UFC 112: Invincible in-Depth - 10 Minute Preview
by Nick Thomas on Apr 5, 2010 9:05 AM EDT
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PrintSaturday, April 10, live on Pay-Per-View from Yas Island, Abu Dhabi:
Main Bouts:
Anderson Silva -700 vs. Demian Maia +500
BJ Penn -1000 vs. Frankie Edgar +500
Matt Hughes -500 vs. Renzo Gracie +350
Terry Etim -175 vs. Rafael Dos Anjos +145
Mark Munoz -170 vs. Kendall Grove +140
Preliminary Bouts:
Phil Davis -550 vs. Alexander Gustafsson +375
Paul Taylor vs. John Gunderson
Nick Osipczak vs. Rick Story
DaMarques Johnson vs. Brad Blackburn
Paul Kelly vs. Matt Veach
Mostapha Al Turk vs. Jon Madsen
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I am stoked for Etim v. Dos Anjos!
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
Does anyone know what time it will actually air live...
I think the germany show was on at 3 or 4 pm eastern time…
The only value I really see is Mark Munoz as Kendall has looked not-so-good recently.
Did you see the size of that chicken?
he looked great in his last fight
His last fight was against a great wrestler also in Jake Rosholt and I think Grove can pull off a slick submission again
" Im surprised GSP can get his jeans on with all these people clinging to his nuts"- Dan Hardy
I think Munoz has a little bit higher fight IQ than Rosholt. Jake seems to completely lose his composure the moment he gets put into a submission.
Munoz loses his composure when he someone kicks him in the head…
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i love those odds on gustafsson
sure phil davis looked good in his first fight but gustafsson has destroyed everyone hes ever fought and is a tough tough striker
good fight between prospects here but davis at -500 is way to high
Because “tough strikers” from Europe usually have what it takes to do very well against Div-I national champion wrestlers.
by George Lucas on Mar 28, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
congrats
well George Lucas just destroyed milk72
by jackmerridew on Mar 28, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
You’re seemingly suggesting a guy can’t be a good fighter because he fought in Europe. Gustafsson is a big prospect in his own right.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Charles Awad on Mar 28, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m suggesting that a guy with no wrestling credentials from a part of the world with no tradition of grappling expertise will most likely lose to one of the best wrestlers to ever enter the UFC.
by George Lucas on Mar 28, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So George Lucas thinks Europe has "no tradition of grappling"
Apart from inventing both both modern Freestyle and Greco Roman styles (theres a clue in the name there lucas, look hard and tell me if you can spot it) and countless other variations like catch wrestling and Oil Wrestling ( the national sport of Turkey).
Nooooooooooooo Lucas of course theres no tradition of grappling in Europe, its not like a European country has beaten America at the highest level of wrestling competition in the world, the Olympics, every time they have competed for the last 50 + years.
Could it be, George Lucas, that you have only watched Alexander Gustafssons one UFC fight which lasted all of 40 seconds and based your blinkered kneejerk response on this without realising he has excellent takedown defense and is extremely quick on his feet and hard to catch?
Are you just another sarcastic know it all patriotic american small minded dipshit? Hmmmmm…. I wonder.
Paniczoo reincarnated.
by ziiiiing on Mar 29, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Was with you till...
went there" "Are you just another sarcastic know it all patriotic american small minded dipshit? "
Way to be an asshole and prove to by your own brand of “know it all small minded dipshit.”
by Razreshat on Mar 29, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. That small-minded dipshit part was uncalled for… I`m guessing he went for a mmalogicesqueic ending. Not a good idea if you`re not mmalogic.
Come to think of it, might not be such hot idea even if you ARE mmalogic.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Too bad Europe is a whole continent comprised of roughly 50 nations, and Gustafsson’s not from one of its current wrestling powers. Sweden was last a wrestling powerhouse in the 1950s back before the Soviets started training guys. I’d say he has a lot to prove against world class wrestlers, given that wrestling is the absolute most important aspect of MMA and that he’s never been in the ring with a comparable competitor.
So yeah. Gustafsson is a suckers bet. Awesome to see that there are plenty of them too.
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 29, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.
I`m guessing you know how many that live in Sweden? Let`s just say that our total population is sligthly less than there are New Yorkers… Spread out over an area of 2000 km from north-south.
So, that would mean that based on poulation there should be about 40 decent American wrestlers for every decent Swedish wrestler? And still we get some medals now and again. (Please google Ara Abrahamian, Eddie Bengtsson, Martin Lidberg or Mikael Ljungberg for me. )
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Population doesn’t matter. There are more New Yorkers than Cubans too, and yet I’d be willing to guess that a lot more Cubans medal in wrestling or boxing than New Yorkers do.
The fight is simple to break down – What is the most important thing in MMA? Being able to dictate if the fight is standing or on the mat. Who’s more likely to do that? Not Gustafsson. If it wasn’t for the fact that the little gloves give him an imagined punchers chance, the line would actually be much further against him.
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 29, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.
Interesting. So in that case a good wrestler always win against a striker? And a BJJ-guy has no chance against a wrestler since the wrestler will dictate the pace and where the fight takes place? Imagine that… I have been hallucinating a lot then.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Good wrestlers beat good strikers probably 90-95 times out of a 100. They also beat elite BJJ artists well over 50% of the time because being on top will generally be scored as control. I think we’re a bit past the point where we should be discussing this.
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 29, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
I give you Sherk vs Penn, Anderson vs Hendo, Brown vs Aldo, Alves vs Hughes and Franklin vs Okami. That`s 5 fights. 3 of them for the belt, 2 of them for a title-shot. Now you owe me 95 examples to prove YOUR point. Correct?
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you really going to ask for 95 versions of striker getting taken down and losing?
Heck, every Semmy Schilt loss – there’s 14 of them. If it wasn’t for hometown judging against Medvedev who took him down close to 20 times in their fight, it would be 15. Add in Minowa’s fights with Choi, Zimmerman, Butterbean, Yvel, Leko – now I’m almost to 20.
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 29, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we are talking about different things here? I guess you`re talking about Boxer/Kickboxer vs Wrestler. Boxers a la Art Jimmerson vs Wrestlers a la Severn? I, on the other hand, is talking about modern day mma-fighters that are better at parts of the game than others. I`ll grant you that if a striker knows NOTHING about the groundgame (Butterbean?), the lay`n`praying wrestler will win, but as soon as you have a fairly all-rounded fighter, the odds even out. At championship-level, the better wrestler sometimes wins, but far far from your alleged 95%.
Oh. And if you can`t see a slight difference between giving 5 examples of fights at championship level and giving 14 examples of the same fighter losing over and over…?
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Semmy knew how to do submissions and tried to learn to stop takedowns. He just never got good at it.
Guys that are historically strikers end up losing that way generally several times in a career. Look at Gilbert Yvel for another example, or Melvin Manhoef and his losses to grapplers (not even necessarily elite wrestlers).
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 29, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Arguing with you feels a bit like:
- “I like icecream. I think it`s tasty”
Then you answer: “No. It`s bad for your health.”
It`s like you try to give a retort, but it`s slightly off topic.
1) What in the world does Semmy have to do with anything? (I`m guessing you`re dutch though)
2) “Wrestlers” have all of a sudden turned into “grapplers.” While all wrestlers are grapplers, not all grapplers are wrestlers..
3) Jake Rosholt. Clay Guida. Diego Sanchez. Please name the relevant common denominator.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Semmy Schilt was an MMA fighter first who competed in the UFC, K-1, Pancrase, and several other organizations. He’s the ultimate example of “striker who can’t stop the shot”.
If you’re looking for specific examples of wrestlers taking down strikers or smothering wrestlers and nothing else – look at how Joe Stevenson won 95% of his fights. Or Clay Guida. Or Sean Sherk. At this point, its rather difficult to establish some sort of list of what you want, because the goalposts aren’t even being made particuarly clear. Do you only want examples including a predetermined list of approved strikers – IE Rooze, Bean, Schilt, Hunt, and Graham aren’t acceptable? Do the wrestlers have to be All Americans? Junior All Americans?
Rosholt, Guida, and Sanchez all wrestled. Sanchez in High School, Rosholt at the collegate level, and Guida at junior college.
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 30, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
And while Gustafsson is an underdog, i wouldn`t call him a “Suckers bet”. You do know that oddsmakers tend to compensate for someone being a favorite to win, right?
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Nationalistic tripe aside, western Europe hasn’t exactly been known as a hotbed of wrestling in the last 50 years (Eastern Europe is another matter). Also, the Olympic wrestling styles don’t have is the ground control emphasis that enables American folkstyle wrestlers to adapt to MMA so quickly.
Ask any European fighter who has trained in America and they will tell you that they have a hard time finding training partners at home who can simulate the level of wrestling they encountered in the States.
And yeah. As a whole, there are probably a lot more excellent wrestlers in the States.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
western Europe hasn’t exactly been known as a hotbed of wrestling in the last 50 years
World Freestyle Wrestling Championships:
Last 7 years x 7 weight classes=49 gold medals.
European (mostly Russian) wrestlers won 43 golden medals
Americans won 3 golden medals.
by dancingChicken on Mar 29, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
A western European country hasn’t made the top 3 teams at the FILA World Championships in freestyle since the first competition in 1951 (East Germany, a Russian satellite, doesn’t count). Sweden has one top 3 in greco in the last 40 years. No nation from western Europe has made the top 3 since 1997 (Germany), and only 4 times out of the last 20 greco competitions has one placed.
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 29, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
So, Russia is dominant, the US usually sneaks in at least one guy, and Sweden hasn’t produced a world champion since 1952. They were the last non-German squad to win a title in freestyle 58 years ago. How does this refute that Western Europe doesn’t produce great wrestlers?
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 29, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I fucked up and misread the original post (Eastern instead of Western).
by dancingChicken on Mar 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
correction
8 years, 7 weight classes, 56 gold medals.
by dancingChicken on Mar 29, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
this matchup is the basic grappler vs striker
gustafsson has won the majority of his fights by 1st round ko and packs impressive power, davis has an untested chin but is a great wrestler
these are 2 untested prospects going at it and gustafsson has awesome odds
Gustafsson has a puncher’s chance, which doesn’t count for a whole lot against an opponent with takedowns like Davis.
by George Lucas on Mar 28, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Gustaffson has one of the finest right hand straights in the business already. He’s raw and rightly the underdog, but Davis did get tagged every now and then against Stann.
I personally think Davis is fast enough to evade Gustaffson, but he has much more than a puncher’s chance. That betting line is good value for him – which is probably what the oddsmakers were envisioning…
Ribbit.
And even if you disregard his earlier non-ufc fights and just take a closer look at the Hamman-fight, you`ll notice two things:
1) He dropped Hamman with 1(one) very quick straight punch. That`s something completely different than Stann`s punching style. I wouldn`t exactly describe Stann`s punching as quick and technical, but that`s just me.
2) He dropped Hamman with 1(one) punch, and Hamman didn`t seem to be weak-chinned in his last fight?
And if you take the time to watch his non-UFC fights, you`ll notice that he has what seems to be a decent sprawl.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
And if you take the time to watch his non-UFC fights, you`ll notice that he has what seems to be a decent sprawl.
You’ll notice a decent sprawl against some truly awful wrestlers. Davis will take him down effortlessly.
Phil davis might do just that, which is indicated by the +500 bettingline. Then again, it`s hard to say exactly how good Gustafssons sprawl is until he gets the opportunity to try it against a wrestler that ISN`T awful. At the moment, all we do know is that awful wrestlers can`t put him on his back.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Why are you discussing Stann? Is that a mistype and “Davis” is supposed to be there?
Hamman is vulnerable to shots right on the chin from straights. Once hit there, he crumbles. He didn’t get nailed quite on the button in the last fight – the power shots were looping shots to the ear or jaw just below the ear. Surprisingly, he kept going and didn’t crumble.
Anyways, I think Gustaffson probably brushed up on his wrestling and stand-back-up skills for this fight with the check he got for the last win.
Ribbit.
My bad. I was comparing the Stann`s striking (in the Davis-fight) to Gustafssons` as a way to see why I thought Gustafsson`s striking might be better suited against a wrestler of Davis` caliber. It was badly written. Sorry.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how it says 112 feature 6 legendary fighters
More like 3 or 4 I guess if you want to count Renzo. Sorry I’m not ready to mark down Frankie Edgar or Damain Maia as legendary fighters.
If you want to count renzo??`
He is definetly a legend in MMA just with his name alone.
" Im surprised GSP can get his jeans on with all these people clinging to his nuts"- Dan Hardy
by GOLDIGGAH on Mar 28, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL at saying if you want to count Renzo.
He is by far the most game fighter to come out of the most famous fighting family in the history of the sport. He is also the only guy to come out of that family who actually developed his non-BJJ skills and is not afraid to stand in front of his opponent.
Renzo is absolutely a legend.
Ah yes. Not being afraid to stand in front of his opponent. That`s a valuable skill for a BJJ-specialist. It has done Jorge Gurgel a ton of good.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Dustin Hazlett, Damain Maia...
not that I am not a fan. I LOVE those guys, but their decisions to stand with strikers in recent fights have turned out spectacularly bad.
Yeah. And I really prefer to see excellent BJJ instead of so-so stand-up.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm very much in favor of rounding out ones skills as MMA fighter...
however, deciding to go with your weakest talent verses your opponents best is very bad judgement.
Maia, in particular, better fix that thinking before this next fight lest he loose actual brain matter in the affair.
Maia better go for a flying rugbytackle turning into a guard-pull-sweep inverted armbar or something like that.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair. Loosening parts of your brain may not be good either.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what to think of this card. The lineup of fighters is outrageous. There are two title fights. But the matchups at the top are kinda lopsided.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Anderson Silva and BJ Penn are fighting people who aren’t credible threats
thats probably why it seems lopsided
by jackmerridew on Mar 28, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
Anderson should fight the Rancor and BJ should fight Jaws.
Blackout612- "Wuts teh UFC?"
Ubernoober- "It like two guy who just stand and swing for fence and try to knock each other shit out it awesome"
by Charles Awad on Mar 28, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd go over $50 for that card.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Mar 28, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
In thoise fights I`ll hope that BJ doesn`t go for the RNC and just use his jab to punch him on the nose. I`d also recommend him to stay close to the cage, cause Jaws would definately be more intimidating in open floor.
I`m less worried about Anderson since Rancors slow and wild striking is playing right into Andersson`s strengths. Rancor has a tendency to paw after his opponents. Rancor is basically slightly bigger version of Forrest Griffin.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
UFC promos are so regularly factually incorrect
that I can’t believe they put them out sometimes.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
You mean like the commercial I just saw for this card that said “Demian Maia #1 middleweight contender”?
by ufc4 on Mar 28, 2010 8:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is by default.
I mean them saying he’s working with Wanderlei on his striking. He hasn’t been there since last summer. He was coached by Dorea and training with Nog’s and Dos Santos before the Dan Miller fight. Now he’s working with coach Billy in Chula Vista, Brandon Vera’s muay thai trainer. Either they re-used clips from the Marquardt fight hype or it’s just effing lazy on Rogan’s part. My money is on the former, but can’t rule out either.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Guess i'm crazy DW
I don’t see any way Frankie can win.
"I drop knowledge so heavy it leaves the world unbalanced, Exterminate the spiritual force of all that challenge, I'm the lyrical apocalypse that crumbles the granite, Replacing you as the dominant species on the planet" - Immortal Technique
kendall grove
Underdog? I think not
" Im surprised GSP can get his jeans on with all these people clinging to his nuts"- Dan Hardy
"dismanteling the elite of the middle weight division, juijitsue master damien maia will stop at nothing to fufill his dream of becoming ufc middleweight champion"
it says this at the 9 min mark……….STFU ufc marketing team, Who was an elite middleweight that Damian Maia beat? Sonnen? Thats the only a level fighter he has faced ( I dont believe the hype I still would call him a B level fighter). The only A level fighter Damian Maia has even faced is Nate Marquardt and we all know what happened in that fight :)
" Im surprised GSP can get his jeans on with all these people clinging to his nuts"- Dan Hardy
Are you serious?
So Sonnen is a B level fighter and Marquardt is an A level fighter and yet Sonnen beat Marquardt?
Look I agree that the UFC overhypes but wins over Sonnen, Miller, and Quarry are solid wins. Miller and Quarry may not be elite but they are solid victories.
by bigdmmafan on Mar 28, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I am serious
I still stated he was an A level fighter , I am not that dumb I just exspressed my opinion. I think Marquardt came into that fight unprepared thinking he was going to run over Sonnen and that obviously didn’t happen. Besides Nate, Sonnen’s best win was Okami and besides that it was Paulo . I don’t think beating Dan Miller = title shot.
" Im surprised GSP can get his jeans on with all these people clinging to his nuts"- Dan Hardy
No but we all know the story.
Vitor – Injured
Chael – Injured
Dan – Left
Nate – lost last fight
Yushin – lost last fight
Everyone knows the UFC exagerates but it is part of the game. I mean do you think Strikeforce is gonna say Hendo vs. the guy who leg humped Mayhem?
No while watching Challengers, Jake Shields uses “American Jui-Jitsu” which combines wrestling, jui-jitsu, and striking.
Serra is a C level fighter
and he beat GSP, who is an A+ level fighter
by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 28, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Saying Serra is a C level fighter is even more retarded than saying Sonnen is a B level fighter. Serra is a world class Jiu Jitsu player with great power in his hands. Who has he lost to that makes you believe he is a C level fighter?
The guy has fought once a year for the last 5 years. At this point, most of his telling fights are like 7 years ago and are going to be rendered by anyone who’s defending him as unimportant.
A level fighters don’t scrape to get by Chris Lytle.
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 29, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Lytle survived three rounds agianst Hughes back when Hughes was considered to be first contender? Admittedly, Hughes dominated Lytle a bit more, but still.
And Serra`s fight with Hughes was veeeeery close.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
"Serra`s fight with Hughes was veeeeery close."
Too close if you ask the headbutt police.
But seriously, why do people regard Serra as having heavy hands? Because of the lucky punch behind GSP’s ear? Beating Twinkle Toes via punches? When else have his hands ended anything?
For a world class BJJ guy and heavy handed menace, he has allot of decisions on his record.
When else have his hands ended anything?Yeah. It wasn`t as if he knocked Shonie Carter or Chris Lytle in to the next dimension. I`m guessing it`s partly cause if you look at him, he looks the part of a heavy-handed guy. And Serra looked lost on the floor against GSP (then again, who doesn`t?).
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You had four months between Lytle/Hughes and Lytle/Serra. Serra eeked out a decision. Hughes blanketed the guy for 15 minutes and he didn’t win a second of the fight. Since then, Hughes has been equally inactive and hasn’t exactly been setting the world on fire with his wins. Well, actually, he only has one win since fighting Lytle 3 years ago – Serra. It was close, but came well after it was obvious that Hughes wasn’t a top welterweight anymore.
So Serra lost a fight to a guy who obviously isn’t close to the top of the welterweights anymore in Hughes, and now both Hughes and Serra still rarely fight, and when they do, they fight other old guys. I’d say that its pretty obvious neither is an A level fighter right now.
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 29, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah. A change in tune.
“Not an A-fighter” is not the same as a C-fighter, but I`ll let that pass. I would however like to hear how you deduced that Hughes obviously wasn`t a top welterweight anymore?
Did you deduct it from the Alves fight he took on short notice or the loss to GSP? Or did you in fact use the Serra-fight as proof of that? But wouldn`t that be sort of a circular argument?
Or maybe, just maybe, you train with Hughes on a regular basis and saw that he just didn`t have it in him anymore?
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Its easy. He lost and was totally not competitive the last two times he fought younger, skilled fighters. What has he done since those losses to inspire belief that he can beat a top 5 welterweight, other than rather publically announce he won’t fight any of them?
There is just no argument whatsoever to point at Serra being an A level fighter. I’d ask you or anyone else here what being a B level fighter is to them before asking if he’s one.
by VirtualBalboa on Mar 29, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Could you imagine putting down a $100 parlay on Maia, Edgar, and Renzo with all three winning? That’s $17,372 in winnings.
Hell, I might just do that. I don’t think all three will win but that’d be something to take a chance on. Lol.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
That’s $17,372 in winnings.
No, that’s $100 in losings.
by ufc4 on Mar 28, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
The $17,372 in winnings far outweighs the $100 in losings. I’ll (95% sure) lose $100 but I could make so much more than that if I hit the night of a lifetime.
Horrible thing is I’m not going to Vegas until April 19th. I miss it by 9 days. Damn.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
I’d put some money down on Maia myself. It’s not like Andy hasn’t been subbed before.
by Polyhedron on Mar 28, 2010 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Renzo Gracie is one tough motherfucker taking on Matt Hughes at 42 years old. I don’t see it going well for him, but hats off to him…
by TLow on Mar 28, 2010 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would be waaaaay more stoked to either see Nate or Sonnen fighting Silva instead. I don’t get it, why isn’t Sonnen getting it?
Because Marquardt beat the piss out of him, and he couldn’t recover in time.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
Belfort had problem with his shoulder… Amazingly his bad shoulder made his hands tremble, his voice crack, his breath shallow, his legs shaky and his mind numb when he talked about anderson.
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m actually very interested in the Nick Osipczak vs. Rick Story fight. I just saw Osipczak’s solid win over Matt Riddle, and Rick Story is an up-and-comer in the division. I expect the Phil Davis vs. Alexander Gustafsson fight to just be Davis taking Gustafsson down at will with Davis attempting or passing guard when on the floor. The Etim vs Dos Anjos fight should be interesting, and I want Munoz to beat Grove (I have to support my fellow Filipinos). I really don’t have too much interest in the Hughes vs Gracie fight, and with the two main events, I totally expect Penn to beat Edgar and Silva to beat Maia.
I can't wait to see Munoz again.
Grove is a solid fighter, but Munoz seems to be putting it together. Should be an awesome fight.
I’m pretty much with you on the whole card, except that I am interested in Hughes/Gracie. You never know. Something great could happen there.
by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 29, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking through Google I found that the odds for Matt Hughes vs. Royce Gracie was
Royce Gracie +170
Matt Hughes -250
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
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meant to reply to SamCupitt’s odds.
by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 29, 2010 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Atleast the whole Maia-Silva debate can be laid to rest
— when Anderson dents his forehead and Maia runs out of the cage embarrassed i.e. Forrest Griffin.
Edgar should just lay down and let Penn sub him for the easy victory. I just don’t get how you come off beating Pulver, Stevenson for the belt, Sherk, Florian, Sanchez then Edgar.
I don’t know about you but I just don’t see how Edgar fits in that equation. Four unanimous decision and an RNC victory = title shot?
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Yep. It`s not like Diego had been finishing fights lately either.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Edggar has the best boxing of anyone on that list (Penn aside).
That alone makes the fight a little more interesting to me. He will try to make this look like his fight with Sherk. Penn will have the chance to make this into another boxing clinic.
It would actually be cool to campare the FightMetric stats between Penn vs Sherk and Edgar vs Sherk. I don`t think Sherk touched Edgar a lot.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Mar 29, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
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