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Marcus Davis, Dan Hardy, Homophobia and MMA

Dan Hardy posted this picture of Marcus Davis on CageWarriors and invited fans to create photoshops with it.

We've posted on Marcus Davis unfortunate tweet that he "hopes Dan Hardy dies of AIDS", but Beth of Gal's Guide to MMA has a bit more to add:

Does Davis really think that "gay photos" are worse than wishing AIDS on someone?  I worked as a therapist at AIDS Project Los Angeles, where I provided counseling to people with AIDS and their families.  Let me tell you, there isn't much else that's worse in this world than dying of AIDS.  It is an extremely undignified death that involves pain, anger, depression, and social stigma.  The medication that people with AIDS have to take becomes a full time job.  And that's just for those lucky enough to have medication work on them.  People who contract a drug resistant form of the disease don't even have the option of taking the medication.  They get to deal with wasting away very quickly with no hope of help unless new drugs happen to be developed that can help them.   

How can he say that photos are worse?  Because they last for life?  Give me a friggin' break.  The photos are obviously photoshopped and only a mental midget wouldn't realize that.  But oh no!  They are gay photos on top of that.  Well sweet Jesus, that should give him the right to fire bomb Hardy's house.  I mean of all of the horrific things you could do to someone, photoshopping (badly) them at a gay pride parade must certainly be the worst. 

Zach Arnold puts it in a little broader context:

Yes, Mixed Martial Arts is a sport. It's also a sport with ungodly amounts of testosterone levels that blow away any T/E ratio you've ever seen in your life. If the average human has a T/E ratio of 1:1, then that level is blown off its hinges in Mixed Martial Arts. In the most macho of all macho sports, testosterone is the fuel that breeds world champions and also breeds unbelievable stupidity. In a business that has macho heels like Phil Baroni and behemoths like Bob Sapp, it's impossible to avoid some of the taboos that come with a sport so fueled by testosterone.

One of those taboos is homophobia.

There's an element of truth to the claims that Mixed Martial Arts is a sport that a gay audience might like. Search Google for MMA and gay and you'll see what kind of results you turn up with. It's an uncomfortable truth for many in the MMA industry because for a lot of the fighters involved, homosexuality and the appeal of some fans for watching fighters because of that reason is an inconvenient truth that they want no part of. Some fighters of a particular religious faith want no part of discussing the gay taboo, but for a lot of the fighters the issue is one of macho-ness and questioning how tough a fighter is. It's no different than say the NFL or other male-dominated pro-sports where you rarely see any mega-athletes come out of the closet for fear of how their peers might react.

For UFC mid-card fighter Marcus Davis, the issue of being portrayed in a negative light as gay proved to be too much.

It will be interesting to see what the career repercussions are for Davis. He's not a big star, but he's a veteran in good standing with the UFC. Coming on the heels of Frank Mir's no-good-very-bad-awful PR week, I'd have to think this isn't news Dana White wanted to hear.

Personally, I'm from the old "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" camp, but everyone knows those rules don't apply in 2010. Got to tread lightly fellas and as a rule of thumb I recommend not wishing death on anyone for a while.

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I guess he’s right that homophobia exists in all other sports and is kind of the status quo. It’s still fucked up.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Hardy brought this on himself. There is no one else to blame

On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.

Viva L' America

by liptondrift on Mar 3, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh? I don’t think Hardy cares about this, he probably finds it amusing seeing Davis still so hung up on him and making a fool of himself.

by rabrown on Mar 3, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If hardy don’t care, why is this even a story for others to complain about.

On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.

Viva L' America

by liptondrift on Mar 3, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well homophobia is the kind of thing that affects more than just two people. We don’t exist in a vacuum.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No one complained about Sonnen calling Anderson a queer & threatening to get his whole neighborhood to lynch the spider..

On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.

Viva L' America

by liptondrift on Mar 3, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that’s true, and I think that’s problematic.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

word

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

actually I think a lot of people objected to that

we had a three day shitstorm on BE about it.

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by Kid Nate on Mar 3, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I was gonna say

I definitely remember complaining.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Monte Fisto on Mar 3, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

like all good trolls

Hardy is sitting at his computer lolling right now. Well played sir.

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by Excelsior! on Mar 4, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually, honestly, cannot hate on Hardy for the photoshops. Maybe he’s a homophobe. It wouldn’t surprise me. The awesome part is that it requires the homophobia of its audience to be in any way offensive.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but it requires only one homophobe for it to be hilarious!

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 3, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

my friend andrew says, "although if this forum was any good they would’ve immediately said “not your personal army” and just started posting gay pics of dan hardy"

by slantedwindows on Mar 3, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Homophobia and sports still go together like a fist in a glove. It’s pathetic, and unsurprising. But all I take away from Marcus’ comments is that I don’t like the guy. I’m pretty understanding, and while I have some friends who are gay, I don’t immediately leap for the throat of people who are homophobic. I really dislike him for it, but it’s an unfortunate reality that needs air to be cured, rather than just screaming it back into silence with public outrage. The brilliance of Dan Hardy’s mental dismantling of Marcus is that he simply revealed a part of who Marcus is, and turned it against him, then let Marcus do the rest. But unlike in the real world, I can root for someone to fuck Marcus up. The most effective cure for homophobia is just time. Old fashioned attitudes take a generation or two to die…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 3, 2010 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

Or, as with this old attitude, it takes 2000+ years and still going strong. But, sure, things are at least rolling today.

by ununkvadrium on Mar 3, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Sticks and stones may break my bones and words can most definetly limit my choices in life. Regarding brand profile given the target audience, I’d say don’t regulate the talk if it’s not completely over the top. Which would suck on my part.

by ununkvadrium on Mar 3, 2010 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

It’s incredibly easy to take a moral high ground here. As if the writer has never wished death by some form on someone. Please.

by nastyem on Mar 3, 2010 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

Marcus the Magician

Who really cares if Davis wishes another fighter AIDS. Its not like he can make it happen OR can he. Someone find out if he hates Magic Johnson.

by darkside3744 on Mar 3, 2010 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

That’s not the point. Seriously. Davis came out saying that being ‘gay-shopped’ is worse than wishing someone to die of AIDS. Point being – is being shopped like that really that bad?

by ununkvadrium on Mar 3, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, its THAT BAD

That would be one of the few things I’d be pissed at if someone “Shopped” me.

by ALrockies on Mar 3, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Said the man withs boobs as his avatar...

I get it. A lot of pepole are afraid of homosexuality. It seems a silly phobia to me, but go ahead and freak out if you can’t deal with it. I do think, however, that being afraid of the gays and overreacting are two different things. Davis clearly overreacted.

by ununkvadrium on Mar 3, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll need a photo of you showing how disgusted you’d be if someone ’shopped you…

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 3, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That’s really interesting, how about you buy me a drink later and tell me all about it with your pants off.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If one of these fighters shopped me no matter what it was i"d be the evny of my community.

by darkside3744 on Mar 3, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Because obviously this needs clarification

No, really, no it’s not that bad.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell that to the guys above you

Had no idea some people found that sort of thing so offensive. I won’t even speculate why.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The horror, the horror!!

by dancingChicken on Mar 3, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

rec’ed for heart of darkness ref (i hope?)

by castleeb on Mar 4, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope Dan Hardy dies of natural causes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

I already told you. I ain’t baggin’ no pussy.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He was the man up until they locked him down in the basement.

by darkside3744 on Mar 3, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, WTF was up with that? Still a good show though.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Mar 3, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I think it comes back on in June.

by darkside3744 on Mar 3, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

slightly related:

tito ortiz also tweeted about finding out that his friend, (also an MMA fighter) is gay… it’s on the tweet tweet post, i’d copy paste it, but Im not on a PC.

by Anton Tabuena on Mar 3, 2010 6:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That he THINKS his friend is gay

No?

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

“I think one of my friends that fight is gay. I’ve been seeing many signs. Crazy…Huh….

razorRob and me always thought. But I heard he was in vegas to visit a guy. Crazy."

Well yeah, you’re sorta right. it isn’t confirmed..

by Anton Tabuena on Mar 3, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Same d00d that was calling Chuck a drunk

First thing I thought is “man, one of his friends is probably like ‘what the fuck, Tito??’”

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

but this is a different story..

he’s not trying to talk smack about his opponent in the media.. He seems genuinely shocked, and just tweeted about it.

a fan said..

And what’s the problem?!
he just replied with:
no problem just never thought.

there’s also a bunch of tweets with people guessing if it was tiki he’s talking about, but his answer doesn’t really make sense…or I just don’t understand tito-speak.

by Anton Tabuena on Mar 3, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not very different

You think his friend, who, if he’s gay, hasn’t told anyone, wants Tito to publicly speculate about it on his Twitter? That’s still really offensive stuff.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, if true, his friend probably wouldn't want that tito is doing that.

but all I’m saying, this is more believable, than tito saying Chuck was an alcoholic..

by Anton Tabuena on Mar 3, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, sure

Not exactly comparing the credibility, but saying that Tito hasn’t always been very honest/straightforward (about much anything, really).

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

either way, if it's true or not,

his friend won’t be happy when he checks his phone on his way to vegas. haha.

by Anton Tabuena on Mar 3, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You know you can copy and paste on a mac too right? Or you are on your phone.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

What does Beth have against midgets?

by Dooda on Mar 3, 2010 6:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hmm

Do you think Davis would’ve been as pissed if people had photoshopped his face on the body of an oompa loompa?

by Donna on Mar 3, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

Did Hardy really do anything that bad? He said “Photoshop?” and posted a real picture of Davis. Why hate Hardy? Hate the internet, they are the ones who ran with it.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Who cares, under any circumstances

I certainly hope Paulo Thiago doesn’t want me to die of cancer because I photoshopped him to be Sam Eagle.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Better Sam the Eagle than a fraggle

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 3, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

*to

Me fail English?

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Mar 3, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

This needs to be a trend

And I claim responsibility for starting it.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If he wanted you to die, you'd never know it because

A) That guy is quiet as hell. Almost never talks.

B) BOPE.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

I’d hear choppers, then nothing.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He probably wants you to die of cancer for a myriad of other reasons completely unrelated to photoshop or Sam the Eagle.

by George Lucas on Mar 3, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That's very true

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

If you instigate the action you are normally primarily responsible for the outcome.

by nastyem on Mar 3, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but in this case there is no logical reason for the reaction. There’s no logical reason to be upset about the instigating action. There is only the one super illogical reason.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No logical reason for Davis’ reaction? I’d be upset too if someone photoshopped tons of photos of me like that. His reaction, anger, seems totally logical.

The issue at hand is (according to this blogger chick), is that wishing AIDS on someone is worse than being photoshopped.

Consider this, what if Davis wished that Dan Hardy was crushed by a grand piano falling off a tall building. Seems just as unlikely and potentially painful to me as waking up with and suffering from AIDS.

This is only an issue because AIDS is oh-so-taboo.

by nastyem on Mar 3, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if Davis wasn’t so thin-skinned, then he wouldn’t care about being photoshopped, so it wouldn’t be fun.
But he’s easily rattled mentally, so it is fun.

New Orleans Saints - 2010 Super Bowl Champions. Unbelievable. Who Dat.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 3, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree. It was a pretty weak response to Hardy. Dude needs to be a little more creative.

This whole story is a massive non-issue

by nastyem on Mar 3, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really, a story about homophobia, and just prejudice in general, as it relates to combat sports is really needed. It’s a big issue, far bigger than Frank Mir’s comments and far more hurtful.

by Worldisart on Mar 3, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Word homie.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

Davis’ thin skin is exactly what Hardy was preying on and it showed when they fought, as well as in the aftermath.

Months later Davis is STILL ranting about it. I thought fighters were meant to be mentally tougher than that.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Mar 3, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all fighters. There’s a few unstable guys in the fight game (Junie, War Machine, etc.) that it almost seems like that mindset has a lot of wiggle-room.

I doubt Davis would be so upset if he’d won.

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not if they want a rematch.......

Hey, it’s worked for Frank Mir once, and possible twice. Why not?

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Mar 3, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Huge difference.
  • Movie involving a guy getting crushed by a falling piano as a plot point: Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
  • Movie involving someone dying from AIDS: Philadelphia.

If that doesn’t illustrate why your third paragraph is borderline censored by Sarah Palin then I don’t know what would.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Do you have no concept of scale?

by Worldisart on Mar 3, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Homophobia IS illogical.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, please provide me with your headshot, your first and last name and i’ll post some pictures of you in compromising positions with other men on some of the major forums of the industry you work in. We’ll see how “logically” you react.

Everyone pretending they wouldn’t be a little upset like Marcus Davis is a liar.

by nastyem on Mar 3, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, there are pictures of me in drag all over the internet. Hanging out at the Folsom St. Fair with men ONLY WEARING JOCKSTRAPS. You’ll have to do better than that.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Me and a couple guys on my wrestling team cross dressed for a memorial beauty pageant. It’s really not that big of a deal.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And I’m 95% sure my girlfriend has a penis, either that or it’s the longest vagina I’ve ever seen.

"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"

by Fake Emcee on Mar 3, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Kudos, sir.

I have a friend who I would throw themed dance parties with, one of which was crossdressing. Me and her boyfriend both went full out. I looked like a streetwalker, and he like a librarian. Also, New Years photos of me getting drunk and embarrassing the shit out of my then gf by running around in her underwear yelling “I’m [her name]! Look at my BOOOOOBS!” Pictures of both are floating through the interwebz, proving once and for all that skirts are comfortable for letting your junk air out and that I’m a terrible boyfriend.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a truly hilarious story. We need to get drunk together sometime.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm down.

What’s your drink and what part of the country are ya from?

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm totally going to photoshop it

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Whiskey and cheap beer. Northern California

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Oooooh.

I’m a whiskey guy (was holding a handle of Evan Williams during the gf underwear run, actually) and drink no small amount of cheap beer, but I’m in SoCal for now. So close…

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

BE proves to be victorious again. Every time whiskey comes up, E-Dubs proves to be the champion

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No way

We’ve had this talk before..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Evan subs Jack in the 3rd round, via no-arm ezekiel choke

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

If you want something that comes in a plastic bottle and tastes like half whiskey half nail polish and you have 12 bucks a handle of Ten High is your product.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s exactly what the shit I bought last Friday tastes like. More apt explanation than I could come up with.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Ever had “Heaven Hill”? Sounds like a cemetery, cuz it makes you want to die

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No, but I’ll look into it because I am a masochist apparently.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I want in

Scotch and San Francisco. Make it happen.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

BE bar crawl?

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't have great NorCal connections

but know tons of guys in the SoCal MMA scene and have some ins for the Chicago, DC, and maybe Northern Florida areas as well if those work.

Robert Downey: That’s because I always bring it up and you’re right there to follow it. When I get home, I’ll cheers BE and take a swig of Evey Dubs.

hlebtasic: I’ve had Ten High. Early Times is comparably priced and slightly less toxic.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ardent fan of Senor Williams

Got a handle in the freezer right now

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What's with you guys saying "handle"?

Is that a southern term for a fifth?

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"

by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Handle = 1.75 L

You don’t get that in MN? I learned it growing up in Chicago, and my ventures northward usually didn’t create any problems.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Its definitely in California. I thought it was universal honestly.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it an age thing?

I’m no old timer, by any means (28). I’ve got alcohol terminology down pretty solid.

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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know, my 25 year old brother says it.

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by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=handle

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That was the other thing I considered

Until someone said they were holding one while running.

And no, nobody here says that. First time I’ve seen the term was just now.

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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That was also my story.

And that’s why they have “handles” on them. I also have strong hands and a powerful will to hold on to my whiskey when I’m drinking/already quite drunk.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I once got jumped at a German bar while holding a 25 oz mug of beer. I neither dropped it, nor spilled any.

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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Impressive. Much less impressively I onced vomited holding a shot, finished, slammed the shot and went on with my life.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Color me impressed.

Real men don’t spill alcohol for any reason but pouring some out for a fallen comrade.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

pouring some out for a fallen comrade

Got-damn right

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I attribute my success to having a good chin, and the fact that the d00d ran when I didn’t go down after the first four or five shots.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The good chin and crazy eyes are a great defense.

I ate a blind punch flush to the chin in college and kept my footing, then turned and looked at what hit me… bigger dude (which isn’t a big deal since I’m pretty damn small), three guys behind him. I figure I can run or do as much damage as I could until my friends dove in. I take one step in, they scatter. Felt like a baddass, only had a little swelling, and they got picked up by the cops 3 minutes later. Good day.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha

The guy that hit me ran outside and tried to hide in plain sight up against the outer wall of the bar. I was there with five of the meanest dudes I know (three or which were boxing partners). Guy got pounced on something awful, and I’m pretty sure it was a case of mistaken identity. Whoops?

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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

guess it just stems from the 1.75 bottles having handles to make transportation/chugs easier

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, it makes sense

Just haven’t heard it ever.

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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d never heard of beer pong referred to as “Beirut” until I went North

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT??

I’ve never heard that, either! And I’m Lebanese..

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.

by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I am a Bay Area native

handles and barfights for all.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Mar 3, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m in SoCal and drink Laphroaig Quarter Cask; is that good enough?

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by CasualMMAFan on Mar 4, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

You, sir, have excellent taste.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 4, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly?

There is nothing offensive about being photoshopped in a compromising position unless you’re a religious fundamentalist or a homophobe (which would probably be combined).

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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I suppose you guys win and I’m a homophobe then.

That’s the thing I love about the internet, we can all pretend we’re operating on this moral zenith where we’ve never uttered the f***** word or wished AIDS upon someone, or refused to go into a gay bar.

Honestly, I’ve said the word, I’ve made that wish (albeit with a LOL afterwards), and I’ve been to a gay bar (let’s face it, they play the best music). But I would still be pretty pissed if someone identified me en masse as something I’m not.

by nastyem on Mar 3, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

A friend once photoshopped me getting butt-fucked by The Rock

I laughed so hard, I nearly suffocated.

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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha well, I tend to think you wouldn’t be so happy when it started circulating to your clients. And I guess that’s the point I was trying to make.

by nastyem on Mar 3, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

“I have gay friends” is insufficient in the presence of “I am upset by the idea of being perceived as homosexual”

You made your own bed.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He made his own bed and now he has to lay in it

but not with another guy, god dammit!

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t say I had gay friends— though I do.

Not sure why you responded by paraphrasing everything I said other than to feel good about getting one more snarky highbrow comment in.

by nastyem on Mar 3, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re reducible to the same argument, which seems to be the part you’re missing. “I have gay friends” and “I go to gay bars” mean the same thing because they are both irrelevant to homophobia.

I paraphrase to make sure you can hear yourself talking. The things you’re saying happen to express homophobia by definition, and I’m just uncertain why you would THEN go on to say that it proves that you are not.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The point I’ve been trying to make is that Marcus Davis is justified in being angry at being identified as a homophobe. Why? His fans in one way or another pay the bills.

If someone did the same thing en masse to my freelance clients, I would be concerned. Not because of MY prejudices, but because I fear THEIR PREJUDICES. Of course I would attempt damage control. (And not this — “Well that guy should die of AIDS”).

If that somehow characterizes me as a homophobe in your opinion, then so be it.

by nastyem on Mar 3, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve dressed in drag and lip-synched to Aerosmith’s “Dude Looks Like a Lady.” I don’t care.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Mar 3, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Furthermore

The idea that somehow this damages his marketability among his homophobic fan base couldn’t possibly equal the level of shit people have to deal with when they ACTUALLY IDENTIFY as queer.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s ridiculous. That’s like saying if I cut some guy off on the road and it pissed him off so much he went home and killed his kids, I’d be responsible for their murders. Hardy is not responsible for Davis overreacted.

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by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure if I should laugh and rec you, or flag you for trolling.

by nastyem on Mar 3, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I still haven't seen these pictures

Did he really even say this is a photoshop? That’s basically just calling Davis gay in an elaborate way.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Cigano, it is your time to avenge your master's loss!

Making the world a better place, one dirtbag at a time.

by CC11 on Mar 3, 2010 6:36 PM EST reply actions  

I haven't really seen this point brought up yet

But the fact that Davis said he wanted Hardy to die of Aides and not just die is also homophobic. It just goes back to the no longer accurate idea that HIV is solely a gay disease. It promotes the concept that gays and homosexuality is inherently dirty and diseased.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe its a mid ninties thing but my friends and I joked around and complained about people and each other in the same horrible manor. I mean he doesnt like Hardy and thought about the worst thing he could say to him.

by darkside3744 on Mar 3, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Marcus Davis,

Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade

by Damon O. on Mar 3, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

Dana, here's an idea; lead by example.

If Dana has a problem with the way his employees are behaving, then perhaps he should take a look in the mirror.

by goodbones on Mar 3, 2010 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

Yes because Dana is doing it, it’s obviously an excuse for grown men to behave in the same way. Does no one believe in personal responsibility anymore?

by Worldisart on Mar 3, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what? None of the shit these guys say actually bothers me, and nor should it bother anyone else. Everyone needs to grow the fuck up.

I’m saying if Dana has a problem with this, then he needs to learn to be more respectful before expecting the same from his fighters.

by goodbones on Mar 3, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

So now you’re the moral barometer of our society? Gimme a break.

by Worldisart on Mar 3, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Dana is already a father.

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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares?

Marcus Davis cannot somehow make it so that Hardy gets Aids, unless of course he somehow can obtain the virus, and inject it (no homo) into Hardy… Btw, I hope my use of No Homo doesn’t hurt anyone’s feelings. lol.

Saying something isn’t the same as doing something… I think people need to take things with a grain of salt, and realize that not everything is literal.

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Mar 3, 2010 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

But Photoshop's are magic!

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

btw I'm pretty sure

that Marcus knows that it would be worse to actually get aids, than to have his pictures photoshopped…

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Mar 3, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither really happened

Marcus didn’t take it from four d00dz in a bathroom at Abercrombie and Hardy didn’t contract AIDS. It’s not a comparison.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i know

I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.

by Loot on Mar 3, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

And to think I used to like Marcus Davis.

by MMAussie on Mar 3, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

You can still like him. No one is going to judge you.

by goodbones on Mar 3, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and just to clarify in case Mr. Davis reads this, i meant that in strictly the most heterosexual way possible.

by MMAussie on Mar 3, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't want to see MMA turn into the NHL

And by that I mean, the cliched and stereotypical comments and opinions on opponents and games and strategies, etc…

As far as I’m concerned, the NHL is devoid of personality, and that’s the last thing I want to happen to MMA.

by goodbones on Mar 3, 2010 7:20 PM EST reply actions  

Woah..

You should watch the playoff’s.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch them for what? I used to follow hockey closely… though not to much anymore.

by goodbones on Mar 3, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a lot of personality in the NHL

Just isn’t as well publicized. It’s a marketing problem, not a personality one.

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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re telling me that when a player is interviewed after a period, or in the locker room, you don’t already know what they’re going to say?

by goodbones on Mar 3, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

Translate that to every squeaky clean US pro sport, then— the NFL is the only pro sports with any sort of liberal rhetoric during games.

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, I’m saying this is something that makes MMA unique (real) and it’s not something I want to see get stripped away because fighters don’t like the people they have to fight against (and as a result, talk shit about).

by goodbones on Mar 3, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Ain’t nothing wrong with talking shit, but there is a line of what is acceptable and what isn’t. If you think that saying you wish someone would die of AIDS then I suggest you reassess your personal values.

by Worldisart on Mar 3, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

WRONG.

My guess would be Jake Shields and Gray, ever watch their fights? Fitch might be as well.

by Riney on Mar 3, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

better yet

let’s speculate which BE posters are homosexual!

My first guess is a guy whose username initials are BJ.

by Grappo on Mar 3, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy

Kid Nate, definitely. It’s pretty clear in all of his posts in his writing style.

by Patrick John McGreevy on Mar 3, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Bye

Nice knowing ya.

twitter.com/thisredengine

by Matthew Roth on Mar 3, 2010 10:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This is getting really stupid. Who cares. First goddamn Amendment. People are too friggin PC. They should all die in an earthquake, hurricane, car crash, tornado, or be struck by lightning. Or get herpes.

"Negative, negative. I gotta stay lean and lightning and ready to fight." Capt. H.M. Murdock

by BadB on Mar 3, 2010 7:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

What does this have to do with the first amendment. People need to learn how to separate social issues from the law.

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It means that people are getting shit for speaking freely.

"Negative, negative. I gotta stay lean and lightning and ready to fight." Capt. H.M. Murdock

by BadB on Mar 3, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

People don’t realize that this is a serious issue.

by goodbones on Mar 3, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it really all that serious though

A guy wished ill will on another guy he doesn’t like then equated having gay pictures photoshopped of him to be worse than a verbal put down. Does this most certainly prove Davis to be a homophobe, I suppose but it could just be a case of a guy personally not liking to see himself shopped into such a position or maybe not wanting one of his kids or their friends to come across it. I’m pretty indifferent to this, a lot of people are homophobic or racist or sexist it’s just that sometimes they let it slip out more times then others.

BROCKLESNAR came out and said flat out he doesn’t like gay people without a single apology and that story seems to have dissapeared completely. Davis didn’t associate homosexuality with AIDs or even say anthing all that unflattering about gay people in general, just a guy from an uptight neighborhood that didn’t like seeing himself in that light. I mean if he had said he wanted Hardy to die in a plane crash, would there really be a need for plane crash survivors and workers to come out and remind him of how serious a plane crash can be?

"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"

by Fake Emcee on Mar 4, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

The first amendment protects people from government persecution for their criticisms of the government.

It does not absolve people from responsibility and consequences for idiotic shit they say.

It also doesn’t give you free reign to be a moron.

My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.

-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)

by loboplata on Mar 3, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It gives you a lot of free reign to be a moron

It just doesn’t protect you from consequences by anyone other than the federal government for saying moronic shit.

Your boss is free to fire you for saying stupid shit, even outside of work.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Mar 3, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean they are going to jail or facing legal repercussions for statements that aren't inciting violence or directly slanderous?

Where?!

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What about a herpes hurricane?

Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't wait for the Weather Channel to announce

Herpacane Paris is rolling through town.

"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe

by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That's more likely to be on TMZ

It takes place every July in Las Vegas.

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by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be the

best fighter nickname eva! Frank “Herpes Hurricane” Mir

by Riney on Mar 3, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That is the worst fucking visual I've had in a long time.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Mar 3, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

"First goddam Amendment"

I do not think those words mean what you think they mean.

Get rid of the ramp!

by ihateemo on Mar 3, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Who wants to see two associates fight in an octagon?

Because I sure as fuck don’t.

Frankly, I think Mir is very intelligent and he does an excellent job of drawing attention to himself and interest to his fights.

by goodbones on Mar 3, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe you already have!

That’s the problem; the stigma is so bad that nobody wants anybody to know who they actually are. Would you want to have to pretend?

by verloc on Mar 3, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm in the who cares camp.

I personally don’t really see too much of a difference between wishing someone died of aids, or wishing someone died by drowning. The comment is essentially about wishing someone would die, the means of that death are secondary, IMO. I assume the reason why Davis chose Aids is due to the homesexual context of those pictures, which is totally crass I admit, but then, this whole thing is crass and obscene. In the end, Hardy is immature in his tactics and Davis doesn’t understand that reacting like this just makes things worse. It makes him look thin skinned and insecure with his manhood. It’s about time he got over Hardy, cause right now it is clear Hardy got into his head, so much so that Davis still feels threatened by it. Hardy beat him mentally and physically. Davis needs to move on, or else we might have to log his Hardy obsession in with the likes of BJ’s jealousy of GSP and Mir’s mancrush on Brock. Obsession, like insecurity, is not an attractive thing.

You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP

by pud333 on Mar 3, 2010 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

As far as this goes, it’s hard to hate Hardy for what many (including myself) perceive as unjustified anger. We are all a little irrational.

Here’s my take: Hardy photoshopping the pictures offends Davis; maybe his family is embarrassed. His career is not at risk. His life is not at risk. It’s a joke.

Davis’ comments trivialize the suffering of people currently sick with a horrible, incurable disease. He does so to everybody who reads it or hears it; contributing to the idea that it’s appropriate to wish AIDS on someone.

If Davis had said a piano falling, or hit by a car, who cares? I think it was in poor taste to choose AIDS as the cause of death.

by verloc on Mar 3, 2010 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

Yep if your going to say something horrible it should be very very very funny.

something like hoping the flees of a thousand camels infesting your groin and your arms being too short to scratch..

by Beren on Mar 3, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that would be awesome

But it would require a degree of wit that probably isn’t present in Davis

by Donna on Mar 3, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope I don't offend anyone with this point of view...

and if it does, I apologize. I kind of am afraid of bringing this up because people might get really heated about this but the whole issue with homosexuals within our society comes off to me as really similar to the same issues that other minorities have had historically. I hear the same arguments against gay marriage that we used against interracial marriage in the mid 70’s. Same too with allowing homosexuals within the military…its the same arguments that were used to keep segregation in the forces during the 50’s.

I was in the navy from 2000-06. We had an unofficial policy in our berthing. If word got around that you didn’t like blacks…you got to live in a six pack with five black dudes. Same if you didn’t like whites, Hispanics, or Filipinos. You learned to either grow the hell up and focus on the important shit or your life was going to be a living hell. If you were homophobic…well you got to express your views to the one open gay dude in the division. All 260 lbs of pure, pissed off anger by the name of Big Ben. Once saw him lawn dart (honestly that is the only proper way to describe it) a dude into a metal bulkhead for calling him a fag. And the division fully supported him in the same way we would support any other of us being slurred.

How would we view this if Hardy had Davis in black face and Davis responded with a lynching comment? Or maybe I am just crazy. Its a pet peeve of mine; the sacrifice of so many people in the military that have to hide what they are to protect their military careers. Again, sorry about getting off on a tangent and getting all over the top with this.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 3, 2010 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

Well interestingly...

the navy tends to get segregated unintentionally. I was in RX Dept and for the most part, its pretty much white (although the division I was in, whites were a minority, but in the department as a whole, again, white were the majority). Filipinos for reasons I guess dealing with a language barrier tended to end up within supply department, mainly within the mess decks (cooking). I think this is mainly a symptom of inequality of the greater education system in the US and aboard. I served with two kids from Kentucky that could barely read or write…and I also served with a guy from Egypt with a veterinary degree.

You end up with people from all over the world, stuck inside very confined conditions. Either you learn to respect people or you get the shit kicked out of you. I wouldn’t say that any one group takes more shit than anyone else, its just no matter where you go…you find ignorant asses.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 4, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Not even close.

Ethnic minorities were treated badly because of there skin color or place of birth, which was wrong, not because of there actions. A better comparison here would be to a drug dealer being treated badly.

by The Engineer on Mar 3, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you seriously comparing drug dealers to homosexuals?

You sure you don’t want to back up on that?

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

How is that not adequate?

Consenting individuals (dealer and buyer) participating in activity considered wrong, dangerous, and socially degrading by most people. (as evident by gay marriage bans passing in almost every state they have come up in)

by The Engineer on Mar 3, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're openly homophobic why would this article offend you?

He’s saying Davis’ actions are homophobic, which you not only accept but condone. So why even comment?

The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"

by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If you read my post

more closely, I did not condone anything, I only stated facts. I didn’t express my feelings on the matter one way or the other. And I commented because the article was biased as was obvious by the use of terms like "homophobe", “testosterone fueled stupidity”, and “most macho of macho sports”.

by The Engineer on Mar 3, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

cause it’s perfectly logical for people to chose to join a demographic that is shitted on by the rest of society. Can I ask…exactly when did you decide to become straight?

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 4, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

You know what

you just offended me, go fuck yourself!

"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"

by Fake Emcee on Mar 4, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

^
this of course was for UMBC’s original post.

"That's right I'm into hardcore crack, that's why my teeth are so bad"

by Fake Emcee on Mar 4, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Well Zach, allow me to retort ! Why all of the Machophobia ?

For starters, Zach Arnold’s article had to be one of the most poorly written articles I’ve read in a long time. Not to mention the high level of ignorance in the small amount of substance. Not sure why "Kid Nate" would bother referencing something this.

Now, according to the all knowing Zach, testosterone "breeds unbelievable stupidity". The interesting thing is that almost every study ever done by any credible research group has determined that elevated levels of testosterone lead to higher levels of alertness, increases in memory and recall abilities, as well as improvements in almost every other area of cognitive function. What is "unbelievable" is that such an astute, reputable, and well researched writer like this Zach Arnold wouldn’t know common knowledge like that. Maybe he’ll learn it when he graduates high school.

I would also like to address his articles statement that this is a sport that has "ungodly amounts of testosterone levels" (what?). Well, exercise in general leads to increases in free testosterone levels, so yea, while it could have been more eloquently stated, I guess he would be right, although this could be said about any sport that physical conditioning is used to prepare for.

So what’s with all of the Machophobia, or maybe in Zach’s case it should be called Testosterophobia ? Why are some people so afraid of a man that may not want to be portrayed as gay? While Davis’s AIDS comments were in bad taste, Zach’s writing was about Davis being a "homophobe" and about the sport in general. Are you afraid of men actually acting like real testosterone fueled men? Considering the fact that testosterone is the one single thing that technically makes you a man, when Zach’s testes drop, hopefully he will learn to embrace his inner macho man. There is nothing to be ashamed of regardless of what M-TV tells you. You’ll also be more likely to get girls, make more money, and be able to better appreciate and enjoy "the most macho of all macho sports".

Bloody Elbow used to be above garbage like this, looks like is has sunk to the levels of sherdog and the UG in terms of unbiased journalistic standards. Sad really, I used to like this place.

by The Engineer on Mar 3, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

Oh good lord...

“the fact that testosterone is the one single thing that technically makes you a man”…take a biology class dude. Women and men both have testosterone and estrogen.

"The ball always seems to find Ed Reed...The man is a menace"

by UMBC Oriole fan on Mar 4, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

the davis photoshops were hilarious. the only problem i have with his aids comments is that he should have gotten some hilarious photoshops of hardy instead.

"Live fast, die."

by Bonedoctor on Mar 4, 2010 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

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