this signing more than Randy Couture? I’m not a Randy fan but he is far and away the best ESPN sell as well as the fight I’d like to see the most against Toney.
this is actually a bout espn and the media would fall in love with
i can just imagine lou dibella, bob arum and all those old boxing assholes saying how toneys gonna kill randy and all the around the horn and pti guys agreeing
then randy comes out takes him down and beats the fuck outta him and mma fans everywhere laugh their asses off
by milk72 on Mar 4, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i agree it will get alot of attention
but i kind of want to see him fight someone who will bang with him, although randy sometime might get caught up in a slug fest, HIs best strategy will be to take him down.
James Toney will flikely fight Randy Couture. Walker fought Greg Nagy. Please shut up.
Can you link me to Hershel Walker’s Boxrec page? I can’t find it.
by Chris Nelson on Mar 4, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That's why it works
Mainstream attention, as well as one of the very few mainstream names that would be fighting Toney.
I would just hope to hell that Randy goes straight for that single leg and doesn’t mess around with exchanging. God forbid he loses this potential fight. If Sylvia-Mercer was bad, boxing fans and mainstream media would never forgive this one.
I know if Randy MMA’d him, he would win.
Of course Randy would move up 10 places in the rankings after beating Toney. No doubt earning another title shot.
Big fights
Is what Randy does. He’s made a living off of it. That’s why his record sucks but he gets title shots.
While I don’t think beating James Toney should solidify a title shot let me make this point:
Randy’s career is like every great boxer ever (after they make a name). If you want a good measuring stick, look at a boxers fights against legit opponents. Julio Cesar Chavez won 100+ fights but what was his record against fighters as good as him? After a quick glance, I have it 1-3-1. .Anyone can go 30-0 against scrubs but what does he do in big fights? Randy has been in prize fights since fight #1, hence, that not so sexy 18-10 record.
His boat has sailed imo and I know you’re making a solid attempt at humor but are you refering to the getting the Sylvia fight? I love how people point to how fighters are undeserving of title fights when they WON THE FIGHT. Just like Lesnar skipped building his resume of fighting fat people in local shows. If he beat up 30 Ross Clifton’s would that make his title shot vs Couture legit? Lesnar was ready to fight for that title. You can tell by how he won the title.
by Wonderlic on Mar 4, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I wish I could rec twice for
Lesnar was ready to fight for that title. You can tell by how he won the title.
by Tedd Welch on Mar 4, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The problem with skipping over having at least a decent fight-record on your resume is that MMA, like other sports, is a strange beast. Anyone can be beaten by anybody on any given night, whether it’s because the other guy was fighting hurt or he had a freak injury (torn ACL/LCL/MCL, etc..). It just legitimizes a championship match (and thereby the title for which is being fought for) if the challenger can claim to have faced a plethora of real contenders on his way to facing the champion.
Brock apologists hate to admit it, but it wouldn’t have been the worst-case scenario if he fought at least a few more guys on his way to the title-shot.
It wouldn’t have, but that doesn’t mean that him not having those fights was the worst case scenario.
Brock skipping ahead to the title shot was a very big reason why Randy came back when he did. People keep acting like brock or Dana are the only one’s that had a hand in that decision, but Randy came back to fight Brock. that’s what makes it the right choice.
That would be an excellent fight
Randy’s older, so boxing guys can’t make the ’Toney’s so old’ excuse. Although ring-age doesn’t quite work like that but whatever.
I would be interested in seeing how Toney does with his back to the cage. Will his boxing be able to match Randy’s dirty boxing? Obviously on the ground it’s no contest, so let’s see them fight in out in a neutral territory, on the fence, but standing.
Method to Dana's madness,,,,,,,,
Look people……. Dana let that BIG mouth douchebag into the UFC for a reason. To teach that fat bastard a lesson!! Toney’s been talking alot of trash on the net making video blogs calling out Dana and saying he’s scared to let him in the UFC. Ok Toney…….Dana has granted your wish now the pain shall begin for you because Dana is going to match you up with real fighters. Let’s see there’s Brock , Lidell, Couture, I even dare to say Ortiz. and I don’t like Ortiz because he sucks. But he can beat Toney. I can’t wait to see the after fight interviews with toney when he loses every fight in his short UFC career. Toney will be humbled by the time he is fired by DANA!! Can’t wait!!
I hope so
This is the strategy I want to see. Will Dana throw him to the wolfs and make a statement or try and cash in on him feeding him cans. After losing in embarrassing fashion on the ground he will complain no one will stand with him and degrade MMA.
teach toney a lesson
I have to say that Dana was getting tired of his big mouth and Dana will feed him to the wolves and get rid of him and make a point. Don’t f*ck with DANA!!
toney vs anderson silva at 205
It would be fun to see anderson silva play around with him and eventually knock him out. It would also make a big statment, that a middle wight came up and beat a heavyweight at his own game in mma.
by #1 piggy on Mar 4, 2010 1:50 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
That would be pretty damn great.
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Didn’t Anderson SIlva throw out the idea of fighting at HW at one time? Anderson walks around at about 220, he is plenty big enough to fight Toney at HW.
yes he said he wanted to fght frank mir
but dana white wont let him until he cleans out the 205 div first.
Randy's latest tweet:
It’d crazy bit if I could be any one it would bhramaputra me . I love my everything o get to do . Hope to fight toney soon
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 4, 2010 2:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i have no idea what he is saying, except for the last part..lol
by sadface on Mar 4, 2010 2:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see Toney taking Randy down and pounding him out with hammer fists. Toney will avoid Randy’s boxing and shoot for the double leg. Maybe even an Osoto Gari or Drop Seoi-Nagi. From there, it’s all Toney. Hip and neck control straight to the easy sub over Randy.
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 4, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
no
try a head switch fly pucnh to an olly 180 kick slap
Fedor with a gun... ULTIMATE DANGER!!!
by Spinning Fat Kick on Mar 4, 2010 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
This could be good, if Toney wins he beats a true (albeit slightly slower) MMA star. If Mirko wins, it would give his career the kickstart it’s been waiting for, not to mention huge mainstream exposure!
Whoever gets him is going to have a great payday on their hands! As for the notoriety that comes with it, well, it’s no wonder so many are keen to throw their names into the hat!
Randy
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I want Toney to suffer.
If he wants to fight at HW, give him Velasquez. This wont prevent Cain from future important fights as I would expect a 15 minute non stop GnP. Fuck, I cant get the reason why does the UFC have to sign TOney. WTF?!
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PPV buys and mainstream media attention
The number of people who will buy this just to see Randy slap him around will be huge. Randy loves it because he’ll get a cut of the PPV money and likely Toney will too.
People already mentioned ESPN (who are Uk partners with the UFC) will give this lots of coverage. I think Dana would love for a fight like this to legitimize MMA in some people’s eyes. Having a hall of fame ex-football player is one thing but an MMA fighter beating a boxing (and technically current heavyweight) champ is another.
And if Toney actually wins? Dana will turn around and say ‘See, I told you ****ers this wasn’t a ****ing freakshow!’ They line up the night big name to fight him and laugh all the way to the bank.
by Roll for Life on Mar 4, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
thats what they said.about.mma in the late 90's
Dana knows a Guy in Nevada. They talk every once and awhile
by Rayce. on Mar 4, 2010 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
whats that guys name?
He is on the athletic commission, Fer… Ferrol….. no no that’s not it.
by Rayce. on Mar 4, 2010 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rampage Vs Toney?
That would be a crazy war for sure!
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