James Toney Signs With the UFC
by Nick Thomas on Mar 3, 2010 4:18 PM EST
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PrintAccording to fiveouncesofpain.com and MMAFighting.com's Mike Chiappetta:
Sources close to the situation that James Toney has recently been signed to a multi-fight contract with the UFC.
[UPDATE] - Toney Working with Ibarra for UFC Debut:
Juanito Ibarra, the former trainer of Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, told Sherdog.com Wednesday that he has been working with the 41-year-old MMA novice on the fundamentals he will need to add to his repertoire if he hopes to be successful in the UFC.HT: sherdog.com
"We have been working on stretching, sprawling and movement, all the things he will need to get a handle on," Ibarra said.
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Can you imagine the dosh Jaunito is charging to train Toney. Jaun totally ripped of Rampage for over 60K for a training camp. If he had of trained with Tito it would have been only 30K.
I bet Jaun is gonna pillage Toney for a good few 100K for this, LOL.
On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.
Viva L' America
If he had of trained with Tito it would have been only 30K.
Ha ha, oh man. I can’t stop giggling at this statement.
by asa on Mar 3, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Is April Fools early this year or something?
LOL @ Dana White.
What was that he said about the UFC signing the best fighters?
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by _Felix_ on Mar 3, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly.
Maybe Fedor is coming to the UFC now that M1 has found him a suitable opponent.
by JimJoe on Mar 3, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Gotta defend Fedor no matter how cowardly he looks this week huh? Loser.
by Django Z on Mar 3, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Kimbo slice AND james Toney? strikeforce better get jose canseco if they want to compete
by pandaboy99 on Mar 3, 2010 4:22 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
& ppl call SF a sideshow, haha
On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.
Viva L' America
i don’t see how signing a former heavyweight champion in another combat sport in any way makes this a sideshow, over a 50 year old football player and washed up juice monkey baseball player
by Austin Martin on Mar 3, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Walker: 47, in shape, history of martial arts training, trained mma for 12 weeks and gave his money to charity.
Toney: 
by bleve_ on Mar 3, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I know, and I’m trying to figure out how you can think that Walker’s years of training a martial art that hasn’t shown much use in mma is somehow more relevant than Toney’s years of training and competing at a world class level in a martial art that does matter in mma.
That point is obviously negligible because Toney looks tubby lawlz.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 3, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Roy Effin Nelson
you’re welcome
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by blubber_guard on Mar 4, 2010 5:30 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm, I’ll be write back to engage in a conversation about how a fat ass james toney getting a contract with the ufc is somehow comparable to a one-fight charity match.
You think a guy that said he knows, “Front kick, back kick, side kick, check kick.” is going to train mma seriously? Do you think former world class boxing skills can stop a simple take down from a real professional… yes, this is joke.
It’s not a one-fight charity match, he signed a contract, which at the time, SF said “was not a publicity stunt or a gimmick.”
You can think the Toney signing is terrible, that’s fine, but by trying to say it’s “better” than the Walker signing you are showing your true colors. They are both publicity stunts, they both have very little chance of becoming serious mixed martial artists, they are exactly the same thing.
I got some doubts his resume
I trained some taekwondo for one month (free month lol) so I got almost no skills myself. BUT my brother did 3 years, I’ve been to each of his competitions, I even went to the world championships in Lyon in France. I know what a taekwondo fighter looks like, butt I saw 0 taekwondo in the way he fought, I was basically looking for it the whole fight, nothing. I’m having a hard time believing he is a 5th degree black belt.
Toney has been a professional fighter for so long, he got a great advantage over Walker fighting wise. But MMA is a bitch, and you only need mediocre wrestling to beat a great boxer with no sprawl no ground game. That’s why they are pretty even in the sense they will always need tailor maid opponents.
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I thought Boxing was a martial art. No?
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No.
It’s a martial craft.
Also: Combat Macramé.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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You mean that baseball player
who never fought for Strikeforce and they keep saying never will? Yeah! Fuck Scott Coker for that thing he never did!
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by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
2010
the year that the movement of big name boxers to MMA begins to really happen?
starts with these older, former stars. and then over the next couple years increasingly legitimate names begin to seriously cross-train and make a serious run at it.
i think it’s great. soon there will be fearsome boxers with decent well-roundedness who wreak some havoc and force everyone to step up their standup skills.
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by GregS123 on Mar 3, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Mayorga is fighting soon as well.
That said, I am far more interested in Mayorga vs Din Thomas that I am in Toney vs anybody in the UFC.
What alternate universe am I living in when Strikeforce are signing relevant top-15 fighters and setting up intriguing matchups between contenders while the UFC is signing ridiculous freak-shows?
by Postpubescent on Mar 3, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Granted, Strikeforce did sign Herschel Walker. However, I do feel that the UFC should be put to a higher standard in MMA just because they really don’t need to have him. At least with Strikeforce, they are new to national television and need to get ratings, and Walker delivered just that. With Toney and the UFC, he MAY increase PPV buys, but he hasn’t been very relevant in boxing for a long time, however, he does have the promo skills to sell a fight.
Explain to me why this guy is a freak show? He still has LEGIT boxing skills and is not quite over the hill as far as people think. Why is this any worse than UFC signing a 1-0 Brock Lesnar who only had wrestling background, Amir Sadollah who won TUF with no pro fights? This has the potential to be huge for the UFC. People need to take a step back and look at it, forget Toney may annoy you or you think he’s a washed up boxer, the guy has unbelievable skills and could payoff big time.
"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni
Part of winning TUF is you get a spot in the UFC. If you didn’t like that signing you should have argued he had no place on the show. Brock was still in his athletic prime, and he was a specimen we haven’t really seen anything like. He also showed a real dedication to training and learning martial arts that Toney hasn’t really shown, what with his left check kick talk. Also, people were upset the UFC signed Brock.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Why would I argue Amir, I had no problem with it and it’s the same scenario with Toney, I have absolute no problem with it. Plus even if I had a problem with the UFC signing a 0-0 prospect, I wouldn’t come on here and bash it to all hell. James Toney has surreal boxing skills, just like Brock was a surreal specimen. This guy is an ex-world champion, lets see him fight before people cry and moan about this. I don’t see how anyone can be against it as long as they don’t tube feed him (at which point it turns into a freakshow) but if they match him with guys that have legit skills, this will be the most interesting thing to watch develop in a while.
"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni
Because he does not take mma seriously.
As early as last week he’s calling out Klitchko. The guys just looking for a payday any way he can get. I hope to god Dana let’s JDS knock his head off and then cuts him.
by xbuckeyex05 on Mar 3, 2010 5:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he doesn't take it seriously
then he’ll get subbed or KTFO and he’ll get cut after a fight or two.
No big deal.
Get rid of the ramp!
Dude...
he is WAY over the hill. He’s nowhere near “good James Toney” anymore.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really hope weigh ins
don’t turn into the same bullshit we see in boxing.
This has to be fake, no way Dana signs him.
did u see that pushing and shoving thing that mosley and mayweather did
it was so hilariously fake boxing is such a joke
im not sure if this is true
can anyone here understand a damn word coming outta the guys mouth this honestly could just be a bad communication problem
don't turn US MMA
into Japan MMA. Keep the freak show crap out of the major promotions =\
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My first thought…..WTF?
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James Toney was pretty fucking awesome
When he was in shape and in his prime. The guy has MAD boxing skills.
But now he’s fat, slurring his words, and will get subbed by the first guy he fights.
Dana dissing Herschel Walker and then signing James Toney?
I mean, honestly, at this point, in an MMA match I would pick Walker over Toney any day. He better be cross training his ass off.
Is he fighting at 205 or 265? I think this might be the rumored ‘Major Announcement’ that Dana has for us.
are you fucking kidding me?
you would pick Walker over Toney?
Wow just wow.
Yea, I would
Toney, at least as far as I know, has 0 takedown defense, and given how he’s trained for his boxing fights in the past 3 years (hasn’t really trained properly at all), I doubt he’s going to put serious effort into learning TD defense or grappling – at least not until he’s gotten subbed once or twice.
Walker, while old, slow, and generally robot-like in his movements (in MMA), could probably take him down and hold him there for 3 rounds without too much problems.
Of course, he could also get blitzed standing… But getting someone with no TD defense down is really not hard at all.
toney at least fights for a living
walkers an athletic 47 year old…..
Athletic, 6th degree TKD black belt with serviceable wrestling .
I’d take him over James Toney.
James Toney is too stubborn and lazy to learn any takedown defense, IMO.
I don’t think it takes much learning to defend Walkers TD.
by dancingChicken on Mar 3, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
walker’s 6th degree TKD black belt is worthless. how much 6th degree TKD did you see against greg nagy?
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TKD is not practical for MMA
I don’t know why people cite his TKD when his own camp said his striking was a borderline joke when he first came to AKA. You can train TKD at any strip mall in the USA..
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Bah. I can see how certain aspects of TKD can be practical in MMA. Obviously, punches are completely abscent from sport TKD, but the leg work should be possible to fuse with the traditional MMA trinity. I think it would look like Lyoto with more head kicks. Or something…
some guy will find a way to do some effective TKD in MMA. herschel walker is not that guy. can we agree on that?
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like dan hardy's kicking technique?
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Mar 4, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions
That's awful logic to me still.
The head trainer said that Walker’s striking was bad when he got there and now it’s good… thanks to the training he got at AKA. I don’t believe Mendez or Cook on that at all.
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by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Right.
Just further supporting what we’ve always known. the AKA hype machine is full of bullshit. So can we collectively stop referencing it as evidence of anything?
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by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I do, however, think we can take his bad striking as proof
that he started his MMA training with bad striking.
His striking is not AKA’s style of striking.
They’re all punchers/boxers.
For the most part, yes, TKD doesn’t translate well to MMA at all and clearly, it’s not the best TMA to jump into MMA with.
But TMA isn’t useless. Kicks, dodging, timing…these things come with years of training in any TMA.
Herschel’s plan will never be to strike with Toney anyways.
Evade and takedown…you can be sure that’s the only game plan Herschel will employ.
Herschel is wrestles good enough to take Toney down, strong enough to hold Toney down…and probably knows more than enough to submit Toney.
Never said useless
It’s not one of the more practical arts for MMA. That’s widely accepted knowledge.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Your assuming Walker could take him down
Your right we have know idea how much or how little takedown defense Toney has but let’s not forget Walker fought Greg Nagy (Nudge) a guy who had no takedown defense, no submissions, no ko power so Walker didnt have to worry about anything.
With this if Walker cant get him to the ground and hold him down than Walker is gonna get Knocked Out bad.
I’ll say this I thought Walker was good for his first mma fight but it was against Greg Nudge. Remember that.
Why is it whenever a boxer gets brought up, they’ll automatically get submitted in a minute? It’s seriously ridiculous how fast people jump on that.
"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni
Art Jimmerson?
No, but seriously. For me at least, it’s not any boxer. It’s just Toney. The guy is REALLY lazy. He was REALLY good back in the day, but it seriously seems like he doesn’t train anymore.
If, for example, other boxers like Cintron, or Darchinyan fought MMA, I would be pumped as shit.
Anyways, for me it’s not even a ’Don’t sign him’ thing. I seriously don’t mind if UFC signed Mike Tyson and Strikeforce signed a NASCAR driver. As far as I’m concerned, the orgs can sign whoever they like – if they think it brings viewers. I just don’t think Toney will do well, even at the lower level.
"it seriously seems"
Your inside knowledge of Toney’s life is STAGGERING.
mercer got subbed by kimbo slice.
think about that for a minute
by kanodogg on Mar 3, 2010 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But, but...it's Kimbo.
He’s a street fighting legend.
by MickDawg on Mar 3, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Irony is..
and the funny thing is, the same guy KOed Timmy
For less than ten seconds
If Timmy “tried to box”, every fighter ever “tries to box” simply by virtue of having to cross the cage before anything else happens.
herschel walker was basically unable to finish greg nagy on the ground. mercy stoppage by the ref.
point is, herschel walker is a football player.
james toney is, at least, a professional fighter and boxing champion.
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Yeah its not going to take much to get him to the ground. I’d take Walker over Toney on athleticism alone.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
if toney trained hard and worked on some TD defense for a few months, walker would be annihilated, no doubt about it.
if toney took it as a joke and just showed up, walker would be able to get it to the mat and use his minimal skills for a win.
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Not a chance… James Toney would flatten him with one combo just like he’ll do to some guys in the UFC. You people are ridiculous.
"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni
not a chance that toney could show up with no training and embarrass himself? sure there is. anyway, kind of pointless to debate how low a guy can go. more interesting to consider the opposite… how good could he be if he really gave it 100%.
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So you think it’s ridiculous when people assume a boxer’s going to get taken down and submitted, but jump on the assumption that a fat slow boxer like Toney will automatically knock somebody out with a combo.
You are ridiculous.
by MickDawg on Mar 3, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh wow
Dude, this is borderline insane.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
i'm LOVING all the Herschel dap above
And I know you’re seething
=P
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Difference between Walker and Toney is that Toney actually has a background in combat sports. It’s just like a wrestler or grappler making the move to MMA.
Similar yes. Except most grappler’s making the transition aren’t washed up and punchy.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
A “washed up” ex-champion boxer still has TONS better boxing skills than the majority of guys in MMA. If you don’t believe that you’re really ignorant.
"I fight because I can’t sing, I can’t dance, and it beats working all day. Now ask me a question that doesn’t sound so fucking stupid." – Phil Baroni
If someone was willing to stand up and trade with him though...
Then he’s got a good shot to knock some fools out.
Wut?
Get the fuck out of here!
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He didn't say he signed with anyone...
He said he’d also sign up with Strikeforce or whoever was going to make a good offer. Just sounds like he’s babbling as usual or was there news other then this video as a source which confirmed this?
Excellent
Now we’ll finally get to see what this “side check kick” is all about
by DeepCerulean on Mar 3, 2010 4:33 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
MMA has a long way to go if somebody who has never trained MMA before can just sign with the worlds leading promotion.
This is retarded
Dana: “I just made the biggest fucking signing in the fucking history of martial arts. I signed a washed up fucking punch drunk piece of shit and all the MMA media can talk about is some curly haired nobody who is a highly credentialed NCAA wrestler and arguably the best fucking prospect in the world.”
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
are you kidding
ESPN will eat this up. Look at the nuthuggery over Hershel Walker
by DJ Soma on Mar 3, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, that’s probably the worst part about it. I’m just trying to say Dana doesn’t really have any credibility to tough talk promotions or the press anymore.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Well…to be fair James Toney has never really drawn a dime…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
oops, hit post too soon.
Toney has never drawn a dime whereas Walker is one of the better football players a lot of people have seen
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Geez, everybody calm down
Toney getting a shot is not some huge buttfuck to MMA’s credibility. He could go the way of Rolles Gracie, but the UFC is not putting on freakshow fights because they signed a former boxing champion.
Do I think he’ll be successful? Fuck no. But what’s the sense in being so offended over this?
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions 13 recs
I think people are at least being intellectually honest especially with all the crap of herschel walker in strikeforce.
Not at all
There are people here that have long defended the Walker situation and are shitting on a former boxing champion. It’s really silly.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
There’s a difference between Strikeforce signing Walker and the UFC signing Toney. I like Strikeforce, but I can tolerate a “freak show” or two there. Sorry if I hold the UFC to a higher standard.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
What standard, d00d?
You think he’s going to fight Greg fucking Nagy so they can rely on him to bring them desirable ratings?
It’s not even nearly the same thing. This is Rolles Gracie all over again. Nobody shit the bed over that because he’s a Gracie. This isn’t even important enough, in the scheme of things, to twist your sack over. He’ll probably get GNP’d by a pretty legit guy and get cut.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I hope so. I just hope he doesn’t get a lot of press and thrown on the main card. I’ll admit my immediate response of what the fuckery has subsided a little and I’m kind of coming to terms with this. It just seems like a lame signing.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Oh, he'll be on a main card
He’s going to make the money to warrant that (not to mention the publicity). Dana will make him fight someone pretty legit to prove what he’s been saying. He loses, he goes home and we move on with our lives. He wins and we go “Shit, give him someone even better, then”. No sense in any outrage..
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Yeah, we’ve seen this storyline before, and it doesn’t belong in the UFC. Its not that big of a deal, and it doesn’t detract from my fandom or MMA in any way. But it does lessen my appreciation for the UFC.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
by Neil Manich on Mar 3, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is 100% a move for the casual MMA fan and the boxing fans that are currently not MMA fans.
ESPN will cover it. Fans will tune in for the “anything can happen” nature of his fight. The UFC looks extremely legit if one of their mid range heavyweights cleans his clock.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
by Day Man on Mar 3, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If this lessens your appreciation for the UFC
I can’t do anything for you. I don’t pretend to know how to run the biggest MMA org in the world, but that’s why I trust Dana and the Fertitta’s to do it for me. This guy has better hands than anyone in MMA. If the UFC just signed an old BJJ player, guys like you would probably be like “Damn, I hope he can fight good!”.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I'm not saying this is a bad business decision
Honestly I don’t know anything about business nor do I care. I’m a sociology major so I clearly don’t understand how economics works. The UFC has always had this aura though of having the very best fighters. Freak shows belonged in other lesser orgs. “There are no easy fights…” Blah blah blah. Slowly but surely that facade is crumbling, and a high profile signing like this is like putting dynamite in the foundation.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
I see what you are saying, but I don’t feel it is that extreme. I’m not fond of the signing personally, but I don’t think it’ll negatively affect the UFC in any serious way. If anything, they’ll get some more exposure, and when everything is said and done, it will probably just be back to business as usual.
Too much drama
Honestly, I think you’re overreacting. Like your girlfriend says she saw her ex at the mall and now you don’t think you can marry her. Some of the TUF guys that end up getting fights on UFC cards, to see if they can make it, are far less credible than Toney. Nevermind economics, maybe you don’t know a lot about boxing. The guy gets a shot and survives it, or he fizzles out and goes back to youtubing videos of himself in front of his trophy case. Don’t see the harm at all..
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
If my girlfriend saw her ex at the mall
I would fucking kill her. She better walk everywhere with her eyes closed!
Seriously
That’s why I only date blind girls.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
And only blind girls date you...
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
I said mine first.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
C’mon, Blackout, you know better than to tee one up like that
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Not really
I don’t mind taking a shot here and again.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Let me guess, you’re horribly offended that Kimbo Slice and Brock Lesnar are in the UFC as well, right? I mean, what qualifications did they have!!???!!?
kimbo beat james thompson
lol
last guy who beat him in all his relevancy, is know being ducked by fedor
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Mar 4, 2010 5:44 AM EST up reply actions
I believe that most fans will put the UFC to a higher standard than Strikeforce. The UFC really doesn’t need Toney at all. Also, add in what Dana White has said about signing someone like Toney ( I mean, come on, he is just an attraction).
Yeah, what Dana said about signing someone like Toney
Pretty sure it sounded something like “I would really like to sign James Toney. He’s a real fighter.”
Parallels between Toney and Walker are plainly stupid. You’ve got to be an invalid to make that sort of comparison.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
How is it stupid? The comparisons are obvious, and I am surprised that you don’t see it. You seriously don’t see Toney as a freakshow-type fight? I mean, seeing it this way, if Toney fought in DREAM or even Strikeforce, would you have the same opinion? Also, I only see a small comparison from James Toney to Rolles Gracie. Gracie fought in MMA and is a BJJ black belt who isn’t past his prime and still the age where he could still learn. Toney is clearly past his prime, not in shape, and hasn’t even been relevant to boxing in a while. Also, like I said before, the UFC just doesn’t need to have Toney, and they would do just fine without him.
by chrisbboy82 on Mar 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A world champion fighter and a football player
Give me a break.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
You are greatly over-valuing that Toney WAS a World Champion Fighter. I don’t know why you are ignoring the obvious being that Toney doesn’t belong in the top MMA organization, the UFC, just as much as Walker didn’t belong on the main card of one of Strikeforce’s bigger cards. Age-wise, both are simply past their primes. As far as business goes, both are used more for name-value than actual value as a fighter, and just like how Walker was getting exposure for Strikeforce just from his name, I am sure that Toney will do the same for the UFC. I am not fond of the signing, however, I stated in an above post that I don’t think it is the worst thing in the world either.
I think you're under-valuing the fact that Toney, even today
is an above average heavyweight boxer. This isn’t somebody retired for 15 years coming out of the woodwork.
To reiterate my point
simply go look around at some heavyweight boxing rankings. Toney is ranked in the 10-20 range. That’s nothing to sneeze at.
its this kind of stupidity that makes it hard not to mock openly
next they’re gonna tell us that K1 fighters have no place in mma
RESPKT DA TAKEDOWN!!!11ONE
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Mar 4, 2010 5:45 AM EST up reply actions
i’m not against it. he WAS a good boxer, so long as he works his way up the ranks, i’m not against it.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
by MicahW on Mar 3, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is win win for the UFC. Toney is going to generate major mainstream sports coverage, and if he wins that will continue. If he loses Dana can say “See I told you so”. And they are probably paying him peanuts.
by DJ Soma on Mar 3, 2010 4:40 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
And they are probably paying him peanuts.
I highly doubt that.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
they probably gave him a low base and a high win bonus or high ppv money. they’ll probably stick him in against someone good, have toney get killed, and send him packing just to prove a point to ESPN.
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
I had heard they offered the standard UFC contract (25show, 25win?) and he turned it down. I am thinking maybe he changed his mind?
maybe i’m the only one, but i’d like to see toney vs a striker. there is NO question that if toney fights a wrestler or a bjj guy, toney loses. but i’m curious, what does toney vs an MMA striker look like? Toney vs Cro Cop please
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
Toney vs Cro Cop please
Perfect.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Dementia pugilistica vs. Thinking about fishing
I can live with that.
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@deowade
by Damon O. on Mar 3, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
win win opponent. if crocop wins, a senior mma striker beat a senior boxer. if crocop loses, an mma striker who hasn’t KO’d a top level opponent in years lost to a boxer just out of his prime, lol
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
and who wouldnt want to see this happen to toney?
I'm old school hating Lesnar, I've been hating Lesnar since '08
by MicahW on Mar 3, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Toney's man servant that's in all of his videos.
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@deowade
not gonna happen.
toney will counter with the side check kick and it will be the end of cro cop.
by Phildo on Mar 3, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
that fight would be awesome
both guys will circle endlessly day dreaming of all the punches they’se seen flying to and from their faces
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Mar 4, 2010 5:47 AM EST up reply actions
That was exactly my thought on this as well. If Toney trains seriously, he’s going to be a handful for anyone on their feet. Yes we all know he’ll get destroyed on the ground, but with 4oz. gloves, James Toney is dangerous as hell.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 3, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
You stole my post.
TODDUFFEE!!!!
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by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
IOLE just confirmed on Twitter
Story coming soon.
UF(EliteX)C.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Thank you, thank you. Try the veal and touch the waitress' ass on the way out.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
What’s the bet in the next couple of hours we hear an announcement that Houston Alexander has resigned with the UFC?
UFC 110 was the greatest live event I have ever attended. What a crowd!
by MMAussie on Mar 3, 2010 4:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nah
Cain’s gotta better fights to take, now that he’s in the title picture. The TODDUFFEE suggestion was pretty solid.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Kongo shut Cain’s lights off twice during their fight. Toney might be a bit slow and mildly insane but I see him KOing Cain if they slug it out.
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@deowade
Toney vs. Kongo would be a pretty good first fight as well.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 3, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one that wants to see a tall gangly white boy (Struve) take Toney’s arm home with him?
by ufc4 on Mar 3, 2010 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let the man STAND AND BANG! one time, ha, yeah, ugnh! get on up! Afterwards, sure.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 3, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Dos Santos
A guy who isnt recognized as the top 5 hw he is and can be seen as the MMA boxer vs a “real” boxer. Plus it’ll mean this freakshow ends quick :)
Google Ron Paul!
Yeah, but I meant boxer vs MMA boxer situation.
by dancingChicken on Mar 3, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
The same one as always
Wade through the punches until he can hit them with one of the Cinder Blocks that he calls hands.
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@deowade
Why is everyone freaking out about the Toney signing?
Look at his shirt. He clearly trains UFC.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
by Day Man on Mar 3, 2010 4:56 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Toney vs. BROCKLESNAR
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
Boxing Chamption vs MMA Champion
First make toney fight kimbo for build up, then dana can say “well he beat kimbo so he definitely deserves title shot”
AND THEN CHAMPION VS CHAMPION! the fight would be a joke but imagine the ppv buys!
It would just be double leg followed by lesnar lunch-buckets, toney won’t have a chance against the lunch-buckets
Kimbo vs. Toney, make it happen
Or Toney vs. Cro Cop
by Hardcase on Mar 3, 2010 4:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
+1
Toney vs Kimbo, then vs Crocop, then vs Duffee.
kimbo would get laid out.
All kimbo has is boxing, and Toney is better at it. But it would get a lot of attention for sure
Well, boxing and the Kimboplex. Didn’t he take Mercer down and sub him in round one?
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Not quite
Mercer tried to take Kimbo down, and got caught in an amateurish standing guillotine that he tapped out to.
With the upcate concerning Juanito...
…gotta throw in Tony vs. ’Page as an option now. A catchweight, or hell, Rampage can just not cut weight and fight at HW.
Dos Santos
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Feed him
lol
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 3, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I’d be more interested in seeing if Toney took it seriously, and trying to build him. He could be a strong ratings draw. Give him a winnable fight. If he looks terrible then just cut him, no harm done.
But I don’t see the point of throwing him into the deep end and trying to score a quick “MMA > Boxing” victory.
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If you really want to make the UFC look good...
Put him in there with Chael Sonnen and watch the double leg, face pounding, repeat for three rounds (or when Toney gives up half-way through round two).
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
by Day Man on Mar 3, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Can you imagine the trash-talking that would ensue?
Brilliant suggestion, if only for the comedy that we would all experience listening to the pre-fight verbal warfare.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Mar 3, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 5:23 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
I guess Toney isn’t from Georgia.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
dana
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I want to see how Dana can spin this into saying they signed a proven fighter
Who has been in combat before as opposed to that guy Strikeforce signed who played football and just had his first professional boxing/MMA fight ever over a month ago. Clearly Dana has made the better “old guy freakshow” signing here.
The Seattle Seahawks offense is driving......right into a brick wall at the end of the tunnel.
I just heard Strikeforce signed Muhammad Ali to steal the thunder back from UFC
by pandaboy99 on Mar 3, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I am okay with Walker fighting and okay with Toney. Who the fuck am I to say that either guy shouldn’t fight. I’m curious who they will put Toney up against though. There was nothing said to even remotely suggest that Toney could stop a takedown, know how to defend against a submission or even defend against kicks for that matter.
Even against someone like Kimbo who is pretty one-dimensional Toney would likely have problems because Kimbo would not even remotely be scared to throw kicks like mad.
It's pretty obvious Toney will get the Kimbo treatment.
Not that he’ll go through TUF, but that he’ll get a main card fight, maybe on UFN, and he’ll get someone the equivalent of a Houston Alexander. Someone with little to no ground game, but can take and give some shots. You can be sure it ain’t going to be some squash match like the Nagy (spelling?) thing.
And the comparisons to Toney and Walker only go so far as high profile athletes getting a main card shot at MMA without any prior MMA experience to garner ratings, and that they’re both in their 40’s. I think that’s where the comparisons stop. Toney is coming from an pre-existing career in another combat sport – which, by the way is already one cornerstone of MMA, where as Walker was coming in from football. I had no problems with Walker, and I figure I don’t care either way about Toney either at this point. The way I see it: if Toney can turn new fans to MMA, that’s all well and good. I think there’s room enough in MMA for the hardcore purist and the mainstream. If MMA is really going to go mainstream, there has to be some compromise here and there.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
I don't think they'll go very light
I think Dana is gonna give him a “prove it” fight with a pretty decent fighter. We’ll see, though. That’s what I would prefer to happen (since I have no desire to see him on a main card against someone like Jon Madsen, in lieu of a way better fight).
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Toney vs. Big Country. UFC 118: Battle of the Bellies
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
Maybe a Hardonk or someone of that calibur? Too bad Herring wasn’t still fighting…
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
Shit
Maybe he would. He keeps saying how he needs a high profile fight to come back. I’d be down with that.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
James Toney vs. Joey Beltran!!!
lol I see this happening
"The left hand brings death, but the right one even I am afraid of."-Mariusz Pudzianowski
Alright…
1) Toney is fat. He wants to fight at heavyweight which means he wants to remain fat.
2) Toney is not a draw. Please don’t confuse this with the UFC signing a guy who is a huge draw. (that being said, it will draw attention)
3) The purpose of this signing is not for James Toney to win a fight.
4) I’m not entirely sure that Toney ever has a fight in the octagon, knowing him and how he operates.
5) He fails drug tests fairly often.
That being said, I’m not completely against the signing. I just think it should be kept in context. It’s not the end of the world, it’s not the biggest thing to ever happen. It just…is.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions
I’m a boxing fan and I’ve always enjoyed Toney fights. Don’t know where you’re getting that he isn’t a draw. I’d say he is one of the better known names in Boxing. Definitely has more star power than Cintron or other boxers people have been throwing around.
by IWillPartyHard on Mar 3, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I am
excited to see who the UFC puts him against. It reminds me of the old UFC days where you had fights between people of different disciplines. He’s a one dimensional fighter, but a very good one.
I doubt he’ll be knocked out. I’d love to see him fight a good striker, followed by a good wrestler, and then allow a good heavyweight pound him.
Being overrated is overrated.
Juanito Ibarra, the former trainer of Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, told Sherdog.com Wednesday that he has been working with the 41-year-old MMA novice on the fundamentals he will need to add to his repertoire if he hopes to be successful in the UFC.
"We have been working on stretching, sprawling and movement, all the things he will need to get a handle on," Ibarra said.
Toney has amassed an impressive 72-6-3 record as a professional boxer, picking up championships in six different weight classes over his 21-plus years in boxing.
Ibarra said he wasn’t sure about an opponent or a date for Toney’s first bout. The trainer said he hopes Toney would be matched up with Kimbo Slice, noting that Toney should be given an opportunity to "get his feet under him" in the UFC.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Toney-Working-with-Ibarra-for-UFC-Debut-22993
He's in big trouble.
If one of his fundamentals is stretching, there is no telling what the others are. Turning around? Standing up? Jumping? It could be a very short first fight.
Chael Sonnen
Before long Chael Sonnen will also be complaining that James Toney knows how to speak English but chooses not too. My God, what was Toney saying? Was that English?
Shut up, Tito.
A couple questions
1. I’m curious — Is there anyone here who doesn’t like freak show fights, called Mercer v. Sylvia a freak show fight but is not put off by Toney’s signing with the UFC?
2. Also, who thinks the danger of staging freak show fights is vastly overstated?
I would love to see more freak show fights. Sign Iron Mike, the Walkers, the Sapps and the Cansecos. Even if these guys overshadow the real fighters, who cares? You’ll get to see both the freaks and the legitimate fighters go at it. The principal downside at this point seems to be some vague notion of offending the “integrity” of MMA, and I just find that to be nonsense. If staging freakshow fights ruffles a few feathers in the hard core MMA community, so be it. If more money comes flowing into MMA as a result, the talent level of fighters will ultimately rise and, in the end, we’ll get to see more quality fights than if we kept the freaks out.
I don’t mind guys trying the sport, and if they have enough name value there is no reason for them to have to sign with some regional promotion to “prove themselves.” What I do mind is a “celebrity boxing” approach where these guys fight each other. That’s why I’m so opposed to Canseco/Walker
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
what I don’t like about it is that Toney is only doing it for the money. At least Walter did if for the love of the sport and to bring recognition to it. Toney is just a loud mouth thug who is looking for another pay day because he’s forgotten about and doesn’t know how else to make any money.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Mar 3, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
If you think most fighters fight for honor and not money
You’re sadly mistaken.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Oh, I know they fight for the money. You’d be an idiot to get in the cage and get beat up and not make much money (even though some do that). I just don’t like how he’s going about it. If he wants to fight mma so bad then why does he have to call out the biggest organization? Because he only wants to get that money. I don’t blame him, get all that you can. I just hate it for others that love the sport of mma and may never get the chance to fight in the UFC because people like Toney come in and get fights instead of them.
I see both sides. I understand the business part of it and I’ll definitely be tuning in to watch him fight. I’ll be watching like I do when I watch Tito, just waiting for him to get beat.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Mar 3, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
So you'll probably be rooting against him
You don’t have to want to be friends with every fighter, do you? I don’t think motivation effects credibility to any large degree.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
no, I probably won’t cheer for him. I don’t think you have to like every fighter either. That’s actually good to have a few fighters you don’t like. Makes fights more interesting.
I understand where you are coming from with the credibility issues. He obviously has great boxing skills but then again when was the last time he fought? He’s not relevant anymore. Oh well, I’ll watch. I’ll be entertained. In the end I guess that’s all that matters.
Shut up, Tito.
by TruthSeeker1223 on Mar 3, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
From Wikipedia:
On September 12, 2009, James fought heavyweight fighter Matthew Greer (12-5-0 11KO) at the Pechanga Resort & Casino, looking visibly trimmer than he had been in recent years.1 James won via TKO victory in round two.
Greer buzzed him in that fight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see any problem with doing something just for the money. If I were in a situation where the money dried up in my career, damn right I’d go elsewhere.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
I don’t know… I have to admit and say that I do like my occasional freek show fight, especially in Japan. They really know how to get their freak on there. I mean, I love Minowaman. That pretty much ends all discussion right there.
Honestly, I don’t want to see such an overt fight like that displace a legit match-up, but heck, sometimes they’re just kinda fun.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
Yahoo! Cagewriter has an article up
James Toney may be a big mouth but he’s one smart dude. The IBA heavyweight champ put out the bait and he just hooked a big fish in the UFC. The 41-year-old boxer, whose paydays have dried up in the ring, has signed a deal with world’s biggest mixed martial arts promotion.
Toney began to lay his trap back in January after UFC 108. He crashed the postfight press conference at the MGM in Las Vegas and demanded that UFC president Dana White step up to the plate. After several meetings with White and several more videos where Toney said the prez was afraid to bring him against his “minor league” fighters, “Lights Out” finally got his deal. White confirmed to Yahoo! Sports’ Kevin Iole that it was a done deal.
Two things: 1.) The headline of the article was The UFC gets into the freak show biz: James Toney signs. I hope this quiets down the “Cofield is just a UFC shill!” crowd. 2.) Luke Thomas gets a shout-out :)
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/The-UFC-gets-into-the-freak-show-biz-James-Tone
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by CC11 on Mar 3, 2010 6:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Breathing like a fatman
WoW….REALLY? I have to say that toney will bring entertainment to the MMA fans. But if you watched that video he’s breathing like a fat pig.
WoW
Well the match ups are endless….let’s see. Toney vs. Chuck…..Toney vs. Kimbo…….toney vs. brock. I would love to see any three of those fights and see toney get f*cked up!!!
These reactions are kind of ridiculous...
If it’s a grappler, nobody seems to have a problem. But a boxer is automatically a freakshow somehow?
So Brock Lesnar, a wrestler with one MMA fight was a freak show? Rolles Gracie, a grappler with 3 MMA fights was a freak show?
Is Damian Maia, who’s striking is a pile of garbage and is basically just a submission guy, a freak show? “He’ll get KO’ed immediately!” is the same argument as “He’ll get taken down and subbed immediately!” yet somehow it’s not damaging to the credibility of MMA to sign a grappler?
Half the heavyweights that get picked up by UFC have 5 or less fights. Picking up an experienced fighter from boxing (who’s training with Rampage’s trainer, who may suck, but at least has trained MMA fighters before) doesn’t sound like it’s very damaging to me.
People were this pissed off when Brock got signed, and look how that turned out. Maybe the guy will be good. Maybe not. But I don’t see why Toney doesn’t deserve as much of a shot as Justin McCully. And if he sucks, he’ll be about as busy in MMA as Justin McCully.
by Jason H. on Mar 3, 2010 7:16 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I think people don’t like the signing because James Toney is over the hill in his own sport, and wants to jump into MMA now that he can’t be competitive against the great heavyweight boxers.
Also, even Lesnar had one fight somewhere else before getting into the big leagues. Toney just wants the big leagues so he can get one last good payday.(I can’t blame him for that though)
Rec'd
Exactly what I was saying earlier. If some aging, former ADCC champion signed with the UFC, people would be going bonkers.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
You mean like when Royce came back to fight Hughes?
Same kind of stuff was being said then man sorry.
Not nearly the same situation
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
You're right
Royce never won the ADCC, but was old a ground specialist that signed on to fight with the UFC. Same grumbling from the same people.
He came BACK and was served up on a platter for Hughes
Maybe you didn’t read anything I said.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Which gives him even more of a background
and people were still bitching (and rightly so). Toney is an over the hill out of shape boxer that has ZERO background in anything but boxing, it’s only right that people roll their eyes at this.
Hell people were even rolling their eyes at Satoshi Ishii jumping in and he wasn’t 41 and out of shape.
It isn’t that this guy is a boxer, it’s that he’s coming over at 41 with ZERO experience and just circumvents the process that most all other fighters have to go through. It’s insulting.
Who was shitting a chicken over Hughes and Ishii??
I think you’re just fishing, and you’re gonna be on the lake all night with this material.. If this was Roy Jones I bet you’d be dancing in the streets right now (guess who else is 41 with no MMA experience??).
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Hughes?
What are you talking about now and why would I be happy if it was Roy Jones? I’m confused. Maybe I’m off but I thought your point was that people wouldn’t be moaning if it was a grappler. All I did was point out that people would have groaned no matter what the guy’s background is.
Hughes fought Gracie, no?
It’s not a parallel point.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
If Fabio Gurgel signed to fight for the UFC as a heavyweight after testing positive twice for roids and admitting on national TV that he had brain damage, I don’t think anyone would be going bonkers for that exciting transaction. Because that’s about the best potential comparison you could make.
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 3, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Although I think you and blackout raise several fair points, the problem lies with Toney himself, not what he represents. A veteran boxer giving mma a shot is a great thing. A shot, well-past his prime boxer with seemingly little interest or understanding of the sport and who has failed multiple drug tests does not meet the standard that we have come to expect from the UFC. I also find it funny that so many people who are pissed off at Barnett or Overeem for roiding are okay with Toney. It’s lunacy.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Overeem hasn't and Barnett has tanked an org
Toney gets one shot and he better not get babied.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
That organization was tanking with or without his input.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
Stake in the heart
And that’s not arguable.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Also I’ll just reply to myself because I don’t want to shit this up with multiple threads, but Heavyweight in boxing and HW in MMA are kind of different. I dug up Toney’s last fight, and he weighed in at 217lbs. That’s the size of a LHW, not a HW.
At LHW he actually has a lot less of the big wrestler types to worry about, it’s a fairly striker heavy division. Might improve his chances of actually doing something decent.
Don’t get me wrong, I honestly don’t think the guy is going to make a splash at all. But I think his involvement is interesting, and it’s the closest we’ve gotten to relevant boxer in MMA.
The guy may be older, but he’s still holding down a few of those random alphabet titles in boxing
That's the problem with his mentality
I think he is of the opinion that heavies in MMA are plodding and wouldn’t be able to get a shot in on him while he’s picking them apart. He’s sorely mistaken.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Do you think he’d be fighting heavies though?
The matchups at LHW are fairly intriguing. How do you think he’d do against, say, Stephan Bonnar? Or a Luiz Cane?
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXkcYul1LRo
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I LOVE IT
I missed those good old boxing vs Ninjutsu match-ups. We will have plenty of relevant fights anyway, can’t we have some fun with Toney? Maybe he will KO someone and we will be impressed, maybe he will tap so fast we will laugh, in any case it’s a win win situation.
"You hit too hard, too hard, too hard..."
Well of course people on here are going to b!tch because that’s just what most online mma fans do. But I personally had no problem with Strikeforce signing Hershel Walker and I sure have no problem with this. Although probably over-the-hill Toney is still, to the best of my knowledge, the highest caliber professional boxer to try his hand at mma. The dude fought for the heavyweight title just a few years ago (and won it for about ten minutes before a failed drug test, which I always thought was bullsh!t btw). I don’t think he’ll be successful in this venue for obvious reasons, but the level of whining, crying, and complaining on here is ridiculous. Worst case scenario, he goes out there and gets submitted in the first minute. Then so what? Best case scenario he draws the UFC alot of mainstream attention and revs up the whole “mma vs. boxing” angle, possibly bringing in boxing fans in the process, in much the same way Brock brought in wwe fans. Was it hypocritical for Dana to sign Toney while bashing Walker? Possibly, if you ignore the fact that Toney has been a combat sport athlete his entire life. But even if Dana is a hypocrite, this is news? Bottom line, things just got very interesting and in the end thats what matters.
he's from detroit
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Mar 4, 2010 6:01 AM EST up reply actions
WTF is this shit?
Dana White is a hypocrite but this downright laughable. Kimbo Slice is serious about MMA and Herschel Walker is fighting for reasons beyond mere monetary compensation, while at 47 is still a well-conditioned athlete. The odds are against the UFC tossing this guy a can like Strikeforce did for Walker. It would be well worth the $44.95 to watch Cheick Kongo or Gilbert Yvel pound him into ground sirloin.
Dana White is so stupid you would pay him to watch this?
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
although dana is a hypocrite when it comes to other orgs
i dont really see a down side in this , although toney is over the hill he is still a champion boxer and it should be a fun fight to watch
toney vs any hw in the ufc will be more enjoyable then walkers fight which was very boring and very sloppy
Toney vs. Crocop/Barry/Hardonk
Training with Juanito is not gonna help him check leg kicks, just ask rampage
YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
James Toney vs Kimbo Slice! Give us, us freakshows!
Baby steps, Lorenzo and Dana. Eventually the UFC will become PRIDE 2.0. You can do it.
Next on the list: fighter entrances.
I specializes in grammar fail.
Method to Dana's madness,,,,,,,,,
Look people……. Dana let that BIG mouth douchebag into the UFC for a reason. To teach that fat bastard a lesson!! Toney’s been talking alot of trash on the net making video blogs calling out Dana and saying he’s scared to let him in the UFC. Ok Toney…….Dana has granted your wish now the pain shall begin for you because Dana is going to match you up with real fighters. Let’s see there’s Brock , Lidell, Couture, I even dare to say Ortiz. and I don’t like Ortiz because he sucks. But he can beat Toney. I can’t wait to see the after fight interviews with toney when he loses every fight in his short UFC career. Toney will be humbled by the time he is fired by DANA!! Can’t wait!!
ive seen this CP on like 5 stories
doesn’t this coutn as spam?
"he's the best punchy face man in the buisness"
by blubber_guard on Mar 4, 2010 6:02 AM EST up reply actions
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