Why Would the UFC Sign James Toney?
It certainly isn't because he's a world-class MMA fighter. So what could be the potential reasons? Let's run through the most likely possibilities:
1. Like the UFC did with Shamrock vs. Ortiz 1 and Royce Gracie vs. Hughes, the UFC will on occassion book mismatches to prove a point about the latest iteration of top-shelf MMA fighters competing when there is public misperception. In both the case of Shamrock and Gracie, there was a lingering belief among casuals that their era of competitors and their skill sets were tantamount to the most evolved, most technical fighters of the present day. White & Co. knew bettern but had to prove the most recent UFC product was the best. Boxing has had something of a resurgence or at least re-popularization of late although even without the resurgence the overall point of boxing vs. MMA (even though the odds are hardly fair) still holds sway. With the booking of the first major boxer to crossover into the MMA "big leagues", the UFC could be attempting to make an example of what is highly likely to be Toney's absymal MMA skill set.
2. The Herschel Walker effect. As White has curiously remarked (it makes perfect sense to me), ESPN and many in the traditional sports establishment still won't pay attention to MMA or the UFC, yet will when one of their favorite sons from another, more established sport gets in the mix. Toney is hardly as beloved as Walker, but the interesting mix of a former high-level boxer throwing his hat in the (ostensibly) top shelf MMA ring creates a new magic worthy of eyeballs from the same group. And if we refer to the first point, with their attention and a likely butchering of Toney at the hands of what should be a more than competent wrester, White could be killing two birds with one stone.
3. I don't find this particularly likely, but White could actually be curious about Toney's ability. Greg Savage Tweeted that Toney has been working (albeit on fundamentals) with Juanito Ibarra in recent weeks. In fact, I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears Dana White tell Chad Dukes and Lavar Arrington Toney had been training in secret for quite some time. For anyone who takes elite-level MMA training seriously that still doesn't mean much of anything, but who knows what machinations lurk in the hearts of MMA fight promoters?
As for his ability with respect to MMA, he has none commensurate with the UFC. Even with his hands I'm curious to see what he can do. I'm sure he's got KO power, but so what? Lots of UFC heavyweights or light heavyweights do. Toney's shoulder rolling style was never really predicated on power to begin with and doesn't necessarily seem that helpful among boxing styles to translate over to MMA. He throws short punches, uses a lot of trunk movement and makes guys miss with clever slips, but if no one plans on standing within punching range, who cares? And if he presents what's sure to be sub-King of the Cage level takedowns, subpar submission defense and other requisite components of a MMA game, his former world-class hands are going to mean nothing.
We can speculate ad infinitum about what the UFC is trying to do. We'll find out soon enough. As for Toney, his motives are more transparent. Scott Christ of Bad Left Hook opines:
[UPDATE] by Nick Thomas - Dana White calls "James Toney is a legend":That's what UFC is signing. A faded, 41-year-old boxer whose mouth has long surpassed his in-ring ability, and who hasn't beaten a decent opponent in four years, not counting the Oquendo scoring debacle. He's also failed two drug tests in the last five years.
By no means is James Toney a bad boxer, even now. He's still got the sort of frustrating style that can give a lot of guys problems, and there are guys in my own boxing heavyweight top 10 I'd give him a very good chance to beat.
But will he translate to MMA? It's unlikely. I don't think he's that guy.
It's also hard to ignore that Toney has flat-out run out of boxing paydays. Part of it, as his promoter Dan Goossen says, is that a lot of guys want nothing to do with James. I buy that. Again, he's still got annoying skills, plus he's not selling to TV networks anymore, isn't worth a lot of money, and has been largely out of the spotlight since the Peter rematch. With no avenues open in boxing at age 41, UFC really might be worth a crack for James.
"A lot of pro boxers have made a lot of noise about how they would do in mixed martial arts, but nobody on the level of a James Toney has been willing to back up his talk," said White. "He’s a legend whose boxing record speaks for itself, and he’s a guy who I’ve got a lot of respect for. Now he’s got every intention of matching that success in MMA, and I think he’s got the right attitude – let’s see if he can do it."
An opponent and date for Toney’s UFC debut has not been determined, and will be announced at a later date.
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Put him against Kongo.
Milk the hook that dropped him during the Mir fight: “Frank Mir rocked kickboxer Cheik Kongo with one punch…can a former boxer do the same?”
It gives Kongo a probably-easy win with some good build-up, and Toney gets a payday.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 3, 2010 7:03 PM EST reply actions
kongo would just kick him in the nuts in the first minute...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Did someone poop on your couch?
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
This article was the first thing I saw when I logged on. Looked at the title, thought “odd, about a month late for Toney talk”.
It wasn’t clear that Toney had actually signed on until Christ’s bit.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
Ah
Didn’t even realize he signed.. Funny.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
OMG!
That was freaking hilarious dude! I literally LOL’ED
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Sorry
Can’t help it. That’s something that I would say.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
It's too late
Poop jokes are a go for the next six weeks.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Sweet
I’ll make sure to look for your posts for the next six weeks then
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
You could just RSS me like ufc4 does. He reads my like gospel.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
my=me
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Stupid question I suppose
I have no clue what that is.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
No big deal
Stupid joke, more like it.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I assume it's something like a twitter
or something. I’ve seen it on various websites. An RSS feed or something.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
It’s a means to track updates on a site you like. SBN has them for member profiles, too.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Oh I gotcha
I’m not super internet savy even though I’m on the internet all the time. I’m more of the type that looks up how to calculate wind chill factor and crap like that.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
So you’re the guy who was posting those pics last week…..
by ufc4 on Mar 3, 2010 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My list of preferred match-ups:
- TODDUFFEE!!!!
- Pat Barry
- Cro Cop
- Gilbert Yvel.
- Cheick Kongo
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Beej indeed, LOL.
I’d like to see him face Kimbo. I think Kimbo would supplex him ftw
On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.
Viva L' America
Screw that
I want to see a grappler absolutely demolish him, and not a guy who is well respected guy who would allow Toney to save some face. I want to see him get mauled by a guy barely hanging on at the fringes of the roster (Al-Turk, McCully, Chris Tuchscherer).
Kimbo already took out Mercer with a guillotine. Let’s see if he can submit Toney
by MikeD32 on Mar 3, 2010 7:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
And if he presents what’s sure to be sub-King of the Cage level takedowns, subpar submission defense and other requisite components of a MMA game, his former world-class hands are going to mean nothing.
That pretty much sums Toney up
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Hulkster has two fake hips
He’s already scheduled to fight gravity.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
You are on fire tonight
You should have a comedy central special or something.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
ufc4 was right
Don’t encourage me.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Don't worry
I’m logging off for the night. Don’t want your ego getting to big.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Haha
Well done.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
haha
Talk at you later.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Classic Dana White
Dana is such a tool. I liked him better when he stuck to his guns.
“The Herschel Walker fight is a joke! Its a freak show! Blah blah blah the UFC would never to that.”
And then he signs James Toney. Although Toney would probably beat Walker.
Probably?
Yeah, a 48 year old ex-football player is comparable to a 41 year-old with 2 decades of combat sport experience…
by SidHartman on Mar 3, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
walker has been doing martial arts for like 20 years
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
at a highly compettive level, no less
Though I’m sure Herschel and Daniel-san had some hellacious matches back in the 80s.
I figure it's a combination of #1 and #2.
I hope Toney loses by GnP or RNC.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
There's really no way I wouldn't like to watch him lose.
Kneebar
Americana
Arm Triangle
Gogoplata – Actually, that would be hilarious. Where’s Brad Imes?
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Tapping out after an inside leg kick.
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by fedorade on Mar 3, 2010 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know, that would be funny if he fought a kickboxer and got his legs chopped out from under him. Maybe afterwards, Dana can say, “Welcome to the O.C. UFC, bitch!”
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
I say Big Country
Let’s see him get put in a crucifix by a big fat white guy and see how he spins that one.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
He called Dana White a “straight up ho.” That might’ve had something to do with White being willing to throw him under the MMA bus. Lol.
by MMAmadman on Mar 3, 2010 7:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
YEah
I’m thinking DW is trying to teach him a lesson.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
teach him a lesson?
by what giving him a contract and money
i think Toney knows he will never make it he is just there for the money
by midbc on Mar 3, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel sad about this.
Something in my guts tells me to feel betrayed. I don’t mind a boxer signing with the UFC. I would feel better if it was an ambassador from boxing making the switch.
Maybe it is Toneys inability to clearly speak. Or the way he comes across in his videos. Maybe it is just a misstep by the UFC but I am afraid this is going to open a door to the ugliness in boxing.
Either way this signing has stirred some emotion in me. This is what sells fights. The eyeballs will tune in to see him win or lose.
Have Aoki slap on a su or Aldo rain some knees. Even better counter program the CBS card with Anderson. And when Toney side kick checks him Silva catches it and KHTFO.
"For your information, I would like to ask a question."
-Samuel Goldwyn
by fedorade on Mar 3, 2010 7:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
“Don’t bring personal family into life”
-Tito Ortiz
If UFC will still sign with this douche why not James Toney?
"I'm Feel Good"
-Wandi
Douche status does not stop you from being in the UFC. It actually helps.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
Just look at
BROCKLESNAR!!!!!!!!!
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Why not
Just have him fight Anderson?
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Are you saying this in earnest, or jokingly?
It would satiate his desire to fight a boxer, but it’d also be premeditated murder.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Both
I was thinking the exact thing you stated. It’s a kill two birds thing. I mean, I know for sure that it wouldn’t happen but it’d still be cool.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Haha!
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
I mean
Toney wouldn’t even touch him but he’d get the shit kicked out of him and then gas and get stuck in a clinch and kneed to death. Or Silva would just Forest him possibly.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
No bullshit
That has some intrigue to it. Toney has great hands and Silva is the most elusive fighter in MMA. I’d rather see Silva fight more relevant opposition, but it could be sold.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I agree
It probably would end up being a big fight too which would make Silva happy. Don’t have to worry about Silva going for the TD either. I can’t imagine it would last long. Only downside is having Toney “catch” their P4P king.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
Do you have any idea how much mainstream appeal Silva would develop after winning that fight? Seriously, I’m borderline talking myself into it at this point..
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Toney vs. Machida sounds fun.
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by Matthew Roth on Mar 3, 2010 8:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would be hilarious
Can you imaging how frustrated Toney would be after a few minutes of that???
:)
Side Show
Dana can’t talk about anyone doing sideshows now. He has now signed a 41 year old with no MMA fights and has been busted for steroids twice.
Toney is a good boxer, and Randy has a not so good chin, so he has a chance.
but if it goes to the fence, it’s over too..
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 3, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not. Randy deserves legit competition, not whatever the hell this is. Give Toney Tito after Chuck plays basketball with his skull again.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
well randy said he doesn't care about the title,
and is just looking for the most interesting matchups available… I guess this one classifies as “interesting”?
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 3, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ya know what else is “interesting”? A man with an arm growing out of his forehead.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Mar 3, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Is that arm trained in a martial sport?
Preferably for several decades?
by asa on Mar 4, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
King Mo on Twitter:
Id put my money on James Toney vs ANY fighter in the world that wanna stand and box wit him…Alotta hwts like to stand and trade
James Toney signed with the UFC!!! If he learn to sprawl and check kicks…Theres gonna be some Trouble Trouble"..Name that line!!
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 3, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Let me preface my comments by saying that I don’t think the guy is going to be a Brock Lesnar who takes the MMA world by storm.
That said, I don’t see why the guy couldn’t put on some entertaining fights with the lower level guys in the UFC. I could see him doing just fine against a guy like Tim Hague or Justin McCully. And why not?
Marcio Cruz made his MMA debut in UFC because he was a decorated BJJ guy. He did OK, eventually lost a few and got cut, but meanwhile his fights (like his beatdown of Frank Mir) were pretty damned fun to watch. And honestly, people weren’t up in arms about it with him.
I get that MMA and boxing have a rivalry, hell, I’m one of the biggest proponents of MMA when the water cooler convos start at my work and the boxing fans chime in. But I’d say the guy is easily just as qualified as a lot of the 5-0 guys who have beaten a few nobodies in the regional show to come fight at the lower levels in UFC.
Fuck, Gilbert Yvel has made an entire career out of being a HW with great striking and no ground game. And he’s 36-14.
I think he fights the Nelson/Struve loser
Toney vs. Nelson would be hilarious.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Is Toney elite world class in boxing now? No. Could he give most any of the top 10 guys in the world 12 hard fought rounds still? Without question. That alone is why this is an interesting signing to me because how many MMA fighters can say that they could give tough round (in a boxing match) to an elite boxer? Well here’s one now that can. And how he does in MMA is of interest, to me at least. I look at it no differently than if Zuffa signed a 41-year-old Hall of Fame level Olympic wrestler that was one of the greats in his sport and wanted to give MMA a go.
I look at it no differently than if Zuffa signed a 41-year-old Hall of Fame level Olympic wrestler that was one of the greats in his sport and wanted to give MMA a go.
I like this assessment. I’m more of a boxing fan, and some of my friends at Bad Left Hook are getting a little huffy about this signing. Personally I’m more like, this is interesting. Why not? Let’s see what happens.
Another thing worth considering is that Toney has a sort of larger than life personality that I think will fit well in the MMA. Irrelevant from a fight POV, but relevant to the original question of this post.
Boxing writer: "Iran, what are you going to do when you retire?"
Iran Barkley: "Rob your house"
I agree, and I also think that people are going to be surprised just how much better a professional boxer is at boxing compared to even the upper level mma fighters. That is if he gets an opponent that will stand with him. It will be interesting to see how it plays out and what Dana’s motive truly is.
Dana is doing it for ratings and $$$. Simple as that. People will talk and people will watch. Toney will lose and disappear and the UFC will have put on a unique show that sold well. Hypocritical by the UFC? Yes. But it’ll probably make them money so Im sure the baldfather and co wont give a shit.
by GeeDub on Mar 4, 2010 3:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why Would the UFC Sign James Toney?
Its called money.
usually green..you can buy stuff with it.
Hell… Toney’s profit would probably take care of the contract they’ll give Mousasi. As long as they don’t make Toney a major part of the business like Walker is for SF, I dont’ see any problems here.

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