If Fedor Emelianenko Leaves Strikeforce, Is the UFC the Only Alternative?
by Kid Nate on Mar 3, 2010 2:10 PM EST
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Mike Chiappetta at MMA Fighting (who also writes for UFC Magazine, ""the approved news of the UFC"") breaks down some of the problems with Strikeforce's non-exclusive contracts and why the same won't happen to the UFC:
So Strikeforce is hardly the first organization to have a fighter hold out; it's just that the circumstances with non-exclusive deals tilt the leverage away from the organization and towards the fighter -- or at least a fighter with the clout of Emelianenko.
Strikeforce's willingness to free certain fighters for possible paydays in non-U.S. promotions is an athlete-friendly gesture, but can now work against them. Should negotiations get ugly (and there's nothing to suggest they've yet devolved to that level) Emelianenko can simply walk away -- or threaten to walk away -- to a promotion such as DREAM or Sengoku, or even to fight under his own M-1 banner, as long as its overseas....
Keep in mind that Emelianenko's reps have a history of shall we say, hardball tactics. In 2007, he struck a deal with U.S.-based Sibling Sports that would result in a new promotion. That organization -- ironically, to be called M-1 Global -- spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees during contract negotiations. After agreeing to a $1.5 million bonus for Emelianenko and $2 million per fight to him and his management team, according to sources, the new M-1 company was in the process of planning its first show when Emelianenko's management declared him a free agent, saying he'd never officially signed a contract. They never ran a show.
In 2008, Emelianenko and M-1 signed a deal to have him compete in co-promotions with Affliction, but after just one fight with the promotion, his M-1 team asked for and received a reworked extension that would pay Emelianenko $300,000 per fight while M-1 would receive $1.2 million in fees for its services.
The really really intriguing thing here is this: nobody except the UFC has the money to outbid CBS/Showtime/Strikeforce for Fedor's services. DREAM has been held out as a possibility, and might serve Fedor for a placeholder fight against say Josh Barnett. Long-term until they get a major network TV deal in Japan, DREAM just isn't that big a player.
Here's my fantasy scenario based on the rumors I'm hearing fifth hand --
- Fedor and M-1 are pulling their usual game of changing the deal in the middle.
- They have to have other possibilities in order to justify risking killing Strikeforce.
- The only realistic alternative for Fedor is the UFC.
- His deal with M-1 could possibly create an opening for Fedor to leave M-1 and sign directly with the UFC, leaving Strikeforce holding a worthless contract with M-1 and not Fedor.
- The UFC's recent deals in Dubai might allow them to set up a non-U.S. company that could sign with Fedor and still having him fighting for the UFC, on U.S. ppv but not on U.S. soil. I'm hearing that one of the international relationships Zuffa's new middle eastern partners bring is with Russia.
- The timing is right for Fedor to be able to get a tune-up fight in the UFC (say Randy Couture or Cro-Cop) before having to face Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin, or Cain Velasquez.
But before we get our hopes up for a happy ending, let's remember that Fedor and M-1 Global are looking out for their own best interests, not the best interests of us, the fans.
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I’m pretty sure Dana White has gone on record and said that if Fedor ever signed with the UFC he would fight The BrockLesnar immediately.
That aside, why risk him losing a “tuneup fight” with Couture, thus destroying the biggest fight in heavyweight history?
Couture was rumored to have some clause in his contract where he fights Fedor if Fedor ever makes his way to the UFC.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Mar 3, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Couture would never be the same. Kinda like Timmeh.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 3, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that.
Randy never struck me as a mentally weak guy like Tim did.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Mar 3, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor would go compete in DREAM
and fight Josh Barnett. He expressed his interest in fighting him recently and Josh just signed there.
The BIGGEST fight in UFC HISTORY???
To who??? A few hard core internet fans….thats all….
I can think of a dozen HW fights with Brock that DO NOT involve Fedor that would be MUCH BIGGER!!!
The PPV buyers dont know Fedor…
The ones who SHELL OUT the money to the UFC dont give a rats ASS about FEDor!!!
They dont care about PRIDE…
Now, If the UFC was smart, they would give Fedor One or TWO BIG tune up fights that had relevance to them…
The only way US/UFC fans would even care about Fedor is if he beated Randy Coture and Frank Mir Back to BAck…
Fedors Management would NEVER agree to a fight with Frank Mir, Shane Carwin, Junior DosSantos, or Cain Velasquez, or even Brock Lesnar UNLESS it was for a title fight!!!
Fedor would lose to all of those guys most of the time…
Fedors team/management is like a pyramid scheme with M1 at the top, and Fedor near the middle…
Fedor has a MYSTIQUE about him…thats about it these days…
I believe that Fedor would be ranked #5 HW if he were in the UFC FIGHTING right now…
Strikeforce has the most awful marketing machine
in the business…
They are taking products, fighters, and not marketing them…
They dont have the power or money to market them…
The UFCs marketing machine works because people BELIEVE what they are pumping down our throats…
If this is true, it’s not about a win for couture but just getting paid. I seriously doubt couture ever winning any more save facing scrubs. For couture, these days it’s not about winning, just getting paid.
On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.
Viva L' America
And I still want that fight
I’m not over the hype for that fight, nor am I over the hype for Kid/Cali Kid.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Couture's body looks shot IMO
Fedor doesn’t seem to show the effects of fighting forever like Randy has. Wouldn’t want to see that fight at this point.
Faber/Kid is still a good one though, although I’m pretty certain Faber would just put him on the mat and guillotine or RNC him.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Mar 3, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Couture is still beating guys that are beating guys. I don’t see how people can call him shot.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Well there’s a difference between Mark Coleman who lay n prayed Bonnar and Vera who dissapointed against Krystof then beating Lesnar in his prime or Sylvia or Gonzaga who had just kicked off CroCop’s head. That year off affected him.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
I don't care
If Rogan didn’t remind you ever 4-6 minutes that Randy is an old man (which the UFC has been doing since he started fighting for them), nobody would regard him as “shot”. It’s a ridiculous characterization.
Yes, I thought he lost the Vera fight. Yes, Coleman isn’t a world beater. But guess what, Randy’s out there fighting anyone that they put in front of him and doing well at it. I’m not saying he’d beat Fedor, but he wouldn’t get demoralized other. The man is still fit and knows how to gameplan. Even the slightest opportunity of victory makes me intrigued to see that fight before Randy goes away for good. Maybe even as his retirement fight. No shame in losing to Fedor in your last fight if you go down swinging.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
People love it
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I’ll admit that was a liberal use of the word. But a still of a fight is just about the worst way to describe how the fight went. Somebody could say “BJ doesn’t throw that many kicks” which is just true. But then I could post a picture of him kicking Diego in the skull and then post some stupid picture of an owl saying “ORLY” and it would seem like I was right. So I’m going to take your hollow argument and tell you to be condescending somewhere else.
The man known simply as "Christmas Cheesesteak"
Maybe shot is the wrong word to use here.
I think Couture is beginning to show the effects of years of in-cage abuse, whereas Fedor isn’t. Consider Couture/Vera; Couture barely edged a decision by pressing his opponent against the cage and looked like a shell of the man that mauled Gonzaga. Now consider Fedor/Rogers; Fedor was quick, mobile, and blasted a heavyweight known for his punching power. I wouldn’t want the winners of those respective fights to fight one another.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Mar 3, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don't agree
Maybe he’s gone down a few horsepower, but he’s still winning street races. The man doesn’t gas and he’s a wrestler. He’s using his jits more regularly (which is underrated, by the way), his wrestling and cage-control is still effective and he has never, ever relied on his striking power. So how does he have any less a chance at beating the guys he’s fighting than he did two-three years ago? Randy is a great athlete, with a world of knowledge about the sport. He’s not worrying me one bit with any discernible “decline”.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Couture has no shot at all of beating Fedor at this point
by Postpubescent on Mar 3, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Randys age IS slowing him down...
He showed it with NOG…
Even though Randy was quicker and pounded on Nog the whole time…Randy left himself open to the Nog Zombie like punches…
Nog has always punched as fast as a Zombie, but he caught Randy a few times…Randy NEVER had the power to be fighting at HW, but speed/quickness was more important than power…
Speed/quickness is an important advantage that Randy GAINED by moving to HW while he was a 205er…
NOW, most of the you HW talet are moving a whole lot quicker than the 40 sumthin year old 205lber…
I agree with a lot of this. Randy’s beating of Sylvia and Gonzaga was hella more impressive than his wins over Vera and Coleman. I agree that Randy isn’t the same as he was, but I’m jonesing for a fight with Fedor though. I still think it would be great, and as much as Randy’s declined, he still has a way of nullifying his opponents’ strengths.
Yeah, except taking a punch...
Now dont get me wrong, Randy can slip a punch, and has very underestimated boxing skills, but he cannot take a punch from a HW…
Not even a half punch…Brock DID take it easy on him…
Randy isn’t shot, but Randy/Fedor at this point would be elder abuse. Give Fedor a fair fight.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
As a retirement fight, even?
Randy’s heard this all before, and so have I. He’s been the underdog in nearly every fight in his career. I’m not saying he’d win (he wouldn’t), but making him out to be some poor old man is too much. I’d watch that fight, and gladly at that.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Fedor is fast as hell, has brutal KO power, and appears supernaturally strong. I don’t want to see one of my favorite, aging legends sacrificed to Our Lord and Fedor.
CIgano, Cain, Mir, Carwin and BROCKLESNARRRRR!!!! would all be more evenly matched.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
So check this out d00d...
People aren’t opposed to Barnett/Fedor, but Couture/Fedor is ritual sacrifice?
Couture>Barnett /LOL
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
/LOL
You probably missed that part.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
I’m 90% sure that his first fight will not be Lesnar.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Dana White quote from last July
White also said that Fedor would get the next crack at heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar if he signs with the UFC.
“He’ll fight for the title first,” White said. "What does he need, a tune-up fight or something?
by WestbergIDFC on Mar 3, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Neat quote...
I still am pretty sure it won’t be Lesnar without a few other things changing.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Of course Dana White quotes are completely binding :)
by Postpubescent on Mar 3, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like the time he said Kimbo would have to go on TUF and win it if he wanted to fight in the UFC?
by ufc4 on Mar 3, 2010 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe he can fight James Toney
I seriously hope this is a joke.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
Dangit! Don’t you get my hopes up, Kid!
Last time logic did that and hurt me bad, real bad… =*(
That scenario would workout beautifuly IMO.
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m still stinging from that one too. When it comes to Fedor, it’s in the “I’ll believe it when I see it” column “I’ll believe it when I see Fedor physically in the cage on live PPV” column.
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Fedor not only kills promotions...
he apparently aborts them too.
by Razreshat on Mar 3, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
niiiice
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 3, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Dana would never deal with Vadim though.
On Y2K Alex Jones was on the radio yelling that Russian was nuking the USA.
Now is this an indictment of Alex Jones, or an indictment of Jones' fans.
It seems as though people love being lied to & having their money stolen from them.
Viva L' America
this can't be stated enough
the UFC will never deal with M1, inside USA or outside. The last negotiations were likely the final straw. The only way you’ll ever see Fedor in the UFC is if he cuts ties with M1.
And as we all know, in Russia the mafia is the one that cuts the ties, not you.
It is also one of the smartest moves that Dana and the Fertittas could do. M1 is poison. STAT AWAY!!!
Zuffa cannot deal with M-1 in any jurisdiction without risking their Nevada Gaming License.
The Nevada State Gaming Commission is really picky about organised crime. Regardless of why Zuffa is dealing with M-1, or where, the NGC will investigate them. If the NGC finds anything funcy, or if M-1 fails to cooperate fully, Zuffa loses their gaming license, and thus their casino.
This really has nothing at all to do with fighting at this point. Dealing with M-1 for any reason without a clever and opaque intermediary would kill Zuffa dead.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Fedor was part of M-1 when UFC negotiated with him last summer, the “organized crime” didn’t seem to be an issue
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 3, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Certain aspects about transparency involving M-1 were actually sticking points there.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
cool, didn’t know that!
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 3, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't the MAIN thing...
but from what certain reports suggested there needed to be more business transparency that was not being welcomed by M-1
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m bemused how Mousasi just walked away from M-1. I mean, isn’t he gonna find a horse’s head in his bed or something now? Anyways, that’s probably the best news to come out in February for me. Hopefully Fedor is next!
by Postpubescent on Mar 3, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
You beat me to it
The Fertittas’ advisors were smart and compartmentalized the different businesses so if one struggled the other couldn’t be leveraged.
by Roll for Life on Mar 4, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, Fedor is not going anywhere. He owns 20% of the company. Unless M-1 goes belly up, I don’t see the UFC and Fedor ever coming to terms.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Mar 3, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
while M-1 would receive $1.2 million in fees for its services
Other than waking Fedor up from hibernation, I’m curious to know what services M-1 actually perform?
None
It’s a consultation fee, which in many industries is akin to paying someone not to work with someone else. Which, in this case, doesn’t even make sense. Vadim’s basically a bank robber in a russian tailored suit.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Didn't they bring in a ton of oversea's viewers? something like 10 million or so?
even the majority of that was on free TV, its still eyeballs, still i chance to get advertisers on board.
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 3, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
i think i was drunk when i wrote that ^
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 3, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
If I could sober up in 7 minutes, I'd still be dating my ex-girlfriend.
We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms, turning every good thing to rust.
by Anthony Pace on Mar 3, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Fedor could go to Dream. UFC wouldn’t put up with their bull. He would end the contract and kick him out.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 3, 2010 1:42 PM EST reply actions
And I'm fine with that
I’m starting to become less and less enamored with the idea of Fedor in the UFC. I think he would be better off spending his remaining fighting years in Japan, where pushing around monies underneath tables is regular practice. Make DREAM huge there, UFC huge here and I’m golden.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Let's be real. Fedor is a mma hardcore fan fighter. To casual fans he's just another fighter.
And by staying out of the CBS cards he’s never going to cross over to the general MMA market.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 3, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Internationally, he already has
Are you trying to say the UFC couldn’t make Fedor popular? Not sure I understand your point exactly.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
The UFC definitely could.
They have the experience as well as his highlights.
Strikeforce has neither.
I meant in the US. Yes, the UFC could make huge here.
Strikeforce could do that to a point but never at the same level as the UFC.
by snakecharmer1340 on Mar 3, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
100% agree there.
I’m really thinking Fedor in the UFC would come with so much baggage and bullshit. The way M1 does business is perfect for Japan for sure. I just forsee him beating the UFC HW champ, whoever it is at that time, and then holding out for more money. It’ll be one big clusterfuck.
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
I think Josh Gross went into pretty good detail about the M-1/Strikeforce situation on his radio show. Apparently they are going through a change in their managment and are now not happy with how M-1 was portrayed on the CBS card with Strikeforce. They wanted the event to be seen as a co-promotion and not just a Strikeforce event (sponsored by M-1). According to Gross it looks like they are working everything out in time for Fedor to fight Werdum either in May or June.
by Stroma on Mar 3, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was all CBS Saturday Night Fights
Strikeforce had their name said what maybe twice during that whole broadcast and M-1 I dont think ever got mentioned but their name did appear on the screen at certain points.
Could be mistaken though.
As long as Fedor is fighting top-15 competition, I don’t care where it happens. Barnett, Werdum, Overreem, all good from this vantage point.
by Postpubescent on Mar 3, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Everytime the idea of Fedor fighting in the UFC is brought up....
it gets my hopes up….. and every time they come crashing down. And yet my hopes are sky rocketing again right now. I hate this roller coaster ride,.
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by DJ Pullout on Mar 3, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
agreed, lol I hear u brother,
I also was super pumped reading this article. I will just think happy thoughts until i hear some bad news. But also hearing Dana white. talk in the the last Q&A also gives me litte hope. He hinted something about fedor.
If Fedor goes anywhere, he goes to Dream.
That said I don’t think he’s going anywhere.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
Yup. Unless M-1 drops the co-promotion demands, I can’t see how he’ll ever fight in the UFC. And I personally don’t care that much. For two years now, the vast majority of news around Fedor has had almost nothing to do with fighting. I feel pretty done with the whole thing. If he shows up in the Octagon someday, great.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 3, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he goes to Sengoku.
They need a final nail in the coffin, and M1 could be just what they need.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
M-1 and Ishii? That’s like 15 nails in the coffin.
Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing.
by lowellthehammer on Mar 3, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
At this point if I was the UFC I would not even make a call to Fedor’s peeps if he leaves Strike force. I know folks dont want to admit it but the Fedor fighting in the UFC, ship has sailed. At this point Im not sure Fedor cares enough about fighting to run with the best Heavy weights in the UFC.
by logan00 on Mar 3, 2010 2:01 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Undercover
The more i look at past and this, the more i think Fedor is Dana’s under cover mercenary. lol
It’s like Fedor going to organisations, winning, than canceling the fights and ruins them. Hmmm lol
by Darko Serbia on Mar 3, 2010 2:07 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
“If Fedor Emelianenko Leaves Strikeforce, Is the UFC the Only Alternative? "
No. Zuffa may be, but not neccesarily UFC. I’d love to see Faber, Brown, and Aldo try to triple up on him. Strikeforce wants to attract attention with freakshow fights? TAKE IT TO ’EM, DANA!!!!!!!!!!!!
by some schmuck in texas on Mar 3, 2010 2:12 PM EST reply actions
I’m just now hearing that the Fedor/M-1/Strikeforce situation will be resolved within a week and that the Werdum fight will go ahead in May.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 3, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions
As expected by most but hey, lets publish all the conspiracy theories out there before then! There is a deadline people! =)
Right
Since it’s only good times if it’s not about your favorite org.
But yeah, this seemed pretty certain, and I hope it’s true.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
not that it is confirmation but TSGIGOR did say the fight was on and that Fedor had begun training on Monday.
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 3, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
didn’t he withdraw because of a hand injury?
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 3, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
well I am learning all sorts of stuff today
"For some reason Dana White doesn't like me, and I don't care enough to find out why. So he can go pound sand up his ass as far as I'm concerned."
Don Frye
by keyboardwarrior on Mar 3, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
CBS better pick it up! Oh man cnt wait!
I'm gonna make a bold prediction here and say Cain "pillowhands" (as some of you have called him) lol Velasquez catches Nog right on the chin and finishes via strikes on the ground. Nog looked good against an old Randy. It didn't show me much. We’ll see.
by xFenixKnightx on Feb 18, 2010 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
by xFenixKnightx on Mar 3, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor is the hottest girl you've ever met
And she would totally date you, but her ex-con ex-boyfriend (Fink and co) won’t stop threatening you and showing up at her apartment. Sure, she’s hot, but is she worth all that trouble?
Damn you, Fedor.. Stop playing with my heart!
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Blackout612 on Mar 3, 2010 2:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh chit
^^^^^^^^^^That, by the way, was my 10,000th BE Comment. Party at my house.^^^^^^^^^^^^
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
That’s about 15 comments/day. You must be as productive at work as I am.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Mar 3, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha
Good thing I’m in charge, I suppose. You have to account that I’ve gone overseas a few times and don’t comment at all when I do (since I can’t watch my recorded fight’s until I return and I hate spoilers).
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
Not visiting Bloody Elbow for a couple of days after events is actually pretty difficult.
I do that routinely.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
10,000?
Holy crap, dude. We joined the same month and I have barely cracked 3K. And I thought I was addicted to this site…
You have to be the man... you have to be very, like, alpha male with her. You know? Decide what you do and everything. So, show her who's the boss, you know? - GSP
Ha
I don’t know whether to be proud or ashamed.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
lol
hmm tough one, but i would be more proud. It just means ur pretty hard core dude . congrats and hey is the party at ur house byob?
You know what you do in that situation?
Kill the ex.
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by Ubernoober on Mar 3, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just love how the mere mention of Fedor’s name in same sentence turns everyone’s inner fanboy into a sobbing sorority chick. (myself included)
I want to believe…it’s just….I’ve been hurt some many times before…
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by beery_pbr on Mar 3, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So if I follow?
The dream scenerio is for the UFC to hold all the cards and there be no competing promotions? Does Kid Nate’s “Dream Scenerio” also include these fighters working on the White/Fertitta collective farms picking cotton?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
They aren't just picking cotton, dude.
They are under contract to lease parts of the land for sharecropping. And if the fighters are real good, then Dana will let them tend to the rabbits.
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by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
i think most people’s dream scenario involves Fedor fighting top tier talent in a sustainable promotion. Whether that happens to be the only current production with that level of talent and business track record is rather irrelevant. Most people are not so delusionally nostalgic to want to see Fedor vs Bob Sapp under the Dream banner.
The Fedor aspect is irrelevant
My point is that people continually try and throw dirt on every promotion that isn’t the UFC.
Can people not appreciate that Strikeforce brings free content to fans and a high paying alternative to the fighters?
This sport will never grow past niche status until more than a handful of top athletes can make a living at it.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Well to be fair those people that were throwing the dirt on some promotions were right more than once.
Just BE.
Fair enough
However Strikeforce has been a much better run promotion. Too many people seem to be sheep whenever Dana White says fans should hate competition.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
He might even let them work in the “big house”.
by John Nash on Mar 3, 2010 3:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
NATE'S ANTI-ANTI-ZUFFA!!!!!
Make up your damn mind Nate, you can’t be anti-everything.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 3, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
No ones making you read them.
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by JamesR on Mar 3, 2010 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Fedor is making himself less attractive to the UFC
Fedor to the UFC isn’t going to happen. If Fedor/M1 fall out with Strikeforce all they’ve shown is that they are IMPOSSIBLE to deal with and don’t respect contracts? I don’t think the UFC is dumb enough to deal with Fedor after that. If Fedor were to get the UFC title he’d hold out. Sure the UFC could sue, but why go into a situation where you expect litigation.
Dana is a huge MMA fan, so I’d never say he won’t try to see a fight he wants, but right now the UFC doesn’t need Fedor.
Mir-Brock III will be the biggest MMA PPV ever. Brock v. anyone will also do close to 1 million buys. I just don’t see why the UFC needs to risk bringing in Fedor.
If Fedor wanted to go to the UFC he should have torn through 3 fighters in Strikeforce as fast as possible, building up his brand on CBS, and then renegotiated for huge money
Very interesting point...
The UFC’s recent deals in Dubai might allow them to set up a non-U.S. company that could sign with Fedor and still having him fighting for the UFC, on U.S. ppv but not on U.S. soil. I’m hearing that one of the international relationships Zuffa’s new middle eastern partners bring is with Russia.
The UFC wants to have a lot of global shows now, enough to keep Fedor busy outside of US soil with a Zuffa sister company based in Dubai. Still, I think the UFC brass would prefer to have Fedor vs Lesnar in the states.
i must not know much about legalese…b/c i thought a contract…was y’know, like an agreement that you would do something…that you had to do it.
Fedor doesn’t want the guys in the UFC. his one loss is on a cut. a bull**** call….but if Brett the Grimm Rogers cut Fedor open….you can’t tell me Brock or Carwin wouldn’t do it.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Mar 3, 2010 3:15 PM EST reply actions
As I’ve said many times, if the UFC manages to sign Fedor while he’s still the undisputed #1 heavyweight in the world, it means they hold the linear champ in every division of men’s MMA. It’s called Game Over.
I would have probably agreed with this in the past, but I think there’s a problem with this idea. It’s starts with the fact that Dan Henderson and Shinya Aoki are both the #2 ranked fighters in their respective weight classes. If Anderson Silva were to somehow lose decisively to Demian Maia (yes I know this is a long shot), and Dan Henderson destroys Jake Shields (very plausible), Silva would lose the #1 spot without Demian Maia necessarily leap-frogging Henderson. Hendo might end up ranked #1 in the world, and depending on successive defenses, he might actually be able to establish the SF Middleweight belt as more prestigious than the UFC one. You have a similar situation in the LW division with BJ Penn, were he to lose decisively to Frank Edgar, and Shinya Aoki, were he to also annihilate Gilbert Melendez. Not that either the MW or LW scenario is likely to happen with the UFC Champions being heavy favorites, but in both cases that would be enough of a monkey wrench to make things hazy at least, about who the best in the world is.
Outside of that though, yes, Fedor signing with Zuffa would make them the established major leagues of MMA, like the NBA is in basketball, and not just the biggest promotion in MMA by a very wide margin. I still think losing Hendo hurt them though.
I think the problem for the top fighters outside the UFC is the depth of the talent pool. Multiple organisations have thrown literally everything at securing fighters for Fedor and even some of those were ex-UFC guys who were cut for a reason.
For Dan Henderson, who does he fight after Shields? I’d love to see him fight Mayhem but that will pretty much clear out the division of top level fighters. It will be hard to stay #2 when you can’t show your skills against a good opponent.
by Roll for Life on Mar 4, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor is the Terrell Owens of MMA
Once you actually have to deal with all the bullshit, it just isn’t worth it. I hope we NEVER see Fedor in the UFC.
I do, 3 fights wouldn't be bad, just a year or two of bs, and be done with it
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 3, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
But would he get to three fights?
He might win one and then holdout
This.
And what if he loses to Cain in his first fight? What do you do with the next 2?
Yep
I’m afraid that’s probably what would happen. Dana would relish that. He’d almost have to sign a guaranteed deal, or get a big signing bonus.
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dana seriously hopes that fedor comes into the ufc and gets demolished by brock lesnar
i personally think fedor would pull out the win the way mir did the first time around after taking alot of damage
if fedor looses though he immediately isnt worth what M1 thinks he is, the only reason he can bargain for these contracts and hold out is cause he is the undefeated undisputed #1 heavyweight if he wasnt that anymore noone would want him
A little off topic but...
You said with the signing of Fedor “it means they hold the linear champ in every division of men’s MMA.” But isn’t Kawijiri the LW linear champ?
I think
B.J. Penn is universally recognized as far and away the #1 lightweight in the world.
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I totally agree with you BJ is recognized as the #1 LW but that is not the same thing as a “linear champion”. Linear champion is recognized by following the path of the belt regardless of promotional lines. Or as Ric Flair used to say “To be the man, you have to beat the man”. For example at HW, Fedor is the linear champion. With the belt starting with Coleman after beating Severn, then Maurice Smith, Couture, Inoue, Kerr, Fujita, Coleman, Nog, to Fedor.
In LW, there is almost no way a “linear champion” can be traced to BJ. You can start in Shooto with Uno vs Sato, or start with Gomi vs Mach, but the easiest one to start with is the LW Grand Prix in Pride and the belt ends with Kawijiri every time. Remember for much of the history of the LW division, the UFC didn’t even have a division.
Pulver => Ludwig => Penn.
Boosh? Or did I screw something up?
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by pdl on Mar 3, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ludwig’s fights with Penn and Morgan were at WW. He doesn’t lose at LW again until he fights Tyson Griffin. Then the Linear champion will end with Gray Maynard.
He's not starting with Pulver.
For what reason I don’t know.
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by lowellthehammer on Mar 3, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
what fantasy world do u live in
its bj then everyone else in the lw division
in a perfect world u could have
a four man tournament of
brock vs fedor
velazquez vs the mir/carwin winner
then throw JDS into the mix and the UFC heavyweight division is looking awesome
the UFC heavyweight mix
is looking awesome even without that tournament.
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thats completely true
but the one thing they’re missing is the consesus #1 heavyweight if thwy were to get fedor it would enter a whole new level of awesomeness
We have a couple great HW tourney’s going on right now.
UFC tournament
Cain/Big (Cain is the winner) vs JDS/GG
vs
Mir/Carwin vs Brock (1st round bye)
in a perfect world the winner of that will take on the winner of Strikeforce’s tournament:
Fedor/Werdum vs Overeem/Rogers.
After that there will be no debate as to who is number one.
People really need to stop with the fantasy scenarious, the reason Fedor will never sign with the UFC is simple. Their contracts are iron clad and he won’t be able to pull any of the bullshit he’s done with other orgs once he signs.
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it'z gettin to the point where i just don't care
forget Fedor…. he iz becoming irrellevant… hiz “managment” ownz every breath he takez …
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by keyboardwarrior on Mar 9, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
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