Dana White Talks Georges St. Pierre, Shane Carwin and Jon Fitch
by Nick Thomas on Mar 28, 2010 10:27 AM EDT
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PrintGeorges St. Pierre - "He's unhappy but it was a dominant performance, he wanted to do better, I obviously wanted better ... it is what it is. ... I was never crazy about him going to 185, I still think there's great fights for him at 170."HT: mmafighting.com, click here for more interviews
Shane Carwin - "Everybody wondered if Shane Carwin was the real deal and he proved it tonight. July 3rd in Las Vegas, Carwin vs. Lesnar."
Jon Fitch - "When Fitch doesn't finish, it drives people crazy. But I called him out on it tonight, before we start doing these guys to find out who's going to fight Georges St. Pierre, Fitch and Koscheck are going to have to figure out who is next in line."
[video after the jump] - "I'm not kidding when I say I want to see Koscheck fight Fitch, I'm sick of that sh*t. ... It's over man, this whole we don't want want to fight each other thing is over."
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Gsp would have tapped most people with that kimura and armbar. Hardy is just a bad ass. Carwin looked really small compared to lesnar. But he he didn’t look bigger than Mir and he’s listed 2 inches taller. And finally Dana tells AKA what should be done. Fight each other or no title shot. They both had a shot at Gsp and lost. Fight each other or no rematch.
by goldmouth on Mar 28, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That’s the half full perspective. I’d say that GSP lacks the top notch JJ to tap Hardy. It doesn’t matter if Hardy’s made of rubber, the proper application would have broken Hardy’s arm, tap or not by a great JJ fighter.
Now that I’m sober, I admit that GSP’s dominance was not LnP. He did try to finish. However, he came to prominence using his striking skills and not his wrestling and he’s totally abandoned it because he doesn’t have the confidence in his skills. He has made wrestling his bread and butter, a suffocating MMA arts that’s known for its boredom when not tempered with a strong submission or GnP complement. He’s has no confidence in his stand up since the Serra fight and he lacks the killer JJ that would break a top fighter when he has them where he wants them.
It’s not GSP’s fault that he plays it safe. But unfortunately, he’s one of the most if not the most boring UFC champion because he plays it safe, some may even say “scared” because he doesn’t take risks to test out his skills. Dare I say that he’s now the “Mayweather” of MMA? Talented, and happy to secure his win without the thought of entertaining the masses by utilizing a safe route to a win. A win is a win. But damned if I ever buy another GSP card without a great supporting lineup.
But unlike Mayweather, GSP doesn't duck his strongest challengers.
Aside from refusing to fight Pacquiao, I would think anyone would be proud to be the Floyd Mayweather of his sport.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
it was a dominant performance
I was never crazy about him going to 185
Make some sense Dana. He keeps dominating challengers but that somehow proves he doesn’t belong in MW?
I'm a lover not a fighter
I agree with DW on this
GSP is too small for 185
Don’t let anger get in the way of comprehension
by Orcus on Mar 28, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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I can’t understand why this keeps getting brought up. He will get lit up at 185 by much bigger guys.
by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 28, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think what Dana was trying to say was if GSP isn’t slaughtering challengers at 170, he just doesn’t need to even think about 185 right now. If he can hold down Hardy, then the bigger boys will nullify his game easily.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Mar 28, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
“can’t hold down hardy”*
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Mar 28, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
At what point did he fail to hold hardy down? I think that’s the whole complain about his performance, he hold him down for the whole fight.
I'm a lover not a fighter
Exactly. Goldy and Rogan kept cheering Hardy everytime he got up – only to see that GSP had him down again. Georges took Hardy down at will, repeatedly, only stopped passing at will when his coach told him not to… Dan Hardy, as good and headstrong fighter as he is, could only get up from underneath at great difficulty – and had even tougher time staying up.
I don’t think there are all that many middleweights in the UFC who have an absolute answer to GSP’ shot.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Mar 28, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
So what happens
When he starts fighting the Huge wrestlers at 185? or the Elite BJJ grapplers?
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 28, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are these huge wrestlers and elite BJJ grapplers?
Marquardt and Sonnen are the only wrestlers I can think of and Maia is the only elite BJJ grappler at 185 in the UFC. GSP holds his own in practice with Marquardt and Rashad (that’s coming from Rashad) so I don’t see how it would be that big of a deal, and it’s not like getting tapped by Maia is embarrassing since he does it to everyone anyways.
People who say GSP won’t be able to hold his own at 185 or would get murdered by Anderson are ridiculously underestimating Georges; almost as rediculously as people overestimated Machida’s karate skills.
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
Also, GSP didn't get tapped by BJ, I think he'd do fine against Maia
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
Maia won the open weight ADCC
open weight.
i think anyone who sits in maias guard is going to find themselves in for a troublesome night
How is that like Goulet? That dude goes out cold in a drafty room - Blackout612
by Well Read Idiot on Mar 28, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP is awesome
but Maia would easily sub him, because GSP’s takedowns would play right into his hands
by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 28, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They should make that fight! Georges would light Maia up on their feet and get himself a highlight reel finish.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 29, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Maia won under 88 kg category, not absolute.
by dancingChicken on Mar 29, 2010 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I must have missed the part, I can only remember Hardy getting up without being immediately taken back down maybe 2 or 3 times.
Being excellent in one weight class doesn’t necessarily guarantee success in another.
by Hardcase on Mar 28, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree- he won't be able to bully 185ers so easily.
"I'm Nobody's FanBoy" - higgledy-piggledy
by higgledy-piggledy on Mar 28, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
it makes sense to me
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by JeremyShane on Mar 28, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the biggest winners tonight were Shane Carwin and Dan Hardy. Glad to see Dana is rattling the cage when it comes to that AKA fighters as well. It’s just Fitch and Kos we have to worry about now since Swick has lost two in a row. I’m surprised Dana didn’t mention GSP’s sub attempts…Hardy showed some serious grit there.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Mar 28, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
I have a feeling Daley will be solving Dana's AKA dilema.
by Anton Tabuena on Mar 28, 2010 10:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Against whom, exactly?
Kos/Daley would look a lot like the Rumble fight, and Fitch would put him against the cage for 3 rounds.
by George Lucas on Mar 28, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
we can only hope that if he makes fitch and kos fight, hell make andy and machida fight.
by xbuckeyex05 on Mar 28, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Do they have to though?
I’d understand if Andy moved full-time to LHW, but he’s still primarily a MW. Unless Anderson tries to contend for the 205 title, his and Machida’s paths don’t have to cross.
Don't forget about jackson's team
He never made rashad and jardine fight when everyone wanted to see it and now with bones jones being there.
by Knight000 on Mar 28, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that Dana should avoid it if he can. In the Jackson case it was avoidable because Jardine keeps losing at the right time. However, with Kos and Fitch, you can only avoid fighting them for so long, because they stay in the narrow area at the top of the division where only a couple of fighters can fit.
Though ppl will say it was a boring GSP win, He did WIN w/out question
Yes, I agree, if Koscheck makes it past Daley, he should have to fight Fitch & or Alves b4 any of them have another crack at GSP.
I for one want to make sure only ‘WORTHY’ opponents are able to challenge for the title. Look how GSP has just dominated his opponents in the last few fights.
AKA boys: If they can’t or don’t want to fight each other, then they should be passed up on the title shot. They need to stop that ‘bit*h’ talk. The people who pay $50 for ppv don’t care is you love each other, we just want to see a fight, and someone getting KOd.
"I'm Nobody's FanBoy" - higgledy-piggledy
by higgledy-piggledy on Mar 28, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions
GSP, minus the disrespect and outsized personality, has perhaps become the Mayweather of MMA. He put on a brilliant, clinical performance that somehow managed to underwhelm. One of Mayweather’s greatest strengths is his abilitiy to never take an unjustified risk. You just don’t see him getting dragged into brawls or baited into trading. Never. Ever. GSP has become so methodical and precise that, even when his own corner tells him to beat up a seriously outclassed opponent from within his guard, GSP ignores the advice and attempts to pass (on one theory) in order to get to a better (yet ‘safer’) position. If GSP did to Hardy what he did to Penn in round 2 he would have stopped hardy sometime in round 3 from a hellacious beating, no doubt about it.
In GSP’s defense, he was looking for the finish. And this victory did nothing to diminish my belief that he could do exactly what he did to Hardy to everyone south of MW in the UFC with varying degrees of ease. Nevertheless I find myself believing that he needs to change something about a nearly perfect game, which is simply whom he’s fighting. That is to say, he needs to go up to MW and do exactly what he’s doing at WW to the various bums that inhabit the UFC’s MW division.
by The Darkness on Mar 28, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one who didn’t think GSP looked bigger at all. We heard alot about the muscle he put on but I did’t see any difference in size.
He didn’t look bigger to me. Around GSP Hughes II I noticed his thighs bulking up significantly. His upper body looks pretty much the same to me.
agreed
Last night alot of people were talking about not being able to see any difference in his size.
Not that it matters, he’s not gonna lose at WW.
by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 28, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP at MW= BJ at WW
He has the talent and athleticism to compete and be at least fairly successful at MW, but he is putting himself at a physical disadvantage any way you look at it. I think GSP has more that mentality of a dominant athlete than of a someone like BJ, who thinks of himself as a fighter first. If GSP wants to stay at his optimum weight and truly become the most dominant WW champ of all time, good for him.
BJ wants to move up, and has before with mixed results. Many have said he wasted potential by not sticking closer to his natural weight were he has truly dominated opposition. What would we say if GSP moves up and has the same mixed results?
It has to be his choice. I thinks his goal is to remain dominant more than to test himself, and continue to build the brand that is GSP. People love him. I am personally not as excited to watch him fight as I used to be, but that’s what we have until someone comes up with an answer for his wrestling game.
hopefully daley knocks out koscheck and they give the shot to paulo thiago
would much rather see that fight than any of the potential rematches. and it’s way too early for daley at this point.
I’d give paulo thiago 0% chance of beating gsp, gsp will blanket Paulo for the entire fight like fitch did. biggest challenge for gsp would be a heavy handed wrestler i.e. koscheck
by kanodogg on Mar 28, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think he’d do a hell of alot better than hardy did. but really, my point was that i’d rather see gsp fight someone new, and credible, than rematch guys he’s already destroyed… who have lost since fighting him (i.e. koscheck).
Yeah right
GSP would know he would have the huge advantage on the feet
It would be more of a fitch gsp fight.
Hell Dan did better against GSP then Fitch or Kos
by TheBiggertheyare... on Mar 28, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP will want to beat Hughe's WW title def record
before moving up to MW. He could just beat it by one fight, but I have a feeling to secure some longevity, he’ll want to go for 2 over Hughes #. GSP is 28 now, so by the time he’s 30/31 he’ll have had the time to accomplish this, plus put on more weight both through his training regimen and his getting older. If he can walk around consistently at 200/205, even with a 5’10" height, he’ll have the mass for MW. I can’t find anyplace online that records a fighter’s reach, though so Im not sure how to compare GSP’s 76" reach to other MWs
Addendum
Which may be too long for Anderson to stick around in MW. By the time GSP gets to where he wants to be to fight in MW, Andy may have permanently moved on to LHW or left the UFC. Though knowing how willing he is to fight the best fighters regardless of weight class and the biggest names (biggest pay days), I can certainly see Silva dropping down for the fight every fan has wanted to see for a long time now.
He compares really well. Jon Jones has the longest reach in the UFC at 84".
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 29, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
yea…since they were talking about the Koscheck/Dailey fight like three different times in the video.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by JeremyShane on Mar 28, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
So why is he so worried about Fitch fighting Koscheck when there’s a good chance Kos could lose his fight? And even if he doesn’t if he takes any kind of injury he probably won’t be fighting for a few months from now, why not just re-schedule the Alves-Fitch fight for June?
Probably because he said he is “working on” something based out of Kos’ next fight. Probably the winner of that fight facing Fitch for the next shot at GSP. So maybe he is worried b/c there is a good chance the winner of that fight might be Kos. Not saying it’s a sure thing; but it’s definitely something he should be concerned about.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
by JeremyShane on Mar 28, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Koscheck isn’t fighting for another month and a half, so if the winner of that fight is fighting Fitch next then that probably wouldn’t be til at least August, which means the winner of that fight wouldn’t be facing GSP til November or December, you really think they’re gonna have a healthy GSP sit another 8 or 9 months? No way in hell.
They should just get it over with and give Fitch another shot this summer. If he loses, he’ll never have another chance. Then Kos/Daley winner can have next. Have Thiago/Alves with Alves is ready again.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 29, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Jon Fitch is the new "Matt Lindland" at welterweight....
Fitch has the same boring style that Matt Lindland used years ago to pretty much keep him away from a title shot and ended up getting him dropped from the company.
Jon Fitch is effective, but he takes no chances to finish his opponent. I don’t think that Dana is a fan of Fitch whatsover.
God forbid Jake Shields comes to the UFC, if Shields and Fitch fought it would probably be the worst fight ever.
I'm sorry but this is bullshit
Fitch landed what was probably hundreds of unanswered blows without taking more than one or two shots of half-hearted offense from a larger opponent who was forced to stall and defend for 15 minutes. If you can’t appreciate that then watch another goddamn sport.
by George Lucas on Mar 28, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How anyone can enjoy Fitch is beyond me.
It’s guys like you that set the popularity of the sport back, actually liking these wrestling clinics.
100% of casuals didn’t like Fitch’s fight.
I would guesstimate that over 50% of hardcores coyld give a shit about that fight.
Hell, Dana didn’t like that fight either.
That’s a lot of people you are telling to watch another sport.
by MickDawg on Mar 28, 2010 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For the record
I’m a “casual” and I really enjoy watching Fitch and GSP. GSP is easily my favorite fighter. I think there is a lot more drama to these fights; I’m on the edge of my seat throughout. The Carwin finish was exciting, I guess, but you had all of this build up and it was over in what felt like seconds.
Would I like to see a more aggressive GSP? Sure, I like a good GnP as much as the next guy, but I’m not going to be disappointed after watching the clinic he put on last night.
"Seriously, Lana, call Kenny Loggins ‘cause you’re in the danger zone."
You know I thought the Fitch fight wasn’t that bad either. He constantly landed elbows and punches from the top. What made it boring was Saunders’ inability to do anything. He was way over his head.
Be careful what you wish for.
Balls the size of New Orleans though, for making the call.
by CaptainSpaulding on Mar 29, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you. I actually thought Fitch put a pretty solid beatdown on Saunders, and that it was an interesting fight. The result looked like a foregone conclusion, but what the hell do people want from him? He picked a very dangerous fighter in Saunders apart on their feet, and was methodically pounding him out. If he’d had another round, Saunders would’ve been done. Presumably Hardy is a little better on the round than Saunders, but Fitch still had the more impressive performance IMO.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Mar 29, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I am with Dana 100% on the Fitch vs. Koscheck thing. If you have two of the best fighters in a division both wanting the title, how can they not fight? It’s not a team sport and this “I won’t fight so and so” is B.S. If they are both nothing but gatekeepers in the division, then fine, let them slide b/c it won’t mean anything; but if they were not willing to fight each other, I wouldn’t give either one of them a title shot.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
Why can’t the UFC hire some more fighters at WW so we dont have to see Kos/Fitch fight each other? Aren’t there some other prospects out there in the division?
"If your going to come on then come on!" - Harold Howard
Prospects?
Because these 2 guys aren’t prospects they’re both in the running for #1contender. Dana and the entire company should not have to work around them. If they both want the title then they’re going to have to fight each other to find out who is the #1 contender or risk being passed over. What don’t you get about this?
by Bloodsport on Mar 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dana
Dana has always Hated AKA , he has already fired Fitch once & was over ruled. If Dana was consistent on anything, okay. Cain doesn’t have to fight again but junior does. Fitch & Kos have to fight( i’d like to see it) but none of Jackson’s or Soars fight have to fight each other? Dana’s doing to Fitch what he did to Okami praying he’d lose so there is no questions. Letting Saunders (personel problems) fight Fitch Was a joke & Dana new it after the Swick fight but promised him a title fight if he beat Fitch. With out a real ranking system the UFC will be just a corrupt as Don King & Bob Arum were in Boxing
GSP would be quicker than most MWs and there’s absolutely no doubt he’d be able to take those dudes down. He might have more trouble keeping them down, but he’s so friggin dominant in Welter, there aren’t many MWs that could escape that. GSP’s stand-up would be at a major quickness advantage, would be at a slight reach disadvantage but I think his speed more than makes up for it. He wouldn’t be ready for a title right away, but I think he’d destroy mid-tier guys (Quarry) and grind out the upper guys (Sonnen).
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