UFC 111 Results: Shane Carwin Derails the Frank Mir Space Station
by Mike Fagan on Mar 27, 2010 11:44 PM EDT
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So much for that Frank Mir/Brock Lesnar rubber match. Shane Carwin had something to say about that.
The pace started slow, Mir looking for spots to throw with Carwin looking to clinch. Carwin kept Mir pinned up against the fence and tried to wear down the former champ with punches and knees to the legs. Referee Dan Miragliotta made another questionable separation before Carwin found himself pressing Mir against the cage yet again.
If you blinked you might have missed Carwin's power. He landed two massive left uppercuts that dropped Mir. Miragliotta gave him plenty of time, allowing Mir to take punishment. Mir made a desperation kimura attempt, but kept getting hit in the face for his troubles. He eventually flattened himself face down on the mat while Carwin rained more punishment. Miragliotta must have won a bet because he let Frank take even more shots until mercifully stepping in to end the bout.
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Fuck yea Shane Carwin
Like breast cancer I have something to get off my chest
by II SMASH II on Mar 27, 2010 11:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Beatdown
The dude is a beast and I think he has a legitimate shot at beating Brock. Even though Brock looked massive in the ring after the fight, he was wearing clothes and shoes and definitely isn’t in fighting shape yet. One thing is for sure, Carwin is gonna bring the pain on July 3rd and we FINALLY get to see if Brock can take down an experienced wrestler AND if his chin can withstand an uppercut from hell…Go Carwin!
Why do the irish fight amongst themselves? NO OTHER WORTHY OPPONENTS...
by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see how wide open Mir left himself?
Prior to getting Uppercut-ted to Next Week, he left space in between him and Carwin while in the clinch which left open a lane for one of Carwin’s Hands of Brick to nail him.
Those who believe that Carwin is going to Knock Brock out are fooling themselves ’cause Brock :
1.) Won’t give any openings like Mir did.
2.) WILL Take down Carwin no matter how good his Take-down Defense is. By the way, Punches don’t have that much effect if you’re lying on your back….unless you’re Brock Lesnar but he won’t the one on his back….Carwin Will.
and
3.) Carwin’s conditioning. The announcers can spin it all the want that Carwin has worked on his cardio and stuff but UNTIL HE ACTUALLY GETS TO THE 2ND ROUND, we won’t know how he will react or fare….‘cause I can guarantee that Carwin won’t KO Brock. But Brock will KO Shane.
Brock via GnPofDeath in the 2nd round. BOOK IT!
You seem pretty confident in Brock...
YET YOU SEEM TO FORGET:
1) He’s only had 5 fights, so he’s basically a fuckin rookie (your gameplans are a joke)
2) He’s never fought anyone as big or strong as Shane Carwin (write that down)
3) He’s never been hit with any kind of power (and yes, he will 100% guaranteed get hit next fight)
4) He hasn’t had a fight in a year and is recovering from a life-threatening medical issue that almost ended his career. (Will he have ring rust? Cardio issues? Mental breakdown?)
The point is, Einstein, don’t clamp onto his balls too tight before all things considered…
Why do the irish fight amongst themselves? NO OTHER WORTHY OPPONENTS...
by Brewtality55 on Mar 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone has bad days at work but Jesus Christ Miragliotta, is this your first day?
by ufc4 on Mar 27, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
man... i don't know wtf he was doing...
I’m all for givin fighters chances, but he was laid FLAT… and Dan let him take like 5 more BOMBS
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Between that and the shitty standups in the Fitch fight he’s really shitting his pants out there tonight.
agreed, I can’t stand when they separate fighters that are actually working in the clench or on the ground. They really need to re-examine that and not just go with audience boos.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
this was oen of the very few times
in my entire life that I found myself yelling at the TV “stop the fight!”. that was rediculous. MIR was getting his skull smashed. now that, TITO, is how a real cracked skull looks.
by Opposites Attack on Mar 28, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
No this is business as usual for him.
"BANG!" - Jim Lampley's first word as a child
by SSreporters on Mar 28, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, he was also the ref in the first Kimbo fight on CBS. Wow was that a shit stoppage.
by jebmak on Mar 28, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the stoppage was a little late,
but not as bad as rogan was describing it
went mir went down from the left uppercuts carwin was throwing, but he went on to grab carwin’s leg,
then carwin broke free, but again, mir went for carwin’s left arm, although he let go after receiving some shots again, and then the ref stopped the fight
yea; until he got the point where he flattened Mir out, Mir looked like he might have a slim chance. He was holding Carwin’s other hand and keeping his head down. Once Carwin flattened him out and had both hands free to pound away though…. he should have stopped the fight.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
lol
the fight should’ve been stopped 3 seconds earlier.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Fucking Miragliotta
How the fuck is this asshole still allowed to ref fights? He is going to get someone killed in there. Worst ref EVER.
certified warlord
well that’s a shame. Rooting for Mir. Didn’t see the fight tho so I dunno how impressive Carwin looked but perhaps Mir was right….he is a better version of Brock? Brock didn’t KO Mir. Was Mir out cold?
I don’t believe it was a KO, even though it was announced as such, it basically ended the same way as Brock/Mir 2. Should be TKO
Are you insane?
Lesnar wishes that his finish of mir was even half as spectacular as Carwin’s finish. That was uber destruction.
Easy there, buddy....
You think Brock cares how he wins his matches? Would he love to knock someone out? Sure. It would make things easier but just because he hasn’t, doesn’t mean he lacks the capability to do so. He’s been in so few fights that we still don’t know if he knows how to apply a Kimura or RNC or something….
As far as “Wishing” goes…..
Carwin WISHES he had the REAL Championship Belt ‘cause like Brock told him : "That’s a fake and I hold the Real one" and Shane agreed with him.
i saw the preview on this site and i almost hedged out of my bet on Carwin because most of you were loving Mir. now the question is what will the line be for the Lesnar fight?
Don’t know but it will still HEAVILY Favor Brock.
All I’ve seen from Carwin is Punching Power. I want to see how he and his Division II wrestling skills match up against Brock’s Division I wrestling skills. Brock’s no dummy. He knows Carwin’s fists pack a wallop so guess what? He’ll shoot for the take down 1st chance he gets and he WILL get the Takedown. It will then be up to Shane on what to do then….
I'm happy for Carwin...
but I feel really bad for Mir… I know he ain’t the most popular guy online, but I hope he can rebound from this, as he’s one of my favorite fighters.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
No kidding
he never got going. I don’t think Mir ever believed he’d be getting knocked out with short punches by the fence.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I don't think Mir thought he'd be done in with short punches with Brock on top of him....
…back then, either.
He’s got to re-evaluate himself and where he’s at right now….
Perhaps he’d consider dropping down in weight and going after GSP? Mir vs. GSP.
He's done...
Frank will never have another title shot with how things are going in the HW division right now. He doesn’t stand a chance against strikers like Carwin or Dos Santos, nor can he stop the takedown and GnP from Brock or Velasquez. I suspect he’ll be a gate-keeper until Brock loses (to Carwin or one of the other 2) and then they’ll promote the shit out of the rubber match which will have no meaning by then. Within a year or so, we’ll get to hear him as just the WEC announcer…Frank Mir 2.0 just got the Carwin virus
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone loses eventually (especially in MMA), just a matter of time and depends if you have a good night or not.
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 30, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
space stations don't have rails.
mixing metaphors FTW
Sure glad Lesnar got his shit straightened out.
by judonerd on Mar 27, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
We could make a movie with Big Tim's life
If we reverse the chronology it’s a dream story.
I'm a lover not a fighter
by spectaa on Mar 28, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t get how you can have 3 different guys all sitting around waiting for a title shot. Surely Shane should get one because he had already been promised one and now he holds some kind of phantom belt. And let’s face it, his size and strength are comparable to Lesnar.
While I like Cain and he should definitely be in the mix, I don’t like his chances against Brock. Brock is everything that Cain is with more size (and maybe less Cardio we don’t really know if Brock has bad cardio). And Junior, while I love the guy, I’d like to see him deal with a clinch, with someone trying to take him down, trying to scramble to his feet. I haven’t seen him do that yet and you know he’s going to have to do it against Brock. Shane, to me, seems to be the most legit contender. Maybe Cain next, and JDS after one more fight.
From what I understand, barring an injury, it's Lesnar vs. Carwin...
…ideally, we’d see Cain vs. JDS with the winner taking on whoever survives Lesnar/Carwin.
seriously....
Brock is a machine. despite the huge amount of energy and oxygen his giant mass requires, he is, none-the-less, a wrecking machine and a tremendous athlete. I very much doubt his cardio will be an issue. He moves quite quickly for someone so large, comparing him to the usual sluggishness of some other HWs.
by Opposites Attack on Mar 28, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure if you’re referring to me or not. Brock’s cardio hasn’t been under question, but I doubt it’s at Cain’s level.
Brock doesn't have muscles..
He’s actually the upgraded version of THE TERMINATOR since Arnold can’t do it anymore….Lesnar VILL BE BAAHK!
Haha i noticed that too, i didnt expect him to walk out to Juicy, that made me a EVEN bigger fan!!
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
that was rediculous!
it just didnt mach his style….very weird walk out selection, IMO.
by Opposites Attack on Mar 28, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin knocks out Brock
I called it when the fight was first announced, and I’m calling it now.
I want your ugly I want your disease I want your everything As long as it’s free I want your love Love-love-love I want your love I want your drama The touch of your hand I want you leather studded kiss in the scene And want your love Love-love-love I want your love You know that I want youAnd you know that I need youI want a bad,your bad romance I want your loving And I want your revenge You and me could write a bad romance I want your loving All your love is revenge You and me could write a bad romance
Bold prediction
but could happen. Carwin’s punches are no joke, and I have yet to see Brock take one on the chin to see how he handles it.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I’d be shocked if Brock gives him a chance. He’ll probably GSP him and get him down and lay on him (although Carwin will give him a fight there I’m sure). It would be nice to see how Brock deals with a couple of huge shots from someone like Carwin though.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
Brock KO’s Carwin,…LULZ…. You should be a comedian….Lesnar’s stand up is just about as good as two fat kid’s will power when a chocolate cake is put in from of them.
yeah…because standing up is the only way to knock someone out right? why dont you ask Frank how he felt after getting ko’d from half guard
Please don’t compare Carwin to Mir…see Saturday night for reference. Carwin will NOT be dominated on the ground like Mir was against Brock, that’s IF Brock can even get Carwin to the ground. If the fight stays standing, Carwin is gonna bash Brock’s beach-ball head in so Brock’s game-plan will obviously be to take him down. Let’s not forget that Carwin is also a decorated wrestler with a massive frame and a lower center of gravity then Brock, so I expect Carwin to work on his take-down defense from now until July.
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt compare anyone, i pointed out that standing is not the only way to win. I think it’s funny that people think that Carwin is this unstoppable force that has never seen anything approaching the horizontal plane. It’s pretty tough to stay standing when 290-300 pounds(that’s stronger and faster than carwin) hits you straight in the chest at full speed.
On the contrary
I think it’s funny how many people think that BROCK is untouchable….because he overwhelmed a much smaller Couture and Mir? A declining Heath Herring? On top of that, what makes you so sure that Brock is stronger and faster than Carwin? Do you train with both guys and spot them in the gym? Once again, bogus claims and false presumptions…I find it hard to believe that Brock is stronger than Carwin, as they both seem about equally powerful and they are nearly the same size (Brock is maybe an inch or 2 taller, but the weight is within 5 pounds of each other). As far as quickness (not speed) is concerned, that’s also a toss-up and could go either way. Two things that Carwin does have that Brock does NOT: Crazy KO Power and a proven chin.
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess we’ll just have to wait til the fight to see who’s stronger and faster. I never said Brock was untouchable, just that i think he’s bigger stronger and faster than Shane. All of which in my opinion gives him better odds to win this fight. can he get caught and knocked out? certainly, and that’s always a possibility. what we were talking about before is quality of wrestling and twice you have turned the conversation to something other than wrestling. first is was WWE, and now it’s there’s no punching in wrestling. Div I v. Div II is no contest.
Point taken Brad, Division 1 is more competitive than Division 2 but that doesn’t mean Carwin COULDN’T wrestle/compete in D-1…just that his school was in D-2. So on paper, Brock should hold the wrestling advantage but he is matched up against another experienced wrestle (Carwin won’t be thrown around like a rag-doll) with much better stand-up and proven KO power.
I brought up the WWE comment, because someone had posted that Brock was a “professional” wrestler…which could only refer to his WWE career, as collegiate athletes are not professionals by any means.
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 30, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Brew...... oh Please....
Yes…There’s no punching(real punching) in WWE, right?
What about Division I vs. Division II? As in REAL WRESTLING? As in BETTER WRESTLING BY BROCK WHO EATS, DRINKS, SLEEPS, AND CRAPS WRESTLING DAY-IN AND DAY-OUT vs. MR. ENGINEER/PART-TIME MMA GUY??
rolls eyes Brock is going to abuse this Big Goof worse than an Druggie getting his fix. Will make it to the 2nd round but no more. Brock by GnP in the 2nd.
Oh get off the Brock-wagon already
How the hell would you know how good Carwin is in wrestling or the massive gap in competition between D-1 and D-2? Are you a decorated wrestler with credible sources to back that up or just another Lesnar nut-hugger who praises past accomplishments he had over 10 years ago? There’s no legitimate way you can argue that Brock is the better Mixed Martial Artist over Carwin with only having 5 professional fights and never had a KO or ever had his chin tested.
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 30, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll let the words of MMAuthority try and help with the difference between DI and DII. He spells it out in a far more eloquent manner than i ever could. this is from another thread regarding the post fight in the cage photo op with Brock and Shane.
Not really..
Brock dictates where this fight goes. If he want’s to avoid the striking power of Carwin and not risk getting thumped to sleep, he’ll drive Carwin to the mat and negate that facet of Carwins game. Hard to knock people out when you’re on your back fighting to keep a bigger guy off you and not take damage.
I know a lot of people think there isn’t a big difference between D1 and D2 level athletes, but there is a huge difference. That’s like saying there is no difference between high school and college or college and the pro’s.. If D2 athletes were just as good as D1 athletes, then they would be plucked from their programs and put in with the D1 competition (just in the way that Lesnar was).
The level of competition set’s them apart by a wide margin. D1 is the best level of competition at the college level. D2 is not far removed from high school level’s of competition. Athlete’s that were average on their best days that want to continue competition post high school years but didn’t qualify for the big scholarships or couldn’t make it as a walk on with a bigger program. The bottom line is if you’re "that good" they will find you and bring you in. Being a D2 national champion is an accomplishment. But it’s not comparable to the elite status of a D1 championship. It’s like someone in the CFL going out and winning a championship and then trying to compare that to someone winning the super bowl.. It’s not even close to the same thing or level of competition. It’s like being the MVP in the NBA or being the MVP in the CBA or European leagues.. Do you think the level of competition is even remotely close ???
This is not a knock on Carwin either. Just the reality is that Carwin won’t be able to be the "bigger and stronger" guy in this fight. Like I said, the wild card here is that Carwin does have more than a punchers chance because he has a wrestling background and is a very strong guy with very powerful punching power and is comfortable on his feet. What we should also note is that Carwin has been susceptible to taking a couple shots in fights previous. Sure he looked great against Mir, but Mir honestly is on the "complete opposite of the spectrum than Carwin/Lensar" Randy would Maul Mir too.. Ian Freeman did the same exact thing to Mir. Bradnon Vera did the same exact thing to Mir.. etc..
It was a stylistic match-up that heavily favored Carwin all day. Carwin self admitted that the plan was to bully Mir against the cage and drop bombs. Wonder why ?? Well because it worked for Ian Freeman and Lesnar with ease..
Carwin has more than a punchers chance in this fight. Like I said this is Lesna’rs fight to lose more than it is Carwins to win… Lesnar is the better wrestler, bigger, stronger, faster, and better grappler of the two. That means he should be able to dictate where the fight goes and it gives him the better chance at taking the victory. The odds favor more that Lesnar will get Carwin down and do damage there than they do that Carwin will land one on Lesnars chin to put him away..
I second this
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
by WeaponElDeem on Mar 29, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwin definatelly is the real deal there should be no more questions about him after this win. Personally though i’m bummed, I love Mir but I knew that once everyone seemed to be throwing their support behind him that I had good reason to be nervous about this fight.
Anyways Carwin vs. Brock should do very well and it should be a hell of fight, I also know that Mir will look to get back on the winning ways and get a shot at both men again down the line.
Of course there should still be questions. Carwin still hasn’t gone out of the first round, and still hasn’t fought on the ground for any appreciable period in the UFC. How’s his cardio? How’s his sub defense? How does he deal with being dragged into deep water?
This fight just told us what we already know: Shane Carwin hits really really hard and can knock somebody out in round 1.
correction...
knock ANYBODY out in the first round….not just somebody. ANYBODY! a fight with Brock will be like Brock fighting a clone of himself, this should be amazing.
by Opposites Attack on Mar 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
and worse wrestling.
wanderlei ::: shogun ::: bj penn ::: fedor ::: mir
by cauliflower_ears on Mar 29, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
you sure about that?
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Division I (Brock) vs. Division II(Carwin)?
Uhh…Yeah…I think he has a right to be “sure about that”, Brew.
Division I is on a whole ‘nother level than Division II. It’s like comparing the NBA Big Leagues iwith the Minor Leagues.
Coming from a D-1 champion yourself right?
Keep your teeth together and your fingers in your ass if you’re just gonna say the same shit over and over…live in the now, not the past BNTHIS. I won a spelling B in the 2nd grade, but I don’t consider myself a better speller than some other kid because I went to private school and they went to a public school.
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 30, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So much for lifting weights..
lol…
Mir’s weight lifting FTL
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Caring less about Fedor every day.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
by Ubernoober on Mar 28, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
if those 5 had a round robin tourney
i see fedor going 1-3, maybe even 0-4
i think the HW division has passed Fedor by – he just isn’t big enough anymore
maybe he’s better than Dos Santos right now, Cigano isn’t that big and Fedor is awfully skilled – but no way Fedor hangs with Brock or Carwin and I think Velasquez takes him down and keeps him there
What does Brett do to win any one of those fights?
I don’t see him having anything to offer any of those four guys.
GIVE UP?! GIVE UP?!
That's because you're retarded...
Fedor is the terminator, if he went 1-3 then that means he died after winning the first match and somebody has him fighting on strings for the remaining matches.
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t know cause Our Lord and Fedor is about to take on the most fearsome challenger at HW: Fabricio Werdum
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
Fedor Dammit!!!! At the mere mention of Fabricio Werdum I just shit my couch in terror. Clean up time.
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 28, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
LIES!
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
#4
There is a Shane Carwin fist sized hole where #3 used to be.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
by Ubernoober on Mar 28, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Derailing a space station?
My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig and Be Dug
In Return.
-Langston Hughes (no relation to Matt)
Space train! PEW PEW!
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Mar 28, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Im hust waiting to see how i did on UFC Fantasy
But it’s taking forever to show the results… FYI: I picked Carwin 1st Round KO!
That was terrible reffing. Mir took far too many unneeded punches tonight. People who hate Mir may be happy he took those shots, but as the ref’s job is fighter safety, he needs to be canned.
I didn’t expect Carwin to win the way he did – looked with Couture with massive power. Amazing.
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
Interesting you bring that up
I’ll look for Carwin to take a page from Couture’s fight against Lesnar – wear him out by pushing him up against the fence. Then throw some bombs right at the big boy’s chin. It should be a great fight, I can’t wait to see which way it will go.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Against Brock, I think the Last thing Carwin wants to do..
…is Put Brock in the Clinch where he can be easily taken down and GnP’ed into submission by Brock.
Carwin NEEDS to keep this fight standing to have a (literally) Puncher’s chance of winning….
I got to go back and re watch the fight when I get home. Did carwin try to take down mir and couldn’t? I was hard to see everything
at the bar.
by Knight000 on Mar 28, 2010 1:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't think Carwin's takedown is great but...
like Randy if he can pin Brock against the cage his clinch and dirty boxing is brutal. He can KO Brock if he gets the chance on his feet.
The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
Carwin pinned him against the cage and was doing great dirty boxing, like a mammoth Couture. The ref broke them up – no idea why – but Carwin did it a second time, then landed uppercuts, then more punches, then won.
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
He never attempted to take him down, he was content to pin him against the cage and punch him in the face. They weren’t the weak tired punches of someone who is wall-n-stallin either. Like others have said, the ref broke them, Carwin regained the clinch, and unleashed uppercuts straight from the depths of hell. Mir went down and Carwin continued to destroy him on the ground. Should have been stopped like 6 powerful blows to the head earlier.
Thanks guys i will watch again when i get home
by Knight000 on Mar 28, 2010 1:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I should note: I rewatched the fight and Carwin did attempt to take Mir down when they were clinched against the cage the first time. He didn’t try very long. When he failed he stuck to punching and giving knees to Mir’s thigh.
Carwin said on the press conference that he wanted to drive Mir against the cage, not take him down.
by dancingChicken on Mar 28, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
^This! Carwin said the plan was to dirty box and that’s what he worked on a lot in his training camp. He said that’s where he was brutal at and boy was that the truth!
If Carwin can start to develope a Randy Couture-like style and gameplan then that man will scariest heavyweight alive!
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
There was one point where he hooked his arms under Mir’s legs and attempted to lift and slam. It didn’t work right away so he went back to striking.
Yeah, but it was so sloppy that I think it was more to make Mir think about takedowns. It would fit to his game plan. By taking Frank down so early in the fight he would be at risk of being submitted. But who knows…
by dancingChicken on Mar 28, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Comical...
Does anyone really REALLY BELIEVE that the same strategy Couture used on Brock will work for Shane?
Newsflash : RANDY HAD THE TECHNIQUE AND EXPERIENCE to do what he did to Brock; Carwin DOES NOT. It will take more than a lucky punch to beat Brock(Brock sure as hell won’t let him get that chance).
If he tries to clinch Brock and try to push him against the Cage, he will find that it would be like trying to move a freakn’ Truck stuck in the “Drive” position. It won’t happen.
You’re Lesnar nuthugger. I understand.
by dancingChicken on Mar 31, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't believer Mir
he was yawning right before the fight with a camera in his face. Should’ve taken Carwin more seriously there, Frankie.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
That didn't matter
Mir was overrated, plain and simple. He knocked out a sick Nogueira and submitted a confused Kongo. He got dominated by Brock and absolutely demolished by Carwin, no game plan or intensity was going to change the outcome of those fights. Not only did I win money on this fight, but I get to rub salt in the wounds of the Mir nut-huggers after they got to witness that violent reality-check on Saturday night.
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by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Very easy fight to pick, I was baffled by the willingness of people to swallow the “Mir 2.0” stuff.
by An0nymous on Mar 28, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Mir talks a good game, and sells with his confidence. Unfortunately, new weight or no, he doesn’t have Carwin or Brock’s strength. Poor guy’s stuck – too big for LHW, too small for the top HWs. On the bright side, he’s a great commentator. It would be cool to have Rogan and Mir working the mics sometime.
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
too big for LHW, too small for the top HWs
He cut to 265lbs of muscle. He’s hardly too small. He isnt a bad fighter but he’s just not as good as the UFC hype train makes out.
He’s got above average BJJ, below average wrestling, average striking and average clinch game. All that adds up to a fighter who wins some and loses some.
Right. I should have said “too weak” rather than “too small”. He’s packed on weight, but watching Carwin dance him around and at one point reverse him, I don’t think that weight was enough.
Rogan used to talk a lot about wrestlers’ core strength – that was on display tonight.
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
Weaker than Carwin….sure, but so is essentially every other HW in the UFC……..maybe even Lesnar! I think Mir is big enough and strong enough to remain at HW and be a decent HW. The dude just aint that good.
absolutely...
MIR can hang with and on most days beat most of the HWs in the division. He dominated Kongo and Nogueira. If Carwin gets Lesnar, and Cain is waiting on the sidelines for the winner of that, how about Mir and JDS?
two strikers, and while Dos Santos doesnt have the size and strength to bully Mir around like Carwin adn Lesnar, he has the proven power to knock him out, or knock out most anybody for that matter. It would be a good entertaining fight, and a good one to see where either of the two fighters stand in the upper tier.
by Opposites Attack on Mar 28, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Long layoff for Carwin, and we still had no idea how good his sub defence is.
Keep firing Assholes!
Blackout is always right
Not like he needs sub defense...
When you’re fighting Brock. He just needs to avoid the takedown and land some Mortal Kombat uppercuts to Brock’s big ass chin so we can finally see if he will see stars or shake ’em off.
Why do the irish fight amongst themselves? NO OTHER WORTHY OPPONENTS...
by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This was actually Mir 14.0 He has re-dedicated himself in like his last 5 fights. So the alleged upgrades will continue, along with the KO losses.
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 28, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
We can say this, Carwin has the cardio to last 4 minutes.
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
by mma is #1 on Mar 28, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
haha! I guess it doesn’t matter when you can end a fight like Carwin. I cannot wait to see how his wrestling holds up against Brock
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I agree, i think Brock is faster, and maybe a little stonger, but there wrestliing is about the same more or less, maybe a slight advantage to Brock, but Carwin has better stand-up and more ways to finish the fight.
I also agree, i cant wait either!!=]
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
It'll be interesting to see
how Brock handles a strong punch to the face… not sure he’s aware those exist yet.
Haha yeah i was just talking about that to my friend, I think Brock’s punches are more like a big push, they dont really have the “snap” like Carwin’s.
And at least Carwin has been hit hard, and it didnt really phase him all that bad, with Brock its a unknown.
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
If You look back at Brock’s fights, Couture was able to use his wrestling very effectively against Brock before the TKO. Even Herring was abe to get back up at a couple of points if I remember correctly. Though I believe Brock is a better wrestler, I’m not positive he can control Carwin with it.
If Carwin manages to keep that fight standing, I think Brock is going to be in serious trouble.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
How can you think that their wrestling is about the same? Sure, they both have amature wrestling experience, but Brock has experience as a professional!
by jebmak on Mar 28, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If MMA has taught us anything it’s that wrestling credentials and who was the better collegiate wrestler doesn’t always mean a whole lot when your in the Octagon.
How many wrestlers that were better on paper have been beaten by someone with a less decorated collegiate background?
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
we’re not talking about all wrestlers, we’re talking about 2 very specific wrestlers. one of which still trains with real national champions, not Div II
Okay, i get your point. Brock wrestled in D-I 10 years ago and Carwin D-II 15 years ago, both were champions and both were amateurs at the time. HOWEVER, To be a professional you have to earn money at your trade and let’s be honest…collegiate sports are technically just extra-curricular activities for students (amateurs). You also fail to mention that Brock jumped off the top rope during WrestleMania and slammed Hulk Hogan twice…probably not gonna help him shake off a power punch to the chin though.
Why do the irish fight amongst themselves? NO OTHER WORTHY OPPONENTS...
by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The NFL and NFL Europe are the same sport, but would anyone make the mistake of comparing the champions of both leagues?
i guess when people have nothing else to say, they have to go the WWE route. I’m not sure how pro wrestling even applies to this conversation. we’re talking about wrestling here, not the stage show that is professional wrestling. Collegiate sports are supposed to be extra curricular, however, this particular extra curricular happens to be extremely important in the grand scheme of what these guys are paid to do.
“Collegiate sports are supposed to be extra curricular, however, this particular extra curricular happens to be extremely important in the grand scheme of what these guys are paid to do.”
You forgot one thing…you can’t punch, kick or knee in collegiate wrestling and that is where Carwin clearly holds the advantage. On top of that, Carwin is training with Greg Jackson now which should elevate his takedown defense and ability to follow a game plan.
Why do the irish fight amongst themselves? NO OTHER WORTHY OPPONENTS...
by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So?
That doesn’t mean jack when both men get in the octagon.
AS the old saying goes, the Cream always rises to the top while the crap floats to the bottom. Brock is and will remain the Former after this fight. Sorry, Shane but Division I kicks your azz everday of the week.
Can't wait
until Carwin puts his lunch-box fists into Brock’s chin and makes him go to sleep, so that you will disappear from posting from here on out…i mean, how else are you going to having anything meaningful to post after all these “BROCK IS GOD” comments and then he gets his ass whooped in July? Your world is going to crumble like Brock’s knees after he gets dirty-boxed into oblivion…
Why do the irish fight amongst themselves? NO OTHER WORTHY OPPONENTS...
by Brewtality55 on Mar 30, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrestling just about the SAME?
Dude….Can I have what you’re smoking?
Brock = DIVISION I
Carwin = DIVISION II
I is better(eons) than II. BROCK IS BETTER THAN CARWIN AT WRESTLING. Shane is better at ENGINEERING Than Brock.
The End.
Lesnar v Carwin
As good as Carwin looked tonight, I still think Lesnar is a level above. I just hope the odds for that fight are bettable. )
Lesnar will not stand with him I guarantee it. He doesn’t have the hubris Frank does.
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 28, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
If by "hubris", you mean "Stupidity" then Yes, he doesn't....
All you Carwin fans need to get a grip….
He’s not level above, but he’s much faster.
by dancingChicken on Mar 28, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar is faster, he’s bigger and I bet he has better cardio. I think that’s enough to be a whole level above.
The great thing is we get to see the fight. Can’t wait.
I suppose I could say that Carwin is stronger, better stand-up, and has better strategies, and I think that’s enough to make Carwin a whole level above. But we don’t really know how much bigger Brock is (they both cut to 265) and we really don’t know if Brock is that much faster than Shane, and you absolutely do not know whether or not Brock’s got better cardio. Until they fight the only real comparisons you can make is by how they handled another fighter, in this case it’s Mir, and if you put their performances up next to each other, it’s hard to put Brock another level above Carwin. He might be better (though there’s zero evidence to prove that) but a whole other level? Despite the fact that maybe I don’t know what that means, I think it’s jumping the gun.
If you're suggesting...
…that we compare the fact that Shane KO’ed Mir spectacularly while Brock systematically turned his face into Pizza, then I suggest you stop right there.
Just ‘cause one had a spectacular KO (and pleased the masses) doesn’t make the other fighter be on a lesser scale than the other.
Shane has shown me NOTHING thus far aside from the fact that he has Mike Tyson(in his prime) 1st-round power.
Terrible claims
Brock is bigger, yes. Not by much, but I think he’s got an inch or two on Shane in height and maybe a bit wider as well. Faster? Doubt it. (Unless of course you timed them doing sprints) Stronger? Not a chance. He bullies people, just like Brock, yet throws punches that could put a dent in a mountain. Better Cardio? That is laughable, because unlike Brock…CARWIN FINISHES EVERY FIGHT and hasn’t made it out of the first round so how can you say he has better cardio??? Brock hasn’t fought anyone like Carwin yet, so we’ll just have to wait and see what happens in July but I think this is about as even as you can get in an MMA match-up.
Why do the irish fight amongst themselves? NO OTHER WORTHY OPPONENTS...
by Brewtality55 on Mar 29, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...wait...wait..
Shane throws punches that can put a dent in a mountain? Overrate someone MUCH? Calm down!
And I suppose Mir would tell you that the fists he ate from Brock actually TICKLED, right?
Give me a break…
“That is laughable, because unlike Brock…CARWIN FINISHES EVERY FIGHT and hasn’t made it out of the first round so how can you say he has better cardio??? "
>>> That’s what we’re going to find out, Brew. We don’t know how his cardio really is. But you can bank on this : This fight will ***NOT*** END in the 1st round.
“Brock hasn’t fought anyone like Carwin yet, so we’ll just have to wait and see what happens in July but I think this is about as even as you can get in an MMA match-up.”
>>> Yep.
I noticed that when we went to OURRRRRRRR TALE OF THE TAPE it said that Carwin was 6’5" and Mir was 6’3" but then Shane was at least an inch shorter than Mir and looked damn near tiny next to Brock. Shane’s size is about as over-hyped as Frank’s stand-up
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 28, 2010 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I wonder why the UFC puts up such obvious lies. It’s embarrassingly transparent, and makes me question the rest of their claims.
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
Definitely.
I bet Shane Carwin can’t even eat at Burger King his hands are so small.
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 28, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd for GREATNESS !!!
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
All sports exagerate stats like that
If a player is listed at 6 feet in the NBA, he’s probably actually 5’10"
I want your ugly I want your disease I want your everything As long as it’s free I want your love Love-love-love I want your love I want your drama The touch of your hand I want you leather studded kiss in the scene And want your love Love-love-love I want your love You know that I want youAnd you know that I need youI want a bad,your bad romance I want your loving And I want your revenge You and me could write a bad romance I want your loving All your love is revenge You and me could write a bad romance
Its not that big of a deal. Every sports player, team, and organization buffs the physical stats like height and weight, from high school all the way up to the big leagues. Baseball, basketball, football, they all do it.
Yes, it;s just way more obvious when it’s 2 guys in a staredown standing right in front of each other and not wearing pads.
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 28, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone incompetent manages those stats.
by dancingChicken on Mar 28, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The size that matters is those mammoth fists of Carwin….Brock didn’t look to eager wth that lame interim belt rehash.
The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
What the hell are you talking about?
You’re not suggesting that Brock was…..intimidated…, were you? Brock was friggin’ smiling ‘cause he knew he’d get Carwin regardless…Mir is so overrated and so done, he smells like Burnt Toast.
And Brock laid it down for Shane : He’s got the fake belt, while he(Brock) has the Real one. come and get it, punk.
have you seen may baseball?
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 28, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
wheres big john when you need him at least herb dean damn theyll get him ref any time except for one of the to main events on this card shit this card was was suppost to be one of the best card the ufc put together to date figured theyd have one best refs in
by malito3og3 on Mar 28, 2010 1:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I really doubt a trilogy fight will take place without the belt on the line.
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 28, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If Brock loses to Carwin, there’s no reason those two still cannot have their rubber match. It will still do huge business. When you have a fued like theirs, people naturally will be drawn to it.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I agree with you totally. I just think the belt on the line adds so much more to it.
"My only hope is that the Big Lebowski kills me before the Germans cut my dick off."
by Earl Montclair on Mar 28, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s easily a hot enough feud to warrant a third episode – even without the belt on the line. Should Shane beat Brock, Mir-Lesnar III is a #1 contender match made in Heaven.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Mar 28, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
looks like we got a new hype-train for the Brock haters to hitch their wagon on.
Do you mind if we dance with your dates?
In Morey We Trust.
im not a brock hater
but i’ve been on the carwin hype train for a minute, and i still got him to beat brock. It’s gonna be a hell of a match! They better reinforce the octagon with titanium
Barely strong enough, maybe.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Mar 28, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Mir needs a little bit of time to adjust to his new strength. Where Carwin and Brock have been mammoths for decades, Mir is just starting to get used to his. He looked quite a bit bigger than Shane, it was surprising to see Mir get pinned and reversed so easily. It’s back to training clinch and wrestling for him, but I think he stays in the mix and keeps improving.
I’m just happy to see Carwin win; I would much rather see someone new fight Brock than Mir again. Maybe down the road again, fine if everyone wants it. But right now Brock needs to fight additional fighters and get some more wins under his belt. Not to mention getting his chin tested by a strong puncher. A win against someone like that would do more for him right now.
"A champion is someone who gets up when he can't." - Jack Dempsey
Massive props for Carwin. He beat Mir and did it in such a way that left no questions. Frank tried everything he could think of but came up short, no shame there.
However, there’s plenty of shame for the third man in the cage. First, Miragliotta separates the fighters not once but twice without any real reason. Carwin was pummeling Mir and being very active at it, thankyouverymush, still he had to pull them apart. Someone should point out to Dan that it’s not his job to make sure fights stay in the center of the cage.
However, that was small potatoes compared to the finish. Miragliotta absolutely failed in his task to protect the fighters. Mir was out on his feet the moment Carwin started landing those uppercuts against the fence. He was sort of fighting even after that – going for Carwin’s arm etc – but especially once Shane got him flat on the mat and started unloading, there was no defensible reason for Miragliotta to keep screaming “defend yourself”. Thank God he stopped the fight, but he did it at least ten punches too late.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Mar 28, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions
I hope we can put to rest...
The saying that Carwin and Lesnar of the same size…
Lesnar is drastically bigger than Carwin. They may weight the same, but Lesnar is at least 2-3 inches taller and has much more mass on his frame than Carwin..
It is an interesting fight because Carwin has the power to bomb away and put guys out. What everyone needs to see is that last nights fight with Mir doesn’t have any tell signs for that bout. Mir’s weakness is his wrestling and strength. The added size doesn’t equate to " functional strength."
Mir can’t take a good shot either, never has been able to. Not that Carwin doesn’t put guys out, but even in all his previous fights, if Mir gets tagged with a good one, he crumbles. You can’t fix that..
If we’re comparing Carwin to Lesnar, I’d give the standup to Carwin but I’d give the speed and strength to Lesnar. This is a fight that Carwin is going to have to “use” his cardio in. Lesnar won’t be controlled against the cage and let Carwin bomb on him.. Lesnar has the reach advantage and will use it keep Carwin away from range and then put him on his back.. Lesnar too has the ability to put Carwin down and out. Just because he hasn’t put someone to complete sleep yet, he has the size and power to do so, once he gets more comfortable standing and realizes his full potential on the feet.
I won’t be surprised to see Randy show up for part of Lesnars camp to help Lesnar train for this fight. Alos people have to know that Lesnars camp consists of current NCAA champions and all guys hover the 300+ lbs mark. Lensar is used to sieze and mass and you will see why one was a Div 1 national champion wrestler and why the other was a Jr. college champion.. There is a difference and it will show come fight time..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Sure Lesnar is a little bigger than Carwin, but you have to account for the fact that Lesnar had shoes a shirt and a sport jacket on, Carwin was barefoot and had no shirt on, it makes a difference when you look at the two standing next to each other.
Carwin was an NCAA Div. 2 wrestling champion (once) and a two-time runner-up, NOT a Jr. college champion. While I agree Lesnar will most likely have an advantage in wrestling, it will not be by a huge margin. Lesnar has only fought 1 person with better than mediocre wrestling, Couture, who he outweighed by 50lbs. In the fight with Couture, Lesnar had a great deal of difficulty taking him down and was even taken down himself.
Lesnar has never demonstrated he can utilize his reach to control distance and has never shown he can dominate in the clinch… and I don’t expect him to be able to do it against Carwin.
I don’t know why people care so much about the size of both Carwin and Lesnar. Carwin was in fighting shape, barefoot; Lesnar was not in fighting shape, dressed; it’s normal that there will be a difference. Not to mention that both guys have different built, Lesnar has skinny legs and big upper body, Carwin has massive legs and ass and so so upper body.
Even if there is a difference in strength between the two is not that big like between Lesnar and mir or Lesnar and Couture.
Also Carwin have said on his twitter that his reach is 83’, so I don’t know if Lesnar has the reach advantage…
by dancingChicken on Mar 28, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Shane Carwin
never looked so good.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
WTF? “Grotesque”? I hope you’re a woman or perhaps a man who “plays for the other team” ’cause that is one HOT PIECE OF BOOTY!!
I’d hit that A MILLION TIMES!!
by BNTHIS on Mar 30, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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